What if the reason you keep returning to the same sin cycles isn’t a willpower problem — but a belief problem?
Today we sit down with Savannah Carlson — speaker, content creator, and freedom coach from Minnesota — for a conversation that is honest, refreshing, and full of the kind of insight that makes you want to open your Bible and look at familiar verses with completely new eyes.
Savannah grew up in a ministry household, gave her life to the Lord at seven, and spent years quietly living a double life — youth group leadership on Sundays, patterns she couldn’t seem to break on the weekends. In part one, she shares what changed at 19 when two words in Hebrews 9 stopped her cold: dead works. And how understanding what righteousness actually means in the original Greek dismantled a belief system she’d been carrying for years without knowing it.
We talk about the two camps most Christians find themselves in — self-righteousness and guilt — and why both are really just different expressions of the same root problem: thinking your performance has something to do with your standing before God. Savannah also unpacks the difference between effort and earning, why behavior change without belief change is just a Band-Aid, and what repentance actually means in the original language.
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[00:00:00] Freedom is not just for my neighbor. Freedom is not just for the holy on the outside or just the elite or just the vocational ministers. It's actually for me. Welcome to the Everyday Faith Podcast, where we believe you can live out your faith every day by starting with belief, embracing your mission, committing to obedience, and pursuing community. I'm Dan.
[00:00:25] And I'm Jess. Today, Savannah Carlson joins us from Minnesota. She's a speaker, social media creator, and freedom coach. What? Passionate about helping people experience true freedom from sin as followers of Jesus. Like, that's the whole point, right? We're excited to hear more about her story and how what we believe shapes the way we actually live. Savannah, welcome to the podcast. Wow. Thank you guys so much. I'm so honored to be here.
[00:00:54] Oh, thank you for being here. Dan's fired up today, too. So, look out, everybody. Oh, my gosh. What's going to happen? For the first time, I feel qualified to be in this conversation because I'm so good at sinning. And so, it's going to be great to hear ways that we can avoid that. You have a good point. We've all got great experience in this realm of sin. Like, for the first time, I feel qualified. Freedom, though, that's what Savannah is. Oh, yeah. That's where she's here.
[00:01:21] Well, first off, we'd love to hear your story of how you came to know the Lord. Yeah. So, I'm Savannah Carlson. I have been following Jesus since I was seven years old. I gave my life to the Lord in my parents' bathroom. Both of my parents, I worked in full-time ministry my entire life. And so, it was kind of like a no-brainer. I have loved God, loved God so much since growing up in that household.
[00:01:48] But it wasn't probably until maybe 14, 15, ages 14, 15, 16, where I had to kind of be confronted with, man, am I going to follow the world? Or am I going to follow the Lord? And for me, what that looked like was actually deciding, hey, I think I can actually manage a double life. Like, I think I can be on youth group leadership on Wednesdays and Sundays.
[00:02:15] I think that I can sleep with boyfriends on the weekends, be drinking on the weekends. And so, that was super challenging. It was like, as many of us probably experience and realize, like, temptation, because it enters our minds, we feel like that's part of us. And we're like, oh, because I have this thought, I must obey it. Like, it must be me. And so, I found myself living this double life for a long time.
[00:02:40] But then when I was 17, entering my senior year of high school, I had a pretty tangible encounter with the Lord at a church camp. And I remember just being like, man, like, what am I doing? How do I get out of this? Like, how can I stop living this double life? And the only way that I knew how to get out of these habits was to double down harder on my behavior, on my performance.
[00:03:10] So, I decide, okay, so boys are not really working out for me right now. Like, I don't think I can even have a boyfriend. So, I'm going to be single indefinitely until the Lord's like, yep, this is the time to date. And, you know, that didn't really work out that well because my patterns of three years were overriding. Like, those patterns were agreeing with that desire and overriding my discipline, my ability to carry out what I had set my mind to.
[00:03:40] And I just remember returning to my senior year of high school and still just being in a lot of confusion. Like, I think that was a lot of my teenage years. Everyone was saying, yeah, like, let's not do these massive external outright sins. And let's try. Like, let's just, like, do our best and, like, try to do so. And that was almost the expectation that was communicated to me.
[00:04:07] But then when I looked around and looked to people that I admired, it was kind of, it was challenging. People just didn't necessarily seem enjoying to follow God. They felt pretty still bogged down by habitual sin when you would sit down and really talk to them. And I was just confused. I'm like, man, my Bible is saying, it seems like my Bible is saying something different. Yeah. And there's definitely weakness here. And there's something about, like, accepting your weakness for sure.
[00:04:37] But I, like, Jesus is saying that we should follow him a different way than what my life is showing right now. So fast track to being 19 years old. I'm a college student. And one summer I'm on, like, a week retreat for young adults. And randomly in one of the sessions of worship, I open up my Bible to Hebrews 9.
[00:05:02] And I don't, Hebrews is, like, one of those books where it's kind of, like, the average person doesn't really enjoy reading Hebrews because it's a lot of Jewish culture. And you're just kind of, like, confused. You're like, as an American. Yeah. You're like, what's going on? You have to do a lot of extra studies. It all feels a little weird. What am I reading? Yeah, totally. You're like, what are these animal sacrifices?
[00:05:21] And I think it was Hebrews 9, 13 and 14 where it's something like, if the ashes of a heifer in the blood of bulls and goats can cleanse your body, how much more shall the blood of Jesus cleanse you, cleanse your conscience, and remove your sins from you? It's something like that. But for sure the rest of the chapter talks about that. And I, oh, excuse me, cleanse your conscience from dead works specifically.
[00:05:50] And the two words dead works just provoked me. I just, like, looked. It felt like they jumped off the page. And I had this thought, which I attribute to being the Lord, as just this question that came in of, like, Savannah, do you realize, like, how much of your life you've been operating in dead works? And all of a sudden, and I think this is just one interpretation. I totally believe that Jewish people would probably have a different interpretation.
[00:06:17] But in the way that the Lord was teaching me in that moment, it was dead works are these actions that I do in order to earn favor from the Lord. And it's essentially pointing out that I was allowing my performance to either gain favor or remove favor from my life, to gain his acceptance or remove his acceptance from my life.
[00:06:41] And as we know, if you're preaching, if you've learned to preach the gospel, it's like Ephesians 2, 8, like, it's by grace through faith, not by work so that no one can boast. And we say that in order to get into the kingdom, but not to remain into the kingdom. Not many people think, man, it's by grace through faith to remain in the kingdom, to remain a son or daughter. All of a sudden, so I had just realized this belief system I'd been under of, man, getting into the kingdom is no problem.
[00:07:09] Like, Jesus, like, prodigal son and the loving father, like, he'll chase down the lost. But, like, it's my job to be able to stay here. It's my ability, my ability to make sure that I'm performing well, I'm putting on the right image. Like, if I can't not sin, I'm at least hiding this sin. Like, what's going on? Totally. Just a lot of my life was wrapped up in shame and concern about my image. And so, yeah, I read Hebrews 9.
[00:07:39] I just remember, like, a weight lifting off my shoulders. And I turned to one of the leaders that was there. And she was someone that whole week was just loving on me and sharing a lot of her own story. And she understood the gospel in this way. So she taught me, Savannah, like, 2 Corinthians 5.21 says that you are the righteousness of God in Christ. That he who became sin, he who knew no sin became sin so that we would become the righteousness of God in Christ.
[00:08:09] And I'm like, cool. I have been in the church my entire life. And I know righteousness is, like, the spiritual word. But, like, what does it actually mean? And I later learned that the word righteousness in the original language, which is Greek, it's dikaiosune. And a part of the definition is a state acceptable to God. So all my life I've been chasing after, how can I be accepted by God? Like, yeah, I know I'm in the kingdom. But I know I'm in his family.
[00:08:38] But, like, am I, like, am I a kid that's, like, enjoyed by God? Like, is he happy that I'm here? Sure. What's going on? It feels like my performance, because I've been failing so much, he just preferred to have a more efficient kid. Like, couldn't he just have a kid that, like, performs a lot better?
[00:08:55] But, man, no, he says that because of Jesus, the work that Jesus did on the cross, his perfect life, his perfect sacrifice, that means that his acceptedness was translated to me. As long as by grace through faith, I'm believing on his sacrifice. So it had nothing to do with my ability to perform that would gain better right standing. That's another way to say righteousness.
[00:09:20] So the next few years, I was still in college, finishing up my degree, did some short-term missions in there, and was just undoing a lot of belief systems surrounding my relationship with the Lord and diving into the word concerning the gospel and being so surprised by all this being in here. But no one, it's like, man, I really needed Holy Spirit to reveal things to me. Yeah. Right.
[00:09:50] It's just like, man, the entire book of Galatians, the majority of Romans, like Isaiah 53, like just things that there's such an exchange from the cross. And my entire life, I had dismissed it as elementary teaching. I'm like, give me the good, like meat and potatoes theology. But the reality is, is that God uses the simple things to shame the wise, or he gives grace to the humble and opposes the proud.
[00:10:18] And for me to say like, nah, man, like the cross is just like, I mean, I've, I've heard, I know Jesus loves me. Like I know he died for my sins. Just count whatever or not whatever, but you understand what I mean. Yeah. Moving on. Yes, totally. Yeah. Just dismissing it. And then realizing like Romans one talks about is Paul talking about like, I'm not ashamed of the gospel because it's the power to save.
[00:10:44] Like if I'm feeling like a weak Christian, if I want power, I return to understanding the cross. I'm saying, Lord, what is in the cross? What do I not yet understand about the cross that you've exchanged something for me in this area of weakness that I'm experiencing? And so, yeah, those three years, the rest of college was a lot of learning, learning about the gospel and applying it to my life and saying like, hey, this is actually, this is for me.
[00:11:14] These truths, they're not just freedom is not just for my neighbor. Freedom is not just for the holy on the outside or just the elite or just the vocational ministers. It's actually for me. Any cycle that I've experienced, like I'm God's love isn't just for my neighbor, just for the holy. It's actually for me. And so that's a lot of where my passion for helping other people with this.
[00:11:40] It comes from my own story so much because it's just I I just have ran into countless Christians that feel very tired of following Jesus because they feel like he's not he's hard to please. Yeah. They feel like he's hard. It's hard to fulfill his commands. Like it's difficult to follow his way, which is true. Like there's trials are promised. No problem.
[00:12:05] But my point is that there's always something in the gospel to that he's provided for us in order to endure trials. Yeah. Well, Savannah, I think about it both ways. I see I see kind of two groups of people that are in kind of sad spots where it's like what you were describing. Man, God, it's so hard to please. I can't possibly do all this. Right. I that's that's kind of a sad spot to be.
[00:12:33] It's also I see the people who are ignorant, who are just like, yeah, I mean, like I sin a little like I like dabble in, you know, sexual stuff or like I just like get drunk. Like just like once a month or, you know, only when I'm out with these people or, you know, I don't I don't physically I'm not aggressive physically toward anybody. I mean, like I get angry, but who doesn't? So I hate a couple of people. Yeah.
[00:13:01] Like I only cut out half of the people in my life at this point. So I'm only jealous of one neighbor. But I think we've got those two camps that that the ones who are ignorant and the ones. Well, I guess there's a different kind of ignorance. But, you know, I think there's two camps where it's like, oh, man, if we could figure out what that balance looks like and what you're talking.
[00:13:24] Maybe I don't know if we'll talk about in part one or part two, but like the law and and what that actually means and how it actually applies to our lives. Anyway, we would all be on a much better track if we could kind of figure out this balance and who God is in the midst of all of that and what freedom means in the midst of all of that. Right. And then just shout out to summer camps. Man, they do a lot of good stuff. Such good stuff. That's awesome.
[00:13:53] That's where I also accepted the Lord at 16. It's awesome. OK, Dan, what do you got cooking over there? Oh, I have so many questions for you. So starting with the basics, right? Yeah. Someone's hearing this. Well, thank you first off for sharing the story and being open and honest. It's absolutely amazing. And other people obviously can relate to that. And then everyone, you know, struggles with different things. And so, you know, I'm I'm a Christian. I've been a Christian for now. I don't even know.
[00:14:22] 15 years. So I don't sin no more. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I guess not something I struggle with. What would you say to someone? You know, we're just going to call them out a little, maybe a little prideful on this. You know, I'm good. I would say so. Jess kind of alluded to these two camps of I'm good. Yeah. Or I really need God, but I don't have hope. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. It feels impossible.
[00:14:51] So kind of what Jess alluded to talking about the law and what I'll say in short is like a main identifier of you relating to the Lord based on your own performance or your own ability to please him. If you think that your actions have anything to do with your right standing with him, you will either feel self-righteous or guilty every time. That's all. Isn't that wild? Yeah.
[00:15:20] Because the point, the point, again, I'm talking about your relation. I just want to be super clear, like, because I've been, I have felt confused about this. Like the actions of living a holy life are, um, that will come from the fruit of you believing everything I'm about to say. Does that make sense? So it's, it's like going to sound like I'm talking about like, wait, Savannah, do I do nothing then? Um, no, that's not true.
[00:15:44] Like a great Dallas Willard quote is the gospel is not opposed to effort, but it's opposed to earning. So I am talking about the camp of earning. I'm talking about, are you trying to earn more favor from God? Are you trying to earn more blessing from God? Are your failures having anything to do? So I just want to be super clear with that. Um, but yeah, so it's like, man, if I'm, because I think for me, I, in the, in the,
[00:16:11] uh, thick of sin cycles that were repeating, repeating, repeating over and over again on a weekly basis, maybe multiple times a week, I would swing from guilty to self-righteous. It's like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I did this. Is this even forgivable? Like I should know better by now. Like that's what guilt sounds like. I have something to, guilt really means that you still have a debt to be paid, which is so fun for me.
[00:16:38] I say that with a smile because obviously Christians profess my debt is paid. That's just kind of like a reality of like, man. So are you going to look to your own actions and say, that's the truth about you toward the Lord, or you can say, man, my debt is paid. I'm actually not going to experience punishment for this and that happened that, that mindset, that belief removes guilt off of your life in terms of self-righteousness. Self-righteousness comes from, man, my good works.
[00:17:07] Like my, like I, oh, oh my goodness. So what the reason the double life felt like it worked a little bit or in theory should have worked, but didn't was that I would sin, um, on the weekend, but then Sunday I'd like do a good work for God. Like, oh, like, oh, if I like push the line with my boyfriend, then maybe I'll pray a little bit more or maybe I'll lead worship or maybe I'll serve the poor. And then God's like, then we're chill again.
[00:17:35] Or maybe I'll wait a few days, put myself in time out from God, not talk to him and then we'll be okay again. Maybe his anger will subside once I wait a little bit. Yeah. You somehow paid for that in yourself. Exactly. Which what, who, who does it sound like should have paid for sins? Right. Jesus. Or is it Jesus? Because. Exactly. And it's, that's why I'm breaking these things down because when you're in the thick of it,
[00:18:04] it's very challenging to identify. It's so challenging to identify. So, um, that's why it's so helpful to have community that understands the gospel in this way and is willing to confront you saying, Hey bro, like you are living in self-righteousness. Like you are trying to earn your way back into right standing with God. Come on. And you just got to forgive yourself. Like you got to agree with the Lord's forgiveness toward you. And that's humbling.
[00:18:31] So if I'm in the self-righteous, let's all specifically run with the self-righteous, um, yeah. Example. If I'm saying, so let's say I sin and I'm trying to make up for it or I say, Hey, I'm good though. Like I, I, like I compare myself to other Christians and I'm looking pretty good. Like, you know, just, it's real. It's so real. Yeah. Like subconscious mind. Exactly. Totally.
[00:18:56] Um, and in that moment, so a tool I can give right now, even as yeah, I just love repentance. I'm so grateful for repentance. Repentance is not, um, repentance is not, it's an altar call at church and you put your face in the ground and feel super bad for the thing that you're turning from or giving to the Lord. Um, the repentance in the original language means metanoia and it literally just means to turn.
[00:19:24] So when I say repent, I'm saying I'm deciding to just walk a different way. I'm deciding to just change my mind about the circumstance. So specifically for me with self-righteousness, like I've been in moments like that where I find myself like comparing myself to others or, um, yeah, I just think that I'm like, man, I'm kind of thinking I'm hot stuff right now. Like that I deserve something better from God because I've done this, done this cool thing.
[00:19:50] And I just, well, I'll recognize it and I'll be like, Whoa, Lord, thank you that that mindset produces zero fruit in my life. Lord, thank you that if I continue to live this way, that means like I have to maintain, I have to maintain this lifestyle, but you've freely given me a lifestyle of your righteousness of everything that's good about you becoming good about me. You've empowered me for life and holy living.
[00:20:20] And my motive was always, is always supposed to be love. So Lord, would you show me like, I'm just deciding I'm not going to think that way anymore. Lord, what is a new belief you want me to start fostering in my mind? Um, and so you'll even notice I go after belief systems. So a lot in Romans 12 too, it says be transformed by the renewing of your mind. It's not be transformed by the renewing of your behavior.
[00:20:48] Don't be transformed, not be transformed by the renewing of your really good discipline, which is how a lot of people live their lives. Oh yeah. They're saying, Oh, like just like me when I was a teenager, Oh, I'm going to crack down more on myself. Like if I want transformation, I'm going to be single indefinitely. Like if I really want to get free from the sin, um, and that's just a bandaid. So if you are going at this, if you're struggling with habitual sin and you're going at this with, um, the idea of, let me alter my behavior.
[00:21:17] Let me put band-aids around this. Let me protect myself around this. It's not producing the transformation that you want. There's it's that behavior is actually a symptom of a belief system that's deeper. And we love the concept of like, what lies do you believe? And that's why we say start with belief, right? How do you live out your faith every day? Starting with belief and you have to do it daily. Yes. Because all of a sudden you get veered off. It is interesting of the whole repentance, right? And turning.
[00:21:47] And there's a lot of people that repent that aren't repenting. Right. I've done it many, many, many, many, many times in my life. Sure. Until the Lord showed me of like, you say you want to repent and yet you're still doing it. Well, you know, and so you're like, Oh yeah, I have to renew my mind and turn from it in order for me to actually be repenting. I can't just say words necessarily and everything's good, right?
[00:22:12] The renewing of my mind through my words, through my actions actually shows my repentance. Yes. And so it's really helpful of, Hey, if you want to repent, that is turning away from renewing your mindset, right? On whatever that, that issue is. And then I would love to continue to identify more with people in the sense of like, well, you know, I'm not looking at porn and I'm not getting drunk once a month or whatever it is.
[00:22:39] Well, then you're like, well, unforgiveness is also a sin. It's like that resentment you have is also called unforgiveness. Savannah, do you have any stories that you could share with us about kind of how unforgiveness has maybe crept into either your life or someone else's life, right?
[00:23:02] And how that dynamic can be shifted, how someone can go about identifying that, figuring it out. Well, and I love that. I just want to continue. I want to make sure that we get people understanding like where we're actually at. So what are some other sins that we don't like to call sins that we as Christ followers sometimes stumble into or distracted or manipulated into? And then how do we get out of that?
[00:23:30] Like the kind of hidden kind of secret, maybe. Yeah. The ones that aren't talked about, you know, oh, you didn't kill nobody. Cool. But you're, you still hate your neighbor. Right. Yeah. That's so good. Um, yeah. Some context I even give to my answer is the whole way that someone will experience freedom in their lives is getting their eyes off of themselves and their own track record and putting it onto Jesus's. So the whole point of the law.
[00:23:55] So let's think of, if you can remember, um, the sermon on the Mount with Jesus sharing about, hey, it's not good anymore that you just don't kill someone. But if you even have hate toward them, it's as if you're killing them or, hey, it's not even okay anymore that you don't have, you don't commit adultery with whoever, but even if you lust after someone. And if you remember the people's responses were something around something like, well,
[00:24:25] then who can be right with God? Who can live with this? Does that make sense? So Jesus came. I forget what specific letter it is, but Jesus came to, uh, enhance the law. He goes, I want to point out to you guys that you need a savior, that you, this guilt, this guilt stuff and the self-righteousness stuff, it can't, it can't live if you're going to follow Jesus because he wants to provide your right standing with God.
[00:24:55] He wants to provide you power to live a holy life that's set apart. And so the whole point isn't to always like be self-examining and being like, man, what is this? Is there any hidden sin in my life? Perfection is not the goal. The goal is for your eyes to be fixed on the Lord and to receive power from him and let his word be what's actually true about you and you to live from that truth.
[00:25:20] Um, so that's kind of, it's super challenging because, um, not like also in the church, but even in just American culture, like the self-improvement industry is so profitable. It's like, how can I make myself better? Which is not inherently bad. I, I love improving myself. I love working on myself. Um, but when the motive is tainted, when the motive, when the motive is anything but love,
[00:25:49] that is when it won't produce fruit or it'll be fruit that you have to maintain out of your own willpower. So I give all that context for, um, the point of why, what is the vision of actually helping address sin? The point of addressing sin is so that you can get out of it and just be focusing on the Lord and focusing on the Lord is going to be the way that you actually are able to see the power and grip of sin on your life be released.
[00:26:15] Just even a better, a better question to ask is, is there anything in my life that's creating death? Is there anything in my life that is anything less than what God wanted me to live in? Does that make sense? Like Christians are supposed to be full. We are full of potential for good work, but the average Christian would maybe say my, it feels like I have capability to be incredibly destructive, which like potentially is true.
[00:26:43] But you, if you're following the Lord, it's like, if you are enjoying the gospel, if you are enjoying being free from sin, if you're enjoying being clean before God, you will see that your potential for good works in life in the kingdom is awesome. As someone that I feel I got free last year and to feel the difference and to understand on
[00:27:08] a daily, if not hour by hour basis of the need I have for the Lord has helped in the side of pride and humility too. Yeah. Right. And understanding that I can easily become self-righteous. Yeah. Right. Like very easily. And all of a sudden it's like, it's fun asking God questions. Right. Or sometimes it's this praying and asking and asking, which is, which is good and great. And God loves that.
[00:27:34] And also it's fascinating for me as a son of the King to ask him questions. Come on. And the responses you get sometimes and what he shows you through his word sometimes is just fascinating. But I believe a lot of that doesn't come unless we understand and are self-aware of the need we have for Jesus because of how he enhanced the law. Yes. Right.
[00:27:58] And it's so cool that I want to work from overflow, not just from, well, I'm doing the right things. Why am I not getting the right results? Which is exactly what you're speaking to, right? Exactly. Yeah. So how can we be a son and daughter of the King? And from that, the effort, I love the effort versus earning. It's so awesome. How then can I give effort? Because I love and he loves. Because I'm forgiven and not the same person because I've turned, right? A different direction.
[00:28:28] So I just think that's so powerful. And I'd love in part two to talk more on the law and what Jesus has done. So if there's something as we finish up part one, one thing that you'd like to end with that you want to encourage people with, maybe something tactical in getting freedom, what is something you'd like to share? Yeah, come on. That's such a good question. So I specifically, if you, man, if you've been in like a habitual sin or just a pattern
[00:28:57] that has felt like it's been in your life for years and you felt numb to it, I think a practical reflection that you could do in between one and two is just take an account of like, where am I at? Like, how is this affecting my life? Especially, I think for me, like in high school, sleeping with different boyfriends, it's like I was numb to the death it was creating. I was searching for affection, but I was fine tolerating this.
[00:29:26] And there's a reality of the Lord, yeah, gives grace to the humble and opposes the proud. He blesses, blessed are the poor in spirit. If you're saying, I need you, Lord, Lord, I can't do this alone. Like, I've been numb to this. Like, I've been really numb to this. Lord, would you help me? Just kind of take an account, ask questions like, how is this actually affecting my life? What do I think is the root cause of this?
[00:29:54] Do I turn to the sin when I'm stressed, when I feel lonely, when I feel like a failure? And what time of day is this happening? Just kind of really practical things that feel kind of like, man, maybe I've never asked these questions before. And you'll be surprised how empowered you are to make rational choices around how to set yourself up for success in these areas.
[00:30:20] And yeah, just letting the Lord, I love to journal, journal these things out. And then once you feel like you've gotten to a place where you've processed a lot of this pattern that you're walking through, just sit and say, Lord, would you talk to me about what you think about me? Even though this has gone on for years, what do you think about me? Are you mad at me? Do I have to make up for this? What was I actually made for?
[00:30:49] And if you can't allow thoughts to come into your mind, and if they agree with the word and the character of God, which is love, you just journal those down, write that down in faith that it is the Lord. And you'll be surprised on what he says. He is so kind to us in sin. He's so kind when we disqualify ourselves, when we say, surely I'm too far gone. Which if you're believing that as a Christian, I have good news that you're living as an orphan
[00:31:19] in the father's house, and he only likes children in his house. He has an agenda to make you a child in his house. He won't have orphans living in the father's house in his family. So that's a practical thing. Savannah, thank you so much. This has been so helpful. I'm very pumped for part two as we continue the conversation. Yeah, come on. Thank you for listening to this conversation from the Everyday Faith Podcast. Our goal is to inspire everyday faith conversations.
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