Networking & Lighting with Anthony Stofflet

[00:00:00] This is The Tech Arts Podcast where we talk about tech, leadership and all things that concern church audio, video and lighting

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[00:00:21] My name is DL so glad to have you joining us today

[00:00:24] Today's episode is sponsored by Luminex and AC Lighting

[00:00:28] Through this sponsorship they provided us with a special guest

[00:00:31] His name is Anthony Stoplet and he will be talking to us about networking and lighting

[00:00:37] The networking discussion is one you don't want to miss

[00:00:40] We get into how you should set up your network and why using the Luminex products makes it so easy

[00:00:47] On the lighting side Anthony has some amazing insights on haze

[00:00:51] Using databases to help your lighting techs, how to set up your console and how to bring organization to chaos

[00:00:58] I want to hear that one

[00:01:00] For everyone who does lighting this podcast is one you have to hear

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[00:01:39] Speaking of luminode

[00:01:41] Today's tech tip is the luminode

[00:01:43] Helping us understand this cool device is Anthony Stoplet from AC Lighting

[00:01:47] Hey Anthony

[00:01:49] Hey David how you doing today

[00:01:51] I'm doing alright, I'm going to see if I can make it through this podcast and say luminode

[00:01:55] I definitely don't want to say that 15 times fast

[00:01:58] Luminode, luminode, luminode

[00:02:00] Tell us what the luminode is, what is that?

[00:02:03] Yeah so the luminode is a part of the Luminodex brand and what it is

[00:02:07] It's our Ethernet to DMX converter brand if you will

[00:02:10] So it's a whole line of products from one port all the way up to 12 ports

[00:02:14] And one of the really cool things about the luminode is

[00:02:17] The way that it kind of processes stuff

[00:02:20] That's what makes it really different

[00:02:21] So instead of everything being port based processing which we're kind of used to

[00:02:26] You know normally like port one does port one kind of a thing

[00:02:29] Luminodes have taken that processing and we've created what's called a process engine

[00:02:33] So you always have more processing power than what you actually can actually

[00:02:37] Output out of the note which is actually kind of cool

[00:02:40] Well what makes it so popular man?

[00:02:42] So what makes it popular is actually those process engines more than anything

[00:02:45] So it's that realm of this process engine is kind of like this little

[00:02:49] Leatherman that you've got inside of a node of if you need to merge information

[00:02:54] If you need to convert it from one source to another

[00:02:58] If you need to go for a port of an input or an output

[00:03:01] It's kind of just like the world as your oyster

[00:03:04] So it's just this nice little thing to kind of have in your pocket

[00:03:07] And that's why everybody loves them it's because of the processing

[00:03:10] So it sounds to me like as I'm the dumb audio guy right here

[00:03:13] It sounds like it's basically converts your

[00:03:19] Lighting system so like you have a lighting console

[00:03:22] So it's like a real easy way to get to get the DMX to what you need to get it to

[00:03:26] Am I explaining that right?

[00:03:28] Yeah, no you're doing good as an audio person

[00:03:30] It's kind of just like and then even if you get into scenarios

[00:03:33] Like you know sometimes we've got two audio consoles

[00:03:35] Right you know you've got a monitors in the front of house

[00:03:37] And they love like you know gain sharing between things

[00:03:39] Even inside of Luminodes we can do a little bit of that

[00:03:43] But we can do it on a different level

[00:03:45] So we can say that Luminodes has priority over the other

[00:03:47] An individual channel basis you know so we can say that it's latest

[00:03:49] Text precedence or it's highest text precedence

[00:03:52] And so especially inside of lighting world when we have to look at integrated systems

[00:03:56] Like we see a lot for churches

[00:03:58] It definitely does help with a lot of that stuff

[00:04:01] I'm a church

[00:04:03] I don't really deal with networking or Luminodes and all this stuff

[00:04:07] Like give me an example how this would help me

[00:04:09] Why do I need to go out and buy this product?

[00:04:11] So the Luminodes kind of take what the industry would normally take

[00:04:16] Is like three or four different products and kind of combine them all into one

[00:04:20] So really what it does is just makes it to where there's one place to go to manage everything

[00:04:25] That is your lighting data on your network

[00:04:27] So rather than having to go to this unit and go to this unit

[00:04:30] And having this unit triggered by this kind of a thing

[00:04:33] It's you know it kind of just helps bring everything a little bit more into unity

[00:04:37] And make it just a lot easier to understand and manage

[00:04:39] So instead of having two or three things to kind of pay attention to

[00:04:43] I just have one device plug it in

[00:04:45] Convert it make it work

[00:04:47] That's what it does

[00:04:49] Plain and simple

[00:04:51] Almost sounds too simple

[00:04:53] I get that a lot with the Luminux brain as a whole

[00:04:56] Not even on the Luminode side but also with the giga core side for switches

[00:04:59] But I mean Luminux really is

[00:05:01] From my belief of course on the brand manager

[00:05:04] But from my belief really is the you know the networking made simple

[00:05:07] The nodes made simple

[00:05:09] But this is kind of where it comes from

[00:05:11] Tell me a little bit more about Luminux

[00:05:13] What makes you a brand leader

[00:05:15] You mentioned some other things that you guys sell

[00:05:18] Tell us a little bit more about the Luminux brand

[00:05:21] And how you represent Luminux

[00:05:23] Yeah so I'm a part of AC Americas

[00:05:25] So which is the parent company of both AC Lighting and AC Pro Media

[00:05:28] So AC Lighting of course is very

[00:05:30] Lighting driven for everything

[00:05:32] And then we also have AC Pro Media

[00:05:34] Which is very audio and video based

[00:05:36] You know kind of a more of that

[00:05:37] Arc attainment kind of side of the industry

[00:05:40] So I was brought in for the AC Americas

[00:05:43] To kind of help with a little bit of everything

[00:05:45] So I'm the brand manager pretty much

[00:05:48] What I like to say is I get paid to be a nerd

[00:05:50] I get to be the one that gets called

[00:05:53] I'm just like hey I'm trying to do this really crazy thing

[00:05:55] Can you help

[00:05:57] And then everybody knows they can kind of get a hold of me

[00:05:59] For that switch which is really fun

[00:06:01] But Luminux as a brand is honestly

[00:06:03] A fantastic brand using them even before

[00:06:05] I had this job

[00:06:07] Which was

[00:06:09] Which is honestly pretty kind of funny

[00:06:11] It's a funny story how a lot came around as well

[00:06:13] But Luminux has a full line of network switches

[00:06:16] To kind of go along with anything

[00:06:18] Whether you need some like rugged switches

[00:06:20] That need to go up inside of your trusses

[00:06:22] Or on your pipes

[00:06:24] Or you need something to go inside of an installed rack

[00:06:26] You know for your CMRs

[00:06:28] Your interconnect rooms or something like that

[00:06:30] We kind of have both of those

[00:06:32] Then we get into the Luminode line

[00:06:34] And so we kind of have a node for every scenario

[00:06:35] Whether that's you know rack mount nodes

[00:06:37] Or even DIN mount nodes

[00:06:39] And then we also have a full line of opti splitters as well

[00:06:42] So if you just need to duplicate DMX data

[00:06:44] It makes it really easy to do

[00:06:46] And a lot of this is kind of what makes Luminux

[00:06:49] The industry leader at this point

[00:06:51] Is there's not really a lot of people

[00:06:53] That are doing what Luminux does

[00:06:55] Across the broad spectrum

[00:06:57] Of the AVL market at this point in time

[00:06:59] We do see

[00:07:01] You know we save a lot of brands

[00:07:03] You know that are very hey I'm a lighting brand

[00:07:05] But to have somebody that kind of is full spectrum

[00:07:08] When it comes across to it is definitely the difference

[00:07:10] I'm assuming based on everything you just told me

[00:07:12] That the switches are very AV friendly

[00:07:15] Oh yeah, so the whole switches

[00:07:17] And the way Luminux as a brand even started

[00:07:20] Was people having issues with network switches

[00:07:23] And having problems with ethernet converters

[00:07:25] And they got together in Belgium

[00:07:27] And said let's make the thing

[00:07:29] Let's make it different

[00:07:31] And so Luminux has continued that

[00:07:33] To kind of go forth

[00:07:35] On the audio side of things

[00:07:37] Luminux is one of the very founding fathers

[00:07:40] Of some of the ABB stuff that has happened

[00:07:42] We're seeing Luminux's involvement

[00:07:44] And several other protocols

[00:07:46] And actually helping with some of the standards

[00:07:48] That get created along those lines

[00:07:50] And so Luminux does validate

[00:07:52] And they really are purpose built

[00:07:54] For what we do as the entertainment industry

[00:07:56] So how do we buy the product

[00:07:58] How do we get our hands on Luminux

[00:08:00] So best way out of the bat

[00:08:02] If you just want to know

[00:08:04] Is to actually just send an email to info at ACLighting.com

[00:08:05] Or just to ask your local dealer

[00:08:07] Most of your integrators

[00:08:09] Will probably have access to Luminux

[00:08:11] As a part of their repertoire

[00:08:13] So it's asking one of your local dealers

[00:08:15] Or if you don't have a local dealer

[00:08:17] Send us an email

[00:08:19] We're happy to help you guys in touch with each other

[00:08:21] So if you're interested in this product

[00:08:23] Or just need help with your networking

[00:08:25] Or lighting systems

[00:08:27] Please reach out to ACLighting

[00:08:29] You can send them an email

[00:08:31] At info at aclighting.com

[00:08:33] Or you can go to the website

[00:08:35] It's aclighting.com

[00:08:39] Anthony I know you have a lot of experience

[00:08:41] In networking and lighting

[00:08:43] Luminux is a part of the overall

[00:08:45] AC lighting company

[00:08:47] And a lot of our listeners

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[00:08:51] Would you mind staying through the break

[00:08:53] And talking to us a little bit more

[00:08:55] About networking, the Luminux stuff

[00:08:57] And lighting

[00:08:59] Coming up right after these messages

[00:09:01] We'll jump into a discussion on networking

[00:09:03] Why it's important and where to start

[00:09:05] Talk about lighting consoles

[00:09:07] Why Vista

[00:09:09] And the best way to set up your lighting console

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[00:10:21] Welcome back to the Tech Arts Podcast

[00:10:23] Today we're going to be talking about

[00:10:25] Lighting, Networking, Lighting consoles

[00:10:27] And generally all of that stuff

[00:10:29] That me as an audio guy

[00:10:31] I just don't understand

[00:10:33] Joining us today for that discussion

[00:10:35] Is Anthony from AC Lighting

[00:10:37] Hey Anthony

[00:10:38] What are you doing today?

[00:10:40] Man it's good to have you back

[00:10:42] I'd like to ask you a few questions about

[00:10:44] Lighting but before I get into that

[00:10:46] And we talk Lighting and Networking

[00:10:48] And all that stuff

[00:10:50] Tell our audience a little bit about yourself

[00:10:52] And your experience in Lighting

[00:10:54] Yeah so I kind of came up at this

[00:10:56] Like really fun time in the industry

[00:10:58] So I got to kind of like grow

[00:11:00] As our industry was growing

[00:11:02] So I started out with Lighting

[00:11:04] With you know that basic two-scene preset

[00:11:06] With like a single universe

[00:11:08] And then growing up from there

[00:11:10] Started getting into bigger and bigger shows

[00:11:12] And then eventually got my first job

[00:11:14] At a local church

[00:11:16] Was there for about two or three years

[00:11:18] And then moved on to

[00:11:20] Actually my previous home church

[00:11:22] Before that one

[00:11:24] And was there for ten years

[00:11:26] While I was with that church

[00:11:28] I was freelance contracting in

[00:11:30] For you know corporate shows

[00:11:32] Festivals, touring

[00:11:34] A lot of design work

[00:11:36] Some consulting work

[00:11:38] And all the freelancing stuff

[00:11:40] It wasn't until about a year and a half ago

[00:11:42] That I jumped on board with AC

[00:11:44] To be the Lumen X brain manager

[00:11:46] And from there the rest is history

[00:11:48] So you have a ton of church experience

[00:11:50] Yeah churches were my nine to five

[00:11:52] I really loved working inside of a church

[00:11:54] The thing I used to tell everybody

[00:11:56] Is you know there's no greater

[00:11:58] You know feeling inside of the world

[00:12:00] Than be able to use the gifts

[00:12:02] The time and the talents that he's

[00:12:04] Blessed me with

[00:12:06] And be able to give that back to the church

[00:12:08] And be able to tell people about

[00:12:10] Even this job as the brain manager

[00:12:12] With Lumen X and AC is

[00:12:14] I mean I get to talk to so many churches

[00:12:16] And I get to help so many people

[00:12:18] And honestly it's a really good feeling

[00:12:20] You just said church was my nine to five

[00:12:22] Job

[00:12:24] So a lot of people out there

[00:12:26] Who listened just went

[00:12:28] He worked for a church

[00:12:30] Where he only had to work nine to five

[00:12:32] I wish

[00:12:34] I think he meant nine to midnight

[00:12:35] And then four a.m. to nine p.m.

[00:12:38] And then Saturday from 12 noon to midnight

[00:12:42] Something around those lines

[00:12:44] I mean we all had those rehearsals

[00:12:46] Especially going into Christmas and

[00:12:48] Easter's where you know 1130 comes

[00:12:50] Around and you're just like

[00:12:52] We still have like five songs to go

[00:12:54] Yeah this is gonna be a long night

[00:12:56] A long night

[00:12:58] Well tell our listeners

[00:13:00] Why they should take a look at AC

[00:13:02] Lighting

[00:13:03] So AC lighting was honestly one of the

[00:13:06] Companies that I found when I was inside

[00:13:08] Of the church world and a lot of it

[00:13:10] Came down to just the relational

[00:13:12] Aspect behind AC and how they operate

[00:13:14] As a company

[00:13:16] They don't like to hide things

[00:13:18] They're very upfront about everything

[00:13:20] And they really just turn into this

[00:13:22] Amazing partner to kind of help you

[00:13:24] Through a lot of stuff

[00:13:26] One of the other reasons why AC

[00:13:28] Lighting is simply just because of

[00:13:30] The range of brands that we kind

[00:13:31] Of have lighting fixtures to wireless

[00:13:33] DMX and then of course all the way

[00:13:35] Over into the network side with

[00:13:37] Luminex we kind of have everything

[00:13:39] To fit the installs

[00:13:41] And so when I was doing a couple

[00:13:43] Of installs that was actually a

[00:13:45] Very key determining factor

[00:13:47] I could get house lights from them

[00:13:49] I could get control from them

[00:13:51] I could do all my moving light

[00:13:53] Packages from them and then I

[00:13:55] Could have the backbone of Luminex

[00:13:57] As well to kind of go with the

[00:13:59] System and so I knew if I ever

[00:14:01] Had to talk a little bit about the

[00:14:03] Networking side of things we're

[00:14:05] Going to get into lighting a little

[00:14:07] Bit later but why is networking so

[00:14:09] Important for someone to focus on

[00:14:11] You know a lot of people are just

[00:14:13] Like I just want to throw anything

[00:14:15] In there any setup but help them

[00:14:17] Understand why networking is important

[00:14:19] And why we should focus on it

[00:14:21] Yeah so networking has really been

[00:14:23] This emerging thing that we've all

[00:14:25] Kind of known right so like Dante

[00:14:27] Inside of the audio world was kind

[00:14:29] Of like the first premiere

[00:14:31] Of everything lighting has been

[00:14:33] Doing it for a little bit longer

[00:14:35] When it comes to artnet and streaming

[00:14:37] ACN and then we're seeing the

[00:14:39] Adaption you know especially in

[00:14:41] The past two or three years of NDI

[00:14:43] Inside of you know especially inside

[00:14:45] Of churches when it comes to using

[00:14:47] Pro presenter using it with

[00:14:49] Resolume or trying to distribute

[00:14:51] Video signals across campuses

[00:14:53] And so network really is just this

[00:14:55] Thing that's turning into the

[00:14:57] Backbone of every install and

[00:14:59] Of every tour in every show at

[00:15:01] The moment that we've gotten to this

[00:15:03] Place where it doesn't really matter

[00:15:05] What protocol you want to use or

[00:15:07] What you're trying to transfer from

[00:15:09] One place to another networking's

[00:15:11] Kind of just been the generic answer

[00:15:13] Even on some installs you know

[00:15:15] We're just seeing people that are

[00:15:17] Installing fiber and cat 6a shielded

[00:15:19] And that's all they're installing

[00:15:21] Because once you have that installed

[00:15:23] You're pretty much good for

[00:15:25] Anything and so that's kind of

[00:15:27] This thing with networking you know

[00:15:29] It's just turning into this

[00:15:31] In the same term like everything's

[00:15:33] Going to just this cat 6 cable

[00:15:35] Just this network cable

[00:15:37] Hey I want to move my audio from

[00:15:39] Console to console you know I was

[00:15:41] With a church the other day we were

[00:15:43] Setting up you know an Allen and

[00:15:45] Heath setup by the way we're

[00:15:47] Sponsored by digico but we

[00:15:49] Happen to be setting up an Allen

[00:15:51] And he set up and it was just

[00:15:53] A network cable that you know

[00:15:55] Connected the console to the racks

[00:15:57] NDI as you were talking about

[00:15:59] You know being able to move

[00:16:01] For a long time and I think one

[00:16:03] Of the things that I always saw

[00:16:05] With lighting that I actually had

[00:16:07] A problem with is it crashing

[00:16:09] Or losing connections and things

[00:16:11] Of that nature and so what makes

[00:16:14] Me nervous about the network side

[00:16:16] Of things is man everything going

[00:16:18] To network everything going to

[00:16:20] This cat 6 cable am I going to

[00:16:22] Have a lot of issues with crashes

[00:16:24] And problems and so what I tell

[00:16:26] People is you will if you

[00:16:27] Hodgepodge the system and you

[00:16:29] Don't invest something into your

[00:16:31] Network so talk a little bit

[00:16:33] About that investing something in

[00:16:35] Your network why the Luminex is

[00:16:37] More stable than maybe the other

[00:16:39] Brands and how it can help people

[00:16:41] Yeah so you're hitting a lot of

[00:16:43] The really good points of why

[00:16:45] People actually turn to Luminex

[00:16:47] Which is stability so Luminex

[00:16:49] As a whole the biggest secret

[00:16:51] Behind the sauce is validation

[00:16:53] Right and so Luminex is a

[00:16:54] Time to put all of these protocols

[00:16:56] Together and intermingle them

[00:16:58] Pretty much it's that thing

[00:17:00] Of like try to break it you know

[00:17:02] Because much rather than try to

[00:17:04] Break it inside of R&D inside

[00:17:06] Of testing rather than us out in

[00:17:08] The field right and then part

[00:17:10] Of that comes along with just

[00:17:12] The support basis that you get

[00:17:14] When you talk to Luminex

[00:17:16] And when you talk to me

[00:17:18] Sometimes it's all the stuff

[00:17:20] Has just been worked out ahead

[00:17:22] Of time it's a really good

[00:17:24] It's a very if you don't know

[00:17:27] Networking it just kind of works

[00:17:29] It's a little bit of like black

[00:17:31] Magic kind of stuff but factory

[00:17:33] Configurations behind Luminex

[00:17:35] Allows you to do you know Dante

[00:17:37] AES67 streaming ACN NDI

[00:17:40] And without any configuration

[00:17:42] For the switch so I've had

[00:17:44] Customers that have taken it

[00:17:46] Out of the box and threw

[00:17:48] Inside of their rack and went

[00:17:50] And done their install without

[00:17:52] Even configuring the switch in

[00:17:54] Brands. A little bit you know

[00:17:57] So what it really comes down to

[00:17:59] Is just the stability behind it

[00:18:01] A little bit more so it's the

[00:18:03] Validation and it's the stability

[00:18:05] So of course there's a lot of

[00:18:07] Different switches that can use

[00:18:09] Dante there's a lot of different

[00:18:11] Switches that can do NDI

[00:18:13] What it really just comes down

[00:18:15] To is the robustness of that

[00:18:17] Switch for the longevity that

[00:18:19] It's going to work. The other

[00:18:21] Thing too that really kind of

[00:18:22] Has a lot of different profiles

[00:18:24] Of like oh hey I'm going to do

[00:18:26] Dante so I need to activate this

[00:18:28] Profile it's that's just not a

[00:18:30] Thing inside of Luminex World

[00:18:32] It just it just works it's

[00:18:34] Just configured it just works

[00:18:36] Plug it in let it rock and roll

[00:18:38] So you know I bought the gear

[00:18:40] Well let's say I haven't bought

[00:18:42] The gear yet how should I set

[00:18:44] It up like what is the proper

[00:18:46] Way to set this up you know

[00:18:48] Talk to somebody out there

[00:18:50] That's from a small church

[00:18:52] That's a big thing to do

[00:18:54] And I think that's a big thing

[00:18:56] That's a big thing to do

[00:18:58] And I think that's a big thing

[00:19:00] That's a big thing to do

[00:19:02] And it's a big thing to do

[00:19:04] And I think that's a big thing

[00:19:06] To do is that aren't going to

[00:19:08] Fail on us that we don't

[00:19:10] Get from Best Buy nothing

[00:19:12] Against Best Buy but we

[00:19:14] Use a switch that is more

[00:19:16] Solid more robust more

[00:19:18] Stable to use your word

[00:19:20] How should they you know

[00:19:22] Get the system separate from

[00:19:24] You know the church Wi-Fi

[00:19:26] Or you know do you need internet

[00:19:28] Sources and kind of where do they

[00:19:30] Go a lot of the switches in the

[00:19:32] Way networks kind of generally

[00:19:34] Get set up is just kind of

[00:19:36] You know you have a switch in

[00:19:38] Your booth you have a switch in

[00:19:40] Your stage plug your stuff into

[00:19:42] The switch on one side plug

[00:19:44] It's stuff on the other side

[00:19:46] And they kind of just start

[00:19:48] Connecting it's it's gets a

[00:19:50] Little bit funky of course

[00:19:52] From university sometimes

[00:19:54] You know you mentioned that

[00:19:56] You're super stable there's not

[00:19:58] A lot of setup what about redundancy

[00:20:00] Like how do you guys handle

[00:20:02] Redundancy is that something

[00:20:04] That Luminex is big on or is it

[00:20:06] You know hey it just works

[00:20:08] Yeah so we've actually got the

[00:20:10] Best in class when it comes to

[00:20:12] Redundancy so if we're doing

[00:20:14] What's called a ring topology

[00:20:16] Right so you're coming from

[00:20:18] Your switch to another one to

[00:20:20] Another one you're pretty much

[00:20:22] 40 milliseconds of max fall over

[00:20:24] Time 40 milliseconds of course

[00:20:26] Is really hard to understand

[00:20:28] And so the thing I always like to

[00:20:30] Say is it's a sneeze of audio

[00:20:32] It's a couple of frames of video

[00:20:34] And with lighting you just cannot

[00:20:36] Tell and then when it goes even

[00:20:38] Farther into redundancy even on

[00:20:40] The node side of things we can

[00:20:42] Actually do DMX redundancy as

[00:20:44] Well so if cable gets unplugged

[00:20:46] Or it gets run over by a chair

[00:20:48] Card that stops working we can

[00:20:50] Actually do a 50 millisecond

[00:20:52] Says it's essentially two to three

[00:20:55] Frames really really fast

[00:20:57] You it's the difference between

[00:21:00] Maybe the lips being in sync

[00:21:02] And just barely out of sync

[00:21:04] It's really really quick

[00:21:06] I'm actually surprised that you

[00:21:08] Guys can fail over that quickly

[00:21:10] Is that standard in the industry

[00:21:12] Or is that something that Luminex

[00:21:14] Brings to the game

[00:21:16] It is something that Luminex

[00:21:18] Brings to the game and it's

[00:21:20] What a lot of people are a

[00:21:22] Bit of a risk to really go to

[00:21:24] The extreme margins for some of this

[00:21:26] Our 40 milliseconds is best in class

[00:21:29] But that time inside of like

[00:21:32] Enterprise like IT world if you will

[00:21:35] That can be an upwards of 252 seconds

[00:21:38] Of time so there really is a

[00:21:41] Wide variety here and it kind of

[00:21:43] Continues to speak to the fact

[00:21:45] That you know like Luminex is made

[00:21:47] For the AV industry yeah so I'm

[00:21:49] Going to hit you with a curveball

[00:21:50] Because I'm really starting to

[00:21:52] Get a little interested in this

[00:21:54] But I got an audio system

[00:21:56] I got a video system and I got a

[00:21:58] Lighting system how would you

[00:22:00] Recommend setting that up on my

[00:22:02] Network do I keep them separate

[00:22:04] Do I run them all on the

[00:22:06] Luminex switch altogether

[00:22:08] And you know I don't know use

[00:22:10] VPNs or I'm going to spit

[00:22:12] Out a bunch of stuff I don't

[00:22:14] Understand like do I use a

[00:22:16] VPN to separate it or how

[00:22:18] How would you set up your

[00:22:20] Audio system does your audio

[00:22:22] System need to talk to your video

[00:22:24] System or do any of those need to

[00:22:26] Talk to each other yeah let's say

[00:22:28] They're all they all need to talk

[00:22:30] To each other so I would set them

[00:22:32] Up on a flat network or what's

[00:22:34] Called a converged network so this

[00:22:36] Is where you know the Luminex

[00:22:38] Base configuration is a converged

[00:22:40] Network so we can have the audio

[00:22:42] Protocols the lighting protocols

[00:22:44] And the video protocols all existing

[00:22:46] On that same that same group

[00:22:48] Or that same VLAN that

[00:22:50] Works now the other side of it is

[00:22:52] Like lighting in there doesn't

[00:22:54] Necessarily sometimes you just talk

[00:22:56] To video or talk to audio especially

[00:22:58] Talking to audio lighting a video

[00:23:00] Just like lighting and audio do not

[00:23:02] Want to talk so I can take

[00:23:04] Lighting and throw it on its own

[00:23:06] VLAN for organization sake at

[00:23:08] That point so it's kind of looking

[00:23:10] Like groups in VLANs a little

[00:23:12] Bit like organization folders

[00:23:14] Remember when we were all in

[00:23:16] School you know math was green

[00:23:18] Right we all agree math was

[00:23:20] The Luminex world you know

[00:23:22] Lighting can be green audio

[00:23:24] Can be red video can be blue

[00:23:26] And we can kind of separate them

[00:23:28] Out into their own folders and

[00:23:30] When they do need to talk it's

[00:23:32] Put them on the same network and

[00:23:34] Kind of let them go that sounds

[00:23:36] Very easy is it that easy it

[00:23:38] Is that easy actually surprisingly

[00:23:40] It is that easy oh my gosh

[00:23:42] It's really easy for me because

[00:23:44] When I was a technical director

[00:23:47] I would say somebody go take care

[00:23:49] Of the network so we actually

[00:23:51] Are simple you know we don't

[00:23:53] Like to talk in terms of syntax

[00:23:55] Or coding or you know having to

[00:23:57] You know get into command line

[00:23:59] On stuff because it just gets

[00:24:01] Complicated Luminex believes

[00:24:03] More inside of really nicely

[00:24:05] Developed GUIs are kind of

[00:24:07] What they're called you know so

[00:24:09] It's the web pages it's you

[00:24:11] Know the software that we use

[00:24:13] Called R and AO which is free

[00:24:15] By the way you can go and

[00:24:17] Download it right now and play

[00:24:19] Around with it that kind of

[00:24:21] Just hit one thing and it

[00:24:23] Configures all the switches

[00:24:25] Together rather than having to go

[00:24:27] From device to device to device

[00:24:29] Networking made simple

[00:24:31] Wow that sounds cool it sounds

[00:24:33] Like the right brand if you're a

[00:24:35] Church and you just want to keep

[00:24:37] It really really simple and make

[00:24:39] Sure it works and make sure you

[00:24:41] Understand how it's set up so

[00:24:43] That things can talk to each other

[00:24:45] And future expandability I think

[00:24:47] Luminex is the right brand for

[00:24:49] That but even if you're using

[00:24:51] It's a little bit more about

[00:24:53] Lighting starting off with the

[00:24:55] Discussion on the Vista

[00:24:57] Lighting console a lot of our

[00:24:59] Listeners use this console and

[00:25:01] I know you have a lot to say

[00:25:03] About it I know you have a lot

[00:25:05] Of experience on it but before we

[00:25:07] Get into that chat we need to

[00:25:09] Take a break and hear from our

[00:25:11] Sponsors so stay tuned everyone

[00:25:13] We'll be right back

[00:25:20] Welcome back everyone Anthony

[00:25:22] Let's jump into lighting

[00:25:23] And we'll be back with another

[00:25:26] Video of the Vista

[00:25:29] So let's get started with the

[00:25:31] Vista and talk about the

[00:25:33] Vista and why you like this

[00:25:35] Console.

[00:25:37] Yeah so let me start with

[00:25:39] Saying Vista was obviously not

[00:25:41] My first choice when I was in

[00:25:43] LD so let me get that right off

[00:25:45] The bat but it very quickly

[00:25:47] Became like my favorite console

[00:25:49] So much so that I actually

[00:25:51] Personally own a few Vista

[00:25:53] You know you can put fixtures

[00:25:55] Exactly where they are inside of

[00:25:57] Your room you can import in

[00:25:59] Blueprints and you know hang

[00:26:01] Your fixtures on your pipes for

[00:26:03] Everything it's very click drag

[00:26:05] Drop and kind of finish a

[00:26:07] Lot of it when it comes to

[00:26:09] Programming or editing inside

[00:26:11] Of cues it looks a little bit

[00:26:13] Kind of like PowerPoint as I

[00:26:15] Like to say and so for

[00:26:17] Volunteers or for experienced

[00:26:19] LDs it really is just an

[00:26:21] Easy console to use.

[00:26:23] So what I think the

[00:26:25] The best thing about this

[00:26:27] Is that you know how much

[00:26:29] You know how much you can

[00:26:31] Have to be able to do it

[00:26:33] So let's get started with

[00:26:35] The physical form and then

[00:26:37] I think you have just the

[00:26:39] Software version how does

[00:26:41] The software version work if

[00:26:43] I'm a church and you know

[00:26:45] I just wanted to be point

[00:26:47] And click I want to keep it

[00:26:49] Really cheap and simple

[00:26:51] Explain a little bit how

[00:26:53] It's really necessary.

[00:26:55] One of the really cool secrets

[00:26:57] Behind Vista is really the

[00:26:59] Software itself so when

[00:27:01] You're coming out of the

[00:27:03] Software you can just come out

[00:27:05] Of the network port on your

[00:27:07] Computer or you know they have

[00:27:09] A USB to DMX device to kind

[00:27:11] Of go along with that as well

[00:27:13] And output to your system.

[00:27:15] It sounds like what you're

[00:27:17] Saying is I can easily expand

[00:27:19] So I could get the software

[00:27:21] Version first and kind of

[00:27:23] Get the consoles if I want to

[00:27:25] Get bigger for you know my

[00:27:27] Christmas and Easter events

[00:27:29] It sounds like it's very easy to

[00:27:31] Expand.

[00:27:33] Yeah so the way that I kind of

[00:27:35] Looked at Vista especially the

[00:27:37] New versions of Vista right now

[00:27:39] Is it was a modular system

[00:27:41] So I kind of just knew how

[00:27:43] Many faders I wanted and did

[00:27:45] I want the encoder section

[00:27:47] And stuff like that and you

[00:27:49] Know I just kind of built as

[00:27:51] The system grew you know I

[00:27:53] Had in you know different vocals

[00:27:55] And wanted to be able to

[00:27:57] Individually solo people so I

[00:27:59] Needed more faders to kind of do

[00:28:01] It and it's just as easy as

[00:28:03] Plugging in another console.

[00:28:05] Same thing with channel counts

[00:28:07] When it comes with Vista you

[00:28:09] Can actually stack their channel

[00:28:11] Count dongles on top of them

[00:28:13] So you can start with just

[00:28:15] 128 channels and go all the way

[00:28:17] Up to kind of whatever you want

[00:28:19] So it's very flexible very

[00:28:21] Flexible so when you have

[00:28:23] Miners on that I'm not a church

[00:28:25] That can hire a full time person

[00:28:27] Or even a part time person to run

[00:28:29] Lighting I'm a church that needs

[00:28:31] To set it up very easily

[00:28:34] And efficiently for my volunteers

[00:28:36] So if that's the case what's

[00:28:38] What's the best way for them

[00:28:40] To set this console how would

[00:28:42] You lay it out so for some of

[00:28:44] The simpler stuff this is where

[00:28:46] Those physical buttons and faders

[00:28:48] Become very useful right because

[00:28:50] You're telling somebody just

[00:28:51] The easy thing to do but you

[00:28:54] Can have a little bit of that

[00:28:56] Inside the software as well with

[00:28:58] Virtual consoles so you can just

[00:29:00] Leave a virtual console page open

[00:29:02] You know and have your cue list

[00:29:04] For you know your house lights

[00:29:06] Or for some color or your

[00:29:08] Frontlights and they can just

[00:29:10] Come up there and push those

[00:29:12] Faders the way that they want

[00:29:14] And call it a day or if you

[00:29:16] Have some you know you do

[00:29:18] Have some experience volunteers

[00:29:19] Physically are inside of the space

[00:29:21] And having some of those presets

[00:29:23] Of like you know color presets

[00:29:25] And position presets and all

[00:29:27] These kinds of things pre-programs

[00:29:29] To where it's just click the fixture

[00:29:31] Put it in red turn it on and

[00:29:33] It's done that's kind of the

[00:29:35] Simplest way to do it.

[00:29:37] Well I'm going to take you to

[00:29:39] The other side of the spectrum

[00:29:41] Here Anthony I know you've

[00:29:43] Worked with some tough tech

[00:29:45] Directors tough tech directors

[00:29:47] See if I can spit that out

[00:29:49] I'm going to go to the church in Orlando

[00:29:51] And I'm like do this do that

[00:29:53] The lights here put the lights there

[00:29:55] I need backlight anyway

[00:29:57] How did you navigate that stress

[00:29:59] And then deliver an excellent product

[00:30:01] Because what I always envied about

[00:30:03] You working with you on lighting

[00:30:05] Is I would throw 18 things at you

[00:30:08] But you kind of knew what to filter

[00:30:10] What was important and what

[00:30:12] You needed to get to first

[00:30:14] And what you needed to get to last

[00:30:16] So you know talk a little bit

[00:30:17] Working with a tough tech director

[00:30:19] Your full time at a church

[00:30:21] How do you set up the lighting console

[00:30:23] How do you kind of filter things

[00:30:25] And understand what you got to get to first

[00:30:27] And what you got to get to last

[00:30:29] We were a very extensive church

[00:30:31] You know we did a lot of

[00:30:33] I think my average weekend was 120 to 130

[00:30:35] Cues a weekend and a lot of that

[00:30:37] Was just for individual songs

[00:30:39] And so something that I started to do

[00:30:41] Was to create a database of songs

[00:30:43] So I could actually go back

[00:30:45] And pull the songs from the previous

[00:30:47] And it helped free up that time

[00:30:49] Of not having to go back all the time

[00:30:51] But what it also did was

[00:30:53] To create a system in which

[00:30:55] It's always getting better

[00:30:57] Because you're working from the last place

[00:30:59] That you are which was awesome

[00:31:01] But now the next time you have

[00:31:03] Some extra time you know things

[00:31:05] Maybe just a little bit different this week

[00:31:07] Oh well I can make this better

[00:31:09] Let me add to this and then it just keeps

[00:31:11] Getting you know better and better and better

[00:31:13] As you go

[00:31:15] Working with you was amazing

[00:31:17] To kind of go with it

[00:31:19] And this is where it comes into console setup

[00:31:21] So you know we were talking about

[00:31:23] Console setup for ease of use for volunteers

[00:31:25] Well that's not just for volunteers

[00:31:27] That's also for me

[00:31:29] You know being able to have

[00:31:31] All of my vocal lights on

[00:31:33] Faders and buttons right there in front of me

[00:31:35] It's made it really easy to go

[00:31:37] I saw this person I saw this person

[00:31:39] Okay great pull everybody else down

[00:31:41] Really quick you know it's not

[00:31:43] That I'm trying to oh yeah it's channels

[00:31:45] One through you know 15 minus 5

[00:31:47] It's just faders and being able to

[00:31:49] Be ultra kind of flexible with it

[00:31:51] I'm known when I technical direct

[00:31:54] For being somewhat like a worship leader

[00:31:57] And what that means is

[00:31:59] You never know what's coming next

[00:32:01] And the reason why I like to take that approach

[00:32:04] Is the worship team gets in the mood

[00:32:06] They start feeling the audience

[00:32:08] And they take worship a certain direction

[00:32:10] And the tech team goes whoa that wasn't planned

[00:32:13] So as a tech director I like to

[00:32:15] Kind of throw that out

[00:32:17] And get on to the tech team

[00:32:19] And not in a way that buries them

[00:32:21] Or makes it so difficult that it's crazy

[00:32:23] Because I still understand some of the boundaries

[00:32:25] But I like to basically say

[00:32:27] Hey what if you didn't know where we were going next

[00:32:30] What would you do

[00:32:32] And that's why I'm not a super huge fan

[00:32:34] Of doing you know very programmed cues

[00:32:37] Very programmed time code

[00:32:40] Or MIDI triggers and things of that nature

[00:32:42] I'm not a big fan of that

[00:32:44] I think it has its place

[00:32:45] And I understand in some of the smaller churches

[00:32:48] That it may be needed or necessary

[00:32:50] But when I'm technical directing

[00:32:52] I like the ability to be able to say

[00:32:54] Boom you know the Holy Spirit's moving

[00:32:57] This singer is now singing

[00:32:59] Lighting show me that singer

[00:33:01] And what drove me absolutely crazy

[00:33:05] Was when that would happen

[00:33:07] And it took 30, 40, 50 seconds

[00:33:10] To get to that person and light them

[00:33:12] And so the way Anthony would lay out

[00:33:13] His lighting console and I don't know how to lay it out

[00:33:15] But I would go up there

[00:33:17] And he had everything kind of in front of him

[00:33:19] Like he was playing a musical instrument

[00:33:21] Meaning you know David wanted this person

[00:33:23] To be lit quickly from front light

[00:33:25] He could select that very quickly

[00:33:27] And throw it up

[00:33:29] And then I think you took it a step further

[00:33:31] By being able to add it into the cue stack

[00:33:33] On the fly so that if we did three services

[00:33:35] Typically service one and service two

[00:33:37] And then you could just throw it up

[00:33:39] And then you could just throw it up

[00:33:41] And then you could just throw it up

[00:33:43] And then you could just throw it up

[00:33:45] And again service two and service three

[00:33:47] Service one, things would kind of change

[00:33:49] A little bit and the flow would kind of happen

[00:33:51] But service two and three were pretty much

[00:33:53] The same as service one

[00:33:55] And so you had the ability to quickly

[00:33:56] Add that into your cue stack

[00:33:58] And the database thing I though it was brilliant

[00:34:00] I didn't even know you were doing this

[00:34:02] Until after I left that church

[00:34:05] But essentially was having a database where

[00:34:07] When they go to sing that song again

[00:34:09] You bring that cue stack into

[00:34:11] Your cues and it's already built

[00:34:13] even better for the next time and then you push it back into your database.

[00:34:17] So talk a little bit about that with, you know, obviously the Vista console.

[00:34:22] How am I pulling cues in? Because, you know, a lot of churches are thinking like Q1 Welcome,

[00:34:28] Q2 Song, you know, Q2.5 is still that song and Q3 Song 2. And they're saying,

[00:34:35] whoa, how did he pull those cues in from a database to be able to use them again?

[00:34:41] So talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so what I did to kind of help, you know,

[00:34:44] all this is organization is really what it comes down to. So I did a new show file.

[00:34:48] This is why you're good at networking. It's all organization, right?

[00:34:54] It's all organization. It's all everything. So I did a new show file for pretty much every

[00:34:59] month, you know, so and the way that I did it was by version numbers, right? So if you know,

[00:35:04] if I know that this is January 2024, you know, the show file would be, you know,

[00:35:10] church name 2024 version one, right? You know, and then version two is February version three is March.

[00:35:17] And so I kind of just be able to keep that inside of each one of those show files. I would

[00:35:21] keep the weekend service and all the songs that we did in the order that we did them.

[00:35:26] And that was that weekend's Q list. And so, you know, come, you know, March, April, May,

[00:35:31] and I was like, Oh man, we haven't done this song in a bit. It last time we did it was January.

[00:35:35] I know I can go back in that database. And this is where Vista actually allows you to

[00:35:40] open older show files and merge them into current show files. So I could go back to version one

[00:35:48] and grab weekend two, grab this particular subset of cues, and then bring it over into

[00:35:55] my current Q list. And that way I had it. Is that hard to do? Or is that easy to do?

[00:36:01] It's not hard to do. It definitely does take, you know, just like time of learning kind of

[00:36:05] just like everything, but it's one of those things to where once you have the process down,

[00:36:10] it's just fluid. Now, let me ask you this, it sounds like there may be a few different

[00:36:14] ways to skin that cat. And so if you're a lighting person, I think what I would say

[00:36:20] to you is take the concept, which is a database and you may have a different lighting console,

[00:36:25] right? You may have a grand amai, a hog. Did they make hogs? I think they sell me.

[00:36:31] You may have a different lighting console out there. But use the concept. The concept is

[00:36:37] have a database where you can, you know, when they go to sing that song, you're not rebuilding

[00:36:41] the song from scratch. You're bringing it in. I just thought that was, that was a brilliant,

[00:36:47] brilliant plan. So tough question for you, man. Was I a hard tech director? Oh no, I loved you.

[00:36:54] You were great. I heard the sarcasm of it that I loved you. But I'm also one of those people

[00:37:00] that likes to be pushed. I mean, okay, here's what it comes down to, you know, working inside

[00:37:08] of a church, especially with TVs, you know, there's always a love-hate relationship,

[00:37:12] you know, and there's always those times where, you know, things can get a little tense and

[00:37:16] things can get, you know, maybe even sometimes a little ugly, you know. But the fact of the

[00:37:20] matter is that, you know, once the service is done, once the service is over, you know,

[00:37:24] it's getting back to some of these conversations. And I think that's what made us a really good

[00:37:28] team together was because we could, we could get into it during the services and things

[00:37:34] would change left and right. And it'd be completely different than what we talked about.

[00:37:38] But then afterwards come Tuesday meeting day, it's the, hey, we're going to talk about this. And

[00:37:42] it's going to be great. And, you know, it's also that understanding as a team that we're all here

[00:37:46] for the same reason, right? We're all here to make the service successful.

[00:37:49] Yeah. I mean, as a tech director, if you were tech director out there listening or you

[00:37:54] want to be a tech director, I'll give you a little information that'll help you. And that

[00:38:00] is, I was always pushing. I was always trying to follow like a musical instrument,

[00:38:06] you know what I mean? I wanted to be really flexible and fluid and live.

[00:38:11] That's what I was pushing for. And that's what I wanted to do. But if I went to Anthony or audio

[00:38:18] or pro presenter video, and we'll use lighting as an example, and I went up and said, hey,

[00:38:23] I need this and I need it right here. And I need it, you know, in 30 seconds.

[00:38:27] If he couldn't do it, he would tell me give me a few minutes or I'm not able to do that.

[00:38:33] And he'd give me a really simple reason like he didn't complicate my brain with, you know,

[00:38:39] DMX 512 is above all, you know, I mean, he would give me a real simple reason as to why he couldn't

[00:38:44] do that. Second thing is he never abused that power. You don't mean if if if he could do it,

[00:38:51] he did it. He didn't say, okay, here's the reason why I can't do that every time I asked

[00:38:57] for something different. So as a tech, I think sometimes we can lean a little bit towards the

[00:39:00] negative. But as a tech director, I would store in memory and sometimes in notes,

[00:39:07] the boundary that I could take that to you know what I mean? Like if he said to me, hey Dave,

[00:39:11] that light can't physically hit that location. I never asked him to do it again.

[00:39:17] You know, so I would, I would kind of store that information and understand that information

[00:39:22] or even communicate that information up. But if I was coming to him and saying, hey,

[00:39:26] I need a backlight in this color and this amount of time, you know, I would get communication if

[00:39:32] he's like, okay, I can do that. It just give me a couple minutes because I'm inside a Q-stack that

[00:39:36] I've got to change a little bit. That was great. We would go with it. Otherwise, I got it a lot

[00:39:41] faster. But I think as a key as a tech director is kind of knowing your boundary and knowing

[00:39:47] where you need to stop. And sometimes massaging maybe the need or the request so that it

[00:39:54] fits with what your lighting tech can or can't do. The other thing to that is I would throw at Anthony

[00:40:02] a lot of lighting requests to make the service very cool and fluid and musical. But if I didn't

[00:40:09] have Anthony there and I had a different volunteer on there, I understood right away that I couldn't

[00:40:15] come at him or her with as much information and requests as I did with Anthony. And so I kind

[00:40:22] of understood my personnel and understood, hey, this is a really good guitar player. He can do the

[00:40:27] riffs and kind of go up and down the guitar. This is a guitar player that's going to be a little bit

[00:40:32] more basic. So I kind of understood my people. So people workflow tech gear, kind of keep it in

[00:40:39] that order and then understand your boundaries. And I think that's why Anthony and I worked

[00:40:44] really well together. And yeah, there were some moments where I'm like, I'm sorry,

[00:40:47] I have to have it. And he's like, I worked on all this and now I've got to move all this stuff.

[00:40:54] And you're going to have those moments you just are. But I think if you understand your boundaries

[00:40:58] and you communicate well in a very, what I say easy to understand layman terminology,

[00:41:05] then things go a lot better down the road. Yeah, I mean, and I think to kind of continue

[00:41:10] off of that from a lighting tech perspective, right? The thing that I always encourage

[00:41:15] my lighting techs is get to know your worship leaders. Because the fun thing is what I was able

[00:41:20] to do as an LD, even with David is I knew when my worship leaders were about to do something,

[00:41:27] because I knew their body language, I could see where they're going. And so sometimes even before

[00:41:32] David would walk over to me inside of the booth, he'd come over, he'd say something and I

[00:41:36] would just say already on it. And he would just walk away. And it's just because I already

[00:41:40] kind of saw some of this in the way that it goes. And then the other thing too is rehearsals are amazing.

[00:41:46] Yes, the worship team loves to just goof around during rehearsals and it makes for a great time.

[00:41:52] But you can start to see where they might want to flow during a service. And so it's really

[00:41:58] that kind of a thing. And just to also continue to what David was saying is just as much as I

[00:42:03] don't like to abuse the power of sometimes I say no, David as the TD also didn't abuse his

[00:42:09] power when he said I need to have this. You know, this it really is a coexistence of teamwork

[00:42:15] to really pull off what some of these churches are able to do. You said something there that

[00:42:19] I really liked and that is rehearse it. Make sure you understand how it's going to happen in the

[00:42:25] service but then also understand the difference between the rehearsal and the moment. And

[00:42:31] here's what I mean by that. I had worship leaders that during rehearsal they would

[00:42:36] sing the song exactly how it was laid out and then end during the service. And I mean every

[00:42:43] time repeatable like money, they would change the song in the same way. They would sing with more

[00:42:52] energy at the same moments. And I took note of that. And so I would warn my lighting guy,

[00:42:59] you know, or in this case, Anthony, I would go up to him and say, hey, this is how they

[00:43:02] rehearsed it but be ready for this during the service. And I don't know 90% of the time we were

[00:43:08] right. We worked with a worship leader that always liked to repeat. There was a song, I can't

[00:43:14] remember the song now, but he always liked to repeat a certain part of the song at the end.

[00:43:19] So you kind of reprise the song again during the rehearsal. No reprise. I would tell the

[00:43:24] entire team 90% chance he's going to reprise that. I also had another worship leader

[00:43:30] that if he got to the end of the song and he had a worship moment where he was,

[00:43:33] he's kind of stopped and got quiet. I knew he would do an acapella of something not on the

[00:43:39] worship list. And so we would ask him, hey, you know, if you were going to pick a song

[00:43:45] like during that moment that you always pick a song like what songs and he give us four or five

[00:43:51] right? And so we'd have those off to the side. So I think some of it is what I call organized

[00:43:57] chaos. It's watching the chaos happen, taking note of that and then being ready for it the next time

[00:44:04] because it'll surprise you at how many times your worship team does repeat things during the actual

[00:44:12] moment differently than they do during the rehearsal. So I don't know, did you experience that? Oh,

[00:44:18] yeah. Actually, I think I think this song was Waymaker if I remember properly. I think

[00:44:23] you're right. I think it was Waymaker. I mean, we would finish that song and then consistently

[00:44:28] it would just build right back in again and we just start doing the chorus and chorus and chorus

[00:44:32] and chorus and just keep going getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then there was the one

[00:44:35] time that he did flip a sub which is why it was 90%. He got to the end of the song and then went

[00:44:41] acapella instead of building it. And it's like, Oh, this is interesting. But even as I was talking

[00:44:46] about the database stuff, you know, you were mentioning is like, Yeah, I can program

[00:44:49] the stuff in and save it. There's been a couple of times where I'd pull a song in from a database

[00:44:53] and just go, Wait a second, we're a Waymaker. Why is this song in the middle of the Q list?

[00:45:00] This doesn't make sense. And then sure enough, we get into the rehearsal and was like, Oh,

[00:45:04] that's why because we did this free flow worship thing and I pulled it over or

[00:45:09] it was actually a planned chaos moment. And so it made it nice. But no,

[00:45:14] planned chaos. That's a great way of saying it. Organized chaos.

[00:45:17] Organized chaos. All chaos is planned by the worship team, in my opinion.

[00:45:24] We like to organize the chaos on the tech side of things. Yes. Let's talk about Hayes. So AVLH.

[00:45:33] Let's talk about Hayes a little bit. That's in the Bible, right? There's there's due

[00:45:38] and the sun and it goes the sun kind of goes through and creates beams of light.

[00:45:43] But I'm a pastor. I think Hayes belongs in clubs. Help try to change that mind a little bit. Why Hayes

[00:45:52] in your service? I think a lot of that just comes down into what Hayes- That's going to be a good

[00:45:57] answer. But unfortunately, you're going to have to tune into part two of this podcast to hear it.

[00:46:02] I'm going to tell you right now that part two of the networking and lighting podcast with

[00:46:07] Anthony has some great content. Not only does he answer the Hayes question in a way that will

[00:46:12] change how you think about Hayes, but we also talk about when or if you should scan the audience

[00:46:19] with moving lights. When should you use audience blinders and what a small church with a tight

[00:46:25] budget should focus on first? Hey, if you want to get in touch with Anthony, Luminex or AC

[00:46:31] Lighting, be sure to go to aclighting.com or shoot them an email at info at aclighting.com.

[00:46:40] Don't forget to register for the free Luminode giveaway by going to techartspodcast.com

[00:46:46] and clicking on the enter to win button. Well that wraps things up for today's episode.

[00:46:51] I can't wait to talk to you on the next Tech Arts podcast until then. I'm David

[00:46:56] Loisner signing off by wishing you a great day and praying God blesses every moment of your week.

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