Light Lab with ProLights

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: This is The Tech Arts Podcast where we talk about tech, leadership and all things that can search audio, video and lighting.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to The Tech Arts Podcast and the Earthworks Audio Studios. My name is D.L., so glad to have you joining us today.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't want to miss a second of this episode. First, our tech tip is a game changer.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to give it away, but it has to do with a new system that will change your approach to lighting.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_04]: For our main segment, the Pro Lights team will conduct a light lab. That's why we're calling this episode Light Lab with Pro Lights.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: In this lab they will help you define who your church is.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: They'll help you understand lighting basics and we'll dive into some budget questions as well.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus, we will answer questions like, what's the most important piece to broadcast lighting? Why does white balance and color balance matter and what is a light meter and how does it help you?

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I want to thank all of our sponsors, especially Pro Lights, D.L., in Earthworks Audio.

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[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Paragon360 will have a monthly segment on the Tech Arts Podcast called The Paragon Angle.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Today they talk about the single most important question to ask when doing a construction or renovation project.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't wait to hear the answer to that question.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That segment is coming up in about 20 minutes.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But first, today's tech tip is spectra calibration. Do you know what that is?

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I know I don't. So joining us today to talk about this is Nick and Marcus from Parallelite.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys, how's it going?

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's jump right into it. I'm not sure who wants to take this first, but Nick, Marcus, what is spectra calibration and how can it help me?

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. So spectra calibration is a process that Pro Lights uses to help normalize and regulate all their LEDs across their lines of fixtures.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you make LED diodes, whatever color they are, you make them in mass. They end up getting baked in an oven if you imagine a big tray of cookies.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They all come out some of them are a little bit more well done than others.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so what you need to do is you need to make sure they all match.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So in the spectra calibration process that Pro Lights uses, we put the light in this dark room, if you will, and then there's a spectrometer.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We go through diode by diode and you end up finding like the deficiencies in each one, and we calibrate the software to make sure that every single light will always be the same color regardless of any of the micro and consistencies between the batches of LEDs or say you buy 100 units one year. You buy a couple more than extra. You want those to match.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So what the spectra calibration does is it takes it down from its peak. So that you have a little bit of area to kind of play with, where you can add in a couple more colors and helps everything kind of meet perfectly repeatedly on like the x, y color spectrum across batches of LEDs.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So also helps with like the temperature fluctuation. So it actively monitors within the light. And as things start to get a little bit, you know, maybe a little bit for as a frasal because as temperatures increase LEDs can start to decay or do a little bit of things. You kind of want them around 80 degrees Celsius and as soon as you start to get past that stuff can start to happen.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So the spectra calibration also helps with the fan speed to come on to keep the LEDs at optimal temperatures so that their colors stay optimal and it finds that perfect balance so that we can get the most color spectrum.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But also even this across the range.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So at the end of the day, I think what you're saying is it allows you to match all your lights. So I'm not getting one LED looking a little bit different from another LED. So Marcus does it allow you to match other fixtures outside like if I already owned a fixture that's not a pro lights fixture or is this just matching inside the pro light brands.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really matching across the different products that are available from pro lights from one product to another like a say a profile spot to a par of some type to even a moving head fixture.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's making sure that red is red and blue is blue green is green and it's the same across the entire line. Now it does make it easier to be able to match something that's third party that is not a pro light fixture.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It helps with that and you should be able to get to where you need to be and then whatever you're controlling with you can save a preset and kind of match those things.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's really inside of the pro lights fixtures to be able to match each other and have a standardization between them.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sounds like it would really help with color temperature. So Nick, does this is a game changer when it comes to color temperature for television and some of the you know massive changes that happen between hey I want to light my pastor and then I want to light my rock and roll.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Band does the spectra calibration help with that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So you know the white is is a blending of all the colors right so the better calibration you can get the more pure the white you get and again we calibrate it so that it can be perfect on the x y scale of the color spectrum.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you bring in other fixtures if they are third party fixtures that's how it does kind of help match that so even though it's done for the pro lights line it does kind of help you match any other third party lights that you may have.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to your whites, your broadcast whites you know the fact that we can get everything kind of perfectly and entune and repeatable right again that's what we want we want everything to be repeatable we want that 5600 Kelvin to always be 5600 Kelvin.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that it's actively monitored and you know gets everything where it needs to be it really is why we have such a good white out of our out of our spectra calibrated fixtures.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: In Marcus when I saw you put that hat on a new you the rock and roll guy so I got to ask you this question when it comes to church rock and roll like what fixtures would you recommend for them to use to work great with their pastor.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But yet then be awesome with all the wacky colors that come out during the worship segment.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of the nice things about what's offered from pro lights currently is that there are so many options to be able to do that you have all kinds of different tools to be able to use.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We offer everything from moving head fixtures to be able to do some of the you know the patterns and really quick movement and those kind of things for that rock and roll look.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's just if you need great front light or you need great color saturation there's also options for that so little bit of everything is out there specific fixtures there's everything from like our our profiles about the CT plus which is great for front light and there's fixtures like our new ECL.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's just an amazing you know could be a great top watch fixture or so a fixture to be able to just a throw color into an area that you need to and they're all very, very fast and they're ready to go for that rock and roll show look if you need it.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're also just a really true like well calibrated smooth looking fixture as well so you've got kind of the best of both worlds with the pro lights stuff that's out there right now.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm a church I've got source for's mean do you have any options for me like do you have anything in the goes of my source for lenses.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely so all of the profile spots that we offer through acelite with pro lights is compatible with source for lenses so if you have.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Future chas a lot of source for us that are kind of an end of life and you're looking for potential replacement of the engine of that fixture we have a lot of options out there that are full color with very high CRI whites as well.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And they've been amazing and they work well in a retro fits scenario and for a reasonable budget as well it's a very cost effective to you.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So last question before I ask you guys how people can get in touch with you because it sounds like you have a lot of options here.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Why would I want the spectra calibration you know we've talked about a lot of good reasons but what's like one good reason for for somebody to say hey I need this spectra calibration.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure so again it comes down to not having to worry about what you've already bought number one first and foremost we all know what the LED industry things come quick and the last thing you want is an out of date rig.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So everything moving forward with pro light is spectra calibrated see know that if you were to buy stuff a year after two years after it's all going to be.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And again it comes down to that repeatability and that being able to trust on that color so if you were to ever look at a fixture that has not been calibrated and then you have another one of that same fixture also not calibrated and you turn them on and you put them at the same thing they will they just won't match you need to calibrate it and there are other companies do their own forms of calibration.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's something to know and to look into if you are going to go with another vendor vendors you know what kind of calibration do they do and make sure you check it and trust it.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But at the end of the day if I buy a light from you guys today and I buy another light from you a year from now with spectra calibration they'll match.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: 100% that's pretty awesome.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Nick. Tell us what the best way to get in touch with pro lights is how do I how do I start this spectra family journey with you guys.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so pro lights is exclusively distributed by AC lighting here in North America.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go to ac lighting dot com we've got a bunch of different contacts we've got all of our sales reps listed by region so it would be really easy based on where you are just look up you know what state is color coded to which person shoot them an email their phone number their emails right there.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They can help you out they can put you in touch with someone who can get you some pricing and a local dealer as well.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So to get in touch with pro lights go to ac lighting dot com you can click the contact link there as well for lighting choices that will illuminate your world go to ac lighting dot com now Marcus I here we're giving away a pro lights data master and everybody who tunes into the tech arts podcast knows that we give away a lot of cool things.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us a little bit about what the data master is and how it can help them so that they're all itching to get their hands on this thing sure thing.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: A data master is a pro lights data master is really a testing tool to be able to send out or receive DMX and test your lights know what the DMX in your room is doing.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also got an RDM feature built into it so you can configure some lights if your lights if your fixtures have RDM capabilities built into them so it's just a nice little testing tool that you can kind of keep in your kit.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And be able to sometimes save the day with a little tool like a like a data master it it's amazing in the past I've used it many times and I am amazed of what it does in such a small package so it's a cool little tool.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a cool tool plus it is free we are giving it away so if you go to tech arts podcast dot com there will be a link there just click on the link register for the free giveaway will do a drawing when I give in it to everyone.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We are doing a free drawing to give the data master away to a lucky winner so again go to tech arts podcast dot com to register for that.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Nick Marcus I would love to have you guys stay on for the next segment and talk to us a little bit more about lighting do a little light lab with pro lights you guys game for that absolutely.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Totally.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: All right and just a few minutes we will talk with the pro like team about three things number one defining who your church is number two understanding the lighting basics and number three budget so in typical church fashion.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Defore defined you for understand be for budget to me that's the for all you non sports people the win so we're going to go for the win right after these messages from our sponsors hang on.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we need to renovate the sanctuary because it looks like 1981 and smells like 73 but why today we're going to talk about the single most important question to ask when doing a renovation or new construction project.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, I'm Danny Bronner owner and CEO of Paragon 360 and this is the Paragon angle.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: When you start out to do a renovation or new construction project your architect or your audio video lighting integrator or design firm they should be asking the question why it's that simple.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The most important question is why are we doing this project who attends who's the core right who's the target.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on I know we love everybody and everybody's the target but who is the target there's got to be a target who are we trying to reach.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about styles is their multi generational impact to deal with does your space reflection core values if not why does it need to.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it designed for the church or unturse.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Many integrators may not be digging that deep into all that but they should if they're really trying to solve the issues and meet the objectives as opposed to just trying to self gear.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This should be informing our decisions as we work through design.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: If we're going to spend a bunch of money you'd better know why because the people you need to support the project are going to want to know why.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: When casting vision it's critical to ask the question why why are we doing this what are the real goals and objectives is project what are the ministry goals of this project and does this design speak to why and help us achieve those goals.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So yes we need to renovate the sanctuary because it looks like 1981 and smells like 73 but why.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So the project campaign should be built around that obviously but it should also drive the decisions that the designers and planners make and over a thousand projects and 24 years I've yet to find a client that can afford everything they want.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes even here at Prestonwood they have a budget to.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So it comes down to priorities and it comes down to being crystal clear about what we're doing and why I promise you this.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Reaching people that are not there now and reaching the growing untourts crowd.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sloaning that the client in the church engaging with people at home reaching the new core of the church which is millennials and jinsie.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Those answers will not be found in a new PA system or because you took out the views for seats and removed the plants or because you got rid of the bad dispatch.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It goes deeper than that if we're trying to reach people that are not there now.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to require a big thought process trust me this is easier to get it wrong than it is to get it right.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The new core of your church is interested in community gathering spaces connection fellowship, children and security.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So understanding how your renovation plans are going to facilitate that is going to be key.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it doesn't help for your architects, master planners, integrators to ask those questions if they don't know what to do with the information.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because a lot of the architects are architects but they don't really understand the church and churches are very complicated spaces to design and get right.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Or their AVL companies that don't really know the decisions how their decisions impact the bigger goals of the project because they're focused on selling gear.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But think through all of that when making decisions about who you want to have help you with your project it's imperative that we get this right the first time.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want a motivator inspired people to get behind the project or your new initiative, you must start by casting a compelling vision and the why has to be at the center of that vision.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means it should lead the design process from the very beginning it has to be front and center.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope this was helpful and we'll see you in the next paragraph angle.

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[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to the TechArtspodcast from ESPN to churches.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: These guys bring over 40 years of experience to the pro lighting market.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Joining us today is Nick and Marcus from ProLights.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys, we entitled today's show Light Lab with ProLights.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And our goal today is to hit three topics.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to define who your church is, understand the lighting basics that we want to hit budget.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But before we jump into that, Nick, Marcus, tell us a little bit about yourselves and your experience.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like David said, my name is Marcus.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been with AC lighting and I'm the Southwest United States sales rep with AC for the last three years.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And blessed to be on the team there.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And before that, I spent seven years in house of worship consulting and integration with the firm out of Kansas City.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was in a lot of churches over the course of seven years working in a lot of different environments from traditional space as all the way to very contemporary churches.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And then before that, my spent 10 years as a production director for a large church in the Kansas City area.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's been a good ride of a lot of years working directly with churches across the country.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And all based kind of in the middle of the country, but working coast to coast with all kinds of different churches and different different places all over the country.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So Nick, before you jump in on your resume, Marcus has got the cool lighting background changing and everything behind him is such a nice soft atmosphere.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like we caught you on the road at a hotel.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You did absolutely did. I do a little bit of travel these days. So I'm the North American ProLights Brain Manager with AC lighting.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Started my career doing live theater for some first nonprofits and then Miami Stage Company, a couple other places down south and then moved up north.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: From there, I ended up transitioning. I was the technical director for performing arts magnet school started my own scenic design and construction company.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then transitioned into broadcast lighting with ESPN where I spent 10 wonderful years working my way up from one of their lead light and specialist all the way up to their lighting director where I help design and procure and install their lighting in their main broadcast studios as well as their remote settings and home studios.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately I'm well versed to the background of a hotel room.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you guys have a ton of experience in the lighting marketplace.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I spent a lot of time in the church market so Marcus, I feel you're paying there and Nick, I watched ESPN.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I still watch ESPN like every single day of my life. So I feel like I'm a part of both of your lives.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But let's jump right into this here.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of the first thing we want to talk about is defining who your church is and when we did the pre-meeting, I think this was really important to you Marcus in terms of of what churches do and how they do it.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And one thing I've noticed is that a lot of churches fall into this this copy and paste mode and they they really struggle to define who their church is and tell why is that and how can you help churches not fall into that trap.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's definitely different depending on you know the church and location and size and those kind of things.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But there is definitely a scenario that happens where churches see something they like either from another church most of the time or a pastor sees something that he likes at another church or they go to a conference or they're inspired by something or they see something on TV or at a concert or something like that.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, hey we should try that in our room. Well usually the budget that is attached to something that is a high quality production that they're seeing it somewhere else is the budget is usually not there when it comes down to being able to replicate that in their church and then the question is why should you replicate that exactly in your church anyway.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So we see that a lot of churches are not necessarily doing what's best for them there somewhat you know they're influenced by these other churches that are trying to attain a different goal and you kind of have to decide what are the goals that I want to hit here at this church or that we're supposed to hit as a church and then strive for those not strive for someone else's goal.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Give me give me an example of what some of those goals would be like what would help define the church and what they need.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean simple goals are we want to make our live stream look a little bit better maybe our stage is too dark.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we want to transition the from a more traditional style sometimes of music to more of a contemporary style but at the same time do it in a classy way that isn't just trying to be a lot of show we're trying to say this is why we're doing it and thinking about it.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe holistically not necessarily just from if I buy this thing it will make me cooler that's not what we're going for right we're trying to find.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that meets the goal that you're trying to set so it's a it's different for every single church though there is no solution out there that's going to say.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I should do this and it's going to bring people to my church or have more influence or anything like that there are different formulas that are going to definitely work things are going to be attractive to people and sometimes bring more people into your church.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But you want to stay away from the gimmicks you want to stay away from things that are kind of fly by night and say okay this is who we are this is what we do and this is why we should do them and then know those things like understand.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like to your core what you're about and then buy the systems or by the lighting or audio video anything.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Technical that would enhance or support that vision in that goal not just something because you saw that it was cool.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So let me let me start with you on this one Nick essentially what I'm here in market say is you need to figure out what's the most important thing like what's your goal.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And Nick is somebody who's worked from theater to ESPN how did you define that with those secular organizations sure so you know what's.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Always interesting is it doesn't matter if you're a church or your a theater but understanding kind of your community base or your ticket base or the people that are coming to partake and whatever you're doing is so important right you got to read.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: What sort of energy.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You as a as a church or as a theater want to put out there so as a theater if you're trying to make your season you got to kind of know where you are the client tell that you have what kind of shows they want for a church it I hate to say it like as a brand but you got to kind of know where you fit and how you you know the personalities that you have up on stage or the personals you have in your congregation and it's really about embracing that persona.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And then utilizing the tools and the systems to help emphasize that and bring that out right like you don't want to try to fit yourself into a different mold if you're trying or trying be a triangle if your circle trying be a circle but it goes back to the whole thing trying to put a square peg in around holds.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't always end up well so kind of the more you're able to define who you are what you want to portray how you want to reach out to the people the more you're able to define that and then use your lighting or your performances or anything like that to help emphasize.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: In exaggerated that's where I think you would see the most success.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I like to.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to let you jump in on this Marcus but I like to say this.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: In the secular world they have to figure out how to sell tickets to people.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: They have to figure out how to get eyeballs on the television and both of those things mean that they're very.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Narrow focused on what the goal is and who their audience is.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think church is missed that a lot of times and they just throw this super broad net so Marcus speak into that a little bit more on the most important thing.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's it's important to figure out what your DNA is like who are you what you you know once you know that it actually becomes a lot easier once you have to find those things about yourself you can then say okay this is who we are and this is the.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we're producing here.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I always come back to simplicity is is key do the simple things well and don't put the flash and trash out there if you're if that's not your culture it like you know if just if you can if you have a really great communicator as a pastor.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the feature from why people are a lot of times coming to your services live light him well make him sound good and let you don't need all this other support most of the time because the guy is he's he's he's holding down the ship, you know he's he's making it go so I would say like just do the basics well.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And that will help define what your culture and your DNA is once you figure out hey this is this is who we are.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a mix of the lot easier going forward from there.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah so sounds like what you're saying is the most important thing is figuring out what your DNA is as a church also here one of those things come into mind and that is motivation.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_04]: What's your church is motivation you know if you're a church that you know hopefully you do a lot of things but let's say your church is focused on on the single the young single mothers you know I mean.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: That motivation and that goal literally will change how your music sounds how your lighting happens it'll change everything about how that church.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: feels you know if your church has the older generation now I know a lot of people want to have what I call the Katy Perry effect or she says hey I want to reach everybody from age you know five or six to age.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You know 86 you know I mean, but there are some realities if you're in a college town and the majority of your congregants are younger that's going to change the way it's it's lit.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think there's some motivation behind this as well. Do you guys agree with that?

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah absolutely again you want you want your your lighting to be in addition right like you want it to help and to emphasize you don't want it to be.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you can use it as a crutch occasionally but it really should help emphasize your goal or what you're trying to portray and work with you as opposed to either being a distraction or being non complimentary so you want it to fit into your emotion your target audience and your delivery.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah you're your target demographic that you're trying to reach is as is a factor in figuring out your DNA like being able to say okay this is who we're going to reach maybe it's a wide group of people but most of the time when you were saying it's more of a.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: A specific kind of group that we usually work well with this type of person and these are the people that are singing our congregation and also maybe the people that are on stage communicate better to a certain demographic of people as well realizing all of that helps with.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The direction you should go when it comes down to everything from choosing a lighting ring to you know what kind of music you're going to play in the service and all those kind of things and all the tools that support on that.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like to tell people you know as much as Metallica would like to reach the country audience they know that's not their audience and so who they're targeting and how they're.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Approaching their you know tours and bands and locations and how they do things is different I think a lot of times churches don't realize that.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And in my not realizing that they go out and try to be what I hear all the time they try to be elevation when they're not elevation that's not who their pastor is that's not who their worship team is.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's a second piece to this that trips up churches and that leads us into kind of the second segment here which is understanding lighting basics.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And Nick kick us off with that like I know you did ESPN so like a lot of lighting basics circle around broadcast lighting and other some basics with live lighting as well, but.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to us a little bit about the lighting basics. Yeah, and you know as great as LEDs are I think they may have contributed a little bit to to trip in people up because people have forgotten kind of what was so great about LEDs and that was the.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: How many options it kind of gave you right now for example when you are in a broadcast sort of situation you'll notice a lot of places shoot in a cooler color temperature like a 5600 Kelvin like a date light.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we do that is because most of the time you have displays behind you that are televisions or LED panels and those all do really really well in a cool white like a day light.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Now if you don't have any displays behind you I would always suggest still gearing your talent lighting more towards tungsten it's way more flattering on the skin tones.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It helps give people depth and a little bit more color in their skin so you got to know why you're doing what you're doing right so when it comes to putting things on camera you always have to make sure that your camera is color and white balanced to whatever you're putting on your on your talent skin tone so if you've ever watched something.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And where someone looks either really really yellow or really really white or blue it's mostly because we didn't tune our cameras to match our lighting and that's very, very important if you don't do that nothing is going to match.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I want to stop you real quick neighbor because you just said make sure your camera is your lighting.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Is color and white balanced to the camera correct.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't know how many churches I've gone into where I say that and they go what's white balance.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So talk a little bit more about that focus in on that a little bit white and color balance why is that so important you're kind of going into that but it really focus in on that for us.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll do my best right but so color balancing typically deals with the color spectrum most.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Normally with cameras you're talking your reds and your blues and you kind of adjust that for your overall picture white balance is essentially taking the ambient color temperature so if you were to think about a lamp back in the day how that's orangey.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you go outside it's a lot.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Bluer right but you need that to be the norm on a camera and so what you're doing is you're telling your camera this is my native white so regardless of whether that white is a tungsten or more of an orangey color or higher up at the day light range.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You want everything else to look the same you want your blues to still look blues you want if you have scenery behind you or decorations you want them to look real to life.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And so with a camera you really have to make sure that you're setting that otherwise things behind you will not be accurately colored.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of as simple as that.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And that plays into your your key lights right you want your key lights to be properly white balanced with the camera correct so that when your pastor walks up and he's in the you know the front key lights.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know it looks right on the camera so in Mark is I'm you know I'm a pastor I'm in charge of it all we're talking about lighting basics you're like man I got key lights backlights candy light we're like.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Where do I start where do I where do I get going on this sure I mean starting from the if you're starting from the ground up obviously key lights are probably gonna be your number one thing you need to be able to.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know have some type of a spoken word message with some good even front washer across the front of it.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Those churches have some type of lighting already and so they're adapting and they're adding things and that's going into the the rest of their rig and it's really important to standardize your whites like Nick was saying let's let's find out what color temperature we're going to be what what temperature we're going to be running at.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And stick with that if you have a lot of different fixtures over the course of time over the course of years and the whites don't match each other then that's going to be pretty noticeable on your video pretty quickly as the if the pastor walks from one place on the stage to another and the light is a different type of light with a different white balance then you're going to end up with.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The whole different look as he walks around the stage that's not what anybody really wants so just thinking about those things at the beginning to go with and say okay even this is really important you know.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: The basics and and the you know do the simple things well the first time and then add to it from that point on it's not about we don't we don't need all the movers in the whole world and then all of a sudden our front light is suffering because of it and.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you know it might look really cool in the room during the music but the if the message suffers then what's it worth and asking those kind of questions is important to.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I could tag on to that so.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You also when it comes to your front lights and your back lights what people don't necessarily know specifically for camera is how much angle.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Also plays it for that right if your lights are too steep they're too close to your stage you're going to get bad shadow in here under your neck you're going to make that your talent look older so.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some I don't want to say standards because every place is different but in theatrical you tend to see about a 45 degree angle when they're making theaters they like to have their.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Front electric their front house electric at about a 45 degree angle in in broadcast.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We like to bring that way down somewhere around 22 degrees really helps make everything nice and soft helps everyone look really good now when you come that much shallower what becomes equally as important is the depth you still want to have.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to be a depth behind you and your background and that's where the back lights come in and another good rule of thumb if you're just starting out and again experiment with all of this but whatever you're getting for intensity on the front and we could use arbitrary numbers say it's 50 whether using full candles or lumens or whatever say it's 50.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You want about half that on your back is a really really good ratio that'll get you to a good starting place look at that on camera depending on your background the depth you have dial it in from there but that's a really really good place to start.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Well you bring me to a question here that I see a lot of churches don't have and don't even know about.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us what a light meter is.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So a light meter is a tool that measures depending on what it is and and what brand and how many features you bought in it will measure intensity and if it's really good it can measure your color temperature.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's really really good it'll measure your intensity your color temperature and we'll show you a live read out of the spectrum the color spectrum of that light that you're having.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So with an LED to get a white you're blending multiple colors to create a white a good white and so when you look at the color spectrum you want a nice well rounded almost semi circle if you see things with peaks.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we could you might have to do a little bit of work on your camera.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But a light meter is a tool to help make sure that you know as mark is a loop to before you want even this for your front wash all the way across stage so something that we would typically do when we were setting a front wash as you take a reading you move five feet you take a reading you move five feet take a reading and you adjust all your front lights to all of that is within spec and nice and even that way when someone is walking across the stage they aren't dark then bright then dark them bright then dark them bright.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I go into churches all the time and they have a DB meter sitting by the audio console I go back to their broadcast switch and they have a way for monitor sitting there on one of their monitors those are both tools to be able to figure out how loud.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: My audio is and how bright my video is and then they don't have a light meter and I ask and then they say you know I have all these dark spots they look great now the tutorial but on television I got a dark spot in the hotspot so.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Mark is kind of you know Nick talked about you can get really cheap light meters that will just show you know for candles or lumens and get really expensive ones that do like a bunch for you but if it comes down to just the basic light meter.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: What is it they're looking for and how can it help them.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You know map out their stage so that there's not bright and dark spots sure well a tool is only as beneficial as what it does for you and what problems it solves for you and I would say that.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If your church needs a light meter because you're really trying to make it as even as possible then you know do something just to at least figure out what your what your lumen rating is and and to even it out.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: There you can get some really cost effective ones out there would say for the smaller and medium sized churches though most of the time like I mean could you get by without a light meter.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it depends on the size of your church and your DNA and all those kind of things but is it nice to have it definitely it's always great if you're trying to try to improve and trying to standardize even more.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it an necessity.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Is anything really an necessity but I would say that it's very nice to me.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't need a DB meter either until they say how loud was it today correct.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So you can get a light meter as cheap as like a hundred bucks I think I've seen them for about a hundred hundred fifty bucks.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe actually have some like we live in a crazy age if you have an iPhone nowadays there is a.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That can use your camera because your your iPhone auto white balances so that's another really good way to kind of like see color temperature and is turn the lamp on then turn it off and watch the iPhone change because it auto white balances and so there are apps out there.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That all you have to do is have an iPhone and they ask you to wrap a piece of white paper around your camera and that causes diffusion so it helps spread the light coming in across your camera sensor and that is cheap under twenty dollars maybe under thirty dollars way that you can start measuring there are even some free ones I think you have to deal with ads.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a really cheap way to kind of just see if a tool like a light meter would be beneficial to you and maybe you want to invest in it in the future.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But Marcus I have the light meter.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_04]: What brightness should I run on my stage.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Nick might be a better answer.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: My have a better answer for this it's all over the place.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The level to do should run on your stage is whatever your DNA is for your church some of the contemporary church is run really really low lumens on their stage really really low.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Candles but I would say you know.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Gosh.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The more traditional cases are going to be brighter probably and the more contemporary places are going to be darker it seems like.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like Nick I don't like Marcus's answer you run it anyway.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That sounds like a lot of.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_04]: When I was switching video that literally sounds like my light a guy oh yo I want to run it like.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're doing.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're doing.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But what you have to know is the lower light that you have the less definition you're going to have between you and your background so if you were to watch something like a soap opera.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll notice that everything is very fuzzy it's still even though it's 2020 for everything on general hospital still looks really like 1990s.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's because they're shooting at such a low focandle somewhere around like 18 19 focandles and so the camera has its lens wide open and it's doing that to let as much light in as possible.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And because it's wide open and it's letting in all this light you're losing your darks and you're losing your depth.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So what you want to do is find the range on your camera.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So all cameras are different and all lensing on the cameras are different so depending on how much you spend your camera might not be able to go super low or super high.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would recommend if you can look at the exposure you never want to be on your lowest exposure never want to be on your highest exposure.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So what I always would like to do is go a couple clicks up in the middle and then I would use my light I turn them on I'd look at that waveform monitor that you liked and I would make sure that I'm nice and even I'm not too hot.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want people's foreheads cheeks nose being blown out super white back in the day with tube TVs.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You could literally explode televisions before we started to have controls in place if you had too high of white levels, which is why we now clip things at certain millivolts so that that didn't happen.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's not a problem anymore with everything being digital but that's what that waveform monitor is going to show you.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to show you where you want to stay below.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So it all comes down to kind of what you're trying to do the picture that you want to show.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The more light that you can get into your camera the more detail you can add to everything.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of about finding that balance in broadcast situations where we had a very detailed background behind us.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We were somewhere around 90 foot candles.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: In other more intimate spaces where you had maybe less depth between you and the wall and so you didn't want to spill too much on it or you wanted to help help the space look a little bit better.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes around 40 to 50 so it's all about kind of finding that balance.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: What is going to dictate it to you is your lighting instruments, how bright they can get, how bright you can get your background and what your camera is capable of.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to do all of that.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I've found that a lot of churches are trying to shoot at lower and lower foot candles now more than ever.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It used to be somewhere in that 40 to 50 or more and now it's like how much can we get away with and how low can we go and still make it look cool.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You can see in the space but what can the camera see and camera sensors are so much better than they were used to being.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: They can almost see in the dark now so it's like it's this is amazing how lower foot candles are totally, totally usable now where they weren't maybe 10 years ago.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Now Marcus you did just touch on something, sorry David this real quick.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You need to make a decision at some point are you lighting for the people in your audience or are you lighting for people at home because it's going to be very different.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You might have to make a compromise right because if you aren't doing anything on a camera then you want to make intimacy you want things to be nice and dark and dim and you can create that with the lighting inside the studio.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That might not be the best on camera picture so again play with your exposure settings play with your light levels learn what looks the best with the least amount of compromise but remember that you're showing two different places at once and that is a trick that takes mastering.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I think there's there's two different emotions in the service there's the worship music portion and some basics don't change but some things do change for the worship music portion versus the pastors portion.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean kind of keep that in mind as well when you're choosing like what's my light level going to be what's my color temperature going to be there's there's some things that you know hey my pastor airs on television and so.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You may get a much more flatter brighter.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Stage for your pastor when he's up there versus a pastor that doesn't necessarily air on television and wants a little bit more dynamic look behind them with you know moving lights and things of that nature.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And Marcus started to give you a hard time on the light level thing but I had one of my lighting guys that are worked with absolutely the best lighting guy I've ever worked with.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And the vocalists and the lead singers so dark it looked amazing on the platform but as you were talking I was I was hearing him as you were saying.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Well we may run a really low and may run a lot like oh man I get a bus mark is on this one.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But I got to tell you though he was one of the best lighting guys I'd ever worked with because he really understood the dynamic emotion of music.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: When we got to the sermon that was pretty easy the church I worked with was you know a TV pastor so you know everything was pretty flatten and held.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Positioned it wasn't a lot of you know tons of weird colors and things going on but because he understood the emotions of the music and when he would run there were certain songs he'd run them darker which would cause them to iris the cameras up on the key light which would really help some of the background pop.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And then there was some songs he'd run them brighter which would cause him to iris the cameras down and change the background.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I did as you were talking I was hearing him come out of you know is your mouth but I was hearing his voice.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge thing though you touched on that it comes back to people knowing what they want to accomplish with something and knowing what the goal was he understood.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we're going to shoot for this is what we're trying to accomplish and then it was the person that had the ability to push the right button at the right time and then make it look a certain way and kind of guide through that whole process so it came down to the people.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Because everything we can talk about fixtures all day long but at the end of the day it's really a tool that's the people that you know make things amazing and you know hit the right button at the right time and that's that's half the battle.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes in some churches.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah before we move on to the next subject I just want to say another thing here and that is I think a lot of churches don't understand what an audience noticed mistake is and so when it comes to the basics.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I like to tell people your your text can sometimes get caught up in all of the stuff you know what I mean here's what my lights can do here's how they can do it.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's how cool they are here's how fancy they are but the person sitting in the seat or the person watching at home doesn't see any of that.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it was it blue instead of red they didn't notice what they noticed was.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It was so much blue that it was causing things to rip and tear you know I mean so it wears a tech doesn't necessarily see that.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think as a pastor one thing you want to look out for when it comes to lighting basics is.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this an audience notice mistake meaning I have so much backlight and no key light I can't see the person the audience notices that making adjustment to that.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You know there's a lot of examples of this but I think technicians get caught up in what's cool and what's favorable and what the other church is doing instead of realizing hey.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sitting in the audience and they're noticing this distract me from from what's happening on the platform and think a lot of times and churches that can help define.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What the basics are.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The other thing I want to go back to is we talked a little bit about color balance and white balance and white balance matters like meters things of that nature and churches out there saying hey but I bought my LED lights two years ago and now I'm buying a new set of LED lights.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: If you are listening to this podcast on techarts podcast calm we talked about spectra calibration that can really help you with this.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Go back and listen to that tech tip inside this podcast and if you're listening on worship facility podcast go to tech arts podcast calm pull the podcast up.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll be able to hear about spectra calibration in the tech tip which will really help you align some of the old LEDs with the new LEDs if you're in the pro light family correct guys.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it won't help you if you got like 18 different types of lights but if you're inside the pro light family spectra calibration you want to go find out about that it's a cool cool thing.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's move on to budget here.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know who to throw this out to first I guess I'll go with you Marcus on this one but how much money do you need to have to get a decent lighting system?

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that's a trick question.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel so wish you want to see on these answers.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say depends on the size of your church depends on the goals that you set for yourself but you know if you're if you're going into even if you're a small church and you think oh I just need a few lights and I'm gonna be good to go.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I would think again really it comes down to you know you do need front light you need some top wash some something on your set behind like what are we looking at behind the speaker.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know how many people on stage do you have that are going to be playing instruments and how do you want to light them do you want to go with mainly white light or do you want color in different places.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know okay, so things even even accents in the the house do you want your house to be lit where the people are.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: During let's say that a broadcast or stream is going on like do you want accent color throughout the house to change and create an environment that's really engaging for people.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: All questions to ask that come back to budget eventually you have to kind of think okay you know what's realistic I.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Even the smallest church somewhere between 15 to 30 thousand dollars US was pretty typical for just the smallest of churches to get in and say okay we're going to like you fairly well in this space it's going to look nice.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the phase one of maybe three phases as you as your church grows you can kind of ease into this so having a good controller was something that was expandable and that was always important to say can this can I grow with this lighting controller.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And can I add on even more channels or can I add fixtures to this rig eventually and being able to do that and knowing that you know it's a lot of times we see lighting is not just a one time purchase either it's kind of you know every year as your church has a budget you can say I want to do this better and you need to make sure.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And that you're kind of in the same family with things and that's where spectra does come into play is you know a year from now or two years from now if you were to make a pearl I'd purchase initially in a system and then three years later you end up with another pearl lights purchased that is.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: In the same spectra families for his calibration they're going to match each other and they're going to look great even years apart and just having a strategy for that is really important and realizing you know.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know that's true and you can jump in on an answer on this but what I liked what you said Marcus was it can be phased.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You know if you have to get he lights first then you can do some other things later I really liked that answer but Nick it's a little bit of a trick question like how much money do you need but give us your give us your answer on that one.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so I mean tomorrow because this point you can spend millions right we all know you can spend millions just like if you need a car to get to work you can buy a $2,000 car you can have a Rolls Royce it's still going to get you to work so.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You disguise the limit and then all the toys are out there but I liked what you said and how David how you emphasize on it that a nice.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Teared approach or you know add-ons continuous add-ons like don't let it overwhelm you but start with first and foremost what is the most important talent that's where I would always start.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: What's good about some of the fixtures that are out there specifically something like the CT plus is that.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Pro lights offers is it's it's an LED engine that gives you the ability to do your talent lighting and.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Say in the future you buy some other lights you can then repurpose these they have all the colors as well so you can start using them as yours scenic lights you know it's got the deep blues in it to help give you all the moody purples in the moody blues that are really really.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful to see and so with it tier to approach I'd start with talent.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I then work with atmosphere then maybe I'd add pop and sizzle you know a little bit of fun stuff and then when when you're when you're at that level and you could start looking at bespoke house lighting.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that's when you really take it to the next level when you start being able to color your whole entire space because your house lights are intelligent and control control with your lighting board.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think what mark is brought up though that's a really good point that people do need to think of in the beginning is when it comes to.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The controller and making sure that that is something scalable so what I would always recommend if you're just starting out is looking to something that might be more.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It can still be with the name brand everything but maybe something that's more of like.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: A laptop or a smaller board based system because you can get a lot more for your money which could free up some of your finances to allow you to purchase.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: More actual instruments if you look to get an actual console that is just there to do the lighting you could very, very easily spend.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Ten to 70,000 dollars on it depending on what you want and there are some smaller scalable systems that might run on operating systems and computers that allow you to get a lot more bang for your buck granted your sacrificing.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The actual board like you don't have those physical buttons there's a little bit of keyboard shortcuts there's learning curves but in the beginning it's a smaller investment for the controller but still let you allows you to scale up and it allows you to spend the money on the things that are actually outputting the light for you so you can kind of round out your your image quicker.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and one thing that I want to say here is the pro lights brands steps with you on this process so when you're here in Nick and Marcus say hey maybe we do this console or we do that console.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You know when you get in touch with them and you say I'm looking to do a system I'm looking to buy some lights.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to just sell you on lights they're going to help understand what you need and make sure that it fits for you.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_04]: In the AC lighting brands encapsulate lighting consoles it encapsulates the lights as well and so there's somebody there that can help you so don't feel like you're having to figure this out all on your own when you get in touch with pro lights they'll help walk you through the process but.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Lights can be expensive guys and I'm seeing a lot of churches do these cheap Chinese brands nothing against Chinese brands I think I'm required to say that nowadays but.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Walk us through why cheap lighting can sometimes be a problem and why it may benefit you to spend a little bit more money on a pro light light.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure so what you'll where you'll notice the most.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Corners cut when it comes to the cheaper lights is a it's going to come to output they might not be as bright.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come down to the white to make a really good white you need good LEDs and so what you typically see from a cheaper.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: LED manufacturer is a very muddy greeny it kind of green white.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look that good you gotta do a lot of work on the back end with your camera to make it look really good failures are common because they run a little bit hot.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll maybe they'll overboost their LEDs so something like a like a pro light picture what you end up seeing the difference there.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is you have more diodes.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So you have a mint chip in there

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that you blend in to help make your whites really good.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You have the colors in there.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's put across a multitude of fixtures.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We share the CT plus engine with fornells

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and with profiles, similar LEDs for our powers

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and for our cyclites and everything like that.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And what's really good about that

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: is everything's in the same family.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to learn.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So you might have different fixtures

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but they all operate the same.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lot different than having like a multitude

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of different manufacturers.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Some other stuff you'll notice

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: with the cheaper LEDs is a lack of features.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So specifically, maybe they won't have frequency adjust

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: which can be a really big problem.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can adjust your frequency

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's at a certain rate

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and you have a certain camera,

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: all you're gonna see is flickering.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like when you would video tape a computer screen

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and you see that line scroll up and down,

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: same exact thing.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the rate in which the LEDs are refreshing.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you wanna pay attention to.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: If nothing else, make sure you can get a good white

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and make sure you can adjust your frequency just in case.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Marcus, let me ask you this question.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked a lot about gear and budget.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Does budget involve people as well?

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like does that play into the picture?

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're saying earlier, having the right person

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_03]: in front of the console

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: or being able to design your light plot

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: or anything like that is a huge factor.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You're only as good as the people

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that you have running the system

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: that your church has.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So absolutely, I would say it's maybe the most important part

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: at the end of it all that I've seen.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen really good texts work on bad old systems

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and still make magic happen.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've seen the wrong people

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_03]: on some of the best systems in the world

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and the show's not that great.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So you know, it all comes down to how do I use the tools effectively

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and having the right people in the right seats is a key thing.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that there's also some churches out there

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that may operate a lot on volunteers.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They might not have the budget to have someone

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a dedicated tech.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And in that sort of environment, I'd say,

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it might be money well spent

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure you're talking to somebody like Marcus,

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like myself who knows enough about it

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and can help you and lead you

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and help spec something

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that is gonna be both user-friendly,

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: budget-friendly and be able to give you what you want

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the day and grow into it.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the best volunteer is gonna be someone with an

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: eagerness to learn

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and someone who thinks that the tech in the lighting is cool.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I like, I got my start because I saw

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, tech in lighting sound

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I thought it was cool.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I spent the extra hours after school

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: with my tech teacher just learned the stuff for free

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and I developed a love for it

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's that passion.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can find someone with a passion for it,

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: they're gonna make sure that it looks good.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna help your product just as much

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: as whatever you're putting in the air.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I second that absolutely.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The, in my time in ministry years ago,

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say that I had hundreds of volunteers

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: at the church I worked at that was

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: lots of volunteers and lots of different places.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything from children's ministry,

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: youth ministry too, the full regular services

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and multiple services and audio video lighting

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and just all the different elements and everything.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Finding that person with a right passion is key.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really important thing.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But finding also that they understand

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: the big picture of what you're doing

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: is a huge thing too,

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: that they get why they're there

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and they understand like,

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: they understand the why behind even their volunteering

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and when they understand that, everybody wins

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think it's somebody to hit a button, no problem.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: If they don't understand why they're hitting the button,

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: they might work out for a little while

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's probably not gonna be a passionate thing for them.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So that passion comes with an understanding

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: of where all is together,

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: then you develop team leaders.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You end up developing people who work in the industry,

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if they're in high school or college,

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Asia, whatever and they are a volunteer at your church,

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: those people end up working in the industry

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or they work at another church

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: or they work at that church

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: or something like that over the course of time

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: because they're passionate about it

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and they see the big picture.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They see that vision.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're on board with the church's vision

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but they're also on board with the technical arts vision as well.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So that understanding is a huge thing

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that as I was in ministry, I didn't get it at first.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: When I was first in ministry, I didn't realize that.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And a couple of years in, I was like,

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: wow, the buy-in is really happening

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: when people understand what we're doing here

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and then when we realize we're all a team with it

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're all doing this together for a purpose

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: then everybody's investment level

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: as a volunteer got a lot higher at that point.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the person, when it comes to budget,

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: the person is very important.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether that's training, like you're talking about Nick,

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, so that they understand what they're doing

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: or whether that's paying someone,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's very important here's why.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I like to say that everything that we're working with

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: is an instrument of worship.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: The lighting console is an instrument of worship,

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the lighting, you know, the light is an instrument of worship,

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the sound console, just like a guitar player

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: where a keyboard player, that's their instrument of worship

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: or even a vocalist, that's a vocalist instrument of worship

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: is how they, how they sing.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: This is our instrument of worship

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and everybody's wired differently.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We would never go to our lead singer

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: who does a really good job singing

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and say you're gonna be the main drummer now.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there are some people that are that talented

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but generally, we're not gonna say

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: to the lead singer, hey, go play drums.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not gonna say to the guitar player

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: who just is amazing at guitar, oh,

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I now want you to play keyboard.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So people are wired differently

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and so when you're looking for that volunteer,

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: when it comes to looking for the passion,

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and when it comes to looking for the person

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: who understands the why,

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: there's gonna be some people that are really good

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: at running audio.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: There's gonna be some people that are really good

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: at running lighting.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: There's gonna be some people that are really good at video.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Fortnite, it's the same game

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm horrible at it and my son is amazing at it.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Why would you tell me to go run Fortnite

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_04]: when I'm a really great audio editor,

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really great something else, you know what I mean?

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think talent assessment

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: is also a part of budgeting.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Being able to understand who's good at what,

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: as they go through the process

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and applying the appropriate training

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: or the appropriate staffing into those areas.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of churches missed that

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and when you get the right person

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: on the right job playing the right instrument of worship,

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Marcus, like he said,

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you can have a really bad system

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and they make it shine.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You get the wrong people in those areas

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and you tell that lead singer to go play drums

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and all the sudden the drums doesn't sound good.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the same thing happens with lights,

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: the same thing happens with sound

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think budgeting is not only money

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's also talent assessment and talent budgeting as well.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But let's get back to the practical pieces of budgeting

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and one of the questions I had on here,

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I get this when I go into churches a lot.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I would like both of you to jump in on this

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so I guess we'll start with you first Nick, but why LED?

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: They can't go backwards, right?

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Same reason you want to call instead of a horse

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and bug me, I suppose.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But you just dropped the mic right there, boom.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what are you saying lighting?

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it dropped the light?

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Or yeah, there you go.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Drop the bulb, maybe something dropped the bulb.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not a LED bulb.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We're screwed about LEDs nowadays again

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is you can make it multipurpose.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So before LEDs, you had a single source

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was that color if you jell it

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: or it was just a talent light

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: without any filter in front of it.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So now with that same light, you can go from white,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you can go to blue, you can go to red,

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you can repurpose it as necessary.

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The feature set is just exponentially better.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Energy savings, I know that there's some talk

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: about whether energy savings actually mean anything

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: because of the higher cost and the fixture

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but you can do so much more with them.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much more user friendly.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just, you need less fixtures to do

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: what you want to do because of LEDs.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So you go to that rock and roll thing

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that we were talking about at the beginning.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: If you ever looked at an old school rock and roll rig

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: they had a whole stage left and stage right in the bus.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They'd have six of them on top that a red,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: six in the middle that were blue, six below that green

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and then maybe Amber.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you just need six

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: cause they can do all of that.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's your cost savings.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the you, Marcus?

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, gosh.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The time saved by not having to change

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: the lamps on a fixture and like I don't know how many

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: source four lamps I changed in ministry years and years

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: ago but not having to do that.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The cost for the facilities department

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: to not have to replace lamps in house lights

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that are hard to get to and going with LED house lights

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and hopefully some that are full of color changing

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: with great whites as well but in the house

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: saves all that time and ladders and dangerous situations

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and lifts and all the time goes into a lot of that stuff.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So it becomes a time thing for me.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, yeah power efficiency and everything else is a huge thing

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's amazing.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw some retrofits at AC lighting

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: were also the chroma cue folks and chroma cue

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: has the inspire line and the inspire has gone into so many

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: churches across the country for years

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and I saw projects once that was you know

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you put over 100 inspired fixtures into a room

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and replaced 60,000 watts of light

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: with about 14,000 watts of light

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and the power bill went down by thousands of dollars a month

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because the the wattage was just so much less

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and it got to this point where it's just like you know

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the pastors and the financial people on the

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: the at the church were kind of like why should we

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: why can't we not do this we have to make these changes

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: because LED is so much more efficient

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're saving so much money over the course of time

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: you look at those savings per month

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and then multiply that out.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: The return on investment is huge when it comes down to LED

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: so and your longevity is so much longer

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know less worked and less heat and all the things

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: so.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and also something else to think about is

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know back in the day that single source score was 75 watts

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so on the back end not only is it drawing more power

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but the installation of that power the amount of circuits

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: that you need to have installed

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: your church so that you can run them because you can run one light on a circuit

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: unless you have something that takes DMX or something that

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that helps spread that load but with an LED on the same

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 amp circuit instead of being able to put two

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: source 4 750s depending on the wattage you can put

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: 5, 6, 7 lights on that same circuit so you don't have to

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: run in as much power pay that electrician to come in

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: add to your service panel, run the conduit, put the outlets in

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the lights plug into each other so you don't need to have an outlet

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: everywhere that you need a light you just bring a corridor over to it

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so there's some time to back to your point

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: time and money savings right there.

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot less infrastructure is required absolutely

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and we I feel like we used to have like in a lot of churches especially

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: where built maybe over 20 years ago or so

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: that we used to have a lot of fixtures in the air

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that were really just heaters that output a little bit of light

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and now we have lights that output just a little bit of heat

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's all saying very well said.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah obviously the future is LED I think that's where we're going

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I still get that question you know another question that I get a lot

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Nick I'll throw this one to you um people ask me should I get more lights

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: or should I get more lights with features like should I you know have

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: six lights or should I get two lights with features

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and I know there's some methodology behind how many lights

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: one moving like replaces of static lights

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm just curious from your vantage point your church or pastor out there

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: should I get more lights or should I get more features?

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well you should first identify what your needs and wants are

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because that's what it comes down to.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: More lights doesn't necessarily mean better but moving lights aren't

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily better either because yeah that moving like can in

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: essence replace lights but it can only replace lights

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: in that singular space so if you're lighting a talent here with this

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: moving light and you move this talent here you can't still use this

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: moving light he's too close to the light.

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So in that sort of essence if you have some that moves around

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot in different planes maybe something where you have more

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: features that you can pick them up with from different angles might be

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: better suited for you if you have more than one camera how many cameras do you

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: have that's an important thing to think about if you have more than one camera shot

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to need more lights.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter if you have a really really nice moving light over one camera

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: if you don't have anything over the other camera he's dark he doesn't look good on

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that shot so kind of understanding your needs of your space is where I would start

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: moving lights I always put at the

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they are these start of your rig.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they get added in after.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a nice rig of profiles and funnels

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and pars can do amazing amazing amazing things moving lights are great they really are

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: they are expensive they are expensive to have you need to know how to operate them so

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: back to that volunteer that volunteer better have a lot of time because he's going to

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: have to learn how to program him he's going to have to learn how to use them they take

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: up a lot of universe count so you're going to need to make sure you have a system that can

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: handle them all of that comes into play but if you're just starting off

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: start off with some funnels some pars and some profiles make sure that they can do

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're going LED make sure they can do good white full colors focus if you're in the house

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of worship focus on your deep blues that's where you get your really really beautiful

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: emotical colors like your purples your pinks your lavenders and then make sure they can do

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: white that would be my suggestion was that a mic drop Marcus I think so

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: my only little addition to that would be a nika's right that it's moving head

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: fixtures are typically more of an addition not a replacement for the for maybe static

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: fixtures and high quality static fixtures I was always amazed in ministry how often

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: moving head fixtures happen to be broken and how much they needed repair because you have a

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: robot literally that is moving around your room and at any time that robot could stop doing

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: everything 100% perfectly and now I've got oh it doesn't do this anymore what happened and

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: even the everything from pro lights to any brand if you put a robot hanging in the air in a room

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: you're probably going to have an issue with it at some point in its life you know everything is

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of breaking down on us over time so it's one of those kind of things but it's a great thing

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: to invest in if you want that extra pop in your space but don't give that up at the expense of

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: not having the right primary fixtures in your space you know having having some great static fixtures

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and just having an even wash and maybe having some a touch of color with some park hands

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and that kind of a thing is a that's that's the basics and most churches especially small

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: medium sized churches are going to be happy just to do that I would say to a place where it looks

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: good on camera and everything and if you can do that I think that's a win anything beyond

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that with movers hey you know it's just gravy at that point just a lecture you know what's cool

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: about pro lights as you guys have a light for every need and I can go on your website look around

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and whatever my need is I can find a light that fits that need but let me jump to this and

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Marcus let's stay with you on this what are some key red flags that show you need to upgrade

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: your lighting system I don't make I want to hear your viewpoint on this too but Marcus

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: want you go ahead and answer that first gosh so many things but every every church like we've

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: said so many times is different but you know if you have gaps in your lighting if you are white

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: color temperature is not the same if if you have fixtures if you have DMX infrastructure issues

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: if you have things where you find that maybe some of your fixtures are just kind of dying over time

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: or you have some gaps where you maybe your dimmers if you have an old dimming system that is

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: you know you have dimmer channels that are dying and things like that rarely do systems just stop

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: working altogether it's a very slow painful process of little things breaking over the course of time

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and so you have to get to this point where you say okay it's time to invest in something new

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and I would recommend when you're investing in something like if you need new front lights

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I would not say let's say your church has let's say 40 front lights in it and you get a whole

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: bunch of source for is and you're trying to retrofit there's going to be a cost associated with that

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but what I wouldn't recommend doing I mean sometimes it has to be phase but I would say

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: replace all your front lights and that is phase one not half of your front lights and that's phase one

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: but all of your front lights if you can do it so that way you standardize that at that point

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: where then the next phase would maybe be changing all of your park ends to LED bars of some type

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: or maybe adding some movers at that point and you kind of go in phases like that but as you segment

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: things you see if there's a red flag that say hey I got a whole bunch of dimmers out I got to replace

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: these fixtures you kind of have to you know say this is what we're doing you kind of have to like rip off

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the bandaid and go for it at some point with a certain level of investment wherever that may be

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: for your church so that leads down to saving for a rainy day and having these churches understand

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: that you should always be saying we have this purchase that we made today and we're very happy

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: for it we hope we we made a good investment and we hope we have years of life out of it but

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 years from now maybe 12 years from now we should think about replacing the thing we just bought

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and be preparing for that because gear is going to die and break and things are going to happen

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and you also might want to do something different than you're doing with your programming

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and your whole rig might be different and expanded and you might be a whole different type of

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: worship style and all these different things a decade later that you didn't know on day one 10

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: years later you end up with needing a whole different kind of thing so it all kinds of goes back to

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: assessing what you need and then filling in the gaps where your budget can and and you know doing

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the best you can with that as far as red flags there's so many so many different things but

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: if your lights go out in the service then that's a pretty big red flag that's probably maybe

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: time to you know upgrade your console or either that you've got to pay your power bill right

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's right I'd say if look up at your lights and you can see the dust because they're gray and

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: black you might want to look into upgrade also if you have extension cords because you don't

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: know why that circuit isn't working anymore might be time to upgrade if you've broken out the

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: role of duct tape one too many times also might be time to upgrade yeah I think at all points

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: back to our needs more so than our ones at the beginning of this segment we talked about

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: defining our church right and I'll give you an example of a church that I ran into they had six or

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: seven lights that were down I would say that was an immediate need a big red flag but they decided

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: to hold off on replacing them because their pastor had changed and they wanted to hear the vision

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of the pastor and the worship pastor that he was bringing in and understand what their vision was

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: before they went out and replaced those lights and I thought that was really wise to

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_04]: to understand what your church need is to define who your church is to see the vision to

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: understand the vision because once they got that once they get that from their pastor

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and they have it understood they know the vision they know the need then they can understand the

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: want and what they need to bring in to replace those lights that only broke but the new system

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that they may put in on top of that so I thought that was really wise of that church I think

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: it really sums up what we're talking about today don't necessarily go out and be like another church

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: understand what your church is what the vision of your church is who you are and then put in a

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: lighting system that fits that so amazing insights today I'm so glad you guys were able to join us

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: if you want more information on pro lights go to acliting.com they have a ton of websites there and when

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I say websites there's a lot of different brands when you click on them it brings you into a whole new

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: website that can help you whether you're in a lighting console house lights or moving lights or

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: static lights which is per light you can go into those different areas all at acliting.com Nick Marcus thank

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you again for joining us and bringing some amazing knowledge to our audience pleasure David thank you so much

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: well that wraps things up for today's episode I can't wait to talk to you on the next tech arts podcast

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: until then on David Lawishner signing off by wishing a great day and praying God blesses every moment

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