In this podcast episode, host Celena Lena, youth and program director of the Man Up Club, discusses success and the impact of environment on personal development with guests Payton Bowdry and Emanuel Roberts. Emanuel shares his journey from addiction and homelessness to founding a non-profit, Anything Helps. Payton, a coach and mentor, talks about breaking generational cycles of addiction through education and community support. The conversation explores the role of privilege, the influence of environment, and the importance of personal agency, mentorship, and social media in achieving success, particularly for young Black men.
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[00:00:09] What's up, what's up, you guys? This is The Man Up Club Presents and today we have a wonderful episode for you guys all about success. Okay, I'm your host, Selena Lina, aka Sis from Sis and Low Bro. I am also the youth and program director of The Man Up Club. We are a non-profit organization for young black males between the ages of 13 and 24. The goals of The Man Up Club is to provide them with much success.
[00:00:39] Stay Out of the Prison Pipeline to get a trade or college after high school and to graduate high school. Okay, so if you want to support that, go to themanupclub.org.
[00:00:50] Now, I want to introduce to you guys my two gentlemen here. First is Peyton Boudry. Okay, Peyton is 26 years old and actually I have known him since college days. We didn't go to the same college, but we went through a scholarship program called Act 6.
[00:01:08] It's a scholarship for community leaders. He graduated from Northwestern University with a degree in youth and emerging adult ministry and he is a football and basketball coach for South High in South Minneapolis. Say what's up, Peyton?
[00:01:23] Peyton Boudry. What's good? How y'all feeling? It is. I'm very honored and thankful to be on this podcast.
[00:01:29] Yes, yes. And without further ado, we also have Mr. Emmanuel Roberts. He's 31 years old. He is a proud husband and father of a nine-year-old daughter and he is a founder of the non-profit organization called Anything Helps.
[00:01:43] And he's overcame many things in this life, one of them being addiction. He's also, you know, I don't even want to spoil it. I don't even want to spoil it.
[00:01:53] But say what's up. Say what's up.
[00:01:55] What's up? Pleasure to be here.
[00:01:57] Yes. Okay. So we're going to talk about success. Okay. How does that sound?
[00:02:03] Sounds good.
[00:02:03] Sounds good.
[00:02:05] But first, before we dive into the conversation, let's get to know you guys. Okay. For our listeners out there.
[00:02:13] So, Emmanuel, let's hear about your story.
[00:02:19] My story never sounds the same when I tell it.
[00:02:24] I'm like, I might add this part, take out this part. But, you know, I just choose to go today.
[00:02:30] It's an open space. It's an open space.
[00:02:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13. 13 is the age I started using drugs. You know, my sister introduced me to them. I caught a smoke of weed and I'm like, yo, I'm telling on you if you don't give me nothing.
[00:02:43] You know, kind of like that. And that kind of kicked off my relationship with weed. You know, as it progressed in my early 20s, I moved on to, you know, bigger and better things.
[00:02:55] That involved a lot of stimulants. And, you know, I had my first child in that time, you know, you know, around like 13 to 22, I was homeless as well.
[00:03:07] So, I was dealing with a lot of trauma. One, my dad was in jail when I went, you know, when I was six, he went to jail.
[00:03:16] And he didn't come back until I was 16. But by then, I was a feral human. You know, I didn't have really any structure.
[00:03:25] I didn't, you know, my mom worked a lot. She was trying to raise four kids on her own.
[00:03:29] So, when she wasn't there, we played. And, you know, we got into some things that we shouldn't have.
[00:03:33] But, yeah, at 22, that's when my life kind of changed. You know, I'm just this young kid, you know, suffering addiction.
[00:03:40] And then now I got this baby on the way. And my relationship at the time wasn't great.
[00:03:47] You know, I was trying to fill a void that, you know, kind of like my father left, you know.
[00:03:54] But with that being said, you know, I found myself kind of incarcerated for two years until I was 24.
[00:04:00] And after that, my whole life changed. I just wanted to do something different.
[00:04:06] You know, my uncles, my dad and everybody, they, you know, they were incarcerated.
[00:04:10] They've been through the justice system. They, you know, they, it was drugs, crime, you know, since the beginning of time.
[00:04:21] And, you know, I kind of want to just try something different.
[00:04:24] I knew that life. I wanted to kind of just be something.
[00:04:29] I have like 12 brothers and they all look up to me.
[00:04:34] And, you know, I wanted to show them that you ain't just got to be a gangster.
[00:04:37] You know, you can go to school. You can be a nerd.
[00:04:40] You can, you know, you can do other things that fit you rather than kind of living in your ego.
[00:04:46] You got 12 brothers.
[00:04:47] Yeah.
[00:04:48] No sisters.
[00:04:48] I got three sisters as well.
[00:04:50] Okay, three sisters.
[00:04:50] There's a lot of us right around here. My daddy's Jamaican.
[00:04:54] Where do you fall in the mix?
[00:04:56] I'm a middle child. I feel like my pops was trying to start Wakanda.
[00:05:03] Okay.
[00:05:05] But, yeah, you know, there's a lot of us out there. So there's a lot of eyes on me.
[00:05:09] And as one of the oldest boys in my family, I just wanted to show them a different path.
[00:05:12] And now, you know, I've been eight years sober.
[00:05:16] Wow. Congratulations.
[00:05:17] You know, no substance.
[00:05:19] And, you know, I started two companies.
[00:05:23] One is anything helps. The other is housing helps.
[00:05:26] And a moving company that works as well.
[00:05:28] But we're just working on that.
[00:05:29] But, you know, just trying to, again, break these generational curses, break these mindsets.
[00:05:36] And, you know, build in a different capacity rather than destroy my community.
[00:05:40] Wow, that's amazing.
[00:05:41] Wow.
[00:05:42] Thank God for you.
[00:05:44] That's wonderful.
[00:05:45] Peyton.
[00:05:46] Man, you really got me thinking.
[00:05:48] No, real talk.
[00:05:49] Yeah, the wanting to be different, want to show everybody different.
[00:05:54] When I think of success, for me, that was my motto.
[00:05:58] And I really stepped into that, I would say, my freshman year in high school.
[00:06:04] Everything you just said you went through, I have family members.
[00:06:07] My older brother went through it.
[00:06:09] My mom went through it.
[00:06:11] Dad went through it.
[00:06:12] So when I look.
[00:06:13] Sorry, when you say went through it, what are you talking about specifically?
[00:06:16] The drug addiction, alcohol addiction, loss of hope, you know, just stuck in the cycle.
[00:06:24] And I look at those things.
[00:06:26] I'm like, I don't want to be that.
[00:06:28] I want to be different.
[00:06:30] I want to break that generational curse that's on my family.
[00:06:33] So, yeah, I remember freshman year as I was entering the high school.
[00:06:38] Yeah, I'm going to be different.
[00:06:40] I'm going to watch out for the vices.
[00:06:42] I'm going to take heed of the wisdom that God gave me and also listen to my mentors at the time.
[00:06:49] So because of that, I think that it had set me apart and also made me successful in my own lane where I can be happy.
[00:06:58] I don't have to be swayed by societal norms and stuff like that.
[00:07:05] So would you so you didn't personally struggle with drug addiction yourself, right?
[00:07:09] No, you were.
[00:07:10] But you were watching it from a very, very, very, very, very, very close perspective.
[00:07:14] You said your mom.
[00:07:15] Yeah, my mom.
[00:07:18] Yeah.
[00:07:18] And I remember driving from Chicago with my mom and I just asked her about her upbringing.
[00:07:25] And the thing she was telling me, I was like, I don't know how you survived and how you was able to give birth to two boys.
[00:07:34] But I'm very proud of you.
[00:07:37] So to see that, at least in her upbringing, she didn't really have no role models.
[00:07:42] The drug, sex, alcohol, violence was just very evident in her community at a very young age, too.
[00:07:54] So it was just cool to see that my mom was able to break through.
[00:07:58] But it's only so far you can go by yourself, you know.
[00:08:02] So I think it's huge when we talk about success.
[00:08:05] It also takes a community, too, to help you be successful.
[00:08:08] Right, right.
[00:08:10] When you were watching your family members go through the things that they were going through,
[00:08:16] was it something that you were raised with as far as those grievances?
[00:08:24] Or, you know, by the time your mom had you, she was already, you know, fully healed from that?
[00:08:31] Yeah, I think it was some things that my mom was still carrying.
[00:08:35] And she didn't realize she was carrying those things until me and my brother got older.
[00:08:39] And as we did our own self-reflection, we brought it to our mom.
[00:08:45] Like, hey, mom, did you realize you was reacting this way when we really needed this?
[00:08:50] And those was healing conversations for me and my brother.
[00:08:54] Very vital to our growth journey.
[00:08:58] Yeah, I just think, once again, like the environment she grew in,
[00:09:02] she grew up in definitely played a part in the way she even parented us.
[00:09:08] So, yeah.
[00:09:09] So when you guys think about the way that you were brought up,
[00:09:15] how much privilege did you have?
[00:09:19] Payton, go first.
[00:09:22] Privilege as in financial.
[00:09:26] All of it.
[00:09:27] I mean, what ways were you privileged?
[00:09:30] Like, you didn't have to maybe see certain things growing up?
[00:09:33] Were you ever, okay, let me ask, I guess, let me ask a series of questions.
[00:09:37] Growing up, did you ever worry about eating?
[00:09:42] Yes.
[00:09:42] Oh, you did?
[00:09:43] Yes.
[00:09:45] Was it for years or a certain time period?
[00:09:49] It was moments at the time.
[00:09:50] It was moments at the time.
[00:09:52] You know, the first and 15th of the month, you know, the fridge is full.
[00:09:57] But the day before that, the fridge was empty.
[00:10:02] So, yeah, that was just like an ongoing thing.
[00:10:06] Living paycheck to paycheck.
[00:10:08] Living paycheck to paycheck.
[00:10:10] Yeah.
[00:10:11] Yeah.
[00:10:37] No financial literacy.
[00:10:38] Did you have people around you who was like, hey, education is the way to go?
[00:10:44] Both and I think the big thing is I've seen my mom drive.
[00:10:49] And she was always like, okay, I got to get the next thing because I have two boys.
[00:10:53] I got to get the next thing because my son is looking up to me.
[00:10:58] So, fun fact, she actually graduated college before I graduated.
[00:11:02] Mm-hmm.
[00:11:03] So, I got to go to her ceremony.
[00:11:06] And then two weeks later, she got to go to my ceremony.
[00:11:09] So, that was really huge because, yeah, it was just inspiring.
[00:11:15] Like, okay, you this age, you know, and you still pursuing your hopes and dreams.
[00:11:19] So, yeah, it was her drive that got instilled in me and my brother.
[00:11:24] That's what's up.
[00:11:25] Emmanuel, how privileged, what were your privileges, if any?
[00:11:30] I was raised by pretty much a group of black women.
[00:11:33] And that's something, you know, the drive of a black woman is crazy.
[00:11:36] It's not talked about enough.
[00:11:39] Like, my aunts and my mom and my dad and my uncles, they're all hustlers and gangsters.
[00:11:44] But my mom and my aunts, they're all scholars.
[00:11:46] Wow.
[00:11:46] They're all very, you know, intelligent women, high-level functioning women.
[00:11:51] Like, she was a single mom.
[00:11:53] She had to be, you know.
[00:11:54] There was nobody else that was going to raise us.
[00:11:57] So, you know, my mom is, my mom is, you know, a great person, a person with crazy motivation.
[00:12:04] And I respect and look up to her now that, you know, I'm in this phase of my life and not living in my ego.
[00:12:10] I reach out to my mom for a lot of guidance.
[00:12:13] Yeah, that's really good.
[00:12:15] You know, something that you guys are bringing to my mind is the question of what, or I'm going to put it like this.
[00:12:26] People are products of their environments.
[00:12:29] That is a saying that is said so many times.
[00:12:33] And so we're going to have to dive into your thoughts about that saying in this next segment.
[00:12:38] This is the Man Up Club Presents, and we are here with Emmanuel and Peyton talking about success.
[00:12:44] And I asked the question of what do you guys think about the saying, you are products of your environment.
[00:12:52] People are products of their environment.
[00:12:54] Because when we're talking about success, it's like, okay, the people who you see as successful today, and, you know, both of you are successful.
[00:13:02] It's like, okay, how much of that was because of your environment and how you responded to it?
[00:13:11] And, or is it something that is innate, that is just in you?
[00:13:16] Do you guys agree with the idea that people are products of their environment?
[00:13:23] Personally, yes.
[00:13:25] Okay.
[00:13:28] What did that environment produce?
[00:13:30] Yeah.
[00:13:31] You know, I feel like it can operate at a high and low level.
[00:13:37] Low level, I'm like, you know, I was in survival mode.
[00:13:40] That's what my environment produced.
[00:13:42] But on a high level kind of wave, surrounded by the right people, with the right team, with the right kind of love, that environment also produced something as well.
[00:13:53] And both of them in combination kind of created who I am today.
[00:13:57] I don't regret anything or being a part of any other environment.
[00:14:00] I'm glad I'm the man I am today because of it.
[00:14:03] Like the survival mode kind of cultivated a different type of hunger in me.
[00:14:10] And then, you know, at this level where I'm talking to a bunch of high level people, that curiosity and that ability to learn and, you know, that kind of lighthearted innocence, because I've really never been in this space before.
[00:14:24] That kind of, it's refreshing, you know.
[00:14:29] That's wonderful.
[00:14:30] Here's the thing, though.
[00:14:33] You said, you know, that you grew up in survival mode, right?
[00:14:36] Mm-hmm.
[00:14:37] Okay.
[00:14:37] Let me ask a question before I continue with my thought.
[00:14:42] Did you grow up in the inner cities or in the suburbs?
[00:14:44] Yep.
[00:14:45] I spent my summers in New York and I'm from the east side of St. Paul.
[00:14:49] Okay.
[00:14:49] Wow.
[00:14:50] Okay.
[00:14:51] Did you see a lot of violence growing up?
[00:14:52] Absolutely.
[00:14:53] Yeah.
[00:14:54] Okay.
[00:14:55] So here's the question.
[00:14:57] There's a lot of people that come from the same environments that you do, that live there right now, see the same stuff.
[00:15:06] But a lot of people, unfortunately, they're not going to come out of that.
[00:15:12] Not everybody.
[00:15:13] The fact is, not everybody comes out of that lifestyle.
[00:15:17] There are people who continue to, you know, commit crimes or continue to suffer from drug addiction, continue to be in a loop.
[00:15:29] Mm-hmm.
[00:15:29] You know, unfortunately, until the bullet hits them, you know, and that's unfortunately the reality of a lot of people who are here on this earth.
[00:15:38] So they come from the same environment, but you say that being from the environment you came from, it curated the drive that you have now.
[00:15:47] So then the question is, okay, is that drive for success?
[00:15:51] That was in you then?
[00:15:54] Yeah, I'd say.
[00:15:55] But I wouldn't have it if I'd never went through that kind of testing.
[00:15:58] Yeah.
[00:15:59] You know, I would have never gained that kind of grit if I didn't come from those places.
[00:16:03] There's certain things that mean more because I went through that, you know, and choice.
[00:16:09] Because you have a choice to change your environment, though sometimes it might not feel that way.
[00:16:14] You know, for me personally, I look like I'm, to me, my outlook on life is I'm the creator of my universe.
[00:16:21] I'm the main character, so I got the ability to write my own book.
[00:16:26] So as long as I got the ability to do that, I can change my environment at will.
[00:16:31] If you had to give a percentage of how much your environment molds a person, what would that percentage be?
[00:16:42] Close to 80%.
[00:16:43] Close to 80%?
[00:16:44] Yes.
[00:16:45] That's so interesting, though.
[00:16:46] So it's just, it's interesting, Peyton, because he's like, my environment created, like, it pushed me to have that drive.
[00:16:56] But yet there are so many people that grow up in the same environment, but they don't, that's not, that's not their MO is to get after being successful in goals.
[00:17:07] Peyton, if you had to give a percentage of your environment molding who you are, what would that be?
[00:17:14] I have to agree, 80%.
[00:17:16] What?
[00:17:17] Yeah.
[00:17:17] Y'all blowing my mind right now.
[00:17:20] Y'all are.
[00:17:21] I remember talking to my pastor and he gave me this analogy.
[00:17:25] He was like, two brothers grew up in the same environment, grew up in the same household, had the same parenting, teaching, taught to them and stuff, right?
[00:17:36] One person used that as an excuse.
[00:17:39] The other person used that as a motivation.
[00:17:42] Okay, okay.
[00:17:43] So, but that, see, that drives my point.
[00:17:46] Y'all are saying 80% of your environment dictates, you know, it molds who you are.
[00:17:53] But your example of, oh, two people grew up in the same place.
[00:17:56] One person has a certain mindset about it as they use it as an excuse, like, oh, I'm not this far because I grew up here.
[00:18:02] And then the same other person in that same environment is like, no, it's because of that environment that I'm here today.
[00:18:09] Well, the difference is it's about who the person is.
[00:18:12] My personal opinion is that I would say it's 50-50.
[00:18:20] How successful you are, it's dictated.
[00:18:25] I would even go off to say that 60% it's based on you and how you react to your environment.
[00:18:33] That's 60% of where you end up, but your environment is the other, what, 70-40.
[00:18:40] Yeah.
[00:18:41] So.
[00:18:43] I'd say to your point, your environment does matter because most people that come from my situation don't make it out.
[00:18:50] And the key difference is the perspective that the person has on making it out.
[00:18:55] Like, if you don't know, I didn't know there was a way out.
[00:18:57] Honestly, I didn't even know insurance was a thing.
[00:19:00] We had an insurance dude.
[00:19:01] Like, you know, you go to that person for insurance and it wasn't real.
[00:19:05] You know, I didn't believe in insurance until I was like, until they made me a believer.
[00:19:10] Multiple thousands of dollars later.
[00:19:12] Right.
[00:19:12] But even something as simple as that, I wasn't taught that.
[00:19:16] Right.
[00:19:16] So it's based on a person's perspective and where they're at.
[00:19:21] But your environment can hold you back quite a bit.
[00:19:23] Yeah.
[00:19:24] Yeah.
[00:19:24] It's an outlier for a person to make it out for sure.
[00:19:29] Because then you could flip it, right?
[00:19:31] If you had a kid that grew up in a very successful environment, family-owned businesses, families know how to be creative and tap into that side, that is going to bleed into or, yeah, that is going to go into the child for that point.
[00:19:51] To the point where, like, the child just doing things because he's seen this happen multiple times.
[00:19:57] And that's what we're really seeing in our community.
[00:19:59] What are we seeing in these environments that is being replicated?
[00:20:05] Because you can only go as far as what you see in front of you.
[00:20:11] Just like you said, you didn't know nothing about insurance until years later.
[00:20:17] That one I'm a little embarrassed about.
[00:20:20] But it's the truth.
[00:20:21] It's the truth.
[00:20:22] Like, who was in your community talking about these things?
[00:20:25] No.
[00:20:25] See?
[00:20:26] No one.
[00:20:26] So knowledge is clearly power.
[00:20:30] It's clearly a gateway to success.
[00:20:32] Knowledge is an ingredient to success, right?
[00:20:35] 100%.
[00:20:36] So what are some other essential ingredients to success?
[00:20:42] Is there a specific recipe for success that if people get a hold of, okay, knowledge and XYZ, XYZ, then they can be successful?
[00:20:52] Like, what would you say are the ingredients to success?
[00:20:56] Always be willing to learn.
[00:20:57] Make sure you're not the smartest person in the room.
[00:21:00] If you are, then you need a new room.
[00:21:02] You're not learning nothing.
[00:21:03] If you're not learning nothing, you're not growing.
[00:21:07] Yeah, and community, which basically what he said.
[00:21:15] Having brothers and sisters that is willing to go less with you, willing to push you.
[00:21:25] Like, I'm in a community now where when my bros drop a post, that, like, ignite a fire in me.
[00:21:32] Like, okay, I got to do something now.
[00:21:34] And it's not either jealousy or envy.
[00:21:35] It's just when you see somebody else going 110%, that just motivates you.
[00:21:41] Like, okay, if he can go this far, I could go further, you know?
[00:21:44] So.
[00:21:45] So I'm hearing knowledge.
[00:21:47] I'm hearing wisdom.
[00:21:48] Making sure you're not, you know, the smartest one in the room.
[00:21:51] Yeah.
[00:21:51] I'm hearing community.
[00:21:53] Knowledge, wisdom, community.
[00:21:55] What are personal characteristics?
[00:21:58] Are there personal characteristics to success that you have to have?
[00:22:02] Yeah.
[00:22:02] I think you just got to have that drive and the willing to be different.
[00:22:05] Grit.
[00:22:05] I know you said grit, Emmanuel.
[00:22:08] Success comes with grit.
[00:22:09] Because sometimes, even when you're trying to chase success, you can feel a little hopeless.
[00:22:14] Right?
[00:22:14] And if you don't know how to deal with those lows, the highs won't come.
[00:22:19] You know?
[00:22:20] Mm-hmm.
[00:22:21] Sometimes, man, I feel like an imposter.
[00:22:23] Yeah.
[00:22:23] You know?
[00:22:24] I'm like, damn, do I deserve to be here?
[00:22:27] Am I supposed to be here?
[00:22:29] I'm here, but it doesn't feel right.
[00:22:31] Right?
[00:22:31] And then having people to talk to and guide you, having mentors, that's really important.
[00:22:36] Having people who have been through that route kind of can navigate how you feel and be there for you.
[00:22:41] I have a person named Paula DeSanto.
[00:22:44] She's one of my best mentors.
[00:22:46] Mm-hmm.
[00:22:47] And she has this way about her.
[00:22:48] She just talks so, like, you just believe her.
[00:22:51] She tells you it's okay.
[00:22:52] You know?
[00:22:53] It's okay.
[00:22:54] I ain't got no other worries in the world.
[00:22:55] Having her in my corner and people, you know, that are a part of my success story to other people, man, that helps a lot because they show up when I can't.
[00:23:06] Mm-hmm.
[00:23:06] Yeah.
[00:23:07] You cannot do something.
[00:23:08] So support systems really, really are.
[00:23:09] Yeah.
[00:23:09] You cannot do something big alone.
[00:23:11] Yeah.
[00:23:11] I hear you on the support system.
[00:23:14] That's absolutely huge.
[00:23:15] Peyton, you had mentioned something, and you said when you see your bro post something, it motivates you to go hard, right?
[00:23:22] Yeah.
[00:23:23] You talking about social media?
[00:23:24] Social media or just in our group text.
[00:23:28] Speaking of social media, let's dive into social media and success.
[00:23:34] What's your relationship with social media and success?
[00:23:41] It's almost necessary.
[00:23:43] Yeah.
[00:23:44] Especially now.
[00:23:45] Yeah.
[00:23:46] It's almost necessary.
[00:23:48] Really?
[00:23:48] Yeah.
[00:23:49] We live in a world where you got instant access to everybody.
[00:23:55] Literally everybody.
[00:23:56] It's the best, cheapest version of marketing that you can find.
[00:23:59] Even if you're not a, you know, you're a little bit kind of, you know, not as social as other people.
[00:24:07] Even just putting out things is going to be more effective than you just trying to, you know, word of mouth it.
[00:24:13] We can gain influence much faster.
[00:24:16] Yeah.
[00:24:16] That is true.
[00:24:17] Social media is a very, very powerful tool.
[00:24:21] And it's almost like in today's time, it's almost a key piece in success.
[00:24:27] So you actively use social media for your organizations?
[00:24:30] Yep.
[00:24:31] And I hate it because I'm a little socially awkward.
[00:24:33] But, you know, but it's used to get my message.
[00:24:37] It's a platform that I use to get my message across to the masses.
[00:24:40] That's literally what I use it for.
[00:24:44] Peyton, what's your relationship with social media and success?
[00:24:47] Yeah.
[00:24:48] Honestly, I might have to say the same.
[00:24:52] It's huge now.
[00:24:53] It's a huge influence in our society.
[00:24:55] Everybody from young babies to elders is on social media and being influenced by social media.
[00:25:03] So, yeah, we're going to have to dive deeper into that in this next segment.
[00:25:07] This is the Man Up Club Presents.
[00:25:08] And we're talking about success with Peyton and Emmanuel.
[00:25:11] OK, we're diving into social media.
[00:25:15] You guys are like, it is absolutely necessary.
[00:25:18] We couldn't be we couldn't be more in touch with each other without social media.
[00:25:22] But then on the flip side, social media can also be an illusion to success.
[00:25:30] It can be a barrier to success because with myself, I'm going to put myself personally in this box.
[00:25:38] But, you know, I love social media.
[00:25:41] I'm a content creator, you know, entertainer.
[00:25:44] So, yes, I use it for my own personal businesses and everything.
[00:25:48] But at the same time, I get so distracted by it.
[00:25:51] And at the same time, when I look on social media, you know, I see, OK, Kylie Jenner younger.
[00:25:57] I think she's younger than me, but it's like, OK, here she go with her, you know, billion dollar makeup.
[00:26:04] Beast animal that conquers the world and people out here driving Lamborghinis and people living that girl lifestyle, you know.
[00:26:12] And so it's like.
[00:26:15] How do you how do you sift through that?
[00:26:20] Yeah.
[00:26:20] Kind of just remember my purpose.
[00:26:22] What I want my social media to do is invite you to see.
[00:26:27] Right.
[00:26:27] Invite you to come see.
[00:26:28] It's just an invitation.
[00:26:29] And then when you come in person, you can see what I do in person and see if it matches.
[00:26:33] But that's up to you in your own perspective.
[00:26:35] My job is to get that invitation out to everybody I know so that I can help and be impactful to everybody I know.
[00:26:42] I like what you said when he said my social media is is for for me to invite people to see because that's real.
[00:26:52] You know, it's like let me let you in on my everyday life.
[00:26:55] You know, it's not fabricated.
[00:26:57] Like so what I would assume is that you don't use social media and like the website platforms and things to put out like a little bit of a flex.
[00:27:05] No, I'm saying you use it.
[00:27:06] You use it to just capture what is really going on.
[00:27:10] We got all that out in my 20s.
[00:27:12] You know, I don't need to flex out no more right now.
[00:27:15] I just want to help the community.
[00:27:17] That's it.
[00:27:17] You see how he said he got that out in his 20s.
[00:27:19] Like, see, so for us in our 20s and everybody else who's even 20 and younger, it's like, yeah, that's crazy.
[00:27:28] See, so we do go through the same thing.
[00:27:31] So you being having a little bit age up on us, it's like, OK, so this is a facade and it is a face.
[00:27:38] You mean, that's when you're most arrogant.
[00:27:42] That's when, you know, you're kind of in your prime.
[00:27:44] That's when you're best looking.
[00:27:46] You're most active.
[00:27:47] Nobody got no kids yet.
[00:27:48] You know, like, of course, you got to flex out.
[00:27:52] Part of that is trying to secure a mate.
[00:27:54] Right.
[00:27:54] Part of that is trying to secure success.
[00:27:57] Part of that comes with, you know, but as you as you kind of age, it just comes to you.
[00:28:04] I used to be so like caught up in how I'm going to portray this and portray that where now I want to I want to actually have impact.
[00:28:15] Right.
[00:28:16] And I want that impact to come to me like the people that I attract help the cause.
[00:28:22] Right.
[00:28:23] Not just me and my own personal selfish views.
[00:28:26] And I'm trying to help a bunch of people.
[00:28:28] I need more people than my selfish mind.
[00:28:30] What was that moment for you?
[00:28:33] Hmm.
[00:28:35] Like when it kind of when it when it switch from, you know, I'm trying to pop my stuff, show everybody I got it to now I'm trying to have impact, at least on the social media.
[00:28:45] When I started working with homeless people and outreach, all the clothes and stuff I had seemed very trivial.
[00:28:52] These people have nothing.
[00:28:52] These people in the world ain't got nothing.
[00:28:55] They can't, you know, they can't pop these stuff.
[00:28:58] Right.
[00:28:58] They can't.
[00:28:59] They're not looking as good.
[00:29:00] And I remember I didn't look that good and I didn't care about it.
[00:29:02] And it really means nothing.
[00:29:03] Beauty is fleeting.
[00:29:04] Hmm.
[00:29:05] You know, it's really fleeting.
[00:29:07] As you age, it's less and less important.
[00:29:10] Wow.
[00:29:10] Wow.
[00:29:11] See, that's real wisdom.
[00:29:13] Like that's real wisdom because you've see it's because of what you've been exposed to.
[00:29:20] Yeah.
[00:29:20] That has allowed you to realize, you know what?
[00:29:23] These things, these materialistic things, that's not true success.
[00:29:27] That's not true success.
[00:29:29] What's truly accomplishing success is when you have an impact on people.
[00:29:35] And like you said, you were in front of people who had nothing like working with homeless people.
[00:29:40] It's like, what do you look like coming up to them with a Louis Vuitton belt?
[00:29:44] And like, you know, it's like, oh, this guy is here to help us.
[00:29:48] Like, I mean, what is he, you know?
[00:29:51] So and I'm glad that you mentioned that because that was the experience that I had when I went to Africa.
[00:29:58] And it was on a missions trip.
[00:30:00] I went there.
[00:30:01] And first of all, I'm not one of those people who are going to market and be like, hey, go to Africa and everything's poor over there.
[00:30:06] No, Africa has literally the same stuff here.
[00:30:09] Malls, all commercial stuff.
[00:30:10] But in certain parts, I did go to the specific slums of Nairobi, Kenya.
[00:30:15] And, you know, looking at the lifestyle there, how the students who were going to public schools, like their roofs were literally like metal tin.
[00:30:25] And we were in a classroom that was about as big as this room.
[00:30:29] And it was raining that day when we went to go visit.
[00:30:33] And there was no glass on the window.
[00:30:35] So like the rain would rain in the classroom.
[00:30:38] And, you know, but the students' attitude about being in school.
[00:30:42] And literally there was a dirt floor.
[00:30:44] This is in the slums.
[00:30:45] There was a dirt floor.
[00:30:46] All them kids were still in school.
[00:30:49] And they were still eager to learn.
[00:30:50] And they had the drive to learn.
[00:30:52] Nobody was distracted with social media.
[00:30:55] Nobody, they didn't care about that.
[00:30:58] They didn't care about none of that stuff.
[00:31:00] They cared about their education because it's a privilege to have an education.
[00:31:03] And then me being an American coming back to America, I experienced this thing called reverse culture shock.
[00:31:11] Where, you know, it's like, dang, like, I want to go back over there because the things that I'm caught up over here is not even real.
[00:31:21] This social, I'd be caring about how many likes is on my picture.
[00:31:26] Fair enough, yeah.
[00:31:27] That is not how you measure success.
[00:31:30] It's an easy cycle to get caught up in.
[00:31:32] Yeah.
[00:31:33] Because it's all instant gratification.
[00:31:34] But we work hard to pay a bunch for nothing.
[00:31:39] Yeah.
[00:31:40] Like, whether it's a car, whether it's a house, whether it's having those new shoes or, you know, everybody gets caught up in something.
[00:31:46] But, I mean, is success wearing what you obtained or is it having what you obtained?
[00:31:55] That's a good question.
[00:31:58] And it's the latter.
[00:32:00] It is definitely the latter.
[00:32:01] Mr. Dean, the founder and executive director of the Man Up Club.
[00:32:05] He told me something that I've always kept in my mind.
[00:32:10] But he told me, he said, you know, and this is just real talk.
[00:32:15] Like, you know, compared to.
[00:32:19] In America, you will see more white people who have generational wealth compared to black people.
[00:32:27] Right.
[00:32:28] And he was saying, you know, the thing that he's kind of like noticed, observed is that, you know, people who are wealthy.
[00:32:37] You notice white people don't be flexing, like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:32:42] Yeah.
[00:32:42] In general, generally speaking, they don't be flexing everything they got on.
[00:32:47] But then you see, you know, black people will flex.
[00:32:52] We'll get every single pair of Jordans, you know what I'm saying, to come out.
[00:32:56] All this, the retro, whatever, whatever.
[00:32:58] And it's like, on social media, we look like we flex the dollars and everything.
[00:33:04] You know what I'm saying?
[00:33:05] And it's like, okay, but where are you investing that money, though?
[00:33:10] You know what I'm saying?
[00:33:11] Some of the richest people I know are so cheap.
[00:33:14] See?
[00:33:14] So cheap.
[00:33:15] That's what I'm talking about.
[00:33:16] That's what I'm talking about.
[00:33:18] It's crazy because I actually had a different experience, and both of these brothers was black.
[00:33:25] So I remember this one brother, he picked me and my pastoral for them to take me to the game.
[00:33:32] And from the looks of it, he was ashy.
[00:33:35] Knuckles was ashy.
[00:33:36] He had jeans shorts on.
[00:33:38] Y'all know Minnesota weather.
[00:33:39] It gets cold.
[00:33:40] This was in November, and it was snowing that day.
[00:33:45] And as he was driving, I was just asking him his story.
[00:33:48] He's telling me his story, all the hardships he went through and stuff.
[00:33:52] And I remember we pulled up to the school, and we were just talking outside in the cold.
[00:33:59] And mind you, he had a polo shirt on, some jeans shorts, kneecaps ashy, elbows, everything ashy.
[00:34:06] And I'm like getting distracted.
[00:34:07] Like, brother, you need some lotion, man.
[00:34:09] What's going on, right?
[00:34:11] Like, who is this dude?
[00:34:12] Car nice, but who is this dude?
[00:34:14] And it was just a crazy moment because he stood there and said to me, just because you listened to my story, I got something for you.
[00:34:24] He goes in his car, open up his glove department, and he had a stack of Walmart cars.
[00:34:29] I mean, like, it had to be like 30.
[00:34:31] And he was like, here, I'm going to give you three of them.
[00:34:34] And I was like, oh, okay.
[00:34:36] How much is on it?
[00:34:37] $100 each.
[00:34:38] Wow, that's crazy.
[00:34:41] I was just like, I was just shocked not only because he gave me three.
[00:34:48] I was shocked at the stack that he had.
[00:34:51] Yeah.
[00:34:51] Like, what was you doing with a stack of Walmart?
[00:34:54] Walmart cards.
[00:34:55] For real, like, okay, you the type of person that's willing to give.
[00:34:59] Right.
[00:34:59] You know?
[00:35:00] But when we talk about success, he didn't look successful at all, at least to my perspective.
[00:35:05] You cannot judge a book by its cover.
[00:35:07] Mm-hmm.
[00:35:08] 100%.
[00:35:09] I remember pitching my organization to this old white dude, man.
[00:35:16] He's grown to be a very good colleague, very good friend.
[00:35:20] Within five minutes, he kind of just shut me up and is like, here's 5K.
[00:35:24] What?
[00:35:25] It was the first, like, major donation my organization has ever received.
[00:35:28] Wow.
[00:35:29] And it just blew me away because I'm like, man, I didn't even get my elevator pitch off.
[00:35:34] You know?
[00:35:34] I prepped for this.
[00:35:35] But, man, he just, he sensed our vibe and he was like, huh, you know, just free.
[00:35:41] And it's the first time I've ever been, you know, in a room with somebody like that.
[00:35:45] Mm-hmm.
[00:35:46] Who has just that access to be able to.
[00:35:48] I'm like, wow, what impact could we have if we had people like that?
[00:35:52] Yeah.
[00:35:52] Right.
[00:35:52] Part of what we do, too, we have a non-profit and BIPOC organization where we try to help people grow their organizations as well.
[00:36:04] We plan to kind of help feed the community in that way, too.
[00:36:09] Yeah.
[00:36:09] That's good.
[00:36:11] Yeah.
[00:36:11] That's really good.
[00:36:12] And, you know, while we're on the topic of race and success, let me ask a question to you guys.
[00:36:20] So, you know how people be like, oh, the average Joe, right?
[00:36:26] Because, and Joe, when I think of the average Joe, you know, that's the average white American guy, right?
[00:36:30] Mm-hmm.
[00:36:31] But let's talk about the average Trey.
[00:36:33] I like that.
[00:36:35] Yeah.
[00:36:35] The average Trey.
[00:36:36] And let me just say, and let me just put a disclaimer.
[00:36:38] No.
[00:36:39] And let me put a disclaimer out there.
[00:36:41] Average Trey does not mean, first of all, I'm not talking about, oh, the gangbanger.
[00:36:44] No, no, no, no, no.
[00:36:45] I'm just talking about black man, period.
[00:36:47] Ain't no certain type.
[00:36:48] It's just Trey, okay?
[00:36:50] Do you think that the average Trey is set up to be successful in America?
[00:36:56] No.
[00:36:57] There's a lot more holding Trey back.
[00:37:01] Yeah.
[00:37:01] Obstacles.
[00:37:02] A lot more obstacles.
[00:37:04] As we talked about earlier, you know, what environment did Trey grew up in?
[00:37:10] Hmm.
[00:37:12] What was his living like?
[00:37:14] Who was in his corner passing down wisdom and knowledge and giving them gems and jewels of how to survive in his life?
[00:37:22] We got to dive deeper into Trey's situation.
[00:37:25] This is The Man Up Club Presents on Holy Culture Radio.
[00:37:29] This is The Man Up Club Presents.
[00:37:31] And we're talking about the average Trey, okay, in America today.
[00:37:35] I asked the question, do you guys think that the average Trey is set up to be successful in our country?
[00:37:40] And you guys say no?
[00:37:41] No.
[00:37:43] No.
[00:37:43] Not initially.
[00:37:44] What about the institutionalized racism that's there, you know?
[00:37:51] How does Trey have to portray himself to fit inside this successful world, right?
[00:37:57] Because there's been places where it's like, oh, yeah, you're, you know, I've gotten that kind of, you're one of the good ones.
[00:38:05] Energy, absolutely hate it.
[00:38:06] You know, how much of that is Trey dealing with?
[00:38:08] Hmm.
[00:38:09] You know?
[00:38:10] One of the good ones.
[00:38:11] Elaborate on that.
[00:38:12] There's, you know, when you've broken into this world and you get around specific people, that's what you hear.
[00:38:19] You're one of the good ones.
[00:38:20] And I'm like, what does that mean?
[00:38:21] What is a good one?
[00:38:22] Like, are we all bad?
[00:38:24] Is it more of an outlier that, you know, we can be successful?
[00:38:28] What is a good one, right?
[00:38:29] What is black excellence?
[00:38:31] Right.
[00:38:33] Let's talk about that, black excellence.
[00:38:35] You know, because my cousin, shout out to my cousin, Elijah Thomas, he could have been a black panther, okay, in today's world.
[00:38:44] But him and I were talking about this concept of, I'm losing it, black success, black excellence.
[00:38:53] And he was saying, at one point, I was all about black excellence.
[00:38:58] I was all about it.
[00:38:59] Pushing brothers and sisters out here to be excellent.
[00:39:03] But then, you know, he lived some life and now he's at a point where him personally, he's like, I can't stand the term black excellence.
[00:39:12] I cannot stand this idea of black excellence.
[00:39:14] It's like, no, I'm just black, okay?
[00:39:17] Like, I'm because, and it's kind of like from this mindset of, it's like, okay, well, because you're black, you got to do extra good.
[00:39:26] Because you're black, you got, it's not enough to have an A, but you got to have an A plus.
[00:39:32] What, have you guys experienced that?
[00:39:34] I know that Trey just kind of, I mean, I said Trey.
[00:39:38] We talking about the average Trey.
[00:39:40] The average Trey.
[00:39:41] Emmanuel just said that, but Peyton, what's your take on it?
[00:39:44] That is all in coaching culture, especially towards our black athletes.
[00:39:49] My first year coaching at a youth age, we was playing against the suburban team.
[00:39:56] And that was the first game I had to coach through racism.
[00:40:02] And it was tough because you don't want to say the reason why we lost the game is because we are a black team in a white environment.
[00:40:16] But reality was, we was a black team in a white environment.
[00:40:21] And it was just so crazy.
[00:40:23] I remember this referee telling me that I need to put a muzzle in one of my players' face.
[00:40:29] Oh.
[00:40:30] Yeah, it was bad.
[00:40:31] It was bad.
[00:40:34] And I remember my old coach came up to me because I was about to call the game at that moment.
[00:40:39] Because I was like, this is getting way too out of hand.
[00:40:41] And he was like, Peyton, if you called a game, you're teaching your kids how to quit.
[00:40:48] Yeah.
[00:40:48] And for me, that stung because, one, I don't want to put anybody through what we just went through.
[00:40:56] I don't want to look at my kids and be like, because you're black, you have to be bigger.
[00:41:00] You have to be better.
[00:41:01] You have to just take the beating.
[00:41:05] Right.
[00:41:06] But that's kind of the, how I want to say, the, I say, lack of better words, teaching that was taught to at least me and my peers from the older generation.
[00:41:19] Is that you just have to accept this in your life.
[00:41:23] This is part of your life.
[00:41:24] You know?
[00:41:25] So when we talk about the average trade, like, did average trade go through a series of events where he just had to take the beating?
[00:41:35] And how does that impact his identity and his success story?
[00:41:39] Mm-hmm.
[00:41:40] Yeah, you get a lot of different variations of trade that way.
[00:41:43] Yeah.
[00:41:43] Yeah.
[00:41:44] I don't like the idea that black excellence is just a lucky shot.
[00:41:48] Right.
[00:41:49] There's excellent people in our community.
[00:41:51] That's right.
[00:41:51] We're inventors.
[00:41:52] We're engineers.
[00:41:53] We create.
[00:41:54] We're responsible for a lot of the coolness.
[00:41:58] Right.
[00:41:58] That's around, right?
[00:41:59] The music, the media, like, we're everywhere.
[00:42:03] The creativity.
[00:42:04] Excellence is everywhere.
[00:42:05] It's everything.
[00:42:06] Yes.
[00:42:06] It's not just a lucky shot.
[00:42:08] I love that.
[00:42:10] Because it's within.
[00:42:11] Mm-hmm.
[00:42:12] It's within.
[00:42:12] It's not something that we have to strive to be.
[00:42:15] Yeah.
[00:42:16] It's something that you just are because you are.
[00:42:19] You have to cultivate it within yourself.
[00:42:23] I mean, due to the barriers that exist in this world, we do have to try a little bit harder,
[00:42:27] and that's just how it's been.
[00:42:29] Mm-hmm.
[00:42:30] But that doesn't have to be a bad thing.
[00:42:32] Mm-hmm.
[00:42:32] It can be a challenge.
[00:42:33] Yeah.
[00:42:34] Accept that challenge.
[00:42:35] Yeah.
[00:42:35] Be better because you want to be better, not because of what society's placed on you.
[00:42:40] You know, a lot of people, they begin to kick out of making people or fooling people
[00:42:47] in a good way.
[00:42:49] Like, you know, I know a lot of people who they're just like, you know, I just love like
[00:42:56] being like, gotcha.
[00:42:58] Like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:42:58] It's like, okay, you see me this way.
[00:43:00] Okay, I'm gonna let you think that.
[00:43:02] And then you're gonna turn around and it's gonna be, no, like, it was actually this and
[00:43:06] I'm actually this.
[00:43:08] And you're gonna be the one looking stupid because you looked at me judging me.
[00:43:12] You know what I mean?
[00:43:13] Yeah.
[00:43:15] So, have you guys had an experience with that?
[00:43:18] I mean, I'm sure you have.
[00:43:20] Personally.
[00:43:21] But specifically, yeah, like, has there been a situation you've come across in life where,
[00:43:25] you know, maybe somebody looked at you and was like, oh yeah, he ain't gonna be nothing
[00:43:28] or, you know, oh yeah.
[00:43:31] Go ahead.
[00:43:31] Yes.
[00:43:32] Personally, I got tattoos on my face.
[00:43:36] Tattoos everywhere.
[00:43:37] Sometimes I'll pull up to the functions with my goals in my mouth just to be a little ratchet.
[00:43:41] You know?
[00:43:42] In this crazy world, right?
[00:43:45] I don't feel like I'm supposed to be here and I feel like there's people that feel like
[00:43:48] I'm not supposed to be here.
[00:43:49] And I'm not, but I am.
[00:43:51] You know?
[00:43:52] That's how I like to show up.
[00:43:54] Just a little bit.
[00:43:54] So you have to accept me.
[00:43:56] Like, yeah, you might have those preconceived notions, you know, because I look the way that
[00:44:00] I do, but this is who I am.
[00:44:02] And it forces you to have to know me, not just on a superficial level.
[00:44:06] Right.
[00:44:07] I love that.
[00:44:07] I remember working and I was talking to a sister and we was talking about just my ministry
[00:44:16] and stuff.
[00:44:17] I want to be a pastor at the time and stuff.
[00:44:19] And at the time I had a little Afro and she was like, you, you gonna go on stage and preach?
[00:44:26] Yeah.
[00:44:27] With your Afro?
[00:44:28] Yeah.
[00:44:29] Yeah.
[00:44:29] Well, I'm not going to go to your church and listen to you.
[00:44:32] And I'm like, because of my hair?
[00:44:34] Yes.
[00:44:35] Past is supposed to have a low cut fade.
[00:44:37] Da, da, da, da.
[00:44:38] I'm like, wow.
[00:44:41] So it's interesting.
[00:44:42] We talk about black excellence and what it looked like.
[00:44:46] One of my mentors, Benny Roberts, I'm going to shout him out.
[00:44:48] Shout out to Benny because I know Benny too.
[00:44:51] Benny is my dog.
[00:44:53] I remember he told me, what do success look on Peyton?
[00:45:01] And that rocked me for like two, three weeks.
[00:45:04] I'm showing up to work still trying to figure it out.
[00:45:06] Like, yo, what did he mean by that?
[00:45:09] And that was some great wisdom because it told me I don't have to look successful for somebody else.
[00:45:17] I don't have to do things just to please somebody else.
[00:45:21] My success doesn't have to, you know what I mean?
[00:45:24] Had to, yeah.
[00:45:26] Look a certain way.
[00:45:27] Look a certain way.
[00:45:28] Act a certain way.
[00:45:28] I'm successful.
[00:45:30] Exactly in the lane, exactly in the clothes and the style that I am and the person that I am, I'm successful.
[00:45:37] And I think that's black excellent.
[00:45:41] Period.
[00:45:42] Yeah.
[00:45:43] Period.
[00:45:44] Okay.
[00:45:45] And while you're talking about Benny, actually, that's one of the things that I remember from him.
[00:45:50] Just thinking about him.
[00:45:51] I remember him specifically making a point to say, you know, he was like, I'm a leader for Urban Ventures.
[00:46:02] And he was like, and what I love about my job is I can show up here and I can be in dreads and I can wear my jeans.
[00:46:10] Like, I ain't got to come in no suit, you know?
[00:46:13] And that's what he loves about his job.
[00:46:16] Now, that's just a beautiful thing, you know?
[00:46:19] And that's another thing that a lot of people have to struggle with, though, is, you know, being successful and entering certain rooms and going higher levels and code switching.
[00:46:32] Oh, yeah.
[00:46:34] Yeah.
[00:46:35] Yeah.
[00:46:36] Have you guys code switched before?
[00:46:38] I feel like everybody has.
[00:46:39] I was going to say I have.
[00:46:40] Intentionally and unintentionally is part of the culture.
[00:46:45] I've been in front of police.
[00:46:47] Code switched right away.
[00:46:48] Oh, wow.
[00:46:49] All of a sudden I got great posture.
[00:46:51] I'm speaking very formally, you know?
[00:46:53] Oof.
[00:46:54] Yes.
[00:46:55] Code switching is real.
[00:46:56] But, you know, here's the thing about it.
[00:46:58] The more that I talk about code switching, I'm coming to accept that, you know, to have good posture, like you said, and to...
[00:47:08] What was the other thing that you said?
[00:47:11] You had good...
[00:47:12] Speaking more formally.
[00:47:12] Speaking more formally.
[00:47:13] That is not white, y'all.
[00:47:15] No.
[00:47:16] That is not white.
[00:47:16] And we have to stop with that.
[00:47:18] But my version of code switching is just doing things I normally wouldn't do.
[00:47:22] I don't speak that formally.
[00:47:23] My posture is not that great.
[00:47:24] See?
[00:47:25] You know, I'm switching up the way I am to appease or appeal to you.
[00:47:29] Not based on your race, just trying to finesse a little bit.
[00:47:35] To be relatable.
[00:47:36] Yeah.
[00:47:36] But you don't think of code switching in a, you know, a racial way.
[00:47:39] You think of...
[00:47:40] Oh, that happens.
[00:47:40] That happens for sure.
[00:47:41] But personally, I'm like, no, not really.
[00:47:43] I try to be as genuine and authentic.
[00:47:46] And usually, if you won't deal with me in my authentic way, then I don't need to deal with you.
[00:47:50] Mm-hmm.
[00:47:50] You won't do business with somebody who...
[00:47:52] No, because if you have judgments about who I am, why am I doing business with you?
[00:47:56] Mm-hmm.
[00:48:22] Mm-hmm.
[00:48:22] I'm not gonna completely open myself up to you.
[00:48:27] So, yeah.
[00:48:28] But as far as code switching, that's definitely prevalent in our culture.
[00:48:31] Super prevalent.
[00:48:32] See, and that's wisdom, Peyton.
[00:48:34] That's wisdom.
[00:48:36] Is, yeah, you know, you're not supposed to show every single side of you to every single person.
[00:48:42] Like, that's not using discernment.
[00:48:43] Right.
[00:48:44] You know what I mean?
[00:48:44] Like, okay, you go into a job interview.
[00:48:46] You're not gonna go into the job interview the same way you're gonna pull up to your friend's house.
[00:48:50] True.
[00:48:50] You know?
[00:48:51] Yeah.
[00:48:52] So, you have to exercise wisdom.
[00:48:55] Mm-hmm.
[00:48:55] So, yeah, we're talking about success on the Man Up Club Presents.
[00:48:59] So, I'm hearing so many gems from you gentlemen, you know, some of them being you have to have a mentor.
[00:49:06] Mm-hmm.
[00:49:06] Mentor is key, you know?
[00:49:10] Being humble is key.
[00:49:12] Like you said, Emmanuel, like, don't...
[00:49:15] Make sure that you're not the smartest one in the room.
[00:49:17] Mm-hmm.
[00:49:18] I think that success means being a follower and also a leader at the same time.
[00:49:26] It's like you're further along than someone in your circle or someone you're influencing, but also there's someone that's further along than you.
[00:49:35] Yeah.
[00:49:35] Because it allows you to be like, okay.
[00:49:38] It allows you to have a whole perspective.
[00:49:41] There's a difference between a boss and a leader.
[00:49:43] Yeah.
[00:49:44] Mm.
[00:49:44] Mm-hmm.
[00:49:45] A boss and a leader.
[00:49:47] Mm-hmm.
[00:49:49] Talk about that for a second.
[00:49:51] And then we'll dive deeper into it.
[00:49:52] But just, like, basic level, what's the difference between a boss and a leader?
[00:49:56] A leader listens to their team.
[00:49:59] A boss controls their team.
[00:50:02] So that has been The Man Up Club presents on a segment about success with Peyton and Emmanuel.
[00:50:09] Last words, final words for success.
[00:50:12] Surround yourself with people who's going to uplift you and motivate you.
[00:50:16] Emmanuel?
[00:50:18] Don't be scared to jump off the porch.
[00:50:20] Mm-hmm.
[00:50:21] Sometimes you got to just jump and grow wings later.
[00:50:23] Yeah.
[00:50:24] Love it.
[00:50:24] Love it.
[00:50:24] Well, this is The Man Up Club.
[00:50:26] We teach life skills, social skills, academic discipline, and civic responsibility.
[00:50:30] Make sure you guys tune in to The Man Up Club every single Tuesday.
[00:50:33] Okay, I'm sorry.
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