734. Reece Lache's Journey of Faith, Music, and Transformation | Praise Podcast

In this podcast episode, Holy Culture's James Rosseau, engages in a deep conversation with Reece Lache, who shares their transformative journey to faith in Christ and their experiences in the Christian hip-hop scene. Reece recounts a life-threatening car accident that led her to call out to God, marking a pivotal moment in her faith. They discuss her transition from secular to Christian rap, the support from her church community, and the creative process behind her music. The episode also explores the challenges of balancing ministry and business, the importance of resilience, and the Reece's growth as an artist and producer.

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[00:00:00] Where are you right now in this moment? How would you describe the moment you're in right now?

[00:00:04] I'm in a good place. I'm learning continuously, man. It's a lot to learn. I'm growing so much,

[00:00:15] and that's kind of what the project that I've been working on is all about. You got green,

[00:00:22] talking about growth. So I'm growing, man, and I'm appreciating the growth.

[00:00:29] That's what it seems like. I've been watching your journey, it feels like, for three years at least.

[00:00:36] I feel like it's been longer. It's probably been longer than that.

[00:00:38] I feel like it's been longer. Yeah, it's probably more like four. Actually, you did the interview with King Size.

[00:00:43] We were already rocking before that, and that was probably in 22.

[00:00:46] Homie, yeah. Yeah, I wish he could have came by today.

[00:00:50] Does he live right now? He lives 30 minutes from here.

[00:00:52] Oh, yeah. Shout out. Sizzle, if you are in the area, you need to stop by before Risha Shea leaves at 2 o'clock.

[00:01:00] I'm going to stay here until you get here.

[00:01:02] I'm going to text him at a break. I'm going to text him at a break to make sure he knows you're here.

[00:01:06] Because actually, I probably dropped the ball on letting him know you're here.

[00:01:09] So one of the things that you said, when I said total transformation, you said total.

[00:01:13] Total.

[00:01:14] What led you to Christ?

[00:01:17] It was a lot. It was a lot. Too much.

[00:01:22] I was in a really bad space in life, and my life was literally falling apart.

[00:01:29] I read something the other day where somebody said, you ever been so broke, you feel like you about to die?

[00:01:35] That's a meme. It's supposed to be funny, but the times that I was in, I was so broken.

[00:01:43] I was so like, it's unexplainable where my life was before Christ.

[00:01:51] And I can remember, I didn't even believe in God, but the first thing that happened that made that, that was that lead to him.

[00:02:02] I was on my way to work one day, and it was raining.

[00:02:08] And I tried to get over and switch lanes, and there was a car there, didn't know.

[00:02:14] And I hurried up and tried to, you know, swerve back, and I started spinning in the middle of the road.

[00:02:21] Now, again, I didn't believe in God, but as I'm spinning in the middle of the road, and a lot of people probably heard this story before,

[00:02:27] but it's like my life just slowed down, and I could hear, like, the cars going, chum, chum, chum.

[00:02:34] And just everything slowed down, and I remember dropping the wheel, and I just dropped my head, and I was like, God.

[00:02:42] And when I opened my eyes, I was on the side of the road.

[00:02:46] What do you believe made you cry out to God since you weren't a believer?

[00:02:51] In that moment?

[00:02:53] They always say, they always say you call on God in those times when, you know, you're either broken, like, your life is, you're feeling some type of threat in life.

[00:03:05] And that's what it was for me.

[00:03:07] Like, I felt, I thought I was about to die.

[00:03:09] Wow.

[00:03:10] Wow.

[00:03:11] Wow.

[00:03:12] So that's 2003.

[00:03:13] Well, that's before 2013.

[00:03:15] That was 2012.

[00:03:15] 2012.

[00:03:16] So then, from there, what brought you to Christian hip-hop?

[00:03:21] I was already rapping, like, in the world, but not really.

[00:03:25] I thought I was doing something.

[00:03:29] And I remember telling my sister, man, I can't rap no more.

[00:03:32] I can't do it no more.

[00:03:35] Because I just gave my life to God.

[00:03:36] I just told him that I was going to, you know, like, come out of homosexuality, change, and do, you know, switch the way I dress.

[00:03:42] And I'm like, okay, well, I can't rap no more.

[00:03:44] And my sister said, why don't you do Christian rap?

[00:03:47] And I was like, what?

[00:03:50] Why would I do that?

[00:03:51] What even is that?

[00:03:53] And I laughed.

[00:03:55] But then I started doing research.

[00:03:57] Like, I went to YouTube.

[00:03:59] I mean, Google and typed in Christian rap.

[00:04:00] I found the truth.

[00:04:02] I saw a video of the truth with Ty Tribbett.

[00:04:06] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:06] And I was like, oh, yeah.

[00:04:08] Yeah, I could do that.

[00:04:11] And it's been a journey.

[00:04:14] Who am I?

[00:04:15] That's what it was, right?

[00:04:16] It's been a journey ever since.

[00:04:18] That truth in Ty Tribbett, Joan.

[00:04:19] Who am I?

[00:04:20] We might have to play that later.

[00:04:21] That's a joint still splams.

[00:04:24] What, so interesting, right?

[00:04:28] It sounded like you're almost saying you went cold turkey out of homosexuality.

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:33] Yeah.

[00:04:34] How difficult was it?

[00:04:36] At the time, it wasn't difficult.

[00:04:38] In the beginning, there was no difficulties.

[00:04:40] Okay.

[00:04:41] It was as if God literally took me.

[00:04:43] He took that thing.

[00:04:45] And he, because, again, but I also went through a season of, like, I was seeing so many miracles.

[00:04:52] I didn't even care.

[00:04:53] This was after the accident.

[00:04:54] After you called God.

[00:04:55] Yeah, after the accident, I started seeing it.

[00:04:57] It was just, like, left and right.

[00:04:58] Miracle, miracle, miracle.

[00:05:00] So I didn't care.

[00:05:01] Gotcha.

[00:05:01] Like, I knew that God was real.

[00:05:03] So when I told him, you know, okay, I'll do it.

[00:05:06] It was like, I didn't care about nothing.

[00:05:09] Okay, you'll do what?

[00:05:10] We mean, okay, you'll do it.

[00:05:11] That I'll, you know, go back to, well, at the time I was saying, go back to being a girl.

[00:05:17] I was always a girl.

[00:05:18] Gotcha.

[00:05:19] You know.

[00:05:19] Yeah.

[00:05:20] Trying to, you know, be a boy or whatever.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:22] Gotcha.

[00:05:23] Gotcha.

[00:05:24] So during that year, before you came to Christian hip hop, what was the journey like?

[00:05:28] Were you able to find a healthy, well-balanced church?

[00:05:31] Were you able to have people around you or helping disciple you?

[00:05:34] Or were you kind of on your own?

[00:05:36] How would you describe that period?

[00:05:37] Yeah.

[00:05:38] So after the accident, I started going to a church at the time I was in Virginia.

[00:05:45] Grace Church, always my home.

[00:05:48] No matter what home I go to, I have, you know, everywhere I move, I find a new home, but that's

[00:05:53] my home.

[00:05:53] So, um, I started going to church and, and I always hear these stories about people who,

[00:06:00] you know, they live the lifestyle and they say like, you know, churches, you know, and

[00:06:05] I see the things, I see how, uh, disrespectful people can be when you're living that lifestyle

[00:06:13] or you show up, God made you a man and you show up as a woman in church.

[00:06:18] I can see that.

[00:06:19] But for me, it was not that.

[00:06:20] For me, it was welcoming.

[00:06:22] They loved me.

[00:06:23] They, they immediately started to, you know, add me to certain things, you know, whatever,

[00:06:29] whatever they had going on, they included me.

[00:06:31] Gotcha.

[00:06:32] So, yeah.

[00:06:33] That's good.

[00:06:34] Now you're born and raised in Louisiana.

[00:06:36] Born and raised.

[00:06:37] How many places have you lived?

[00:06:38] Because you're back in Louisiana.

[00:06:39] No, no, no.

[00:06:40] I live in Tulsa right now.

[00:06:41] You live in Oklahoma?

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:43] Have you ever heard of Ada, Oklahoma?

[00:06:46] ADA?

[00:06:47] No.

[00:06:48] No one has ever heard of Ada.

[00:06:50] So that's why I work for years.

[00:06:52] Okay.

[00:06:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:53] Well, we were living in Dallas and I would go to Ada, usually Monday, come back Thursday

[00:06:58] night or Friday morning.

[00:06:59] And yeah.

[00:07:00] I go to Tulsa every now and then.

[00:07:01] Okay.

[00:07:02] Okay.

[00:07:03] How long you been in Tulsa?

[00:07:04] I've been in Tulsa since November.

[00:07:08] November.

[00:07:09] What made you move?

[00:07:10] Um, I had like an opportunity.

[00:07:16] Um, I have some family out there.

[00:07:18] Like I have sisters that live in, um, Oklahoma city.

[00:07:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:07:22] Um, so I just, I'm never shy to move in.

[00:07:25] Gotcha.

[00:07:26] Gotcha.

[00:07:27] That's a, that's a pretty big move.

[00:07:29] Yeah.

[00:07:29] Like, uh, culturally from Louisiana to Tulsa is a pretty decent.

[00:07:34] Like what's the, what's the appeal for you?

[00:07:36] But I've always been like, I've lived in Atlanta.

[00:07:39] I've lived in Virginia.

[00:07:40] I moved to Virginia with my grandma for like a year when I was in the fifth grade.

[00:07:45] So I've always like, you know.

[00:07:47] Right.

[00:07:47] I mean, but I'm just trying to understand what, what, what, what's the appeal, right?

[00:07:51] Because most people, when you ask them where they're going to move, there's been a, obviously

[00:07:55] a huge migration to Atlanta, you know, North Carolina, Miami, Chicago.

[00:08:00] I want to say Philly cause I'm Philly born, bred, raised New York, but you don't hear

[00:08:05] I'm going to Tulsa.

[00:08:06] Tulsa is dope.

[00:08:07] Tulsa is dope.

[00:08:08] That's why I want you to elaborate.

[00:08:10] Tulsa is a very artsy place.

[00:08:14] Everywhere you go is art.

[00:08:15] It's very, it's dope.

[00:08:19] Like I can't explain it.

[00:08:20] I like it when I go.

[00:08:21] When I moved, man, when I moved to Tulsa, everything just went like, I ended up like, uh, the,

[00:08:26] the girls that were dancing in the lean, uh, video, I met them on like a, I didn't know

[00:08:33] who they were, but they knew who I was.

[00:08:35] Gotcha.

[00:08:35] The girl, she had already made a video to stay low.

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:39] And, uh, I met her now her husband, my pastor, you know?

[00:08:43] Nice.

[00:08:43] Yeah.

[00:08:44] So.

[00:08:44] Tulsa's working.

[00:08:45] Tulsa's working.

[00:08:46] Tulsa is working.

[00:08:47] What's the story behind the song?

[00:08:48] Can't take that.

[00:08:49] Can't take that.

[00:08:50] I'm sorry.

[00:08:50] What's the story behind that song?

[00:08:51] Um, it's really not deep.

[00:08:54] I just, when I, when I, when I came up with that hook, I had some stuff that tried to

[00:09:00] make me, break me, but it made me.

[00:09:02] Right.

[00:09:03] I'm not capping when I say the devil hate me.

[00:09:05] Yeah.

[00:09:05] But I, I, man, I went through so much, bro.

[00:09:09] I went through so much in, in, in it's okay.

[00:09:14] I'm gonna tell the truth.

[00:09:15] Yeah, please.

[00:09:15] Thank you.

[00:09:16] Cause I'm in, in December.

[00:09:19] I mean, in January when I released for such a time, that's what lean and all that I produced

[00:09:24] that entire project.

[00:09:27] And, um, the day before, and people heard this story, but the day before I released

[00:09:31] the project, I had a homie hit me and, and he hit me up to let me know like why he don't

[00:09:37] follow me.

[00:09:38] And this is my, this is a bro.

[00:09:39] He's like, bro, you bro, you bro.

[00:09:41] And he, you know, hit me up.

[00:09:43] I don't follow you, you know, but he sent it in a text.

[00:09:46] So I called him.

[00:09:48] Um, but he, you know, he was apologizing.

[00:09:50] So I'm like, I'm, I'm gonna call him because you know, what's up?

[00:09:53] And, um, and I, and you know, we started talking and, and I said, so what was it?

[00:10:00] Like, did I do something like, what, what was it?

[00:10:03] Right.

[00:10:04] And he said, I just got tired of the space.

[00:10:06] Like I got tired of seeing everybody do the same stuff and you know, everybody's sold,

[00:10:12] you know, people in Christian hip hop is just standing in front of the camera and rapping.

[00:10:16] And I, and I, I took it personally when I shouldn't have.

[00:10:20] Yeah, I gotcha.

[00:10:21] So when he said it, because I asked him a personal question, like, what was it that made

[00:10:26] you like we found.

[00:10:28] Right.

[00:10:29] But what was it that made you, you know, say I'm not rocking with her no more.

[00:10:32] And he, and he said, I got tired of everything and every seeing the same people do the same

[00:10:38] stuff.

[00:10:38] And I was like, in the Christian hip hop space.

[00:10:40] Yeah.

[00:10:40] So I was like, so I went, a lot of people then.

[00:10:44] I don't know.

[00:10:45] So, but he told you specifically, he texted you to let you know.

[00:10:48] He texted me and was like, he texted me and was like, I'm a pod.

[00:10:52] I just want to apologize for separate myself from you.

[00:10:56] And who's I called?

[00:10:57] And I, I'm like, so, so, so this is what happened.

[00:11:02] So I went, like, I have people that I go to, like, I have friends that are not within the

[00:11:07] space.

[00:11:08] Um, and I went to one of my friends and I ran up the conversation and she was like, like,

[00:11:14] he dumped on you.

[00:11:15] And I, and I'm like, so confused because I'm like, I thought I was doing good.

[00:11:21] Like, I'm about to produce my own project that's dropping tomorrow.

[00:11:24] Right.

[00:11:25] By the way.

[00:11:26] And now I'm like, this project is trash.

[00:11:30] This is, this is, I got to do better.

[00:11:32] Like, so I took it personally and then I started to apply those things to me and I, and I started

[00:11:37] to feel insecure, like about what I was doing and I was doing great.

[00:11:42] Right.

[00:11:42] I was doing great.

[00:11:43] Like this is my first project I ever produced.

[00:11:45] It's not the, it wasn't the best.

[00:11:47] No, but I did.

[00:11:48] It was a good project.

[00:11:49] I did.

[00:11:49] I did great.

[00:11:50] It was a good project.

[00:11:51] I did great.

[00:11:52] And, um, and, and I took those and I'm a vet, like I'm an overthinker.

[00:11:57] I overthink a lot.

[00:11:59] So I took that and I just let it soak.

[00:12:02] And I'm like, everything that I was writing and doing, I'm like, man, this, this is not

[00:12:06] good enough.

[00:12:06] I'm not, I'm not good enough.

[00:12:08] And I went through an entire season of like this dark, like, uh, one comment.

[00:12:13] No.

[00:12:13] Well, it was, it wasn't just that one comment, but it was things that it was, it, it kept

[00:12:19] happening.

[00:12:20] Okay.

[00:12:20] Like different people, like the enemy was sending people.

[00:12:22] And I'm not saying that like, you know, this person is not a child of God or anything

[00:12:26] like that, but we all like, we go through things sometimes and sometimes the enemy can't

[00:12:31] get the best of us.

[00:12:31] And, and it just was back to back, just like people.

[00:12:35] And then I wrote a song called D&B and I haven't, I haven't released it yet, but I did a song

[00:12:40] called D&B.

[00:12:40] I put my phone on do not disturb.

[00:12:42] I was on do not disturb for like three months.

[00:12:45] Wow.

[00:12:45] Kid you not.

[00:12:46] My phone was on do not disturb for like three months.

[00:12:49] I wasn't talking, I couldn't talk.

[00:12:50] I don't want to talk to nobody within like, you know, the space people was hitting me

[00:12:55] up.

[00:12:57] Like, and people don't normally hit me up to get on songs, by the way.

[00:13:00] It's a very, like a very small amount.

[00:13:03] For features?

[00:13:03] Yeah.

[00:13:03] It's a very small amount of people that asked me for features.

[00:13:06] But at that, in that season, people kept asking.

[00:13:09] Interesting.

[00:13:10] Asking, asking.

[00:13:11] And I'm like, I'm fighting for my life right now.

[00:13:14] I'm fighting for my life.

[00:13:15] And, um, and well also at the same time, I, I, I have ADHD like really bad.

[00:13:21] So I, I, I stopped taking, um, like Adderall and I'm like, I'm, I'mma just, I'mma, I'mma

[00:13:28] just, I'mma just do, you know, life.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:32] And, um, and so that was also a part of it where I'm like fighting all these things.

[00:13:37] Yeah.

[00:13:38] And the reason I stopped taking it is because when I moved, they gave me a different, um,

[00:13:44] medicine.

[00:13:44] It was like by dance or something like that.

[00:13:47] And then I started having like, uh, like, like sexual desire.

[00:13:50] So I'm like, okay, that we can't do.

[00:13:53] And so I'm, but at first I didn't know it was the medicine.

[00:13:56] I just was like crying.

[00:13:58] Like, God, like what's wrong with me?

[00:13:59] I'm going through this.

[00:14:01] I'm going through this test and I can't figure it out.

[00:14:03] And God, like, but it was the medicine.

[00:14:05] Oh my God.

[00:14:07] So what's crazy is you started with, there's nothing behind the song.

[00:14:11] Yeah.

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:20] But you're, you're, you're a multi, um, I was going to say complicated.

[00:14:23] Complicated is not the right word.

[00:14:25] You are comprehensive and multidimensional as an artist.

[00:14:29] And I don't even know if you know this or not, or you do this or not, or you put all

[00:14:31] these things together.

[00:14:32] When I've watched you over these four or five years plus, I've watched storytelling without

[00:14:40] necessarily planning the storytelling.

[00:14:41] I don't plan any.

[00:14:43] Right.

[00:14:43] I can see you writing these vignettes in these stories about your past, even sharing video

[00:14:48] clips about pre Christ and things like that and talking and telling these stories.

[00:14:52] And so there's like this continuum of you unveiling your life, but then also these insertions

[00:14:59] of, okay, in this moment, this is how I'm feeling.

[00:15:02] Yeah.

[00:15:02] Right.

[00:15:02] And so I could, when I, when I watch your different songs and whatnot, I'm intentionally

[00:15:06] listening to what you're saying because I appreciate how you put art together.

[00:15:09] And I'm telling you, I see a timeline of you telling your life story, but then I also

[00:15:14] see these moments where you're like, right.

[00:15:18] This is it right now.

[00:15:20] I'm coming off the story for a second because I got to do with this.

[00:15:22] And then I got to do with this.

[00:15:24] And so, and so that's how I felt with, uh, with, with can't take it.

[00:15:28] Um, I felt like it was, uh, uh, like a moment of a pit stop of, yeah, I'm telling my

[00:15:34] journey, but there's some things that have happened in this recent season that I got to get

[00:15:39] off my chest.

[00:15:40] Absolutely.

[00:15:41] See, that's crazy.

[00:15:42] You put it that way.

[00:15:42] I would have never put it that way because it would have took me a minute, but I like

[00:15:47] that.

[00:15:49] That's absolutely what it is.

[00:15:51] That's absolutely what it is.

[00:15:52] That's why I said we got to talk about it because I just, and Jay asked me to ask you

[00:15:55] this question about the song too.

[00:15:56] So shout out to Jay.

[00:15:57] Um, cause then I listened to it again and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:00] I see it.

[00:16:01] Um, and your artistry that way is to me just a part of your brilliance.

[00:16:05] Um, matter of fact, in recognition of your brilliance, I have a little gift for you.

[00:16:10] Oh, it's not that, it's not that big of a gift.

[00:16:12] It's big.

[00:16:13] It's not that big of a gift.

[00:16:13] You want to open it now?

[00:16:14] It's big.

[00:16:15] You can open it.

[00:16:15] I know what it is.

[00:16:16] What do you know?

[00:16:17] How do you know what it is?

[00:16:18] What is it?

[00:16:19] Oh, I thought I knew what it was.

[00:16:20] Okay.

[00:16:21] Um.

[00:16:22] Just something so you remember us.

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[00:16:27] I left my water bottle.

[00:16:28] But it's one of those, it's one of those insulated.

[00:16:30] I got my water bottle taken at the airport.

[00:16:32] See?

[00:16:32] Because I forgot to pour the water out.

[00:16:33] How timely is that?

[00:16:35] One of those nice insulated.

[00:16:36] This is beautiful, guys.

[00:16:37] Listen, if you don't have one of these, you need a Holy Cochran water bottle.

[00:16:40] You know, we actually do not.

[00:16:41] But you can't have this one.

[00:16:42] We don't sell them.

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[00:16:51] So, um.

[00:16:51] Yeah.

[00:16:52] So, I.

[00:16:52] Okay.

[00:16:53] So, thanks for sharing that.

[00:16:54] Because now I feel.

[00:16:56] Um.

[00:16:57] Yeah.

[00:16:57] I feel like, okay, you validated my, the way I think about how you present your art.

[00:17:01] And so, to that point, one of the things that's interesting to me is you produce.

[00:17:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:07] Obviously, you write.

[00:17:08] Um.

[00:17:09] But you sing.

[00:17:10] But you kind of keep it under wraps.

[00:17:14] I, I didn't think I was keeping it under wraps.

[00:17:17] Like, people always comment.

[00:17:18] Like, if they hear me sing live, people will comment and say, like, you sing?

[00:17:22] And I'm like.

[00:17:23] So, maybe that's it.

[00:17:24] Y'all be listening?

[00:17:25] So, maybe it's not under wraps.

[00:17:26] It's just not fully recorded.

[00:17:27] I think, I think.

[00:17:29] I confuse people with the auto-tune.

[00:17:31] Or people are confused with auto-tune.

[00:17:33] Because when people hear auto-tune, they think it's just the auto-tune.

[00:17:38] Right.

[00:17:39] There's a specific sound that, like, you can tell if.

[00:17:43] Oh, I know you're not auto-tune.

[00:17:44] If a person can sing or not.

[00:17:45] I know you're not auto-tune.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] But I think there's this layer in between singing and rapping that a lot of rappers have moved to, right?

[00:17:50] Of being able to do melodic choruses.

[00:17:52] And so, I think right now, many people think you're in that melodic chorus, right?

[00:17:57] Segment.

[00:17:58] You actually can sing.

[00:17:59] Like, I was watching you sing this song a little bit, Come To Me.

[00:18:02] And I said, well, okay.

[00:18:03] Why is that not recorded and published?

[00:18:06] It was a song already.

[00:18:08] I just started playing.

[00:18:09] So, then do a cover.

[00:18:11] Do a cover.

[00:18:12] Go to Easy Song.

[00:18:13] I'm oversimplifying it, but get the license and redo it.

[00:18:17] It sounded really good.

[00:18:19] Wait, I have to get licensed for my own song?

[00:18:22] You will have to get publisher clearance to redo a song.

[00:18:26] If it's already been published, right?

[00:18:28] You're saying it's already been out.

[00:18:29] Yeah, but it's my song.

[00:18:31] Oh, it's your song.

[00:18:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:33] Come To Me.

[00:18:34] Okay.

[00:18:34] Come To Me.

[00:18:35] Come To Me.

[00:18:36] You wrote and did that?

[00:18:37] Yeah.

[00:18:38] When was it released?

[00:18:41] Oh, 2021.

[00:18:43] It's on the All Love Project.

[00:18:45] I totally missed that.

[00:18:46] Yeah, it's on 2022.

[00:18:48] All right, so erase everything I just said.

[00:18:49] Because I totally missed that.

[00:18:50] Yeah.

[00:18:51] Okay.

[00:18:52] So, okay.

[00:18:53] All right, my bad.

[00:18:54] Totally missed that.

[00:18:55] Okay, so when we come back, we have to explore more with registration.

[00:18:57] I've just got so many questions about how you're doing now, too.

[00:19:01] Because to me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong when we come back,

[00:19:05] I see you flourishing this year in a different way.

[00:19:08] Despite all the stuff you said about unfollow, messing up your confidence for a second,

[00:19:14] making you question everything, I feel like this is a year of flourishing.

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:19] Because I can't take that no more.

[00:19:20] Yeah.

[00:19:21] Yeah.

[00:19:21] That's it.

[00:19:22] One of the things that I wanted to ask you about was, what's the state?

[00:19:27] Well, it's actually a two-part question.

[00:19:28] Talk about how you view ministry and business.

[00:19:35] Uh-oh.

[00:19:36] I haven't figured that part out yet.

[00:19:38] Mm.

[00:19:39] Say more.

[00:19:39] Honestly.

[00:19:40] Honestly.

[00:19:43] I'm getting there.

[00:19:44] Okay.

[00:19:44] Because business is a little more difficult than ministry.

[00:19:49] How so?

[00:19:52] Because with ministry, you just, it's ministry.

[00:19:58] Just show up.

[00:19:58] You just show up.

[00:20:00] You do or try your best to do what God says do.

[00:20:03] Right.

[00:20:03] Um.

[00:20:04] And be your best.

[00:20:06] Right.

[00:20:07] As Christ say.

[00:20:08] But then within the business, it's a little more difficult.

[00:20:14] Elaborate.

[00:20:15] I mean, you can't just lay that up there and not.

[00:20:19] What's difficult?

[00:20:20] Um.

[00:20:22] You have to be able to, in some ways, separate it sometimes.

[00:20:33] From ministry?

[00:20:34] Sometimes.

[00:20:35] Um.

[00:20:36] And the reason I say that is because not everybody runs their business as a ministry.

[00:20:43] Understood.

[00:20:44] Absolutely.

[00:20:45] Some businesses are more ministry-based.

[00:20:48] And some ministries are more business-based.

[00:20:52] Mm.

[00:20:53] Mm.

[00:20:53] And you just gotta know, you know, what's what.

[00:20:58] Mm.

[00:20:59] Mm.

[00:20:59] I heard someone say, uh, I wanna make sure I get the right person credit.

[00:21:03] I think it was Ebony Funderbrook.

[00:21:04] We were at the NAGR breakout or conference doing a Stella Awards.

[00:21:10] And I think Ebony said, many times we conflate.

[00:21:14] Yeah.

[00:21:14] Ministry and business.

[00:21:15] Right.

[00:21:15] And it's not, and it's not healthy for us.

[00:21:17] It's not a healthy conflation.

[00:21:18] Okay.

[00:21:19] Do you feel that takes place sometimes?

[00:21:20] Like, things get intertangled and we can't have a clear conversation sometimes about ministry

[00:21:26] or sometimes about business and them not get intermingled inappropriately?

[00:21:31] Uh.

[00:21:33] I have to say that I honestly do not know.

[00:21:36] Okay.

[00:21:37] I'm not the best when it comes to business, man.

[00:21:40] I'm not the best.

[00:21:41] So that means you must have a brilliant team because you are moving.

[00:21:43] No.

[00:21:44] I just, I'm, I'm like, I keep God in everything I do.

[00:21:48] Mm.

[00:21:48] That's good.

[00:21:49] I'm like, my team is real.

[00:21:51] Like me and my, the, uh, Shalon, she handles all my bookings.

[00:21:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:21:56] Everything else I do.

[00:21:57] But like I said, this is a flourishing year for you.

[00:22:00] How would, okay, let's, let me ask this question.

[00:22:02] How would you compare and contrast where Rich Lachey is in 2024 versus 2022?

[00:22:08] Ooh.

[00:22:11] How would I compare it?

[00:22:12] What has changed for you?

[00:22:16] I believe that I've grown so much mentally.

[00:22:22] Um, it's so hard to explain.

[00:22:30] Um, in 2022, I, I, I was rapping.

[00:22:34] I'm like, I'm doing this thing for God and nothing was happening.

[00:22:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:41] And I, I, I started to tell myself I can't do this much longer.

[00:22:46] Yeah.

[00:22:46] Um, I don't know what I'm going to do, but, but, but God, I don't know if I can keep doing

[00:22:52] this thing.

[00:22:53] Um.

[00:22:54] What, what, what was making you even have that conversation with yourself?

[00:22:57] Uh, so.

[00:22:58] With the Lord.

[00:22:58] So I was pouring so much into music.

[00:23:01] Yeah.

[00:23:01] I was pouring everything I had.

[00:23:04] That's when I was learning beats.

[00:23:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:06] Because I didn't have the money.

[00:23:08] I don't have the money to pay for.

[00:23:09] Wait a minute.

[00:23:09] You telling me you just started producing in 2022?

[00:23:11] No, I, I mean, no, I started in like, well, I don't know what I'm going to do.

[00:23:17] I, I, okay.

[00:23:18] I told myself I was going to make beats in 2022.

[00:23:21] I said, I'm going to start making beats.

[00:23:23] Okay.

[00:23:25] And then I kind of started playing with it and I was like, hmm, maybe this is not the

[00:23:29] right thing to do.

[00:23:30] Let's just go back to buying beats.

[00:23:33] And then when did you start making beats then?

[00:23:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:40] The song, uh, Run.

[00:23:42] Yeah.

[00:23:42] And that was what, last year?

[00:23:44] And that was the first, that was, that was.

[00:23:46] But like songs like Green, Lean.

[00:23:48] All those, yeah.

[00:23:49] You produced them.

[00:23:49] All those.

[00:23:50] That's crazy.

[00:23:50] So you're telling me you've been producing less than five years?

[00:23:53] Yeah.

[00:23:53] Oh, that's crazy.

[00:23:54] Yeah.

[00:23:55] That is crazy.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:56] Less than, less than two years.

[00:23:58] Those songs.

[00:23:59] Yeah.

[00:23:59] That's crazy.

[00:24:00] Okay.

[00:24:01] All right.

[00:24:01] So now let's go back.

[00:24:02] So what, all right.

[00:24:03] So that's a big compare and contrast moment.

[00:24:04] You went from buying beats, leasing beats, dah, dah, dah, to fully producing your material.

[00:24:10] Yeah.

[00:24:10] That's a big change.

[00:24:11] Yeah.

[00:24:12] It's huge.

[00:24:13] But those, and that's the difference between the Reese then and the Reese now.

[00:24:18] Like I was broke.

[00:24:18] I couldn't pay for beats.

[00:24:20] Yeah.

[00:24:20] Uh, I couldn't, it was a lot of stuff I couldn't do, but I never gave up.

[00:24:24] So I just found another way.

[00:24:26] Find another way.

[00:24:27] Find another way.

[00:24:28] That's a good tip for everyone.

[00:24:29] Yeah.

[00:24:29] And now it's like, I could pay for beats now, but I,

[00:24:32] but I don't have to.

[00:24:33] You said, I could pay for beats now.

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:36] But I don't have to.

[00:24:38] Fine.

[00:24:38] Okay.

[00:24:38] So let's stay there for a second.

[00:24:40] Find another way.

[00:24:41] How did you find another way?

[00:24:42] Man, I, the, the day that I said, I'm going to start making beats.

[00:24:45] I like kind of just like broke down to God.

[00:24:48] I got on my knees and I'm like, God.

[00:24:50] And it wasn't even about money.

[00:24:52] It was about me pouring out all this, all this content and, and pouring out this music.

[00:24:59] And it's like, you know, I'm not being heard.

[00:25:02] I'm tired.

[00:25:03] I'm also broke and I don't know what else to do.

[00:25:06] God, please tell me what to do.

[00:25:09] Help me.

[00:25:10] God help me.

[00:25:12] And I came up and I said, I'm going to make some beats.

[00:25:14] And, and that's when I started to do the, the, I was calling it like a hip opera, the hip opera thing where I was like acting it out.

[00:25:26] I don't know if you saw those.

[00:25:27] I didn't see that.

[00:25:28] Yeah.

[00:25:28] I started doing like a hip opera and I was making the beats for it.

[00:25:31] And then I started rapping over them and like doing this whole storytelling thing.

[00:25:36] And, um, I got to go check that out.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:38] I removed them.

[00:25:39] Well, there you go.

[00:25:40] That's why I haven't seen them.

[00:25:41] Okay.

[00:25:41] Yeah.

[00:25:42] And, um, and I did that and then I kind of gave up on it.

[00:25:46] So I'm like, okay, we're going back to buying beats and, and you know, this thing.

[00:25:50] That is so interesting.

[00:25:51] Okay.

[00:25:52] Okay.

[00:25:52] So now I'm producing.

[00:25:53] Full-fledged producer.

[00:25:55] Full-fledged producer.

[00:25:56] Are you producing for other people too?

[00:25:57] Or just yourself right now?

[00:25:58] Not yet.

[00:25:58] I sent, I've sent out a few beats to a few people.

[00:26:01] Okay.

[00:26:02] Just, uh, like I make my own beats.

[00:26:04] Yeah.

[00:26:04] And if it's something where I'm like, I can hear somebody else on that, then I'll send it to them.

[00:26:09] Gotcha.

[00:26:10] Okay.

[00:26:11] So that's a perspective on ministry and business and you're still navigating and figuring it out.

[00:26:15] Small team, one person helping you do your booking, you're managing everything else,

[00:26:19] which means you're managing your finances, your registrations, all the admin stuff, your publishing, all that.

[00:26:25] Reese Lachey LLC is a publishing company.

[00:26:29] Oh, so you are doing everything and you're traveling like a champ.

[00:26:33] You're doing a show or two a week.

[00:26:34] You want to move.

[00:26:35] That's what I said.

[00:26:35] It's a flourishing year.

[00:26:36] So then how would you describe the state?

[00:26:39] Because right now you're full-time.

[00:26:40] Yes?

[00:26:40] Yes.

[00:26:42] How would you describe the path to getting to full-time in this, in this work?

[00:26:49] My path?

[00:26:50] Sure.

[00:26:51] Because people want to learn.

[00:26:52] I think people want to learn other people's path.

[00:26:55] One of the things that I talk about a lot on this show is just career journeys, right?

[00:26:58] And I think everyone's career journey can be drastically different,

[00:27:02] but we want to look at examples and hopefully pull something from them, right?

[00:27:06] So there's this delicate balance, I think, of learning from other people's journey,

[00:27:09] but realizing the Lord may have something totally different from you.

[00:27:12] Yeah.

[00:27:13] But still, to the extent you feel comfortable sharing,

[00:27:15] like what was your journey to saying,

[00:27:17] oh yeah, this is going to pay the bills.

[00:27:19] This is going to do the thing.

[00:27:20] For me, it was a lot of trial and error.

[00:27:24] A lot of trial and error.

[00:27:26] A lot of setbacks.

[00:27:28] A lot of, I learned through those trial and errors though.

[00:27:32] The reason I created the publishing company is someone came to me

[00:27:37] and they wanted to publish my music.

[00:27:42] And at the time, like I didn't even know anything about publishing.

[00:27:46] Right.

[00:27:48] So when I found out and I started to learn,

[00:27:52] I'm like, why would I give that to them?

[00:27:54] And so I created it.

[00:27:56] Got it.

[00:27:57] Got it.

[00:27:57] And that's kind of how my journey has been.

[00:27:59] Like all this time.

[00:28:01] Gotcha.

[00:28:01] All this time has been like, you don't have this, you know, create this.

[00:28:09] Right.

[00:28:09] And I've just been, like my entire life is creating.

[00:28:12] Gotcha.

[00:28:13] Who does your artwork for your covers?

[00:28:14] I do my own artwork.

[00:28:15] I knew you were going to say that.

[00:28:16] So you do.

[00:28:17] So you write it.

[00:28:18] You create the graphic illustrations.

[00:28:20] You manage your socials.

[00:28:21] Yeah.

[00:28:24] So what's your sleeping patterns like?

[00:28:27] I sleep good at night.

[00:28:28] Sometimes.

[00:28:29] But when I'm, see, because I be having bad seasons where I'm like,

[00:28:33] I'm up all night.

[00:28:34] There's been times like that season I was in before where I was like going

[00:28:39] to sleep at 5 a.m.

[00:28:42] Um, but you know, I'm good now.

[00:28:45] I sleep.

[00:28:46] Okay.

[00:28:47] So you're constantly creative, constantly on the road.

[00:28:49] How would you describe?

[00:28:50] So again, I, we, before we started on the show, I was saying that I think people

[00:28:55] will be pleasantly surprised that you're full time because I do think there's a

[00:28:59] perception that one, it is tremendously difficult.

[00:29:03] It's not impossible to make it in Christian hip hop unless you are like Lecrae or Andy

[00:29:08] or KB or no big deal in Indie tribe or Miles Minnick.

[00:29:14] Right.

[00:29:14] Because they, these, these names I'm saying, I think almost everyone knows in Christian

[00:29:18] hip hop.

[00:29:19] You've become a more recent name.

[00:29:21] I think that a plethora of people know.

[00:29:23] Right.

[00:29:25] But I think again, people will say, Oh, I'm not sure.

[00:29:27] You know, if you're not one of them, seven, eight, 10 names, you can do it.

[00:29:32] Right.

[00:29:33] But you've been able to do it.

[00:29:34] Yeah.

[00:29:34] How would you describe the state of, of Christian hip hop for women?

[00:29:38] How would you describe that?

[00:29:39] Um, yeah, I feel like we're in a good place.

[00:29:45] That's good.

[00:29:46] With like last summer we did stay low.

[00:29:49] Then we did the stay low remix.

[00:29:50] Yes.

[00:29:51] Um, one day just dropped the album.

[00:29:53] Shout out to one day.

[00:29:54] Shout out to a Nika.

[00:29:56] Nika.

[00:29:56] Oh my God.

[00:29:58] We're all still, we're all still adjusting.

[00:30:01] The album is great.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:04] Um, I think we're in a good, a good space.

[00:30:07] Um, we still have a lot of room to glow, glow, glow.

[00:30:11] Right.

[00:30:11] We still have a lot of room to grow.

[00:30:13] And, um, I think we're going to do great.

[00:30:17] I think we're going to be fine.

[00:30:18] What do you think the areas of growth are?

[00:30:20] Um, I would say like, um, like collaborating.

[00:30:33] Um, um, and I think, and I say that because I believe that with, with that will be more seen

[00:30:43] and more women will be, um, noted.

[00:30:47] Gotcha.

[00:30:48] So, um, I was, yeah, I would say that collaborating.

[00:30:50] Collaborating.

[00:30:51] What, what can others in the industry do to be more helpful to be more helpful in, for women and Christian hip hop?

[00:31:00] For women.

[00:31:01] Um, I don't, I can't really say, cause I don't think, I don't think this might sound bad y'all,

[00:31:10] but I don't think people should, uh, like show us like special treatment just because we're women.

[00:31:19] Mm.

[00:31:19] Like, I don't think, I just don't, you know, I think we should be held to the same standard as everyone else.

[00:31:28] And, you know.

[00:31:31] Oh, we're going to have to come back on that one.

[00:31:33] I, I, I like the thought.

[00:31:34] I just want to, I just want to unpack that thought a little bit, particularly given where you are in it.

[00:31:39] Yeah.

[00:31:39] Um, that is an interesting perspective I did not expect to hear.

[00:31:43] So, I want to hear more.

[00:31:45] Thank y'all for Instagram live.

[00:31:46] For those who are there, I'm going to make sure we ask some of those questions.

[00:31:49] We've got questions around, man, top five artists right now, excluding yourself.

[00:31:55] I can't exclude myself.

[00:31:57] King legend.

[00:31:57] Ooh.

[00:31:59] Uh, Jay's perspective on what you ended with that women shouldn't be given preferential treatment.

[00:32:04] We got to touch on that.

[00:32:05] And then a question about, you know, advice for artists, particularly new artists in this space.

[00:32:09] So let's, let's start where we left off.

[00:32:11] You said to my point of the state of women in Christian hip hop and what those, those who can should do to help.

[00:32:18] You said, well, maybe there shouldn't be preferential treatment.

[00:32:20] So I want to unpack that, but I want to, I want to give you a visual to kind of unpack it.

[00:32:25] So for me, whenever I think about an ecosystem, I always think about like, is it made for everyone to run it?

[00:32:33] Um, at the same pace, same distance.

[00:32:35] So for example, you know, when you go to a, when you go to a track and field events, like great, there's staggered lines.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:40] I remember explaining this to my son when we, you know, my son was younger.

[00:32:43] God dog, he's old now.

[00:32:44] But he, when he was younger, it's like, you know, it's not fair.

[00:32:46] He was talking about something that's not fair.

[00:32:47] And I said, well, a lot of things are not fair.

[00:32:49] Right.

[00:32:50] The only place fairness is the only place they try to insert fairness is there because, because the circumference is different.

[00:32:56] They change the staggered, they put the staggered lines in to make sure everyone gets the same opportunity.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:01] So with what you said, do you believe women have the same opportunity in CHH?

[00:33:06] Um, well, now that you put it that way, um, well, yeah, for the, for the most part, um, I think, okay.

[00:33:19] So when it comes to, um, man, this is so difficult.

[00:33:26] It's okay.

[00:33:26] This is, this is all family listening and watching.

[00:33:28] It's all family.

[00:33:31] There's nothing wrong.

[00:33:32] You can say there's nothing.

[00:33:33] Um, some, sometimes.

[00:33:36] Sometimes not.

[00:33:37] Sometimes there are the times where you'll see the tours and it's like 10 men and one woman or it's 10 men and no women.

[00:33:48] Um, so with that being said, yeah, but, but then you also have to look at tour as business.

[00:34:02] Right.

[00:34:02] And, um, when people are putting on tours, they're putting people on that they think are going to bring out a crowd.

[00:34:11] Fair.

[00:34:11] And even for myself, like, I don't look at tours and say, man, why do you, why didn't they put me on?

[00:34:18] I, I, I can't go.

[00:34:20] Well, now I'm getting to a place where people are like, Oh, Reese with Shay.

[00:34:24] We know.

[00:34:25] You got a sold out event tonight.

[00:34:26] Yeah.

[00:34:27] So now I'm, now I'm at that point where people actually know who I am.

[00:34:31] Right.

[00:34:31] And, um, that's the difference.

[00:34:35] Like in Nique, she can go on tour because people, people will come out.

[00:34:38] Child like CC.

[00:34:39] Child like CC.

[00:34:40] Right.

[00:34:41] Child like CC.

[00:34:41] But, but you see now, now the women within the space of Christian hip hop are growing.

[00:34:46] Right.

[00:34:46] And now you're seeing also the opportunities are growing.

[00:34:50] Okay.

[00:34:51] So you feel like, so you feel like it's getting there.

[00:34:54] It's getting there.

[00:34:54] But it's also up to us.

[00:34:56] That's why I said what I said.

[00:34:57] I got you.

[00:34:58] I said, I don't think we, I don't think we need less, less, less, you know, put that out there.

[00:35:02] Um, when I say like, we, I don't think we need, um, you know, special treatment or anything like that because it's up to us.

[00:35:11] It's up to us to create great music.

[00:35:13] Yep.

[00:35:14] It's up to us to put our faces in, you know, these places.

[00:35:17] Right.

[00:35:18] And, and it's up to us to do the work, do the work that's necessary.

[00:35:22] That's right.

[00:35:23] Um, and some of us are blessed and I'm one of those people, you know, I, I'm not going to take credit.

[00:35:27] I'm going to give the credit to God.

[00:35:29] And then I'm also going to give the credit to like, um, you know, me being a part of reach records playlist, you know, that, that took me, that helped me a lot.

[00:35:40] Yeah.

[00:35:40] Um, yeah.

[00:35:42] So, so with that, um, I think, I think that the women were going to be fine.

[00:35:48] There's opportunities though.

[00:35:50] I, you know, if, if, uh, you know, I was going to ask you what, what can platforms and what can platforms and such help?

[00:35:58] And if so, how, but I'm, I'll throw myself on the chopping block for a second.

[00:36:02] Right.

[00:36:02] I mean, if you look at Holy Coach Radio, we've got 18 shows.

[00:36:06] Only one show is led by a woman.

[00:36:08] Renee Day.

[00:36:09] That's right.

[00:36:10] And another show now just added a woman, right?

[00:36:13] Amy on, excuse me, I'm sorry.

[00:36:15] The Fix in the Morning with Dice Gamble.

[00:36:16] Right.

[00:36:17] You got Raina Day who leads that show.

[00:36:19] And then you've got Amy who just joined Church on the Block, but still three out of 15 shows.

[00:36:23] The rest of the shows are black men for the most part.

[00:36:25] Right.

[00:36:25] And so I remember someone saying that to me and I said, oh, oh, um, I've got to work on that.

[00:36:31] Right.

[00:36:32] And so there's still work to do.

[00:36:36] Got it.

[00:36:37] Oh yeah.

[00:36:37] Mia from 116.

[00:36:38] Thank you, Max.

[00:36:39] Yeah.

[00:36:39] So we got four shows.

[00:36:40] And so I do think that we are often, um, we are often in our own echo chamber and pick people we're comfortable with.

[00:36:49] And that's why I think diversity is always a topic to talk about, diversity, equity, inclusion.

[00:36:54] And I include women in that mix because it's like playing, you know, pickup games back on, you know, you play basketball.

[00:37:00] So you know how it is when you want to pick people for, you know, who you're going to play with a game.

[00:37:03] A lot of times you didn't pick people based on I've analyzed their skill set.

[00:37:07] You pick people you're comfortable with.

[00:37:09] Get married.

[00:37:10] Mary's on my squad.

[00:37:11] Joey's on my squad.

[00:37:12] You know, there's my boys on and so forth.

[00:37:14] I'm not sure when you're doing pickup games like that, you're analyzing all the players and their skills.

[00:37:20] Right?

[00:37:21] I do.

[00:37:22] Well, you do.

[00:37:22] I think you're an anomaly.

[00:37:24] I don't think a lot of people.

[00:37:25] Like, oh, he, oh yeah, I'm picking him up.

[00:37:27] I think a lot of people pick who they're comfortable with.

[00:37:29] Yeah, that's true.

[00:37:30] And that happens in corporate environments and every ecosystem who you're comfortable with.

[00:37:33] How do you get comfortable with people?

[00:37:35] Yeah.

[00:37:35] Building relationships and spending time with people.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:37] And so what I feel like I need to do, and I've tried to work more at this, is when I go to different events and whatnot, spend more time with those I don't know.

[00:37:47] And I'm an introvert.

[00:37:48] You think what I'm saying?

[00:37:48] So for me, that's extra work.

[00:37:50] That means, you know, let me go meet and spend time with, you know, back years ago, Angie Rose or Bianca Love or Toya Love or different people that know different people.

[00:37:59] I can't change the sound mixture of the station if I don't get to know some of these people.

[00:38:04] Yeah, that's facts.

[00:38:04] And see if they might be good for this.

[00:38:06] You think that's true across other platforms and whatnot in terms of lack of opportunity?

[00:38:15] I think it can be.

[00:38:16] Okay, since you brought up pick up games, right?

[00:38:20] Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:21] I was at the basketball court one day.

[00:38:24] Yeah.

[00:38:24] And it was, it's always so many guys and the guys are like, they so rude.

[00:38:30] But like they don't pick up.

[00:38:32] And I can play, like I can ball.

[00:38:34] Right.

[00:38:35] The only time I get picked up is when somebody who knows me is there and they're like, oh, yeah, she could ball.

[00:38:42] You know, pick her up.

[00:38:43] But if it's people that don't know me, they never play with me.

[00:38:46] They won't pick me up.

[00:38:47] But there was this one particular time.

[00:38:48] There was two other girls that, you know, they're there sometimes.

[00:38:52] And one of the girls, like she was, she created her team.

[00:38:57] Yeah.

[00:38:57] And she was like, we're going to have a women's room.

[00:38:59] Like it was me, her, the other woman and two other guys.

[00:39:03] And we were playing against five guys.

[00:39:05] And I'm like, I'm going to play.

[00:39:08] She let you know.

[00:39:09] I'm going to play.

[00:39:10] We lost so bad.

[00:39:11] We lost so bad.

[00:39:13] But, but, but, but I can't say.

[00:39:16] You can't say it.

[00:39:17] I can say.

[00:39:18] Like it was, it was three, three women of a team of five versus all guys that of people that really play.

[00:39:30] Okay.

[00:39:31] And then you have two women that they kind of play or they play for fun.

[00:39:38] Right.

[00:39:39] And then I played all my life and it's like.

[00:39:41] I got you.

[00:39:41] We were, it was a, the balance wasn't there.

[00:39:44] I mean, that's.

[00:39:44] The balance wasn't there.

[00:39:45] That's a tough one, right?

[00:39:46] That's like saying, take a, take your favorite NBA team and put it against your favorite WNBA team.

[00:39:50] I mean.

[00:39:51] Exactly.

[00:39:52] I don't know.

[00:39:52] Exactly.

[00:39:53] I don't know.

[00:39:53] So I think there's a lot of people who, when they, when they do pick, they're picking like.

[00:39:58] Yeah.

[00:39:59] Yeah.

[00:40:00] This person's dope.

[00:40:01] This person's dope.

[00:40:01] This person's.

[00:40:02] Yeah.

[00:40:03] Now translate back, translate that back to our space.

[00:40:06] Yeah.

[00:40:07] Do we have more feature opportunities, collaboration opportunities, cross production opportunities?

[00:40:13] For me.

[00:40:14] For women in CHH.

[00:40:17] I can only speak from what I know.

[00:40:20] For me, like I said before, like not a lot of people were asking me for features.

[00:40:26] Gotcha.

[00:40:26] I wasn't getting features.

[00:40:27] Nobody asked.

[00:40:28] That really surprises me.

[00:40:29] When I asked, when I would ask people, it'd be like crickets.

[00:40:35] That's why when you go to my Apple Music is like five people.

[00:40:38] I got, I got a handful of people.

[00:40:40] Yeah.

[00:40:41] Features.

[00:40:43] Um, but now.

[00:40:46] Because I've grown more people and like, yeah, we, we could work with her.

[00:40:51] Yeah.

[00:40:51] But not only have I grown, um, in, in terms of like, as an artist, I've grown all, all around.

[00:41:00] All around.

[00:41:01] So now I'm producing.

[00:41:02] Yeah.

[00:41:02] And now, you know, now that I'm producing, I'm in control of my art.

[00:41:07] Yes.

[00:41:07] So when, when you listen to a beat, you know, I know exactly how that person felt when they

[00:41:11] made that beat.

[00:41:12] Yes.

[00:41:12] I can tell you what they were thinking about.

[00:41:14] And so now I take my own thoughts.

[00:41:17] I put them into this beat and then I can create and it feels so much better.

[00:41:22] And, and I think that my music is also showing that it's showing that now it's like, it's

[00:41:27] getting better.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:28] And now I'm getting features.

[00:41:30] Yeah.

[00:41:30] Now, now, like I got a, I got one.

[00:41:33] I accidentally, I got a, I got a track with, um, Paris.

[00:41:37] I sent it to Paris just to let him hear it because Paris also lives in Tulsa.

[00:41:41] Gotcha.

[00:41:42] And, um, and, um, so I sent it, I sent, sometimes I send, send out music to a few people, um,

[00:41:48] just to see what they think.

[00:41:49] And he was like, you sending me these songs to get on them or like, cause this y'all dope.

[00:41:54] Right.

[00:41:54] And I'm like, well, hop on it.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:56] And there you go.

[00:41:57] There it is.

[00:41:58] That's beautiful.

[00:41:59] You know, the, the, the, the career journey you had is interesting.

[00:42:02] And so let's, let's just talk about like careers for a second.

[00:42:05] Maybe this will answer the question that the person asked about breaking through in Christian

[00:42:09] hip hop.

[00:42:09] So, um, so interesting story.

[00:42:12] You see the, um, the, the Holy Coach radio sign thing on the door right there.

[00:42:16] So the guy who does this, who did that, did this.

[00:42:19] The guy who did that, um, owns a company called fast times.

[00:42:22] Right.

[00:42:22] So he's in here, we're talking and he was talking about the difficulties of like, we're wrapping

[00:42:26] up of hiring people nowadays.

[00:42:28] And he's like, you know, uh, I've got two stores, this, that, and that, but you can't

[00:42:33] keep people higher.

[00:42:34] Like, and I said, well, maybe it's a pay rate issue.

[00:42:36] He's like, I start people at $20 now, $22 an hour.

[00:42:39] Okay.

[00:42:39] And they, they don't even have to be that experienced.

[00:42:41] I said, is that right?

[00:42:42] Now I don't know how much, how far that can go nowadays.

[00:42:45] Things are tight.

[00:42:46] Grocery store is heavy, but his point around either people not showing up for interviews

[00:42:52] or I hired them, they don't show up for the work and so on and so forth.

[00:42:55] It had me think a lot about the current generation and this kind of, sometimes I feel this, this

[00:43:01] pivot of, um, passion purpose versus kind of practicality.

[00:43:06] Right.

[00:43:06] Like I'm older than you.

[00:43:08] I'm not going to say how old, but you know, we kind of grew up, a lot of us grew up in

[00:43:11] that generation of that needs to work and earn your way to doing the work you want to do.

[00:43:17] Yeah.

[00:43:17] I think the, the more recent generations kind of start with a premise of, I want to, I

[00:43:22] want to do some stuff I enjoy doing.

[00:43:24] Yeah.

[00:43:25] Where, where do you see that?

[00:43:27] Like, where do you see that in kind of the, the career management mix, this whole thing

[00:43:32] again of like purpose, passion versus practicality.

[00:43:37] How do you think about that?

[00:43:38] Because being an artist is not practical at times at all.

[00:43:40] And not at all.

[00:43:43] Um, I think it's a good thing.

[00:43:45] Like I have a, I have a friend who's like in the medical field, who's doing something

[00:43:49] they don't want to do.

[00:43:50] And I'm like, well, then why are you doing it?

[00:43:52] Why are you doing it?

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:55] And, um, I think it's a great thing that more people are, um, getting ahold of, of their

[00:44:02] purpose.

[00:44:02] And I actually like, I, I, I want to be more a part of that speaking up and letting people

[00:44:08] know, like, Hey, instead of like, you know, the meme that always goes around that talks

[00:44:14] about like, you know, everybody can't be a rapper or actor or this.

[00:44:17] We need, uh, plumbers too.

[00:44:21] And it's like, well, let the plumbers handle the plumbing.

[00:44:25] If you got to call in for being a plumber.

[00:44:27] Yeah.

[00:44:27] If you, if you called to be a plumber.

[00:44:30] Right.

[00:44:30] Um, but I'm gonna be a rapper.

[00:44:32] Right.

[00:44:32] You know?

[00:44:33] Um, so I, I think it's great.

[00:44:36] I think it's great.

[00:44:37] I love to see it.

[00:44:38] What, what do you think people need to do in order to, if you're going to pursue that

[00:44:43] path or even start thinking about really pursuing your passion and purpose, given the journey

[00:44:48] you've had, if you were doing it all over again, would you do anything different?

[00:44:52] And if so, what?

[00:44:53] I wouldn't do anything different.

[00:44:56] Um, and the reason I say that is because in the very beginning, God, God already gave

[00:45:03] me the word, uh, whatever you do, do it as unto the Lord and not man.

[00:45:09] Sure.

[00:45:10] Sure.

[00:45:10] I've, I've, I've strayed away from that.

[00:45:12] Sure.

[00:45:13] I've listened to what people said and I've allowed it to get to me and I've allowed it

[00:45:17] to, um, like, uh, take me in some ways for a little while.

[00:45:23] Yeah.

[00:45:24] But then I always come back to that word and I, and I remember whatever you do, do it as

[00:45:28] unto the Lord and not man.

[00:45:30] This is not for you.

[00:45:32] Yeah.

[00:45:32] This is what I'm doing.

[00:45:33] If you don't like it, that's okay.

[00:45:35] Somebody will.

[00:45:37] So, and, um, and I've always remembered that.

[00:45:40] So I wouldn't change anything that, that, yeah, he, he, like God really helped me together

[00:45:47] during this entire journey.

[00:45:49] Is that what got you through those moments where you said, man, God, why'd you put me

[00:45:52] here?

[00:45:53] Because this is not covering the bills.

[00:45:54] Like what, what am I doing?

[00:45:56] Is that what, like what in those moments, what helped you pull through?

[00:46:00] Yeah.

[00:46:00] It was, it was always my, my conversations with God.

[00:46:04] It was always those moments with God where like, even though I'm crying and I'm mad and

[00:46:10] I'm like, God, like, what are you doing?

[00:46:13] Um, a piece would always come over me.

[00:46:15] Yeah.

[00:46:16] A piece that would always come over me.

[00:46:18] That's good.

[00:46:19] A feeling of like, it's okay.

[00:46:21] That's good.

[00:46:22] It's okay.

[00:46:23] That's good.

[00:46:24] Now let's, let's stay there for a second.

[00:46:28] Right.

[00:46:29] So, so one, I'm, man, it's so good to hear that God has once again and always does, but

[00:46:36] I think we need these reaffirming stories shows up.

[00:46:38] Yeah.

[00:46:39] Always.

[00:46:40] Always.

[00:46:41] Stick and stay.

[00:46:42] Right.

[00:46:42] It's like, it's like when you're playing football and your coach say, stay at home, stay home.

[00:46:47] Okay.

[00:46:48] Um, when we come back, I want to go back into this a little bit because to our point earlier

[00:46:52] or discussion earlier around ministry and business, what you're talking about to me is

[00:46:55] that relationship with the Lord that kept you, kept you grounded in the same way.

[00:47:00] I want to talk a little bit about the business things you had to learn along the way to get

[00:47:05] you here as well.

[00:47:05] Hey y'all, we're going to be right back.

[00:47:07] This is the cooling solution show right here.

[00:47:08] Holy coach radio.

[00:47:09] All right.

[00:47:09] So let me hit some of the questions from the live and make sure we don't miss some of them.

[00:47:13] Your top five CHH artists.

[00:47:16] Oh.

[00:47:16] So I'm always going to say, okay, this is not in no order.

[00:47:22] This is not in order because they all have, I listened to everybody for different reasons.

[00:47:26] Sure.

[00:47:27] Sure.

[00:47:27] Jay Monty.

[00:47:28] Mm.

[00:47:29] Bars.

[00:47:30] Mission.

[00:47:31] Bars.

[00:47:34] And melodic.

[00:47:35] Um, yes.

[00:47:37] Um, I just recently like, um, started listening to emoji tray.

[00:47:43] Um, but him.

[00:47:45] Not familiar.

[00:47:46] Yeah.

[00:47:46] I got to check.

[00:47:48] Um, I have love.

[00:47:49] I have.

[00:47:49] Yeah.

[00:47:50] Louisiana.

[00:47:52] Um, who didn't I say?

[00:47:56] I said.

[00:47:57] Jay Monty.

[00:47:58] Jay Monty.

[00:47:59] Mission.

[00:47:59] A ha.

[00:48:00] M.O.G.

[00:48:00] Trey.

[00:48:01] Yeah.

[00:48:01] Paris.

[00:48:02] Uh, that's it.

[00:48:03] That's fine.

[00:48:04] That's fine.

[00:48:05] That's fine.

[00:48:05] Jay Monty is bars, bro.

[00:48:06] And Mission has that melodic motivation.

[00:48:10] Bars.

[00:48:10] I remember his first album.

[00:48:11] I love Mission's first album.

[00:48:12] I can't wait to have Mission come through, man.

[00:48:14] He's, he's got a lot to say.

[00:48:16] Okay.

[00:48:16] So Jay asked, what would you tell the Reese Lachey of five years ago?

[00:48:23] And what, and what, I think she actually, let me refine it.

[00:48:26] I think she actually said, what were you doing five years ago that set you up?

[00:48:30] Yeah.

[00:48:31] Yeah.

[00:48:31] Um, what was I doing five years ago that, that set Reese Lachey up today?

[00:48:37] Five years ago.

[00:48:38] I don't even know where I was five years ago, but I'm a, I'm a estimate and say.

[00:48:45] 2019.

[00:48:46] I was, I was believing.

[00:48:48] I was just believing, man.

[00:48:50] So just believe, just believe.

[00:48:52] That was actually one of the first songs I ever recorded.

[00:48:55] It had this sample that said, just believe.

[00:48:59] So like, just believe when God tells you something, when God tells you to do something or, or wherever he tells you to go, belong there.

[00:49:10] Believe that, believe the words of God over your life.

[00:49:16] And, and, and trials, trials will come.

[00:49:20] Yeah.

[00:49:21] You know, things will come to try to steer you off.

[00:49:23] But when you believe and you remember, and you know that this is what God set for me, nothing can stop you.

[00:49:31] That's good.

[00:49:32] That's good.

[00:49:34] Okay.

[00:49:34] So back to what helped you in the journey.

[00:49:36] Again, we talked about the ministry part, your relationship with God that has seen you through getting from, you know, point A to point B to point C.

[00:49:45] But talk about the, the technical and the business things that you had to learn that helped make you the Reese Lachey you are today.

[00:49:55] Yeah.

[00:49:56] Um, it's a journey with, with business and technical, like everything I learned, I learned from, from situations, man.

[00:50:08] Um, were there any key mentors or people who walked alongside you or any of that?

[00:50:15] I had many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many mentors, many, uh, people, many seasons, uh, with those people.

[00:50:25] So, um, one, I can, a shout out to, I don't know if you know, uh, S.O. Gideon Zormi.

[00:50:30] Um, Gideon Zormi.

[00:50:32] Gideon Zormi, yeah.

[00:50:32] So, S.O. from Gideon Zormi, Pastor Rich, um, still to this day, like he's, he's, he's a mentor of mine.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:40] Um, like he, anytime I'm going through whatever I'm going through, I'm like, Hey, and he already know, like he's ready.

[00:50:47] Yeah.

[00:50:47] He ready.

[00:50:48] I'm like, I know that he, he knows, he always say, I know this about to be good.

[00:50:52] That's good.

[00:50:53] Because when I call him, it's like, it's always something.

[00:50:55] So, yeah.

[00:50:55] Um, yeah.

[00:50:57] Um, many, many, many people.

[00:50:59] Yeah.

[00:51:00] So, so people, so, so staying true to the Lord, learning, grinding, involving mentors and whatnot.

[00:51:06] And, and the learning, you know, it's interesting to me because again, having watched you this whole time, I always saw a fighter.

[00:51:14] Yeah.

[00:51:15] I always saw someone fighting, like just relentlessly fighting.

[00:51:19] And I think about that from that perspective of, and people, this is not a shot.

[00:51:24] I just want to say it though.

[00:51:25] We all have to have some resilience.

[00:51:28] Yeah.

[00:51:28] Right.

[00:51:29] To take those gut blows and come back.

[00:51:31] You have to have resilience.

[00:51:32] If you, man, if you really are passionate, you really believe this is your calling, your purpose, you've got to swing for it and assume you are going alone.

[00:51:44] Yeah.

[00:51:44] Especially in business.

[00:51:46] Especially in business.

[00:51:47] Come on now.

[00:51:48] Yeah.

[00:51:48] And take it as a blessing if people walk alongside you, but don't, don't, don't expect it necessarily.

[00:51:54] And don't be discouraged if not everybody signs up to support your vision.

[00:51:59] Yeah.

[00:52:00] How did, how did, um, how did it come to be that you're selling out a show in Philadelphia tonight?

[00:52:08] How did that come to be?

[00:52:09] I have no idea.

[00:52:11] I honestly have no idea.