719. Navigating Theological Differences in Hip Hop and Christian Communities

[00:00:00] We can change like my train, Saturn, this painted out, church on this not real talk about hip hop and church in the streets. We are about that light, we're about that light about that real talk.

[00:00:14] And today, man, we got two great Chicago MCs, man, love and love, they work, serving young people, man. It's beautiful when you serve young people, when you run, you serve young people, you preachers, serve young people, and you do street events and because you have the best

[00:00:30] of both worlds, you can't just do it at people and then be like, this is how you do it and you run at that people because they like, this is lame, this don't make no sense

[00:00:39] because you got to really make sure this stuff is going to hit that vein when you know, it's a vegetable world in that space. So we, you have heard these weather before, I'm going to show it today. We got a fucking topic.

[00:00:50] I'm going to introduce you right now. What's up? Brother 3, well 3 now 3. Well, I was good. I think we still, we get back from the 3, 3, no way around the nation. No, no, it was good and then you already know from the south side of the kingdom.

[00:01:06] We just, yeah, but now appreciate it. Appreciate you having me. I'll give it to you if you have a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we got Darrell from Chicago. What's up, being? Yo, what's up, man? God bless you. I can be here as always.

[00:01:21] I honor and the privilege to be here, man. Speak on the truth with you. Yeah, grateful to be here with both of y'all brothers right now. And again, I'm a snuck in the blue passage, Jane and and and and and and Rutgers. They somewhere out.

[00:01:33] We're in great work in ministry. Probably sleep somewhere. We're in the middle of the city. But the part of ministry, rest of the right. It's right, right. Yo, to man, you know, and God has kept us around and kept me around for a long time.

[00:01:50] You're sure you work with hip hop and there's been always challenges around what people believe in, how they believe it, why they believe in where it comes from. And there are certain people who believe that they are the you know, the the correct

[00:02:04] of all things off theologically to in some regards, you know. And I got some respect for that if the stuff is way off, you know, being able to kind of find a way to merge and love people to an understanding or at least to to share your

[00:02:20] work and then and then that would be what God's going to do. But man, it's seem like that most kind of the based conversations, conflicts and challenges are still coming around. You know, when it comes to different artists and different perspectives on what they see theologically.

[00:02:38] And we had a great conversation, you know, a couple of weeks ago just about some of the things that folks are saying and thinking, and just looking at today's show, talking about why and what is it that cast the saying of the, the allowed to do.

[00:02:53] And what are some of the things you were hearing as an artist and and and three, they come in a conflict with each other with with the ministry or just, you know, a conflict

[00:03:06] with serving a Lord and that's me with each other and that's me with each other and that's me. Yeah, I'll start brought. I feel like that first of all, as believers we have to be unified. We have to be a one 90 crisis.

[00:03:22] We have to be a one body. We are one body. We are the church and within that just like you know, you get the west side in the south side. You got some differences.

[00:03:34] You know, and there's one of the differences that I hear today is theologically, as you say, there's some of the peripheral issues. You know, and I don't think those are the major issues and that's kind of what I call secondary and even tertiary issues within the church.

[00:03:57] But also just a month hit hip hop or Christian hip hop, you know, just talking to brothers getting to know them. As you know, I've been doing Christian hip hop for many years, probably 15-20 years now and I feel like some things have not changed with that.

[00:04:18] And I think that some of the secondary issues, doctually they come up and sometimes what that does is that creates this, this divide between artists and then creates a click. And people start to get real clicking.

[00:04:36] And it's what I mean by that is you have what I call silos. You have a group of artists that are just with therefore no more. And I think what that does is that creates division to an extent.

[00:04:52] You know, I mean, if you have to have people that rock with you, you know, you got to have a team, you got to have people that, you know, they got that support you. Yeah. And I get that and that's what I'm talking about.

[00:05:01] What I'm talking about is the things that I've been seeing is clicks in the sense that, hey, I'm not going to be music. This person on this group because we do this or we rhyme like that or we believe this.

[00:05:20] And I believe that the secondary issues in terms of self-evident things are not significant enough to prevent artists from working with another artist. Okay, right. Yeah. And so that's one of the things that I definitely see happening to that.

[00:05:44] The different artists you're saying and it's like, it's just conversation that are out there already on some kind of public platform or arguments just through texts and through social folks, folks like sneak this and that's sneak this.

[00:06:00] And we're like, so when he really believed what I think is really trying to say, you know, he ain't saying not like that, you up here talk about this happening Genesis and you go through the whole shoe and that's what I believe is the correct perspective.

[00:06:16] Thank you, my brother. You sneak this in hard but it's a shot, it's a shot like that. Did months are doing back and forth? You know a girl, I don't think that there's something to open like that because I've been

[00:06:28] rolling with different circles personally because I'm individual independent, I don't have a team, I don't have a hole like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll have a clip and so, you know, I rock with whoever rock with me in the name of Jesus.

[00:06:45] And I just, and that's how I roll it but because of that, I've had this dynamic situation where I've been able to rotate with different circles and which has been a great benefit and it's been as blessed me so much. Let me say that first.

[00:07:04] Let me tremendously have worked with some of the best and I pray for these brothers and sisters all the time that we pray together often actually and I love them dearly, all of them.

[00:07:17] What I mean and that doesn't mean this and I'm not saying this is saying it, they don't love each other. What that means, what I'm saying is that they would rather not work with this other group

[00:07:29] or this other artist because either some of the things that they believe, there are secondary issues and I can name other things too but also because of just their style of means, you know, their style of hip hop and that kind of prevents them from being in

[00:07:48] that same space which I think is a kind of a hinder. It's nothing if we could break down that barrier, there would be an even more of a trend to Christian hip hop or hip hop than in the hood. Yeah, yeah. What do you say three?

[00:08:05] I think it's nuance, right? You have like these the biblical issues of what one believes, doctinally but then you just have straight up hip hop beat, skills it. You know what I'm saying?

[00:08:29] So before we even get to the point of who we're doing this for and why are we doing it, are you good, like how well do you do this? Who do you know who are you connected to? Can I benefit from this?

[00:08:43] Like what's the point of me collaborating with you? What I get out of it? And I think all these things are, you know, a part of, it's in play while you're dealing with these that can potentially,

[00:08:57] you know, bring this course in the body when it comes to Christian hip hop. And so you have some brothers that just like, hey, I don't know you. I don't know you and I have a platform.

[00:09:14] I don't know if you are someone that's coming to take for me and so I got to be guarded. And I can't let you in, you've got to come by way of somebody. You got to get introduced to a mutual, through someone mutual who my trust,

[00:09:30] you know what I'm saying? And then you have, then is this idea of just because we are doing something for the kingdom, don't mean we all got to do it together. You know what I'm saying? Like we're working in different areas, maybe across the globe, all seen online,

[00:09:48] but we can be kingdom and not partner in a way where it's like we're on the same track or we're doing. You know what I'm saying? But with that said, I would question like, well, could we do we promote each other?

[00:10:04] Do we share, do we change what was going on? And I think again, that brings you back to the question of how excellent are you doing it? Because some people is like, yo, I don't want to, I'm just not going to put anything up on my page.

[00:10:17] I'm not going to share anything in my stories. Like who's not who's mixing, you understand? But do a sound good. It's the quality of what you're doing good. It's the presentation of what you're doing, excellent. And are you affirmed by more than just your community?

[00:10:35] You know saying, right? That's not for this affirming you. Yeah, that's true. That's key. There was a time to hip-hop man when you're feeling how far back you go from a student of Wiley, who like the Curtis Blow of hip-hop. And at that time, to buy a rap.

[00:10:53] And then boyhead. And buy a rap. You know? And you run a bit and have a cadence towards at that time and knew. So nobody knew how to even associate it, connect it to other than like, I was sort of like,

[00:11:09] with some other, a second artist from school. And then you had Steve Orrani who was a youth pass who was just trying to get his kids involved and just started rapping. And then you find that down every two years, the other cats that would come in.

[00:11:24] Another skill set started to step on it. And then you find like, you know, for example, T-Bo came with a lyrical assassin, got from Getsus came with, you know, original Getsus, like, like, a game affiliated. And then T-Bo came with a whole other hard style.

[00:11:42] Like, okay, double time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in era, in era it was like, okay, the professionalism, what you're saying, how you're saying it, mug's taking risk at what they felt needed to be said outside of the bottom of

[00:11:57] your label because of the culture of hip-hop and who they were, what they were not being seen as is quite, you know, T-Bo, T-Bo, T-Bo, T-Bo, T-Bo, got some games and other stuff. But I think the effort to have people

[00:12:15] cocktail pool can't be only around just crushing cats or snapping on because they're not making good. You gotta find a way, and the body price to come on side of cats to where they can be, the way in which cats come up.

[00:12:31] Now, I know, and yeah, you know, back in the day, in Chicago, and had his sight for me. I am, I am must be, and then sight was like that. You talk about men, he'd be in a sight for the, if you weren't there.

[00:12:42] You're in a sight and a sight for it. Ain't it? And you got major leaders in that sight for him. And they just say, man, you have to go to the kitty table. Like, yeah, the girl, the girl's your game up, right?

[00:12:51] And I don't know where they are, pockets like that. I don't know, D1 had a session, couple weeks ago, I want to go, we're trying to get all these artists to come together, right? Try to talk about professionalizing this. So things like that, more things like that.

[00:13:05] Like you know, hit on the head about, you know, are you tight outside your community? You're the, who's validating you outside, that's right. Not validating you to fade, validating you in God and your, all right, right? The skill set. I mean, three years you, Jake,

[00:13:20] three years you, Jake Quest, we're always talking about it. It's just like, let's just make good music. You make good music. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be, it starts and starts dead. Because this is, you get like almost thick live for multi-syllables, right?

[00:13:35] So I can, so I can hear a one-syllable line and it's like a punch in the face. But that wouldn't make me not work with artists, you know what I'm saying? It's just, with the way I write,

[00:13:46] I push myself to the point of difficulty where I have less words to use and I'm still trying to tell a story and it makes sense. But and then you have others that just like, well, I'm just going around to hit the cat, the bed, the steps

[00:13:57] and I just want to get through it. And I'll give you some emotion, you know what I'm saying? So, but I'm with you on like, because support doesn't always have to be public. You know what I'm saying? So what does behind the scenes look like?

[00:14:13] Like, A-Brow, now I can't, I won't work with you here as wide, but let's, let's, I'm willing to work with you and help help you get to a particular place where what you're doing is more excellent. But how do we, how do we come to a prox,

[00:14:29] someone like that? Because you could, it could come off a fence and you know what I'm saying? Because everybody thinks they do or have female. When they doing this music, they kind of bite something, you know what I'm saying?

[00:14:40] But as always, as always, someone out there doing what you're doing a little more potent than what you do. I mean, I think that, if somebody has a particular, not talking about theological death on something, right? And cats are hammering in that as a way,

[00:15:00] you know, to shame some cats who are in the faith or to create. But what I got to go for the judge because, you know, you know, you, you, you say this wrong. You're not serious. You know, theological, straight. You know, I don't know when people came like,

[00:15:20] with theological police of different things. Right, you know, I get we must teach some doctrine. We must understand some doctrine. But the same time, it's got to be this, the core has to be us focusing on human being. Like when you look at artists, you know,

[00:15:40] second artist is what my context is about the money, it's about the title, it's about the position. So cats may like, you know, work with an artist that may not necessarily know, buy one of certain things. But because we're on this docking together in this concert,

[00:15:58] we don't, we don't figure out how to do this because of the money is there, right? So on the more higher level and higher level of what's in risk when artists of clashing in that context they should be a much more higher sensitivity around,

[00:16:14] you know, what's that risk right here versus me just trying to get my point across and that's quite a personal opportunity. Do you know what I'm saying? No, indeed, indeed. Yeah, I mean, it's not like, philogens and professors of schools don't don't clash,

[00:16:33] you know, but I think the core of who they are with you about is rock-solid. We follow and love Jesus Christ in the pursuit of their effort to them as holy and righteous before God is possible. We're here talking to three Ants of Deref from Chicago.

[00:16:51] What was it Deref from the Shines? The Deref from the Shines, Deref from Chicago. Yeah. The conversation with the day man is just about how different writers and artists see the Bible, see their role in scripture. You know, I don't mind the politics.

[00:17:08] I'm a man cats who are deep in a apologetic. That's cool. But there's even a need to be in a poll. I mean, I like Bruce Lee said, I practice the art of fighting. But I'm fighting. Like I can practice the art of apologetic without apologetics.

[00:17:23] You know, I can practice a process of poem. Let's see how this plays out and life. How does it? You take that same amount of thinking and put this in life. How does that work? Okay, cool. So there's another option.

[00:17:36] I mean, Wayne, which I just saw oftentimes young people in some tiny, small kids, instead of getting a mistake of, you know, hey, give me this at down. Just say, hey, what are you understanding that? Doing for you right now or what you're doing the same?

[00:17:50] It does to come to you like, like, just some kind of cats with a question. So make him think like, yeah, I am an only one saying and as a dentist, I have this. Right now they got a promise that won't know what you do.

[00:18:02] So in the context of apologetics or fighting. Sometimes I think the challenge is this. And this is American thing. Especially American and the jumpers. The pursuit to be right or righteous. Right? Am I going to be right at any cost? Right now, I'm right. I've got it.

[00:18:22] Or will it be right? You see that in politics? Most are to be right at any cost and they go on way back. They know you see this is how this has got to go on America, blah blah blah blah. And everybody else is just nothing.

[00:18:37] This is cards. You know, that happens two in the time. And what are you in the world? And what is your end is MCs and artists with different conversations? What do you see that that tension being? What do you see that being right or righteous?

[00:18:54] So you inscript your as information or transformation. You understand? Yeah, information and transformation. Do you want to go there? Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, I go, brother. Thank you. I think that there's, I see that I see what you did there. I like it.

[00:19:14] You know, I think that there has to be a line that's drawn when it comes to theology before you go into hairstyles. So there's like if a person is like one this pinacostal, they don't believe in the Trinity. And so there's an issue right? Therein lives a fundamental,

[00:19:36] South-Ephic issue. You can't have somebody that's like hey, I'm leaving the father's and always very big like that. I believe in this and it's like okay well, within that we're so now what are you right or righteous?

[00:19:51] You know, and then so there has to be a line that's drawn to theologically I believe. Now you don't want to be right for just right sake, right because you want transformation. You want a person to be saved. You want a person to as artists and as believers,

[00:20:04] you know because we believe it's before or before artists. I believe and without being saved. I, you know, I was doing right in hip hop before I was saved. But not but when I got saved, I didn't want to do hip hop the same way

[00:20:22] because I was transformed. And the Bible says to be, you know, and so to be renewed right and be transformed by the renewing of your mind. So I don't, I don't know a lot of one of the same things the same way anymore.

[00:20:37] And so there has to be a line that was drawn. So for example when I used to listen to Twister, I was like man, I felt convicted listening to Twister the same type of way that I felt when I was listening to him beforehand.

[00:20:48] Then it was like man but I came to listen to, you know, Twister was the same way. And so I would say that I would never want to be right for right sick. You know Derek Midders said something man when he came to Chicago

[00:21:01] was a this year like late last year something that he was like man, he had this comment and the comment was like, there's no, what did he say? There's no love. There's no hate like Christian love.

[00:21:15] And I was like man, you know, he was going through a thing. I'm packed that. I'm packed that. That's good. That's a good word. I'm packed that. Well, you know because it's like there's a lot of believers that will argue

[00:21:28] you down to the tea with theology and just be all up in your face and they might be right. They might be right. The doctor might be sound but are you doing it with the right heart?

[00:21:42] And because if you're not then it's not going to fall on listening here he's going to fall on deaf ears. And because you know, it's like I was you know one of my kids there said they gave me a drum right?

[00:21:54] They were like my son he said hey, I drew this for you and he's he six years old and he's like I drew this for you and he was really excited by it now. I was like man, it's great.

[00:22:06] You know he drew him in my heart over the minute, it's great. He drew this thing for me and he was like, man, what do you think about it? And I just thought that was a really interesting question. Tell me from a six year old.

[00:22:19] You think what do you think? And I was like, well, you know because it was this you know this thing and and I was like, well, what do you think about it?

[00:22:32] You know because I wanted I wanted to be able to empower him to be able to have his own thoughts on and for that to be vocalized on what he thought about it, on about what he was what he created.

[00:22:45] And so that was so I kind of take that same type of perspective. It's like man if somebody is like, hey this is what my thoughts are about how you're delivering this message to me on Instagram and I want to be like, hey,

[00:23:04] what do you think about this thing? How do you feel about if I'm I'm giving a message to someone on Instagram or Facebook on a series of, you know, like we're doing a Holy Culture Radio.

[00:23:16] If I'm giving a message I want to be able to say what do you think about this? I want to empower the listener or the reader to be able to have some sort of feedback so that

[00:23:27] they can now vocalize to me what it is that I've related to them because if it's not coming across but I got to change something. Like Paul was when Paul got saved, he went back to Jerusalem

[00:23:42] and they was trying to get out of him. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't until and I love how three said this. It wasn't until the people that he wrote with was like, yo he would us,

[00:23:55] he would us. He saved now. And then and then there was like oh okay cool so y'all y'all y'all about it that y'all writing with him and he writing with so now he's saved and he

[00:24:06] part of us now. Okay, so now he cool you know what I'm saying? And that's kind of how you know I kind of unpacked that there's no he like Christian love is like man

[00:24:17] there's so many times Christians will will bite at you you know and and judge you pre-judge before actually getting to know you now sometimes there's cause for judgment right like there has to be judgment because the Bible tells us to judge right

[00:24:34] justly and I know you know I said I think we did there you know you got to be either either be right or right this you know and then the Bible tells the judge right justly but

[00:24:44] so many times Christians just want to be right and that's not the right thing you have to be right just because we seek transformation or in any message we get. I think trying to be right

[00:24:55] come from another place not from a place of pursuing transformation in someone's life you know I mean we work with guys who shoot people right we just got to go to Russia the day

[00:25:07] for a third gun charge when now he's on the digital you know so it's like what are you doing right now am I gonna be like man you're trying to be right yeah I'm right we shouldn't have had a gun

[00:25:20] we pan you win this program um hang with the wrong girl she's doing it in your all location you know you're just got out just let for us you just let for us to come with right so in the

[00:25:31] country I can be right all day but so am I coming from a place of I mean what do you think you know is causing you to want to just be strapped all the time even though you got these situations

[00:25:45] like let me pursue another path that would set before him through his own words this challenge you know we have people in the Bible man like like I'm saying what happened with my unbelief you know

[00:26:02] coming my unbelief that's real tall like with the people who want to be right we're going with it sir we're at an inch you can't leave until let's help you tell belief right now right

[00:26:13] there's some people who like I'm not going to bed on with this guy's house you know you know but then there are people who pursue to be right and they own stuff ain't right you know most of

[00:26:23] in the own screaming right so I'm pursuing it because maybe it's a camouflage for my own stuff you know all those kind of variables and seeing over the years and their space like that man and

[00:26:33] yeah so so it's it's it's a balance in that space it's a balance in that space uh three will be by like I think I'm a pushback a little bit I'm gonna push back a little bit and it's just like

[00:26:46] all personal experience for me like I think it's hard to be right just without being right like you really can't have one without the other but I I hear what you say in this far it's like

[00:27:01] like in how you're doing it are you pursuing transformation for the life and so here's what I'm thinking about thinking about biblical literacy right and and it's like we live in a world and even even just Christianity like our people know the major stories that are viable like

[00:27:24] they know they don't know in the water and the flood and we you know we know about man somebody get saved from you know a fiery furnace or something you know you know and then

[00:27:36] some dudes and the last day and you know we can we can kind of from a far distance peaking our mind and remember stories we've heard but I think like expository preaching is a thing that

[00:27:53] helps with that literacy and even the an even a right way of right righteousness and so here's what I mean with personally I was being taught false action at some point China lived righteous

[00:28:09] and it wasn't working you know I'm saying like I wasn't right so I couldn't get the right chance you know I'm saying I can get to it and so it's like as I begin to

[00:28:20] through the Lord's grace and not to say I get it right but it was like I was at least hearing the word in this context the right way that when I when I begin to try to apply it right

[00:28:36] righteousness was the fruit but if I'm being taught like I'm the hero in the text I'm this or whatever the case may be and it's like that's the attitude of me trying to live righteous

[00:28:47] and I get it wrong trying to live righteous and so um and so that's that's just been that's been my experience that man is some if we can just read the Bible you know I'm saying like I'm pretty sure

[00:29:03] studies are out there I don't know it you know maybe somebody watching and look it up that I mean it's a percentage of people that read that have great the Bible so the percentage of people that

[00:29:14] have only read a portion of it sentences of it not even at all and and a lot of us are parents just you know saying the things we've heard and and we have no clear understanding of like how the

[00:29:30] comes together how Jesus is the you know peace of the Bible and so yeah that's that's my thought like yeah first off like yeah get it right I mean I think that there is my my my my my

[00:29:46] my deal is it's right is that when you ever met somebody whatever juncture that's not who they ultimately will be in this journey of life and in the midst of you someone hammering down this

[00:30:01] this theology of giving you on a sin in chapter 8 right without being done in a way that's you may grace feel however they were before they call them because they call a whole another

[00:30:16] because you've turned you turn them all the way to another kind of a challenge in that way and so I think that you know I'm going to show you asked us about hey so you guys like explicitly

[00:30:31] like a Christian your word I said yeah you know that's a foundation for coming in my mind is if you're saying explicitly is saying that we show this unconditional love as Christ said you'll know you'll know my people because of love yeah that's how explicitly and then

[00:30:49] not look at anything any formula you say in the church world so there may be another tone another energy another engagement that you can't deny you know the love is not there in the

[00:31:05] messages conversations with those of yourself dare what made you write this song and that song is oh man what made you write that song man and you know there was a time of my life where I was just

[00:31:17] mundane just keep continuing to go on and on my day to day and I just felt like man there's a song I wanted to just get back to glory there's no chorus there's no hook really in the song

[00:31:29] it's just giving God the glory about my transformation about how I got you know say and I'm going to be able to tell somebody but just how I got saved giving God the glory and that how

[00:31:41] others should get the God the glory in their situations yeah man so as a song that I just I felt like it was a good time to release it's a good space to do that. Seems like it's right

[00:31:52] on time right topic too because when it comes down to it is our life giving God the glory you know and seeking to live in such a way where it is and the unity that we seek to have in our

[00:32:09] walk with the Lord right can be that way you know I mean you know I don't know Mark Charlie argue Muslims down left the right level cross the street from him and it wasn't until

[00:32:19] years later this Muslim captain and man I want to find out more about Jesus for real on our youth you know more because I see how your family lives that and that is so spoke

[00:32:30] more volumes than the battle between this a picture or the faith this picture got the faith and things like that because that was what really when it worked with the right if you have

[00:32:43] faith is that strong and what's going to do and how you're doing it I gotta find out how that lives and what that's about in the NS play thing you know me so Lord if you give a God the glory

[00:32:53] things like that ooze out on people just ooze out love man man three times about the song we got to you got to listen to the record is called No Hero featuring an epidudes by your

[00:33:05] main Marcel no hero I wrote it in third person and so it's kind of speaking from these perspective of different men that are kind of some of the worst people outside looking in

[00:33:19] that bill is though like down I'm deserve grace but that's what y'all said to me like I am no hero you know what I'm saying I'm actually in need of one and so that's the record yeah

[00:33:32] let's do yeah why don't you gotta lie for me try to say yeah yeah I mean it come off it come off with the first that and I'm gonna do with the mask on my mistake going in

[00:33:44] hand getting your face cracking the safe I had plans to do good but that was back in the day probably see me with some things I just happened to take club dough that a next one coming like

[00:33:54] I'm behind bars on death row but I deserve to be helped though who did a next one and then he's coming yeah yeah yeah yeah as though and it's dope pretty much both y'all got some brilliant

[00:34:09] insights and some words I was in that and the relevancy of it man you know certain things I think sometimes artists I can imagine you know like how do you rhyme about glory right in such a way

[00:34:23] that it hits this content now right how do you you know rhyme in such a way where those stories showed at grace you know here well they how do you how I mean to do that because but it has to be

[00:34:37] done it has to be done in a way that folks are able to really look again I think you know at faith and look again you know a guiding in space like that yeah yeah that that record was like

[00:34:51] really holding up a mirror to the listeners even though you're hearing other people's stories it's with outside judging like no you you actually do me they get yourself together before the law

[00:35:03] coming you and it's like what was really just holding it up like do we all have seen if I'm sure to the glory of God we all are neat up a hero you know I'm saying and so

[00:35:13] was just story that you keep it so you keep telling the same story you were God brought you from years ago but what he do it what you're doing with now right what you need

[00:35:24] safe saving from today yeah yeah yeah yeah I think both of the songs we talk about this topic you know constraints on on on the effort of unity like I teach a class to stay in the prison

[00:35:39] with cats who are spending 30 years to life life sentences the game matches the degree right some cats in there who are Hebrew some cats were Muslim they get a message from a criminal

[00:35:49] curse a seminar right and I come in the I come in shaking a hand was up yeah I come in bring some some fruit from from from the store you know you know they they they haven't

[00:36:02] they have the manners but they got a bunch of other kind of fruit and in the fact that I do that every time the level on me talking about stuff try to go call the relatives and serve and what

[00:36:12] I can these modes are seeing that this faith is real like I don't know how the other professors do it and why sometimes the conversation is kind of like odd when I now understand then

[00:36:27] pass a few coming on blocks but so one kind of things where in and my effort even I'm not arguing with the Hebrew cats you know I'm saying shalom you know to my brothers you know I'm saying I said

[00:36:39] they come to no mother Muslim but I'm saying that I can be in a space where things may may seem like uncomfortable or there should be some conversation back and forth but I would much

[00:36:53] rather have the testimony of what I'm engaging in and how I'm living what I'm talking about and the testimony of of what we're trying to teach in the space be enough for God to use that and

[00:37:05] just turn up in their hearts in mind I don't even let me go in the text and I'm like what will we tell him to turn right yeah that draw them into that space that way you know need to continue to

[00:37:16] yeah and what does it take for somebody you know theological you know I would say I would say cool back what is things or theological you to pause that urgency in that space to trust God

[00:37:27] enough that is not our magical words or the cruciform Christ that we've studied the cruciform reality and crying that to not like I gotta you know jump over that to get to this

[00:37:41] and make sure you understand that part versus it's just being man I'm in the middle of I'm in the midst of a guy doing this moment right now and I want to be human in space

[00:37:51] and some people are comfortable in this space and people are in this space you know yeah yeah I think the main thing I would say is like the love of Jesus is the emphasis

[00:38:06] right like love being the emphasis of that a gathering like that was so many different beliefs and play right and it's like we get to it's for a reason we have one mouth for a reason

[00:38:22] like it's nothing wrong with allowing people to talk and you listen and you trying to understand them and hear them because they're passionate about what they're passionate about and love what they love for

[00:38:31] a reason and and if you can have that type of um just that type of front and as far as like y'all I just want to hear your story like what's your story bro like talk to me and then

[00:38:46] they'll be willing to hear your story you know I'm saying and they can see you're able to see how they view God working in their life and they're here how Jesus has through like God has used

[00:38:58] Jesus in your life and he's like all right like I want to hear more about that but just you know loving on them in a way and showing them my respect you you know I'm saying I respect you enough

[00:39:08] to hear you and not to go become bad of what you believe because that's just bring when you passionate about some anger followers you know I'm saying like yeah especially especially

[00:39:18] with somebody pushing back on what you say you love and believe so it takes ways to them and I think the premise is like I'm married 30 nine years in July it's like the permissive unity like how

[00:39:31] you stay unified and what do I have to do because I can't change Kim I got what from me well I do and that area be unified and the more I do focus on that without saying and you see

[00:39:44] I didn't do the dishes 17,000 days in a row then I just did it for that one reason to do that right to combat it but yeah the picture being unified and that space and people can take it too far I get

[00:40:01] to take unity too far and never be grounded on anything but I'm saying having the fact that in this moment I want to and this conflict we have in believers especially as MCs who

[00:40:13] who love a Lord growing that space certainly in this space because one believes in this particular angle that angle I don't think it's room with the table what I suppose would be in the

[00:40:22] one day when we were before crashing today I lost 16 friends because I was so hard on X, Y, and Z they still here and have a round of man we just jacked up home thinking we couldn't get more

[00:40:34] because you know we're saying yeah we're saying now we're going right up with you yeah I think that there has to be within that I think you're definitely I think you're at the nail

[00:40:46] in the head you know you can't you can't be so you know having the mind that you know if you're good you know that that's a myth that's kind of cliche but there's some truth to

[00:40:57] that you notice like you can't be so you know fairer cynical so sort of speak that you know you begin to now lose wisdom and lose you and lose the love that three mentioned of Christ

[00:41:14] and then the Bible says that without love it's it's often nothing there you know we got to have love we got to be able to have compassion and without that we don't without without that

[00:41:28] there's no there's no passion without that there is no culture and without that there's no hip hop even so without without all those without love and compassion you know we lose

[00:41:39] hip hop we lose church on the block we need church on the block we need we need to have the the enter twining of hip hop in the gospel and and and the culture that we live in today

[00:41:53] we have to have those things because without it we're not reaching anybody and and without reaching no in that and that's the great commission in itself we Jesus said therefore go and make disciples right of all nations baptizing and immunophiles

[00:42:08] and the whole spirit teaching them to obey everything I've commend you so we there's a think a lot of times we lose that that aspect of teaching them is we want to be right all the time

[00:42:21] and we want to be and we got to be right because we write and we can't we we can't that be right and if you disagree with me then you wrong and it's like we have to we have to be able to come

[00:42:32] come to our senses and say we love them or we want to see so safe and the way we're doing it is we want to gather not forsaken the gather you know like pass the foot you said the person

[00:42:45] asked you you know are you explicitly you know doing us for Jews and it's like this I mean well you know differently specifically you know it's like this like divide that then you know

[00:42:56] because if you if you tell me that I can't I can't go and reach you know not that's that's strong out right here on our hamlet you know then if I if I can't reach my brother that's on

[00:43:10] that's a difficult drugs because I'm saying hey man look this is what the statistics are on drug abuse and here are these programs that help you that I have not mentioned Jesus at all and within that

[00:43:25] but the love of Jesus came with it right and so we have to be able to talk about recidivism and talk about all of these things that are plaguing our neighborhoods and our hoods

[00:43:38] west side of the south side you know and and I know three is a Chicago win to Chicago win you know man you know hey so it's like we got to we got to be able to come together

[00:43:49] and set aside so many of our trivial differences yeah and come together for them sake of Jesus for the second law for the sake of his commissioning us to go and

[00:43:59] make the side goes and see yeah so I'm saying the fun to help and talk to them yeah it's easy for me to go around a country and be like blasts everybody you know that that the mother

[00:44:09] part of this hard to say how do we figure out how to work with our brothers who have a solid faith work with our brothers and this let's if we mobilize the church if if 10 churches

[00:44:20] south side won't join together west side you said many be over just 10 there's over 10,000 churches but it just 10 did that you were born like and did it for real it'll be over when

[00:44:32] it'll be an idea we did it for real we did it for real for real we would be like we are here we are here I mean day and night night and day yeah we were not working

[00:44:44] out money just not like y'all provided but man other people like we also give you awesome yeah yeah it's great yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah when this is what I'm talking about we're going

[00:44:54] to enjoy that space and being unified more than the challenge that people may see your feel others may have theologically in this space what does it mean what is it what is it

[00:45:06] what are the core areas of my life that I'm grounded in the faith and this other person is too great okay then we can agree in those spaces and grow and build in those spaces together let's pursue

[00:45:15] that child let's pursue that you know this is church on the block real talking about hip-hop church in the streets especially if you listen to it three Darryl from Chicago love having

[00:45:25] on here man you're gonna have y'all back for a second try to have a battle have a battle on on the show you know I love you bro you too man we see y'all man to be talking next

[00:45:36] end let me do yeah please it's time to drop bars you know as we talk about unity and the effort that it takes to really be unified or my job of story there was a man who was

[00:45:48] swimming in the swimming pool man and he was cool enough and swimming for a minute we were just getting refreshed so why it was cool day was hot and he was just trying himself off

[00:46:00] saw this other family really this day and his sons trying to push this car right outside of the beach area in climb kind of a street see they were struggling and just struggling to try to get

[00:46:11] this car out and he was wrestling in his mind like I just came off a great swim cool off of clean I don't want to get dirty other side of the light man is a great opportunity for you to help them

[00:46:22] and get this car out the way well the man and I'm going over to help them helped took a little bit with him and the father and the sons and they pushed this car and got it over when they needed

[00:46:33] to get it over and and I was safe everything was good the father stuck out his little dirty hand and then stuck out his dirty hand and shook hands and he said thank you man and the father said

[00:46:42] man I'm so glad you came along when you did because you had enough strength added to hours to make the thing go yo your unity your commitment to build unity maybe just enough strength

[00:46:58] that would others need to understand the level cracks focus on being unified and God will do the rest of the work