717. Can Christian Hip-Hop Set the Trends for Mainstream Music?

[00:00:00] The stories, the journeys, the testimonies, the spiritual detox. And yeah, Dice, the key to saying C.A.J. is dead and I promise you, uh... I didn't. You know that, you know, you got to, you know, Naysayans and some of the religious and churchy folk

[00:00:15] and some of the mainstream people say, uh, we cordial over here but I promise you every chance at every chance we get, we get a chance to highlight, uh, up in coming artists who was, uh, making it cool to be a believer.

[00:00:27] Uh, let's be very clear with especially when we talk about West Coast and uh... Shout out, uh, I remember the first song I heard from this young man. Yeah, he gave me a little nifty vibes. I ain't gonna lie. He gave me a little nifty vibes

[00:00:40] and listen, that's a good place because nifty is high on my list. Uh, uh, pop artists who have been influential to the game but also, ironically, has that sound. So listen, well now Mark, they do help us welcome in the super talented Tommy Zuko. What's up brother?

[00:00:56] Yeah, yeah, blessed bless you know, it's a pleasure to be here with you all. I'm an international privilege man. Come on brother, thank you for stopping by now. Oh, I'm so good. Thank you all for having me. Yeah.

[00:01:06] Well, you know, they say what's that old saying dice, cream rise to the crowd? I mean, I mean, to the top. I said the top. Yeah, I said the top and when you make up music, yeah, you own every DJ, uh, you know,

[00:01:16] great art when you make and dope music. So we excited to have a conversation with you. Cause yes, we got to get your roles. We're gonna get your roles now. You are making good quality music brother.

[00:01:25] Uh, it can play anywhere. It can play with us. It can play on mainstream. It can be sync ready. And uh, we've tell artists all the time. You have to make timeless. Uh, because yeah, you know, we still represent fights.

[00:01:37] I get it but we should still be in these conversations with these timers. It's what everybody else too. So I'm excited to talk with you. So come on, let's talk about a little bit about your favorite journey.

[00:01:46] I'm a bit of a journey with God has shown you man through your journey and how that impacts the music that you make currently now. Whoo. I mean, we still on that journey. You know what I mean?

[00:01:58] Um, so for me, uh, I was, I knew a little bit about God but I didn't really have a relationship. Um, my pops. He was always good to tell me how to pray. The Lord's prayer. He was very, uh, King James.

[00:02:12] So uh, but just growing up, I didn't really know that I could have a personal relationship with God. I'm like, yeah, right? You know what I'm saying? And then, top of 2020 in January, that was a night when I gave my life to Christ.

[00:02:26] It was just something I was wearing heavy on me. Like, you know, you need to get baptized and you get baptized. And I was like, nah, I'm not good enough. I can't completely backwards more thinking. And yeah, man, I've been walking across ever since January 4th, 2020.

[00:02:42] And this went up ever since. So yeah. What happened? Um, because you had released one single, I think it 2019. And then 2022, you just have not stopped. Yes. It's been like, do do do do do do do.

[00:02:57] With the singles, you know, but you know, like what was it that really kind of led you to the cross? Like, officially. Oh, man. I think it was like there was just, you know, there was a God-shaped hole in my life.

[00:03:11] I knew that I wanted to get it was like, it was just something that, you know, the Bible says, you know, paraphrasing of course, but, you know, if you teach your kids, they won't. They won't stay away from it. And it was just a longing for the Father.

[00:03:26] That's kind of like, you know? And I feel like, especially with losing my earthly father at a, I was like, fourteen. There's always been that emptiness of that.

[00:03:36] And so yeah, when I, uh, it was just, I was at, I was at church with a pretty girl who's now my wife. Come on now. And yes, he invited me to board and church and, uh, I'll leave her.

[00:03:48] I was a, uh, was it, was it resurrection Sunday? Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[00:03:58] He's not even going there. I thought he would go there. Don't answer him. He's the end of funny right now. Okay. Hey, look, it was, it was stores the end of the year. I know that's for sure.

[00:04:07] Oh, yeah, yeah, but um, but I was in there, man, and I heard of voices clears my own go. It's time. And I was like, okay. It's time. I don't know. I don't know if this is me thinking this.

[00:04:18] I don't know if it's, you know what I mean? It was hard for me to decipher. I really have my disarmed or smart popping in. So, um, so yeah, that's, that was when I just,

[00:04:27] that was when I just felt really convicted to go on the way in, not just ankle deep. You know, was it hard for you? You know, shots out of you, man, definitely from me in the wife and church. Yeah. You got to marry.

[00:04:40] Was it hard for you to be the leader and understand your role as being the priest to profit of the household? Was that like hard for you to adjust to and take on that burden with them big shoulders and be like, Oh, I got it.

[00:04:52] It was hard for me to understand what it meant. You know what I mean? And luckily, not even luckily. Blessfully, um, I have great men of God in my life that I can look to as examples.

[00:05:06] Um, you know, my pastor, I can see council from and it's very cool to just like, to see how they rock and then just try to use that as an example. But um, yeah, I didn't even know what it meant at first.

[00:05:18] And we had a small group here and my pastor came and then after everyone left, too, it's like you become the priest to your home and I was like, I felt it in my shot shot. So I was like, I've never seen anybody like that.

[00:05:34] So yeah, but I think it's just upholding, you know, those godly principles and just, and it's that it's that pouring into with an also being a willing to receive and and build it really build. So that's what uh, yeah, that's what it is. That's what I said.

[00:05:51] That's what I said. What would you have told your self 10 years ago versus versus now? I'll be like listen man, half in with Jesus. A set. Because you're terrific. Um, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, if it's never, what is it like people, you know,

[00:06:12] I hurt my pastor say something like, you know, there's sometimes people like, oh, wish I could have smoked one more cigarette, I wish I could have had one more drink. But nobody's ever like, man, I wish I would have waited to find Jesus.

[00:06:24] So I'm like tap in brother because the kingdom is available now. I like that. I mean, so yeah, I always think I'm like if you were to tell me about 10 years ago that you would have been not only following Jesus, but wrapping for Jesus out of the church.

[00:06:43] Shut up. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Tommy, do you think it there is? How do you think we do? We're going to talk a little church culture for a second and then for we get into this dope music you do.

[00:06:56] How good do you think we're doing as believers representing a faith? We talk about it all the time on the show about, you know, hypocrisy in the church and you know, we have a lot of people that go to church every

[00:07:07] Sunday and every Tuesday, Wednesday, doing the week and that. Bible study, but then they go back and live their separate lives that do not line up. Sometimes with the principles that we teach the principles that we pose to stand

[00:07:20] home on, you know, how do you think the culture of the church is doing in that area when you talk about the hypocrisy in the church currently? At least from your humble opinion. Oh, man. Oh, man. That I listen, God, see's everything.

[00:07:35] So you can pump fake all you want. We got, we got no the truth. You believe me. And just like with the hypocrisy is like, you know, people always want to have their actions judged by their heart, but they don't like to do it for everybody else.

[00:07:55] And so it's a big, great thing. We got to extend grace to those people and we got to be more welcoming to people. There's a lot of people that are saying I don't have a spirit of fear which I'll do outside.

[00:08:07] You know, we're bringing around these people that you know aren't churchy and it's like, you know what I'm saying? Who ain't come from the world? You feel me? Like, so yeah, I think I think people need to extend some grace and then he's stopping us so scared.

[00:08:22] And that'll be, that'll be I. Yeah, there's something we all want to say. Yeah, that'll be just like great. My goodness. Okay. Okay. Actually, you know, we talk about mental health all the time on the show.

[00:08:38] What's that one thing to keep show mental health or your mental well being in balance? You know, you of course, you know, your artist, you probably preach a little bit too as well. Are you a minister or or someone to church? Yeah, I'm in leadership.

[00:08:51] I'm not sure for sure. I'm spoken a couple times. Okay. So leadership at the church, you know, definitely, you know, Mary got the family. You're definitely up in common artists and probably everything else you do.

[00:09:02] What keeps you up mental well being balanced to where, you know, you know, do you do do any therapy, spiritual counseling from the elders, the pastors, maybe not even not a thing. You know, we just want to, you know, share anything you have on mental health.

[00:09:15] Yeah, so I'm not necessarily in therapy, but I've definitely dealt with like some some mental health stuff, especially coming up. But definitely having good people around to be able to not vent, but to be able to talk to and just and get those outside perspective.

[00:09:35] And of course, prayer life is essential just to be tapped in with the father and it's more so of listening rather than talking sometimes. But yeah, I would say having them good people around to keep, you know,

[00:09:50] how could that second opinion when you trip in and being like, you know what? Let me mellow out. So yeah, I would say the fam, the fam and the lord. The fam and the lord. And the lord. And the lord. And the lord. Everything, they hope you're accountable.

[00:10:06] I'm sorry to the family, the lord. Right. 100%. So let's talk about the West Coast life. Let's talk about this whole vibe, man, that's y'all got over there. First, you know, what first? Talk about your musical inspirations growing up, man.

[00:10:20] And how did they shape you into the artists that you are currently? Yeah. So, so I feel thankful for Kathy. Okay. I'm from Kathy. Yeah. Okay. Come on. So we do. Okay. And that's so funny to say, Louieville, because we say Louisville. It's Louisville. Yeah. It's okay.

[00:10:41] It's all good. Hey. I'm proclaiming the Ohio, man. I'm sorry. I'm from the Florida front. You're a man. I'm a radical. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Kevin Ticket, Becky. All right. Definitely. My pops. My pops was old school as I said earlier.

[00:10:55] So he was putting me on to like, you know, temptations on that motown era. And then like, zap and Roger was a huge influence for me. Um, it's a very hard job. Just like if. Yeah. I did what I'm saying. Just that bounce.

[00:11:09] And then my mom, she was put me on to like all things, 80s. And like, you know, I was always laughing new edition. And, you know, early R&B and stuff like that.

[00:11:20] So it's an array of different things because then I eventually found my own stuff that I like. So as a kid, I'm. I shouldn't have been listening to a lot of stuff.

[00:11:28] But as a kid, I'm listening to Snoop Dogg and two short and all this West Coast music that has elements from what my dad was playing and stuff. So it's definitely, you know, that golden era hip hop with that first golden era. We'll say that.

[00:11:42] And a lot of old school stuff. I still slap all that to this day. That's what's up. Um, show. Listen. I know you do what you do. Who are some of the people you've been able to work with so far where you were like,

[00:11:58] Yeah, how didn't see that happening. I can see that happening. Yeah. I mean, personally, the only one so far has been miles minute. And it was just because. It was like about faith. I did like a challenge and then it's like, Yo, this song's tough.

[00:12:20] Let's do the video for it. And I'm like, Oh, right. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that was, and it, you know, meaning in that built-in relationship off of that two, which is crazy. Um, but Jay, I've worked with some other up and coming CHA charges.

[00:12:33] They haven't dropped. No, like features. They haven't dropped no, no hints or nothing of releasing a feature saw. I don't know if I can expose them. It's okay. That's okay. That's okay. Let's hit it. Definitely when I was surprised with those miles for sure. Yeah. He's tough though.

[00:12:49] Absolutely. That's a little bit tough. Yeah, that's not something my own thing. That's a family man. Right. Who's that one artist you want to work with though? That you, you know, that maybe you haven't already done a collaboration with who's that one artist like,

[00:13:01] You know, they, they howling the list like it. They reach out. It's going down. Oh, man. For sure, John key. That fool is so tough. Um, yet for his production has different vibes that he pops out with. He can get real bloom, baby or real melodic.

[00:13:21] I think that's super tough and uh, and hovelty too. And that, that's crazy. I think we could cook something. That's what he does. So I want us to walk us through your creative process, man. You know, when you go on the lab to create, you know,

[00:13:35] Are you wanting to have to walk in and you already had your bars written out? Are you already looking at the hear the hook? Do you need to get a beat first? Take us through your creative process for creating the track.

[00:13:46] Hmm. So yeah, right now I'm in the dojo. This is where I, where I cook up and um, I start with the beat nine times out of 10 because I make all my beats. Okay. So, um, cooking up the beat and then the words come from there.

[00:14:03] I usually have to pull the words from the beat. But all right stuff all the time. Like I have like a notes app that's just lines and bars and things That I would like to say any time I get like a,

[00:14:14] Ooh, that was tough. I'll just type it real quick. So, so uh, but yeah, definitely the beat first and then I'll try to get the hook done Because it's like I want something that's impactful with that adjustable Like it then marinated hooked if you will.

[00:14:32] So yeah, that's a, I like to start with the beat first. I'll show it. I saw that. Do you have some artists that you, What? Well, we're like um, I really want to work with this person. Like if I get the opportunity,

[00:14:45] these are a few people that I really want to rock with. mainstream. They don't have to be on CHH. Oh, mainstream for real. I would love to do some stuff for for real. Um, I want a hook from Charlie Wilson.

[00:15:00] No, I'm a Charlie. You said you want a hook from Charlie Wilson. I just need a hook. I just need a hook. I just need a hook. I just need a hook. I just need a hook from Charlie. I'm going to tell you how long.

[00:15:13] Yeah, I'm going to lean in that Uncle Charlie. I'm going to let the last remix remix. The Blast remix remix remix. That's all that. Yeah, for sure. That's what we hear. Talk a little bit about the culture man and your humble opinion. What do you think we are?

[00:15:30] This small little sub-general CHH as the state of the culture. What do you think we are since you've been involved in it? Um, yes. Oh, my gosh. Shout out. Shout out as they will. He's been sending me like older CSA stuff because I'm trying to lie.

[00:15:44] I'm trying to do my research right. I'm trying to do my studies. Um, but I feel like right now we're at like a really. Violetless space. We're like a like a space right now where. I think the creativity is about to finally get over the mainstream stuff.

[00:16:04] It's like where CHH is about to be the one setting the trends. It's because from what I've heard and from what I've seen CHH is usually lagging a little bit, or though you like just a little bit behind. Yeah.

[00:16:17] And I think now it's like we're like right there and so not that. Not necessarily that we try to compete or any competition, but these mainstream artists is not rappin' tighter than CHH artists. Thanks. And here I feel me.

[00:16:33] So because we could easily do what they do, but they came necessarily do what we do. There's just keep it up. Yeah. I think this space right now is out of place where at least from what I've seen.

[00:16:44] It's just we want to build and we try to really jam for the land in a real way. You know what I mean? So. Is that challenging any time for you as an artist trying when you talk about, because you brought up a very valid point.

[00:16:59] You know, we can possibly, you know, we can kind of like be the carbon copy of them, but they can't be the carbon copy of us because you guys are doing it from a spiritual aspect. You're talking about testimonial stuff, life experiences.

[00:17:11] Does that get challenging sometimes for you when you go in the studio though to continue to create art that, you know, it's definitely a story telling, but also, you know, you can't use the profanity, you can't use the rockatory statements that constantly is being pushed into our palace.

[00:17:25] Does that be, does that challenging that time for you? It was super challenging at first. I'll say that because I was making, you know, regular rap for the longest time. And so I'd be writing and I'd be like,

[00:17:37] I could say this by can't say that in one word. You're in that lot and now it's like, I don't even think about it. You know what I'm saying? And I think especially too, these artists, man, if you hear this right now,

[00:17:49] pray before you get in that booth. Pray before you make that big get saturated. You know what I'm saying? Let's see if it's even a little bit. So yeah, I would say now it's not as hard. If our skill is super difficult. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. Okay.

[00:18:08] Well listen, who do you think are some of the top females in a game right now? Shout out to you guys. Woo! Yeah, my little face. Yeah, my little face. Yeah, I hear going crazy. Oh, she got my squabble. Correct. Yeah, that's my relation.

[00:18:24] So, I got my sister's portion of love. She got crazy. Yeah. Um, why don't they go in crazy? No way. Uh, Nisi Shalom going crazy now. Hmm. Here else is up man. There's another, another is a gang of more but no. Hey, go ahead and steal it. Right.

[00:18:42] Collaboration in the work and any collaborations you work on when they're in the other day? Hey, not yet but hey, I'm definitely open. Definitely open. Yeah. That's what I love. Like we can all walk in. I feel that effort. Yeah.

[00:18:55] All right, but we get you out of here. What you working on? You got a project, EP, mixed take coming out album? Come on talk about it. Yeah, yeah. So we got the new single. I just dropped a snippet of it yesterday. It's called Praise God Look Fly.

[00:19:07] Hmm. So, you know what I mean? I don't know when this drop and when these are to be praising God and looking fly. You know what I mean? Put your Sunday's best phone. And, uh, yeah man. So that's the next drop. Really excited.

[00:19:19] We got some really cool stuff. Tor, Tor with miles and CJ M.U.L.S. We're going on the Christlike USA Tour. Wow. Passing the tour city and we lighten the torch at Glofas. So I come here by the out there. Come on now. Movie.

[00:19:35] We don't be watching. Yeah, we definitely watch you. Maybe a project before the end of the year. Maybe a project before the end of the year? Nah, I'm gonna do. I'll do a project once there's a demand. Yeah. I'm just gonna keep some acting in these singles.

[00:19:51] But I've been, but yeah, I've been thinking about a project. We might have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pray about that. Pray about that. Yeah. I feel like me and Dyson just sit with a whole body of work now. You play with a nerds over 80. Play with a nerds.

[00:20:04] Yeah, we always do. We like to get a whole project. Take us to the story. We want to come out from intro to outro. And listen. Talk your talk. We want to come into your life. I'm gonna speak the other mind too, and I'm making it.

[00:20:20] I'm gonna let Dyson focus. This is rock. That's no, bro. We want to, we want to expose someone going to play in France. We definitely are here to support you. Because you're doing some wonderful things for the kingdom. So thank you. Keep up the thing. Thanks so much.

[00:20:33] Absolutely. Last question for me gets out here. We always ask man, if you could pick three artists from any genre of music, that are alive to make a super group. What three artists she picked? Oh, my gosh. You want to do this at the end?

[00:20:46] I'm like, how much time we got? Okay. So super group. Yeah. First of all, okay. I'm getting job wrong. Any job. Oh yeah, we're going to put it down. So I'm gonna do for real because I know he's going to come through with that writing in that production.

[00:20:57] Mm-hmm. Then, okay, we're just going to get anybody. Let's just come through with a handmaker. Michael Jackson. Okay. Because there, because I don't know if you'll know. He did that just the time we're like, I'm not supposed to be for Michael Jackson.

[00:21:09] So I already know that hits is going to be hidden. And then who really else are you going to get in there? Ooh. Ooh. She said three. Yeah, three. Ah, that's right. All right. Let me see. I'm gonna, I'm gonna pay the person that people be saying.

[00:21:25] I look like Bruno Mars. Oh, wow. Not to Bruno. We was just talking about leaving that. I don't know. I wanted to talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm playing here. I'm doing it like Bruno Mars. That's not thinking about it. He just a little shorter.

[00:21:43] That's what I'm saying. That's your crowd. That's your crowd. That's your crowd. That's your crowd. Especially with the crowd off. You're right. That's what I'm saying. That's crazy. That's going to be a crazy collaboration though. Michael Jackson Bruno Mars is well as for real. Oh, my goodness.

[00:22:00] I hope you got your bars up because they're going to be challenging you, board. The production. And Michael, you and the group. It's so super good. You still, you still believe it. I just want to leave it to group. It's your group.

[00:22:11] I was just thinking like who I wanted to hear. There's no lack of music. I'm going to have to. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's how it sounds good. That's what I'm saying. That's how it sounds good. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[00:22:24] We appreciate you coming through kicking the wood as a man. Can you tell the people how they connect with you? Tell me how they can follow you on all your social media platforms. Absolutely. It's a check in man. It's time to do go everywhere. Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

[00:22:35] You can find your boy. I ain't hiding. And you get it, man. Y'all say tapped in. Make sure that you are a praising guy and you're looking fly. You already know on the fix. It's lit. Yeah. Real conversations from real, imperfect people. In pursuit of a perfect God.

[00:22:55] Let's jump into today's real talk topic. Kind of get really neat streets. And you'll talk top of the day. Do you identify with your flesh? Yeah. Yeah. I stopped all the other. You know, understanding the flesh and you know.

[00:23:13] Our human nature at times and how it rises up. It's a constant war in the dice with the flesh and the spirit. So yeah. We've got to talk about this flesh a little bit today. Yeah.

[00:23:24] I know some people are in a flesh and don't want to hear it. Good. I'm glad I'm glad. Stay right there. Good. Give us 15 minutes. We're going to go. We're going to let you life. I mean, and shout out to Pastor Randy and Evansville in the end.

[00:23:39] And he really preaches on this subject and just really brings it to light a lot. We're living in two places at once, right? We're spiritual individuals but we're having our earthly experience as well. You know, like we're from heaven, but we're on earth.

[00:23:54] You know, so we do have to understand there. There's a difference between this our spirit man and our physical man. And this is this is one. I think this is what trips people up the most when it comes to giving their life to Christ.

[00:24:09] Like, it's not just you giving your body to Christ. You know, I want to give how I dress now to you Lord. I want to, you know, you know, saying like, you know, what? No, what kind of perfume I wear now? I don't know.

[00:24:22] Like, it's not just your body. Like if anything, got want your spirit and your heart more than anything. But the flesh always trips us up. I mean, you just are full of sand we're born and sand. We're simple people regardless of these people like stop sand.

[00:24:39] I'm a sinner. Just trying to stay safe. No, we are sinners. Like don't please don't get beside yourself. I think you're God today. I feel sorry for y'all who think you were just perfect. And you're like, nah, I'm not sinning. I'm doing everything right.

[00:24:53] Like every day we sin. That's why when we pray. That's why when we pray, we ask God to forgive us for our sins. Those known and unknown because we are making mistakes. And we are being led by the flesh sometimes.

[00:25:06] And you know, I think the easiest things to call out or how we respond to people when we're irritated. It's never nice. It's never nice. Like, we become short. You know, we are quick to throw jobs. So people will get away from us and leave us alone.

[00:25:22] I could just be talking about myself. But definitely like the sweets that we like to eat, you know, like, Yeah, I'm not going for the sin of bond. I'm going for the sin of bond. And I know I don't need that right now.

[00:25:36] But the flesh wants what the flesh wants. And it was explained to me a long time ago in church that the flesh came from the dirt. Came from the earth, came from the ground. That's where the flesh is going to return.

[00:25:52] But as it's wrapped around your spirit, it still wants to go back where it was. Still wants to die, you know, if you can get that picture. So everything the flesh draws you to is going to draw you to death. That's it.

[00:26:05] This is this is the easiest breakdown. You know, that you will ever get of what the flesh wants. It's often jealous. It's often inviose. It's often a gets anger. You know, that's why people like to get addicted to things.

[00:26:24] You know, sex drugs, alcohol, you know, because the flesh likes to be numb and to feel kind of dead at times. So I'm just saying, it likes to be entertained. But any who, and for those of you who like, nah, I don't have that problem.

[00:26:39] I'm like, okay, remember my brothers just to tell me, like, that they will go sleep with somebody. And as soon as they like really had their little release, they didn't care anymore about the person they were sleeping with.

[00:26:49] They're like, it's so easy to do, which less you know, you were in the flesh when you had your moment because there's no connection to the person you just had an experience with. And so I'm like, the flesh wants what it wants and it's strong.

[00:27:01] So when you're feeding your flesh images and of eye, eye, Dollar tree and images that stimulate you differently, like the flesh will kill you if you don't have enough spirit to battle it, you know? And so that's why we got to keep dying to the flesh.

[00:27:17] That's why the Bible was like, we had die daily. We had a decrease, we got a die daily, you know? And that just means we have to continue to not be led by the flesh, you know?

[00:27:27] Can't do everything our body wants us to do because this body is art control, okay? The body is art control. And yeah, that's why we need God. We need to be led of the Holy Spirit to constantly try to at least do the right thing every day.

[00:27:43] I don't even see how people get through life for this word out of Jesus. Like, I don't see how I get through my day without God.

[00:27:49] I don't, like it would be a, I feel sorry for the people around me if there was ever a day I woke up and was like, yeah, no, I don't love Jesus anymore. It's not a whole issue.

[00:27:57] When I say, it's going to make the news because I know me. I know, I'm making the news. Yeah, because I know me, like I know me without God in this scary.

[00:28:07] That's why I'm like, nah, I'm thinking God that I now have the Holy Spirit so that I do know how to do it. So that I do know how to say, okay, flesh you about the rise up.

[00:28:15] But I got to make sure you're, you know, you're not going to do that. So yeah, we're going to talk about that. No, no, yeah, you, you, you said some great points and you said that. Sending by on thing, you know, got my spirit off.

[00:28:28] That's a good first thing. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. Talk about enough when you talk about that. Let me and us feed in our flesh. You know, he wasn't till about, I'm beyond what you,

[00:28:38] but four years ago, maybe, I think about four years ago, maybe five. Yeah, I think it's maybe five years ago, maybe 20, either either 2016 or 2017, one of those years. But yeah, I came across, I don't know who it was. Somebody sent me a, I believe it's called a,

[00:28:53] Muck Bang video and, muck that. Yeah, it was a muck main video and it was all seafood. It was, uh, a Korean woman eating all these different, oh, yeah, chicken, keep eating food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right right.

[00:29:09] So I'm beyond what you, that was my first time really. I promise you God, revealed it to me. Why? Why was watching this? It's just a random little YouTube video. And I forget the young ladies name, but if you look up muck bang seafood, bang, seafood back.

[00:29:23] I was looking up different things to put in the seafood bags. Yeah, because you know, I like seafood. Yeah, I came across this video or maybe somebody sent it either way. Mm-hmm. That was the first time I really understood, let me to a whole another level.

[00:29:38] No, no, no, seriously. Sometimes, again, I'm a visual person. Sometimes, I got to see it to his whale. So like, you know, I know I have an issue. My flesh sometimes has an issue with overeating. But when I saw this young lady,

[00:29:50] and I would not tell you that she was little or than you. This, I mean, I guess, uh, get there. Yeah, yeah, she couldn't have been about 120 pounds. Yep. And she had pounds and pounds. Oh, yeah. The seafood in front of me.

[00:30:04] What I was saying, pounds, I say, she must have had a sponsor. Because I know we're laughing tales, cause I know it's quite a big sponsor. I know we're going to move up those calls. I know, or she's just, you know, she had that all.

[00:30:15] She had at least eight different options in front of her. Yeah. She was just sitting there. Mm-hmm. Just crushing. And I was like, and I'm beyond so much of she was smacking. And when she was, I know she was like, I know. I was like, yeah,

[00:30:31] this ain't God was like, see, this is what you do when you obey me. You see all this? This, this is not what you supposed to do. I did not give you your temple. You need this beautiful temple to overeat and then you wonder why, you know,

[00:30:45] when you got to go to the doctor and the doctor said, well, you might want to lose weight. You get in there. You know, you get in that range of that medical high blood pressure or cholesterol. High, this is going on. This is going on,

[00:30:56] but you didn't do it yourself because you won't control your flesh. So yeah, I just want to print that picture. But anybody who's doing those mukbang things, listen, this is my personal, I think y'all should do it. You should stop doing it if you believe it.

[00:31:08] Because it does push, you got this full spread here. Okay. And you're telling people that eat all this stuff and then they were coordinated and then broadcasted like this. The news reported so, like, this ain't nothing good to report. What we're doing,

[00:31:23] you should have had at least 20 people sitting at that table eaten with her knife. She had about 20 people sitting in the table. You're like, I get it. Yeah. Cause you know, the clown bags and we do stuff like that too. Where we have a couple night down.

[00:31:35] Everybody just put all the food in the middle. That's right. Everybody just grab from this section. You can make a game and you just, you know, do you think? Or you look bold on the side. That's right. It was just one woman talking about

[00:31:45] she crushing all this food. I say, no, this is good. That's so fresh. Got you doing that. It's a play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We identified with our flesh and dice. And then we want to put some Bible on that thing. Don't we?

[00:31:57] Well, yeah, of course. You know, like I said, we already given our little spill, but I want people to know a straight out of the word. Galatians chapter 5, 19th, 21 says now the works of the flesh are evident, which are adultery, fornication, on cleanliness, ludeness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions,

[00:32:15] jealousy, ambitions, dissentions, hearsay, e, envy, murders, drunkenness, rivalries, and the like of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time pass, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And Galatians 5, 16th, 17 says,

[00:32:39] I say then walk on the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh, against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary to one another. So that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 3, 5 says,

[00:32:55] therefore put to death, your members which are on earth, fornication, uncleanliness, passion, evil desire, and covetous, which is idolatry. So we have plenty plenty of scriptures that constantly remind us that you're going to fight, wanting to do these things. You're going to fight, wanting to blaspheme, gossip,

[00:33:15] being holy, unforgiving, out of control. You're going to have to fight being a headstrong, hotty person, and that's all in Timothy. And so it's like, that's why Christ came because he already knew, like I have to go conquer the flesh

[00:33:31] to show them that they can conquer the flesh. That's what part of this whole passion of Christ was. He came to show us, yes, you can be tempted, but he didn't sin. That's why I'm like, I think we got to talk about that as well too.

[00:33:46] We can be tempted. Yeah, we tempted all the time. But we don't need a fall for the Okdoke. You know? That's why we have Christ. That's why we have the Holy Spirit. That's why Jesus died on the cross. So, you know,

[00:33:59] he went and got the keys from hell, like no, no, we're going to kill that flesh. Flush guy, flesh guy, okay, that's what's going to happen. And so in order for us to really get all of our benefits,

[00:34:10] that God wants to give us to walk in the fullness of His grace and His love, we have to continue to stop walking in the flesh. And really be led of the Spirit as much as we can. Like even with somebody asked us for whatever those,

[00:34:23] they could ask us for a long, but like let me pray about it real quick. You know what I'm saying? Like let me ask my, you know, significant other, but we're going to pray and see if we should give you what you're asking for.

[00:34:34] Like you know what I'm saying? Because sometimes people help out of pride. Oh, yeah, I want to be the big dog. Or I want to be looked at a certain way. I want to be looked at like I got it all under control.

[00:34:44] But if you don't have it, and that's what you need to say. I don't have it. And I tell my kids, this is so funny because one of one of our signs that told us one day, I don't like telling people no, you know,

[00:34:56] and I don't want people thinking I don't have no money. And I said, really? Just tell him, yeah, yeah, he said, I'm not telling him, I just tell him, I do have it, but I don't have it for you. You know, I don't have it for you.

[00:35:08] It's already a lot of it for something else. And then that way, you're able to tell the truth. And you also get to let them know like, I appreciate you asking me because you know I kind of handle my business,

[00:35:18] but I've got to be honest with you and let you know like everything is been a lot of, you know what I'm saying? So I can't take it from my house to give to you, you know, but here's $20 now. God bless you happy day.

[00:35:28] So I learned a hard way guys. I learned a hard way, that's what I'm doing. That's a good way. I've never been very, I wouldn't try to save everybody, but I thought I thought to your point, something some of it was pride. Well,

[00:35:39] now I don't be honest with you. I didn't really care. I wasn't really trying to be the big man like, oh, I long somebody money, but people, yeah, some of my people didn't want to pay back. So that was that's what I learned. No, no way,

[00:35:50] I'm making a minute. So absolutely, I didn't took my half took it from my house, because whether or not, whether it's out of my savings or whether it's out of your house. It's still from my household and then you don't pay me back in time.

[00:36:01] So this is not, I think it's what 2002 last time I loaned out any dollar. Yeah, I don't loan our money. I saw a seed if I had it. I didn't know right? I knew it because now I'm not in and it's been two years of month.

[00:36:14] That's what it is. Tell me then I look up in the month and you still ain't paid me. And I got to go back and forth with you and get my blood pressure all up. Why? Why? And that's why. There you go.

[00:36:24] Like, that's a great way to not get into the flesh. We use that as a level setting level setter over here. Like, the elderly ask me, hey, so the such, you know, I was asking for this. I said can we afford to give it away?

[00:36:36] You know, like without needing it. Like you don't say like that's a good place to start. Like if they don't give you back to $25, you know what I'm saying? Is it going to be an issue? You know what I'm saying? I'm saying it.

[00:36:48] Yeah, because now I'm in my flesh. You know what I'm saying? So we can't both be in our flesh. You know what I'm saying? Me, she's in her car. We're in the drive, right? Yeah, what do my money at? Okay, don't play.

[00:36:59] But no, we definitely have enough scripture that shows us. Like this has been an issue for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And that's why I'm saying like Christ died. So we wouldn't have to be in our flesh.

[00:37:11] Like we can actually lean on all the power of God and get the things we need. You know, like it's just about us walking in faith, trusting God, you know, believing and praying, and being patient, knowing that God has got it all in control.

[00:37:26] So yeah, but when we get in our flesh and we think God ain't hurt our prayer. When you take into long, we'll go get a stupid loan for something. And we ain't got no business getting loan for us. Oh, my goodness.

[00:37:36] Yeah, I was a paid, I lived with him. Payed loan, paid a loan. Listen, I've been down that long. That's all, yeah. Yeah, it's all the terrible systems. It's a terrible system. We're going to drop off. They won't keep you stuck.

[00:37:48] I was going for one payday loan to the next one. But pay the other one back. I'll just go, how do you go get the loan to pay back alone? Listen, I've got it done.

[00:37:57] So yeah, if you please don't get caught up in that and then credit cards because it's a mess. Yeah. If you ain't got it, believe it's like what happened. You ain't got it. Just saying I got it. It's there. I love saying no.

[00:38:09] Like I have mastered the art of, I had no. I don't have it. God bless you. I mean, friend, somebody going to come along and give it to you. I know. I just keep trusting the Lord. Let's keep trusting the Lord. Let's keep trusting the Lord.

[00:38:20] But yeah, we, you know, we just, we got to watch our flesh. That's it. Heart check. Two is well dice. I think someone else just just talking in this conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes take a heart check.

[00:38:32] I allow for God to cleanse and purify your heart from all these fleshly desires. So again, you know, just examine the situation. Make sure that, you know, again, you're taking most spiritual. You're talking to God more.

[00:38:44] You can't even involve because I think that will be a huge, huge benefit to you too as well. And also, you know, let's be very clear. We've victorious in God. So I gotta realize, you're can't keep living in lifestyle. That's my place in the heaven. Oh, God.

[00:39:01] Continue and give it to the flesh. God, what was to now? Yeah, I don't want to hit a real. Well, I was going to say the actual word is that if we are in our flesh, that's when we don't love God. Yes.

[00:39:14] So it's kind of like you know, you know, knowing like Galician's five 24 says and those who are in Christ. Like we've been crucified with Christ. You know, the flesh has been crucified, you know, because because of his passion and his desire for us.

[00:39:29] So it's like when we choose to pick back up that flesh, we totally disness everything Christ has done for us. So that's why I'm like we really have to learn to like,

[00:39:39] yeah, it really be dead to the flesh when it comes to making decisions in life, you know? And it's a tough thing, but I promise she was easier to sleep at night, knowing you were led of God all day. Mm-hmm. It's so easy to sleep.

[00:39:52] Like God, if you come and get me tonight, I know I have done everything you ask me to do. I wasn't doing it selfishly for me. You know, I was doing whatever it was like even with us.

[00:40:03] Love my family, pay my bills, take care of my kids, do my ministry. Like I wasn't led of the flesh. I didn't want selfish gain or that have my face large on a flyer, on a billboard,

[00:40:13] or you know, for to get millions of views, or you know, like it was all for you truly out of my spirit, like in spirit and in truth. You know, that's how we didn't be. So yeah, and it's flesh, kick rock sometimes.

[00:40:27] Something I just really need to tell it that too. Mm-hmm. And the good thing to us with God does show us grace. Sometimes, you know, we have to embrace God's grace in moments of weakness and seek his strength to overcome these flesh that might be rising up.

[00:40:43] So, you know, don't be too self-up, but hold yourself accountable. It's just too full of things. You know, sometimes you're going to be weak and you might give into it, but don't keep giving it to it again.

[00:40:52] I gave the example there's no way you should be a part of a ministry for, you know, a year, six months and nothing's changed. You ain't put down nothing. You ain't changed. Nothing guys powering help you stop going over a poogie house in the middle of the night.

[00:41:06] I'm just saying, you know, poogie, you know, kisha and them and you. I'm just saying something to change, you know, you ain't put the cigarette down. Not at least for a couple of days. I mean, you can go on for years.

[00:41:18] You ain't had the strength to put the down for a couple of days and see what that goes. I think that is starting to think about people's names more like, because like poogie and men man and big Mike, like they always end up getting like these relationships.

[00:41:32] But you don't never hear nobody like, keep in with it like that. Ishmael or you know what I'm saying or a Daniel? You don't. But when they go these little weird names, you need to watch out for it. You know, like everybody else. That's hip hop influence dice.

[00:41:47] So we only, that's a whole other real talk to because a lot of that's influenced from hip hop and the culture. It's a little nicknames. Yeah, yeah, you know, nobody wants to, the good guy anymore. They want to hug.

[00:41:58] They want to, you know, I'm saying the street guy. They want to know the crowd. I'm just saying, but if it's just so right, that's what majority of the women are going or you've got to be an athlete or entertainer or something.

[00:42:10] So you see, you know, you the street guy or you the athlete, you're in danger. Yeah, well, they think that, but that ain't that ain't this. Well, that ain't it. We appreciate Bruno Mars a little brother coming about a day. Tell me, Zuko, join us today and listen.

[00:42:30] That was from his mouth if you missed the interview. He said, yeah, everybody say he, he looks like a little bit like Bruno Mars and the right. And to he said it, I've been looking at pictures all the time. Do I say like he do someplace and everything.

[00:42:45] Right. He had all people just like him. Wow. Yeah. But we excited for him. He's making new music. He's working on the project. Why are he working on singles? He's saying work doing the project is yet. But he got some. I think it's coming. I'm real soon.

[00:42:58] He got that pray for your homies. Single that's running the numbers up right now and he got a little bit of that nifty hustle type flow. He reminds me of nifty hustle a little bit.

[00:43:08] So yeah, excited to talk with him more and he's doing some going on tour with Miles Menick. Shops, I think Miles Menick is ready going tour. Do his thing with all the glores. That's cute. That's cute. I love that. Miles is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:27] As Miles is off the hook, he's been doing this thing for a while. So super excited for him and definitely Tommy Zuko to his well. And that flash dice you just wanted to deposit that in the spirit this morning on just

[00:43:38] that flashes of his being standing there to tell you. How you thought up in your mind thinking you do a great thing and you're doing number one. The right. Yeah. Well, but we got to discern the difference. So we guys talk about it.

[00:43:51] You know, and maybe tough and people may want to live there. It is a fun place sometimes that is getting your flesh be there. But then, who? That flash to take you to a place you shouldn't know. You shouldn't go too.

[00:44:03] So we got to get better as spiritual beings. I think we've mastered being fleshly what beings on this earth. Like we humans are the king of learning. What does it look like to be a moth flesh?

[00:44:14] Like, but kingdom citizens need to learn how to be in their spirit. You know? So yeah, hopefully you guys got something out of this one because I know that. It's always tough when we talk about ourselves. You know, it's easier to talk about everybody else than any problems.

[00:44:28] But when we talk about who my flesh is like, wait a minute. I like my flesh. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Let us know how that work out for you because usually it gets to a trouble. That pleasure gets to a trouble.

[00:44:40] Shall I say everybody that really know when you come to the faith and you really want to re-dedicate your life or get strong in God. It's a lot of the growth we've got to make. Like a lot of changes. Different things.

[00:44:54] You know, I'm starting doing and your flesh go fight you because again, yeah, you've been doing it that way for 20 years. 30 years. 40 years. I don't know. 10 years. How long you been doing it? So you used to it. You comfortable with it.

[00:45:07] And you think in the role of me, I got to change. You do. You do. You do. You do. You do. You do. You do. You do. You do. You don't do. You do. You do.

[00:45:22] You don't have a good circle that holds you accountable every now and then in case you are speaking to your flesh or you do something that you need to be head accountable for. You need to have trusted people saying, hey, maybe look this way this time or do

[00:45:35] it. Do it this way next time or yes, you know, you don't represent, you know, your family, God. Everything else. The right way what you do these things because it's bigger than just you. Everybody realizes it's bigger than just you.

[00:45:47] It's usually, you know, most of us have family involved. We have kids involved, dentistry where we're attached to people. So yeah, things you do in caught up in that flesh. Uh-huh. Everybody's looking and you know, the enemy always want to expose us. So yeah.

[00:46:03] I thought to keep running. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Well, that was good. Yeah, we love y'all. We gotta get out of here but go out and be great today. Uh-huh. Uh, salute to everybody that said the salvation predator day. Mm-hmm.

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[00:46:30] We want to be here for you. We want to make sure that, you know, we are growing with you. And if you got questions, concerns, it's best to reach out to somebody for you to go bus and move in. I know business door. There you go. Yeah.

[00:46:43] Good part. I get your kind of ability partner in this season. I think it's good for each and every level of whatever it is you're on, you know, concerned in business or mental or spirit like having somebody there to kind of, you

[00:46:55] know, bounce things off of and it kind of keep you, you know, balance just good thing. Yeah, absolutely. Um-hmm. Always remember to stay focused on turning it negative into a positive. Jesus Christ is always the answer. Kingdom of advancement should always be your goal. The fix is in.

[00:47:12] We out. Peace.