In this episode of the Christ Revolution Music Radio Show, B.E.R.I.D.O.X. interviews Jules Judah, a talented musician, songwriter, and musical director. Jules shares his musical roots from a West Indian church background and his journey through the industry, including his education at the Fame school and collaborations with gospel legends. He also discusses his move to LA during the pandemic and its effects on his career.
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[00:00:51] Hey yo everyone welcome to another episode of the Christ Revolution Music Radio Show
[00:00:55] Right here on Holy Culture Radio We got a brother in the house
[00:01:00] He's going to share his story man So I'm welcoming to the show Jules Judah, our brother
[00:01:08] And yo Jules what's going on man how you doing?
[00:01:10] What's good bro, it's a pleasure to meet you It's a pleasure to meet your audience
[00:01:14] It's a pleasure to meet you
[00:01:15] Same here man we're happy to have you here Jules as I was talking before we got started
[00:01:22] He was sharing a lot of different things of what he's been called to do and what he's called to do now
[00:01:28] So Jules we love to hear your story man When we start about background
[00:01:33] Well let's establish what you used to do as a role in what you do now first
[00:01:39] Let's ask that question
[00:01:40] Absolutely
[00:01:41] Well I am primarily a songwriter
[00:01:50] I've been writing since I was in high school
[00:01:56] Prior to that I was a musician
[00:01:59] So I still do both
[00:02:01] And I now stand in front of a group of people called the Judah camp as Jules Judah
[00:02:09] And I started as a musician playing for different people
[00:02:15] My background I grew up in the West Indian church
[00:02:18] My parents were from Grenada
[00:02:21] And I went to the fame school
[00:02:24] The fame school because the TV show fame was filmed from this school called the Gordia High School in New York
[00:02:34] And from there I've just been someone to make my dreams manifest
[00:02:41] Kyle Walker was my favorite artist
[00:02:44] And when I went to school I started meeting people from his team from his camp
[00:02:50] They called me around and I started from the bottom
[00:02:55] And now I'm one of his primary, premier songwriters and his musical director
[00:03:04] I've written many songs that some of you may know
[00:03:10] If you listen to gospel music Faithful is Our God
[00:03:14] Calling my name
[00:03:18] God favors me
[00:03:21] Great expectations by JJ Harrison
[00:03:25] God made me who I am, Mississippi Madness
[00:03:28] Come home
[00:03:33] The list goes on and on
[00:03:36] I've been writing songs
[00:03:39] And I got some in the pipe now
[00:03:43] It's gonna make some change
[00:03:46] That's my thing, I wanna be able to impact the world
[00:03:49] That's good stuff
[00:03:52] Yeah, that's the background
[00:03:54] Songwriter, musician and now what you do
[00:03:59] So let's go backwards first
[00:04:02] Because you don't just step in the songwriting
[00:04:05] You don't just step into musicianship
[00:04:07] Like where did those elements show in the early years for you?
[00:04:12] What was your upbringing that brought you into songwriting and musician?
[00:04:18] What instruments were you playing?
[00:04:20] How was that playing out when you were young?
[00:04:23] Well, yeah, my father
[00:04:26] My father's a brilliant songwriter
[00:04:28] He's also a brilliant speaker
[00:04:33] And he plays the guitar
[00:04:39] For me, my approach is like his
[00:04:44] Because it's mental
[00:04:47] It's more mental than it is performative
[00:04:50] So I'm going to do something that is going to
[00:04:55] Touch the soul more so than fancy the airs
[00:05:01] So to speak
[00:05:04] And I discovered that from a young age
[00:05:07] When I wrote calling my name
[00:05:09] And I seen the kind of checks that came with it
[00:05:13] Prior to that, I was on the jazzy tip
[00:05:17] And just doing stuff that give you the ooze and eyes
[00:05:21] But then when I see young musicians
[00:05:23] Yeah, when I've seen what the simplicity does
[00:05:28] Which is something that my dad taught me
[00:05:30] So from the age of two I was playing drums
[00:05:34] Everybody plays drums when they start
[00:05:36] That's the first, right?
[00:05:37] Yeah, and then my...
[00:05:39] Every instrument I said that I wanted
[00:05:43] To venture into my father's border for me
[00:05:46] So I played the bass, I played the guitar
[00:05:50] And through that I've learned
[00:05:52] In high school string instruments like
[00:05:55] The cello and the double bass
[00:05:58] Violet and viola
[00:06:00] I'm terrible on those but at least I...
[00:06:02] You went through it
[00:06:04] Yeah, I know the concept
[00:06:06] And overall it's about 26 instruments
[00:06:11] And I've been in love with music all my life
[00:06:17] Yeah, that's good stuff
[00:06:20] So how young were you when you wrote calling my name?
[00:06:24] What age were you then?
[00:06:26] 16
[00:06:27] What was the significance of how did that come to you at that age?
[00:06:31] Like what was the Lord taking you through
[00:06:34] Because it's such a pivotal moment, right?
[00:06:38] When you hear God calls your name
[00:06:39] So how did that play out?
[00:06:41] So I wrote it as 16 and sat on it for some years
[00:06:45] Because it wasn't a big deal to me
[00:06:47] To me it was like a simple song
[00:06:50] And I wanted to kind of give people
[00:06:53] The complex version
[00:06:56] So I played that for Bishop Walker
[00:06:59] He was past the heads at the time
[00:07:01] He was like nah, I need...
[00:07:03] And you know I had a little drive complex part
[00:07:06] At the end of it he was like nah let's just make it
[00:07:09] Simple as make it
[00:07:11] Church and what made me write that song
[00:07:15] Was the fact that
[00:07:18] I was a 16 year old doing what 16 year olds do
[00:07:23] And still found myself
[00:07:26] One thing about me is
[00:07:28] I don't know how to go to church
[00:07:31] And play a role
[00:07:33] Gotcha
[00:07:34] So if I say
[00:07:36] If I'm in the midst of the Father
[00:07:38] And I tell him Lord I love you
[00:07:42] Immediately my mind
[00:07:45] As a young man my mind is going to
[00:07:47] Go back to what I did last week
[00:07:51] Last night
[00:07:53] Last year
[00:07:55] And when I'm constantly in his presence
[00:08:00] And still have to deal with
[00:08:03] The consequence of being a contradiction
[00:08:08] But yet I still hear you calling my name
[00:08:11] Immediately that's what I wrote
[00:08:13] That's how I felt and that's what I meant
[00:08:16] So that's just...
[00:08:19] And I was...
[00:08:20] You know I have friends
[00:08:22] I'm from New York
[00:08:24] I have friends and we've all been in places
[00:08:27] Where we should have died
[00:08:30] We've all been in predicaments where
[00:08:33] God shouldn't have been showing us this type of mercy
[00:08:36] So I was grateful for that
[00:08:38] And I wrote that
[00:08:40] Most of the time it's not really me writing
[00:08:43] I don't ever see my writing as
[00:08:47] My gift
[00:08:49] Usually it's literally
[00:08:53] An expression that's lent for the people
[00:08:56] So I'm just a vessel
[00:08:59] But as a vessel I'm grateful
[00:09:02] I'm gracious and
[00:09:05] That song was a song really of gratitude
[00:09:08] That I'm still here
[00:09:10] Still able to be who I am
[00:09:12] And I've been writing repentant songs
[00:09:15] That season I was writing them
[00:09:19] It was coming to you
[00:09:21] That makes sense
[00:09:23] There's one less popular but everyone loves it
[00:09:26] It's called Come Home
[00:09:28] Same...
[00:09:30] People started asking me
[00:09:33] And Timiny Figaro was vocalist on both songs
[00:09:36] Everybody started asking me
[00:09:38] What's wrong with you guys?
[00:09:40] He said, why are you only writing us?
[00:09:43] He said that was the lane the Lord had you in
[00:09:46] Until you were able to shift into more revelation
[00:09:49] And I don't think a lot of times people
[00:09:52] Understand that as a songwriter
[00:09:55] You gotta live life
[00:09:57] And open yourself up to God
[00:09:59] And then the words come
[00:10:01] And the messaging comes
[00:10:03] So they may not have understand
[00:10:05] That at that time when you wrote it
[00:10:07] That's what you were seeing
[00:10:09] That's what you were receiving
[00:10:11] It's easier to understand
[00:10:13] Because you're crafting it
[00:10:15] And you remember and recall everything that's going on
[00:10:17] At that time period
[00:10:19] But for the outside
[00:10:21] They are blessed by the song because of the messaging
[00:10:24] But they may not, like you said, understand
[00:10:27] Wait a minute, why is this like this?
[00:10:29] And it's like, you know
[00:10:31] Just let me keep growing
[00:10:33] Absolutely
[00:10:35] So you said you went to the famous school of fame
[00:10:39] And it was popular when we was growing up
[00:10:41] It was so super popular
[00:10:43] So when you were going there
[00:10:45] Was the show already running?
[00:10:47] The show was over
[00:10:49] It was over at that time but it still had that name
[00:10:51] Yeah, I mean that's the thing
[00:10:53] If you're not from New York
[00:10:55] That's what people are associated with mostly
[00:10:59] It's the fact that it's that cool
[00:11:01] The TV show
[00:11:03] They moved from that campus to a better facility
[00:11:07] And it literally was a school with people in leotards
[00:11:13] Walking around
[00:11:15] Dancers and actors
[00:11:17] And you know
[00:11:19] The Wayans brother went to my school
[00:11:21] Omar Epps went to my school
[00:11:23] Bokeem Woodbine
[00:11:25] Went to my school
[00:11:27] Yeah, these are all people that we see on TV
[00:11:31] Yeah, you know what I mean
[00:11:33] So it was that type of place
[00:11:35] You know
[00:11:37] Me and Timmy went there
[00:11:39] And we ran the gospel choir
[00:11:41] Yes, though
[00:11:43] Yeah, it was that type of place
[00:11:45] Great memories there
[00:11:47] So when you think about it
[00:11:49] Do you think it desensitized you to
[00:11:53] Quote unquote the celebrity
[00:11:55] The fame of things
[00:11:57] Because for you it was an everyday experience
[00:12:01] When you see all these different classmates
[00:12:03] Or people that went there
[00:12:05] And what they go on to become
[00:12:07] For you it didn't seem that
[00:12:09] Like out of reach
[00:12:11] I am definitely desensitized for sure
[00:12:15] Yeah
[00:12:17] There are a couple
[00:12:19] Still
[00:12:21] I'll still do a little somersault for
[00:12:23] But
[00:12:25] I'm definitely desensitized
[00:12:27] But mostly that's from the
[00:12:29] Hesitant Walking Experience
[00:12:31] Yeah
[00:12:33] From
[00:12:35] Maybe 18
[00:12:37] We were at the Grammys
[00:12:39] Stinging behind
[00:12:41] Cece Winans
[00:12:43] Whitney Houston
[00:12:45] And Shirley Caesar
[00:12:47] I was like 18, 19 years old
[00:12:49] When we did that
[00:12:51] We sang behind
[00:12:53] We shared the stage with Mariah Carey
[00:12:55] And just about everybody who's somebody
[00:12:57] We done did something with
[00:12:59] You know what I mean
[00:13:01] And
[00:13:03] Bishop Walker
[00:13:05] Hes at the time was
[00:13:07] Very adamant about
[00:13:09] Not that I don't go out there acting like
[00:13:11] No fool, no groupies
[00:13:13] Yeah you gotta represent
[00:13:15] You can't be going crazy
[00:13:17] He would put you in check immediately
[00:13:21] So
[00:13:23] I've been desensitized all my life
[00:13:25] You know
[00:13:27] I remember before all of this
[00:13:29] I seen Mike Tyson in a convertible
[00:13:31] Yeah
[00:13:33] Off the bus
[00:13:35] Flag the convertible down
[00:13:37] And got an autographed pencil
[00:13:39] That's something else
[00:13:41] I was a groupie at heart
[00:13:43] But once I started this music thing for real
[00:13:45] They got shut down
[00:13:47] Yeah
[00:13:49] Absolutely
[00:13:51] The thing about it
[00:13:53] You mess with your money too
[00:13:55] You mess with your money
[00:13:57] You're gonna try to pull a fast one
[00:13:59] Cause they all got these tricks going on
[00:14:01] And you're like wait a second
[00:14:03] I want to be a part
[00:14:05] I want to be down
[00:14:07] But I don't want to be poor
[00:14:09] So
[00:14:11] So when you look at that
[00:14:13] The interesting part about growing up in New York
[00:14:15] Cause I grew up in Philly
[00:14:17] So Philly always looked up to New York
[00:14:19] And New York has
[00:14:21] Or had in that time period
[00:14:23] Most of the access
[00:14:25] You know if it was New York it was LA
[00:14:27] But most of the access to the stuff that goes on
[00:14:29] And on productions
[00:14:31] And get across the TV screen
[00:14:33] Comes across our
[00:14:35] Stereos and radios
[00:14:37] So with that element growing up there
[00:14:39] Do you feel like you had an advantage
[00:14:41] Cause you was put right in the melting pot
[00:14:43] Of where everything is bubbling
[00:14:45] And creating and creativity
[00:14:47] And artistry
[00:14:49] Like to that effect
[00:14:51] When you're growing up
[00:14:53] Going to the fame school
[00:14:55] How did that feel
[00:14:57] In all of those elements
[00:14:59] I would like to say
[00:15:01] No to even the playing field
[00:15:03] But that'll be a lie
[00:15:05] It's definitely an advantage
[00:15:07] You know
[00:15:09] Like when I was with
[00:15:11] When I was with Hez
[00:15:13] He would get on the train
[00:15:15] So people would see Hezakawa
[00:15:17] Walk on the train
[00:15:19] Like
[00:15:21] And you can run into anybody
[00:15:23] Anywhere
[00:15:25] In any capacity
[00:15:27] And if anyone is coming to town
[00:15:29] Then looking for who's the best
[00:15:31] At this
[00:15:33] You know there was a time when
[00:15:35] I played for everybody
[00:15:37] Especially in gospel
[00:15:39] You know if Kirk
[00:15:41] Was on stage
[00:15:43] And he needed somebody
[00:15:45] Give me the nod and I'm right there
[00:15:47] You know especially
[00:15:49] I done played for everybody
[00:15:51] From
[00:15:53] I can make a try
[00:15:55] It don't even matter to me
[00:15:57] It don't even matter
[00:15:59] If you name them
[00:16:01] More than likely
[00:16:03] I touch the stage with them
[00:16:05] That's just part of the game
[00:16:07] Living in New York
[00:16:09] Everything comes through New York
[00:16:11] But
[00:16:13] Right now
[00:16:15] It's about Philly
[00:16:17] It's about that Philly
[00:16:19] DMV area
[00:16:21] As far as
[00:16:23] Who's working
[00:16:25] The musicians that are working
[00:16:27] That's the area
[00:16:29] Even more so than here
[00:16:33] Now I reside in LA
[00:16:35] So of course
[00:16:37] LA is going to be LA
[00:16:39] But LA is a place of imports
[00:16:41] You know the
[00:16:43] True LA people
[00:16:45] They don't even go to the award shows
[00:16:47] They don't even pop up
[00:16:49] For that stuff
[00:16:51] So that's all out of towners
[00:16:53] Come in to celebrate and do things
[00:16:55] Out of towners are crazy in LA
[00:16:59] Because everyone here just dreamed
[00:17:01] Go to LA
[00:17:03] Drop everything
[00:17:05] People believe that
[00:17:07] You gotta make them know
[00:17:09] What you're capable of doing
[00:17:11] And you gotta show and improve
[00:17:13] So many people showing and improving
[00:17:15] Out there in LA that's all it is
[00:17:17] You get a lot of cat from that
[00:17:19] But
[00:17:21] So let's talk about that
[00:17:23] Transition of
[00:17:25] You just introduced something
[00:17:27] Geographically moving around
[00:17:29] How many places have you laid your head
[00:17:31] As far as
[00:17:33] Living in
[00:17:35] Because you said LA now and you started out in New York
[00:17:37] Was that Brooklyn? I think I read in your
[00:17:39] Biodiversity
[00:17:41] I still have
[00:17:43] New York is my home base
[00:17:45] What happened was
[00:17:47] During COVID
[00:17:49] I was on tour with
[00:17:51] Lauren Hill
[00:17:53] And
[00:17:55] We had a stop in LA
[00:17:57] It never happened
[00:17:59] Because COVID went crazy
[00:18:01] Yeah, shut everything down
[00:18:03] Sitting in my hotel room
[00:18:05] Looking at the television
[00:18:07] And seeing Brooklyn
[00:18:09] Putting people in
[00:18:11] Body bags in a truck
[00:18:13] Because the hospital
[00:18:15] Was over capacity
[00:18:17] And me having asthma
[00:18:21] And a couple dollars in the bank
[00:18:23] I said, guess where I live now
[00:18:25] I stayed in LA for three years
[00:18:27] And
[00:18:31] I come back home
[00:18:33] For Bishop Walker
[00:18:35] I come back home
[00:18:37] For Miss Hill
[00:18:39] I come back home
[00:18:41] For Judah Camp
[00:18:43] And if I gotta do something out of church
[00:18:45] So I'm back and forth
[00:18:51] I've always been pretty much
[00:18:53] The East Coast guy
[00:18:55] It was just the COVID that made me
[00:18:57] But I love it
[00:18:59] I love it
[00:19:01] That's good
[00:19:03] You got me all over the place with just questions
[00:19:05] So
[00:19:07] As far as
[00:19:09] Musicians, so what is your primary
[00:19:11] Instruments that you play now
[00:19:13] Focused, because you said
[00:19:15] You had the range
[00:19:17] But now I'm sure you're probably settling
[00:19:19] Into certain ones
[00:19:21] Keys
[00:19:23] Everything starts with keys
[00:19:25] Keys in Oregon
[00:19:27] With Miss Hill
[00:19:29] I'm basically on Oregon
[00:19:31] I'm from
[00:19:33] Is it one of those fancy organs
[00:19:35] What's the most common one
[00:19:37] That everyone talks about
[00:19:39] The Hammond B3
[00:19:41] Yeah
[00:19:43] Nothing else is suitable
[00:19:47] It's funny because when we go
[00:19:49] To places like the Middle East
[00:19:51] And
[00:19:53] Certain countries
[00:19:55] They're not big on Hammons
[00:19:57] They always call me
[00:19:59] Like, well, you know what's going to be the alternative
[00:20:01] I'm like
[00:20:03] There's no alternative
[00:20:05] Dancing
[00:20:07] You got a ballerina suit for me
[00:20:09] I'm not playing nothing else
[00:20:11] Yeah, no bagpipes
[00:20:15] So that's cool, so keys and
[00:20:17] Oregon
[00:20:19] And so going back
[00:20:21] To early stages
[00:20:23] Because we'll get to the commitment to Christ
[00:20:25] Part I'm just working it up
[00:20:27] And because you have so much
[00:20:29] History it's just easy to bounce around
[00:20:31] For producing
[00:20:33] Because you got into the songwriting
[00:20:35] So how did you get
[00:20:37] Into the producer mold or
[00:20:39] You know, did it come along
[00:20:41] Were you creating demo tapes
[00:20:43] With your production
[00:20:45] With the singing on top
[00:20:47] To present to people and say
[00:20:49] This is a song I wrote
[00:20:51] Would you like to hear it? Was it like that or
[00:20:53] Well, the thing is
[00:20:55] So when I wrote Call of My Name
[00:20:59] A song called On Time
[00:21:03] Was out
[00:21:05] I have my homies that I grew up with
[00:21:07] In one particular
[00:21:09] His name is Greg Evers
[00:21:11] He's a pastor now
[00:21:15] So maybe
[00:21:18] He may have been
[00:21:23] Five years older than me
[00:21:25] But you know
[00:21:27] Certain people walk in
[00:21:29] In a favor
[00:21:31] And he's
[00:21:33] Till this day he's still
[00:21:35] Financially ambitious
[00:21:37] One day he called me and said
[00:21:39] Most expensive hamburger
[00:21:41] I have a
[00:21:43] Host street from Southern Beans
[00:21:45] I should have ordered a hamburger
[00:21:47] I didn't know no better
[00:21:49] But that's what you're familiar with
[00:21:51] That's what I'm familiar with
[00:21:53] And he said listen
[00:21:55] I'm a studio
[00:21:57] And
[00:21:59] He said let's just see what happens
[00:22:01] And back then
[00:22:03] It wasn't like pro tools
[00:22:05] It was like
[00:22:07] Rail to rail
[00:22:09] Yeah
[00:22:11] We were doing D88
[00:22:13] Because
[00:22:15] That's when
[00:22:17] They would charge you
[00:22:19] One fee for rail to rail
[00:22:21] And one fee for D88
[00:22:23] So we do D88
[00:22:25] When we commit to it
[00:22:27] We charge onto the 2 inch
[00:22:29] Got you
[00:22:31] And
[00:22:33] I just had a bunch of homies
[00:22:35] That really did it
[00:22:37] I was hiring people
[00:22:39] To program the MPC
[00:22:41] And slowly but surely
[00:22:43] I learned how
[00:22:45] To do it
[00:22:47] Even my demos
[00:22:49] I can't even listen to those things
[00:22:51] Because my production journey
[00:22:53] Was a longer journey
[00:22:55] But it was
[00:22:57] It was necessary
[00:22:59] You know that because of
[00:23:01] The mechanics of going through
[00:23:03] And having results that you
[00:23:05] Wasn't satisfied with
[00:23:07] When you get more
[00:23:09] Experience
[00:23:11] You're able to get to it quicker
[00:23:13] So you can jump over those hurdles
[00:23:15] Yeah, that's good
[00:23:17] So you was pulling out the MP
[00:23:19] This is more interesting to me now
[00:23:21] Because of the gift for musicianship
[00:23:23] It's nine times out of ten
[00:23:25] I see more people staying
[00:23:27] In the lane of the keyboards
[00:23:29] And the electronics
[00:23:31] Not going into drum programming
[00:23:33] As much
[00:23:35] Because they would just get a real session drummer
[00:23:37] But when you're programming stuff
[00:23:39] You know, and I bet you
[00:23:41] It's probably because you're from New York
[00:23:43] You understood what hip hop was doing
[00:23:45] And the importance of the
[00:23:47] So you got into it
[00:23:49] If you listen to Revival
[00:23:51] If you listen to these songs
[00:23:53] That I got
[00:23:55] Ain't nothing about no
[00:23:57] Session drummer
[00:23:59] And even now
[00:24:01] I kind of
[00:24:03] And maybe I shouldn't say this
[00:24:05] But I kind of have a disdain
[00:24:07] Towards the way
[00:24:09] These cats are playing drums on records
[00:24:11] Especially in the gospel world
[00:24:13] Because it has
[00:24:15] So much personality
[00:24:17] That it takes away from the
[00:24:19] Composition to me
[00:24:21] So you don't want it distracting from the song
[00:24:23] No, I like R. Kelly
[00:24:25] I like
[00:24:27] And don't chop that up
[00:24:29] And just put that part
[00:24:31] You gotta put it out there
[00:24:33] You said take this full clip
[00:24:35] I like R. Kelly
[00:24:37] I like babyface
[00:24:39] I like R. Kelly
[00:24:41] I like the simple
[00:24:43] Simple drums
[00:24:45] I love Kirk Franklin production
[00:24:47] I love Anthony Brown's production
[00:24:49] I like
[00:24:51] I like Greg Philling games
[00:24:53] I like simplicity
[00:24:55] That
[00:24:57] Companies the music
[00:24:59] Companies the song
[00:25:01] So sometimes
[00:25:03] You get an
[00:25:05] Experienced drummer and they just do the most
[00:25:07] Yeah, because they have all the gifts
[00:25:09] And they're not necessarily toning down
[00:25:11] But I like to throw
[00:25:13] In this revival remix
[00:25:15] There's a lot of drummer
[00:25:17] He's just playing
[00:25:19] Not even pocket
[00:25:21] Simple
[00:25:23] Just little takes
[00:25:25] Bring me in at the end of 8
[00:25:27] Because it got a little afro beats
[00:25:29] To it, so you give me a little calm
[00:25:31] It sounds good
[00:25:33] Original in the remix
[00:25:35] Thank you
[00:25:37] So with that
[00:25:41] Did you even dream about these things
[00:25:43] Or did you just grow into them
[00:25:45] Like
[00:25:47] Because some people will imagine when they're young
[00:25:49] I want to be this when I grow up
[00:25:51] Like for me, I didn't necessarily
[00:25:53] When I first started listening to music
[00:25:55] Well, it's easy for me
[00:25:57] Because hip hop wasn't form-form
[00:25:59] But I didn't think about being a rapper
[00:26:01] Or a producer or anything
[00:26:03] I was just listening to music
[00:26:05] Did you have any
[00:26:07] Idea that you'll be
[00:26:09] Involved in music
[00:26:11] Always
[00:26:13] From the age of 2 I was playing
[00:26:15] But I wanted to be a musician
[00:26:17] When I got my first
[00:26:19] Royalty check
[00:26:21] I stopped wanting to be a musician
[00:26:23] Because I realized that this
[00:26:25] It's a business now
[00:26:27] It's night and day, brother
[00:26:29] There's one thing playing in the church
[00:26:31] And having fun
[00:26:33] But it's another thing trying to get percentage
[00:26:35] It is night and day
[00:26:37] People
[00:26:39] I have a gift
[00:26:41] I'm grateful for it
[00:26:43] And I'm not going to have it negated
[00:26:45] I'm grateful for that gift
[00:26:47] The thing about me
[00:26:49] Is I play for the heart
[00:26:51] I play to the heart
[00:26:53] So I don't really
[00:26:55] I don't really engage in musical acrobatics
[00:26:57] Like that
[00:26:59] But
[00:27:01] For me
[00:27:03] It's just
[00:27:05] Accompanying what I feel
[00:27:07] Even as
[00:27:09] Unapologetically
[00:27:12] I'm just a creative
[00:27:14] I remember I got hired by Mariah Carey
[00:27:16] To
[00:27:18] Simply
[00:27:20] Recreate
[00:27:22] Her backgrounds
[00:27:24] And put a choir together
[00:27:26] And she wasn't there
[00:27:28] Nobody was there
[00:27:30] And I took it upon myself to
[00:27:32] Just rearrange the song
[00:27:34] Because I'm all
[00:27:36] Automatically a creative
[00:27:38] So if you hire me to play
[00:27:40] Like the top 40
[00:27:42] And play this part
[00:27:44] Like I would tell you
[00:27:46] I would tell you
[00:27:48] You should just hire somebody that does that
[00:27:50] Because you're wasting
[00:27:52] It's like purchasing a Rolls Royce
[00:27:54] To listen to the radio
[00:27:56] He said these two are not the same
[00:28:00] What's the point?
[00:28:02] This is a bi radio
[00:28:04] Why did you buy a Rolls Royce
[00:28:06] To listen to the radio?
[00:28:08] This is bi radio
[00:28:10] You know what I mean?
[00:28:12] That's the thing with me
[00:28:14] I love sitting in a creative seat
[00:28:16] And
[00:28:18] I believe I have something different
[00:28:20] To offer
[00:28:22] Something unique
[00:28:24] Something that's not being done
[00:28:26] We're lost
[00:28:28] In a culture of
[00:28:30] Let's all do this
[00:28:32] Yeah
[00:28:34] They used to be a Philly sound
[00:28:36] They used to be a DC sound
[00:28:38] They used to be a New York sound
[00:28:40] Not everybody's sound the same
[00:28:42] Well we can thank our internet
[00:28:44] For most of it because
[00:28:46] The timetable it takes
[00:28:48] For sound to travel
[00:28:50] Now is reduced
[00:28:52] Like you used to have to wait for a group
[00:28:54] To come to your city
[00:28:56] To hear their sound
[00:28:58] Live
[00:29:00] In a CD experience
[00:29:02] Now
[00:29:04] This translates so fast
[00:29:06] So
[00:29:08] And they're giving you everything
[00:29:10] They're giving you the process on holiday
[00:29:12] So everybody just sounds the same
[00:29:14] You know what I mean?
[00:29:16] Everybody just doing the same thing
[00:29:18] You know
[00:29:20] Comes with the territory
[00:29:22] But then there are those
[00:29:24] Who push against the grain
[00:29:26] To say
[00:29:28] Regardless of what everyone else is doing
[00:29:30] I gotta stick to
[00:29:32] What I'm gifted to do
[00:29:34] You know what I mean?
[00:29:36] Whether it has the biggest audience
[00:29:38] Or not doesn't matter
[00:29:40] Because you're true to
[00:29:42] Who you were created to be
[00:29:44] And true to using your gifts in that fashion
[00:29:46] So I think that's the plus and the benefit
[00:29:48] That you have individuals
[00:29:50] Who regardless of
[00:29:52] Whatever's being offered is gonna be themselves
[00:29:54] And those are the ones that stand out
[00:29:56] To those who look for authenticity
[00:29:58] Or originality
[00:30:00] Versus just the carbon
[00:30:02] Copy of what everyone does
[00:30:04] Is Xerox
[00:30:06] Everyone's not Xerox
[00:30:08] Some people are doing exactly
[00:30:10] What they were put here to do
[00:30:12] Absolutely
[00:30:14] That's the benefits
[00:30:16] So thinking back also
[00:30:18] Did you
[00:30:20] Have any person
[00:30:22] Who you were able to do in production
[00:30:24] But you can also add them to
[00:30:26] Songwriting
[00:30:28] Who were you looking at
[00:30:30] For songwriting
[00:30:32] And admiring from afar
[00:30:34] The creation of their songwriting
[00:30:36] Or writing ability
[00:30:38] So
[00:30:40] Let's take revival
[00:30:42] Right?
[00:30:44] Revival
[00:30:49] Revival has some
[00:30:51] Let me see who I'm gonna give
[00:30:53] First
[00:30:55] I got some
[00:30:57] I got some love fellowship
[00:30:59] Some heads bopping in
[00:31:01] As far as attitude
[00:31:03] Then it has
[00:31:05] Some Donna Lawrence as far as the choir
[00:31:07] Accentuating
[00:31:09] The dynamics
[00:31:11] But then
[00:31:13] The beat
[00:31:15] Goes everywhere
[00:31:17] It gives you a little James Brown
[00:31:19] Gives you a little Afro beat
[00:31:23] It gives you a little
[00:31:25] Travis Scott vibe
[00:31:27] What Molly started doing
[00:31:29] His thing
[00:31:31] Gets into the little house situation
[00:31:33] You know what I mean?
[00:31:35] I'm gonna stop explaining it
[00:31:37] Cause it sounds like it's too much
[00:31:39] But when you listen to it
[00:31:41] It feels different
[00:31:43] Yeah, yeah
[00:31:45] And that's
[00:31:47] Definitely a representation
[00:31:49] Of who I am
[00:31:51] So my list
[00:31:53] If I gave you my list
[00:31:55] There's definitely Merv Warren
[00:31:57] Okay
[00:31:59] There's definitely Tony Tony Tony
[00:32:01] Love
[00:32:03] And it's not everything Tony Tony Tony
[00:32:05] It's particular
[00:32:07] You know what I mean?
[00:32:09] Chuck E. Booker
[00:32:11] Particular
[00:32:13] And then there's some people
[00:32:15] That disappeared on me
[00:32:17] Brian Alexander
[00:32:19] Morgan
[00:32:21] And
[00:32:23] Brian Alexander Morgan
[00:32:25] Just used to do it for me every time
[00:32:27] I don't know
[00:32:29] What they do
[00:32:31] They maybe do movies or something
[00:32:33] But
[00:32:35] Not Brian
[00:32:37] But yeah
[00:32:39] But Kenneth Crouch
[00:32:41] Yeah
[00:32:43] And the other one
[00:32:45] Is Kenneth Crouch
[00:32:47] And
[00:32:49] He has a brother
[00:32:51] Um
[00:32:53] Anyway, but
[00:32:55] The brothers
[00:32:57] Yeah
[00:32:59] The Crouch brothers
[00:33:01] They did
[00:33:03] Brandy
[00:33:05] You know
[00:33:07] And from the church side
[00:33:09] Edward Hawkins
[00:33:11] His pen is second
[00:33:13] And V. Michael McKay
[00:33:15] Out of Brooklyn
[00:33:17] Is a guy named Melvin Crispell
[00:33:19] Um
[00:33:21] So those are some of the
[00:33:24] The major influence
[00:33:26] And then how to manage
[00:33:28] Yeah
[00:33:30] And maneuver through music
[00:33:32] Has a kind of walker
[00:33:34] You know what I mean?
[00:33:36] Survived the test of time man
[00:33:38] He transcended
[00:33:40] A lot of generations so yeah
[00:33:42] I agree with you
[00:33:44] He taught me how to
[00:33:46] Exude your existence
[00:33:48] In your
[00:33:50] Surrounding
[00:33:52] So everything is
[00:33:54] So simple with him
[00:33:56] Won't he man
[00:33:58] And it
[00:34:00] It's so simple that
[00:34:02] When you take it outside of us
[00:34:04] Musicians try to be like
[00:34:06] Man
[00:34:08] Yes
[00:34:10] Yes
[00:34:12] And they take it somewhere
[00:34:14] Like foot, the foot do too much
[00:34:16] It says no longer has
[00:34:18] It's no longer has no more
[00:34:20] It's this
[00:34:22] It's this masterpiece of music
[00:34:24] Yeah
[00:34:26] But don't play that around him
[00:34:28] He's gonna smile like
[00:34:30] But that's not his language
[00:34:32] He's gonna call me on the phone like man
[00:34:34] You have to hear these guys
[00:34:36] Wrong
[00:34:38] That's his thing
[00:34:40] He's like
[00:34:44] When I do the band
[00:34:46] When I do his band
[00:34:48] I have a concept called
[00:34:50] Meow Cats
[00:34:52] And basically
[00:34:55] When they try to bring innovation
[00:34:57] That's too far
[00:34:59] Just imagine that you're playing for
[00:35:01] A Broadway musical
[00:35:03] The song is the song
[00:35:05] It is what it is
[00:35:07] It's gonna change
[00:35:09] When you change it up
[00:35:11] I just go meow
[00:35:13] You said going too far
[00:35:15] Let's play the score
[00:35:17] That's it
[00:35:19] And we're on a tour now
[00:35:21] With
[00:35:23] Bishop Marvinsack
[00:35:27] I have to remember if he's a bishop or not
[00:35:29] Bishop Marvinsack and Pastor McCorklin
[00:35:31] And the band
[00:35:33] Is not his band
[00:35:35] So it's
[00:35:37] A transition
[00:35:39] When I walked in
[00:35:41] It was like
[00:35:43] That's it but it's not it
[00:35:45] And
[00:35:47] You see when Lacey
[00:35:49] And Phil see me
[00:35:51] They're gonna say
[00:35:53] Man you taught us a lot about that hump
[00:35:55] Because while they're playing
[00:35:57] I just started going
[00:35:59] Chug chug chug
[00:36:01] Chug chug
[00:36:03] There is a sub-beat
[00:36:05] That we're playing under our
[00:36:07] Feel that you gotta meet
[00:36:09] You know what I mean?
[00:36:11] So it is the one and it is the two
[00:36:13] But there is a feel
[00:36:15] There's a backbeat to that
[00:36:17] Attached to it
[00:36:19] You know what I'm saying?
[00:36:21] It's so unique
[00:36:23] I say the two people that are very
[00:36:25] That everybody can't just plug up
[00:36:27] And play for all
[00:36:29] Hezekiah Walker and Todd Trivet
[00:36:31] Wow
[00:36:33] Play for Todd Trivet
[00:36:35] You said you gotta be a part of
[00:36:37] The original
[00:36:39] Yeah because
[00:36:41] It's such a vibe
[00:36:43] It's like they was
[00:36:45] You know it's like Ty and Spanky
[00:36:47] Were going together
[00:36:49] That's good
[00:36:51] You know what I mean?
[00:36:53] To hear anybody else
[00:36:55] It can get done but it's not
[00:36:57] Necessarily maybe the best
[00:36:59] Representation
[00:37:01] That's the best height it could go to
[00:37:03] Because it's changing
[00:37:05] Yeah
[00:37:07] Now you have musicians that would
[00:37:09] Yeah they can cook
[00:37:11] A lot of people can cook out there
[00:37:13] That's why I find music so
[00:37:15] Vast when you really think about it
[00:37:17] Cause
[00:37:19] What really makes a song stick to you
[00:37:21] You know is it the lyrics
[00:37:23] Is it the music
[00:37:25] Is it both together
[00:37:27] Is it just something that's in you
[00:37:29] Is it just with it
[00:37:31] That it was meant to happen
[00:37:33] Like there's so many things going on
[00:37:35] At the same time
[00:37:37] Is that rhetorical or you want to answer
[00:37:39] I would love to have you step into it
[00:37:41] Because you know a little bit more than me
[00:37:43] So I'll take it from the experience
[00:37:45] I do have a theory
[00:37:47] I believe that
[00:37:49] Well I've been taught that we are
[00:37:51] Triune beings
[00:37:53] So we're spirit
[00:37:55] We're soul and we're body
[00:37:57] Your body
[00:37:59] Is world conscious
[00:38:01] Your spirit
[00:38:03] Is God conscious
[00:38:05] And your soul is self-conscious
[00:38:09] So it's about
[00:38:11] What you are
[00:38:13] Applying yourself
[00:38:15] How you're showing up
[00:38:17] And how is it resonating
[00:38:19] To the person that's receiving
[00:38:24] Right now CC Y and N's
[00:38:26] Get up in front of anybody
[00:38:28] Oh my life, you happen
[00:38:30] Friends
[00:38:32] It don't feel
[00:38:34] Like nobody can feel like that
[00:38:36] Because her spirit
[00:38:38] Is just aligned
[00:38:40] With the mastery
[00:38:42] Of that soul
[00:38:44] And it just comes together
[00:38:46] And it's
[00:38:48] I mean and I've seen her sing
[00:38:50] That simple song
[00:38:52] After people
[00:38:54] Rolled on
[00:38:56] Just
[00:38:58] I mean everything
[00:39:00] The roof went off and came back down
[00:39:02] It went off, came back
[00:39:04] And ran outside and came from the back of the church
[00:39:06] And she gets up and sing that song
[00:39:08] Flat footed
[00:39:10] No riff, no run, no nothing
[00:39:12] You know because it's
[00:39:14] It's an authentic
[00:39:16] Presentation of the spirit
[00:39:18] Meaning the right amount
[00:39:20] Of the body
[00:39:22] And the right amount of emotion
[00:39:24] That translates as
[00:39:26] Real
[00:39:28] Same thing with Miss Lauren Hill
[00:39:30] Whoever she is
[00:39:32] Whatever combination of that is
[00:39:34] Yeah
[00:39:36] When she opens her mouth
[00:39:38] And say
[00:39:40] It can all be so simple
[00:39:42] I've seen people sing that song
[00:39:44] Way better than her
[00:39:46] In their mind
[00:39:48] But the translation of that
[00:39:50] The authenticity of that
[00:39:52] Can't be much
[00:39:54] That's something else
[00:39:56] Something else to really look at
[00:39:58] Because I think growing up
[00:40:00] In church we understand
[00:40:02] The word, the anointing
[00:40:04] And when we look at it
[00:40:06] When it applies to gifts
[00:40:08] It transcends
[00:40:10] A lot of our
[00:40:12] Understanding
[00:40:14] And I know you understand it because
[00:40:16] You've seen it happen
[00:40:18] Like there's a song that could just be so simple
[00:40:20] And basic
[00:40:22] But once the anointing is applied to it
[00:40:24] It then connects with people
[00:40:26] It's transformational
[00:40:28] It's deliverance, it's healing
[00:40:30] Like all of those supernatural things
[00:40:32] Start showing up
[00:40:34] How does that feel as a musician
[00:40:36] When you are playing a song
[00:40:38] And then you
[00:40:40] Saying you're going through the mechanics
[00:40:42] But you see the anointing shows up
[00:40:44] And it transcends
[00:40:46] Again what was
[00:40:48] The natural basics
[00:40:50] Into supernatural experience
[00:40:59] In all humility
[00:41:04] That's predominantly
[00:41:06] My functionality
[00:41:10] I'm not always
[00:41:12] In position to be able to
[00:41:14] Operate like that
[00:41:16] Because the Holy Ghost tells what he wants to do behind the scenes
[00:41:18] And he
[00:41:20] You know because
[00:41:22] Church and
[00:41:24] Service right now is kind of
[00:41:26] Everybody just kind of wants the same thing
[00:41:28] And it got a clock going on
[00:41:30] You know they're looking at the watch
[00:41:32] It's like
[00:41:34] Well not only about the clock and the watch
[00:41:36] But
[00:41:38] Because even if you're in a five hour service
[00:41:40] Yeah you can't hit it sometimes
[00:41:42] I believe that
[00:41:44] The enemy has
[00:41:46] Allowed us to minimize
[00:41:48] What we think
[00:41:50] God wants
[00:41:52] When it's time to dance
[00:41:54] It's always this
[00:41:56] In a certain type of church
[00:41:58] And it's like
[00:42:00] It's the same song
[00:42:02] And it's not necessarily
[00:42:06] It's not necessarily indicative
[00:42:08] Of
[00:42:12] A conversation
[00:42:14] Which is what I have
[00:42:16] So you know
[00:42:18] I remember there was a season when
[00:42:20] Prophets wanted to buy them
[00:42:23] I wouldn't say the number
[00:42:25] But she paid me more than any
[00:42:27] Gig that I had at that time
[00:42:31] I mean I as a young
[00:42:33] Man in my early 20s
[00:42:35] Four figures every week
[00:42:39] To go play with her three times
[00:42:41] I mean four big figures
[00:42:43] I was living like a drug dealer
[00:42:45] You know what I'm saying
[00:42:47] I was living like a hustler
[00:42:49] They were coming to me in the barbershop
[00:42:51] Like yo man how can I be done
[00:42:53] How can I work for you
[00:42:55] What I had parked outside
[00:42:57] And what I had on my back
[00:42:59] Looks like drug dealer money
[00:43:01] And now I was doing nothing but playing strings
[00:43:03] For what I need to buy them
[00:43:05] To prophesy on top of
[00:43:07] The angels
[00:43:09] And I was able to communicate
[00:43:11] With heaven
[00:43:13] And provide the soundtrack
[00:43:15] As a menschal and a prophet
[00:43:17] That is very important
[00:43:19] That it sounds a certain kind of way
[00:43:21] You know
[00:43:23] And it was the thing to do
[00:43:25] So for me
[00:43:27] It is my place
[00:43:29] It is my place
[00:43:31] It's um
[00:43:33] Jonathan Nelson
[00:43:35] Re-recorded one of my songs
[00:43:37] Entitled
[00:43:39] It's not enough
[00:43:41] This song
[00:43:45] Paralizes
[00:43:47] Churches every time it's sung
[00:43:49] It's my zone
[00:43:51] Very
[00:43:53] Rare do I go into this zone
[00:43:55] But it's a frequency that
[00:43:57] That um
[00:43:59] I've been
[00:44:01] Used to me yet
[00:44:03] It's my favorite place
[00:44:05] My absolute favorite place
[00:44:09] And that's important to point out
[00:44:11] To when we look at
[00:44:13] The state of where
[00:44:15] Music is now and how
[00:44:17] Over-processed
[00:44:19] It is or
[00:44:21] Made meaningless to a certain
[00:44:23] extent
[00:44:25] When you look at the accessibility
[00:44:27] And the duplication of it
[00:44:29] It kind of tried to
[00:44:31] Diminish
[00:44:33] How powerful it was
[00:44:35] When we were growing up
[00:44:37] Because you didn't have a whole bunch of people doing it
[00:44:39] You only had a handful that could
[00:44:41] Record and get on the record
[00:44:43] You had a handful of people that can get
[00:44:45] To a cassette or a 45
[00:44:47] Or a 33
[00:44:49] Now with everyone got their own studios
[00:44:51] Like everybody's out
[00:44:53] That's why now I said I can't
[00:44:55] Act like I know everyone
[00:44:57] Who released some music
[00:44:59] It's impossible
[00:45:01] It's impossible
[00:45:03] So now when you look at it from that standpoint
[00:45:05] We can understand
[00:45:07] Why
[00:45:09] Maybe music isn't
[00:45:11] Valued like it used to be
[00:45:13] Because to so many
[00:45:15] It's just a background noise
[00:45:17] But we grew up in the elements of
[00:45:19] It's importance and what it can do
[00:45:21] And how
[00:45:23] Even to this day, some of the best songs
[00:45:25] That come to my mind is from the 80s
[00:45:27] The 80s chords
[00:45:29] The 80s bass line
[00:45:31] The 80s drums sound real cheesy
[00:45:33] But for us who grew up around that time
[00:45:35] So important
[00:45:37] And what can we do
[00:45:39] Moving forward to reintroduce
[00:45:41] The importance of music
[00:45:43] And done in such a fashion
[00:45:45] You know what I mean
[00:45:47] That it gets those connections going again
[00:45:49] It's a lot
[00:45:51] I don't
[00:45:53] My strong
[00:45:55] My strong sweet is not
[00:45:57] Cultural innovation
[00:45:59] I wish I had that
[00:46:03] Tell you
[00:46:05] Kanye has that
[00:46:07] I understand
[00:46:09] Because the people can get in the room
[00:46:11] With a whole bunch of creatives
[00:46:13] And create something that just
[00:46:15] Everyone loves and you're like
[00:46:17] What is going on?
[00:46:19] See the thing is
[00:46:21] I thought it was going to be crypto
[00:46:23] I thought it was going to be NFT
[00:46:25] It came and gone
[00:46:27] Because
[00:46:29] What needs to happen is
[00:46:31] We need to separate
[00:46:33] The week from the tier
[00:46:35] You know what I'm saying
[00:46:37] We need to put aside
[00:46:39] The Kendrick
[00:46:41] And the J. Cole
[00:46:45] They don't really need to be
[00:46:47] With the other Goofies
[00:46:49] You know what I'm saying
[00:46:51] Because that's a different type
[00:46:53] Of component right there
[00:46:55] You know
[00:46:57] When we were coming up
[00:46:59] It was a difference between
[00:47:01] You know
[00:47:03] Tony Tony Tony as a band
[00:47:05] And
[00:47:07] Main condition as a band
[00:47:09] Versus
[00:47:11] A bunch of Goofies
[00:47:13] Trying to play music
[00:47:15] You see what's going on
[00:47:17] And this is where we're going to invest
[00:47:19] But now it's just like
[00:47:21] You know
[00:47:23] Number one and number two
[00:47:25] Don't even map
[00:47:27] You know what I'm saying
[00:47:29] And it's all about how much money
[00:47:31] To push them and make them
[00:47:33] Like so
[00:47:35] Like you believe
[00:47:37] They're the best because
[00:47:39] You don't even have to do music
[00:47:41] No more it's like
[00:47:43] I got so tired
[00:47:45] I would mention these things
[00:47:47] I got so tired of looking at
[00:47:49] Blueface
[00:47:51] And Bluetooth drama
[00:47:53] On social media
[00:47:55] I don't want to praise
[00:47:57] The fact that he got arrested
[00:47:59] I'm talking to him with the grace
[00:48:01] He was saying
[00:48:03] Because it's like
[00:48:05] Y'all don't even have those songs
[00:48:07] That we play
[00:48:09] And y'all are just all over social media
[00:48:11] Tattoos and babies
[00:48:13] And guns and cars
[00:48:15] And drama
[00:48:17] And it's like
[00:48:19] Remember when MTV used to have M
[00:48:21] Yeah, they used to have music
[00:48:23] You know what I mean
[00:48:25] It's like there's no M in MTV
[00:48:27] Yeah, times have definitely
[00:48:29] Definitely changed
[00:48:31] But that's where the importance
[00:48:33] Is I would say for
[00:48:35] Those God calls
[00:48:37] To the forefront
[00:48:39] And placing different positions
[00:48:41] To do music
[00:48:43] And to minister
[00:48:45] And to pour into other people
[00:48:47] That as long as we are completing
[00:48:49] The task and assignment
[00:48:51] Given to us by God is going to cause
[00:48:53] The change to happen now
[00:48:55] We'll see it in this time period
[00:48:57] Or those in the following generations
[00:48:59] It can happen
[00:49:01] As long as people are tapping into God
[00:49:03] So for that question
[00:49:05] Where I just ended on
[00:49:07] When was that period for you
[00:49:09] That you was like
[00:49:11] I understand the call
[00:49:13] Father, I'm ready to answer it
[00:49:15] I'm ready to put everything
[00:49:17] In that Jesus has
[00:49:19] Committed to me by giving his life for me
[00:49:21] So I, because you were saying
[00:49:23] That 16 was the writing
[00:49:25] Of calling my names
[00:49:27] What was the transition period
[00:49:29] At that time? Was that
[00:49:31] The line in the sand you drawn to say
[00:49:33] From this point forward, Father
[00:49:35] I'm chasing after you
[00:49:39] So
[00:49:41] I think
[00:49:43] As
[00:49:49] What we have to understand as
[00:49:51] Culture creators
[00:49:53] Is that
[00:49:55] We have to give people back
[00:49:57] Their individuality
[00:50:01] And
[00:50:03] The reason why I say that is because
[00:50:05] It doesn't
[00:50:07] It doesn't work like that for me
[00:50:09] You know what I'm saying
[00:50:11] Like calling my name
[00:50:15] I remember going to pick up a girl
[00:50:19] From her church
[00:50:21] So we could be nasty
[00:50:23] And her choir
[00:50:26] Was in rehearsal
[00:50:28] And I sat in the back of a church
[00:50:30] This was after I wrote calling my name
[00:50:32] And her pastor got up in front
[00:50:34] Of the church and said
[00:50:36] The song called my name
[00:50:38] I know the person that
[00:50:40] Wrote that song had to be going
[00:50:42] Through something and that song
[00:50:44] Just minutes since to me and it changed
[00:50:46] My life and the girls
[00:50:48] Turn around and looked at me like
[00:50:52] Because we was definitely on
[00:50:54] Mother type of time
[00:50:56] And the thing is
[00:50:58] This has been
[00:51:00] I've always been
[00:51:02] In church
[00:51:04] So to say that there was a line
[00:51:06] Drawing in the sand
[00:51:08] It was
[00:51:10] That line I was drawing
[00:51:12] That line with my fist
[00:51:14] You know what I mean
[00:51:16] So we can't necessarily
[00:51:18] Say that it was one pivotal moment
[00:51:20] This has been a war
[00:51:22] Correct
[00:51:24] This has been a war
[00:51:26] And every time
[00:51:28] I commenced to walking
[00:51:30] I've gotten closer and closer
[00:51:32] And I've got pushed back
[00:51:34] And I've gotten closer and closer
[00:51:36] And I've got pushed back
[00:51:38] That's how it has gone for me
[00:51:40] So I can't really tell
[00:51:42] You know I know that I'm closer
[00:51:44] To the day than I was yesterday
[00:51:46] Every day of you pushing towards
[00:51:48] The closer to God
[00:51:50] That's huge
[00:51:52] Because it allows another
[00:51:54] Opportunity, another experience
[00:51:56] For him to pour
[00:51:58] Into you. And that's one thing I value
[00:52:00] Just
[00:52:02] Learning as you get older and the Lord
[00:52:04] You gotta have a conversation
[00:52:06] With him every day
[00:52:08] Cause like you said
[00:52:10] The outside elements want to pull us this way
[00:52:12] The media wants to
[00:52:14] Put this in your head this way
[00:52:16] You know what I mean
[00:52:18] Over stimulation of information
[00:52:20] Now more than we've ever had
[00:52:22] The cell phone that is
[00:52:24] At times accessible
[00:52:26] To all of the functions we need
[00:52:28] To operate in life
[00:52:30] But then it also opens portals to other stuff
[00:52:32] That we don't need to be around
[00:52:34] So it's just a balancing
[00:52:36] Of all of those things
[00:52:38] So I love the humility that God
[00:52:40] Is allowing you to share
[00:52:42] That you're not going to say
[00:52:44] You got it all wrapped up
[00:52:46] Every day to get into His presence
[00:52:48] So that can be a testament for all of us
[00:52:50] For all of us
[00:52:52] So what are you doing
[00:52:54] Presently man, cause we've uncovered
[00:52:56] The history of the background
[00:52:58] The music, the creation, songwriting
[00:53:00] Production we know
[00:53:02] Is leading you to today
[00:53:04] Yeah so I'm
[00:53:06] Working on
[00:53:08] I'm working on the soul
[00:53:10] Of Jules Jr
[00:53:12] And the soul
[00:53:14] Is the express
[00:53:16] The one that speaks
[00:53:18] The one that
[00:53:20] That expresses
[00:53:22] The one that reaches out
[00:53:24] And that has a lot to do with content
[00:53:26] It has a lot to do with
[00:53:28] You know just putting myself
[00:53:30] Out there
[00:53:32] And you know dealing with
[00:53:34] You know
[00:53:36] The emotions of the work that I'm putting out
[00:53:38] You know what I mean
[00:53:40] You know I'm starting
[00:53:42] A couple series that I'm going to be
[00:53:44] You know purpose in on social media
[00:53:46] Okay
[00:53:48] To support
[00:53:50] This great music
[00:53:52] And in order to do that
[00:53:54] You know you have to
[00:53:56] Do other things outside of the music
[00:53:58] I come from the place where
[00:54:00] Once the music was good
[00:54:02] You was winning
[00:54:04] And that's not
[00:54:06] You gotta do
[00:54:08] It took me a while to come
[00:54:10] To grip on that
[00:54:12] Of course you grew up in the days
[00:54:14] When the record label was doing
[00:54:16] The record label functions
[00:54:18] You had a whole team to help push
[00:54:20] And y'all just tour
[00:54:22] And do God's work
[00:54:24] And now it's like
[00:54:26] They gotta be a story
[00:54:28] It's everything
[00:54:30] Is a reality show
[00:54:32] It turned into
[00:54:34] It's a good thing when you look at it
[00:54:36] From the perspective of people being able
[00:54:38] To see what does it mean to serve God
[00:54:40] And how the battle is like
[00:54:42] I'm not different than anyone else
[00:54:44] I could struggle if I allow myself
[00:54:46] To struggle but
[00:54:48] Thank God that he helps me
[00:54:50] Thank God that he helps renew my mind
[00:54:52] When I open up the word
[00:54:54] He directs us, you know what I mean
[00:54:56] The benefits of it
[00:54:58] I think that's added more
[00:55:00] Opportunity and impact
[00:55:02] To people
[00:55:04] So now like you said
[00:55:06] There's a negative connotations of
[00:55:08] What goes on in life
[00:55:10] You have something else that can be
[00:55:12] A positive reflection
[00:55:14] That's good stuff man
[00:55:16] So the latest release you remix was
[00:55:18] Revival
[00:55:20] You had some great sounds in there
[00:55:22] Talk about how was the creation
[00:55:24] Of the remix of that part
[00:55:27] What made me do it
[00:55:30] You know
[00:55:32] What made me do it was
[00:55:34] The fact that
[00:55:36] The industry was being the industry
[00:55:38] So when it first came out
[00:55:40] It was so unique that
[00:55:42] People didn't catch on
[00:55:44] And when they started to catch on
[00:55:46] And we was number five on billboard
[00:55:48] The people that caught on
[00:55:50] When we first started
[00:55:52] Were like we've been playing this song too long
[00:55:54] So for me it's like
[00:55:56] This message is not finished
[00:55:58] So
[00:56:00] I had to just reinvent it
[00:56:02] In a certain kind of way
[00:56:04] But
[00:56:06] I remixed in my mind
[00:56:08] Like if you ever see me live
[00:56:10] Everything is going to be different anyway
[00:56:12] Just because we make it
[00:56:14] Liveable
[00:56:16] Sometimes it's for
[00:56:18] A record
[00:56:20] But then
[00:56:22] Performing
[00:56:24] It's a different story
[00:56:28] And I just really wanted to work with
[00:56:30] Miley Music
[00:56:32] So I called him on this one
[00:56:34] And Tasha
[00:56:36] I don't know if I'm going to ever work with
[00:56:38] Any other singer besides Tasha
[00:56:40] Padenloff or I promise you that she's just
[00:56:42] Y'all know each other so from the mind
[00:56:44] I mean she's amazing
[00:56:46] She's amazing
[00:56:48] I'm joking but
[00:56:50] She's one of my favorite
[00:56:52] And of course
[00:56:54] It's just a tip
[00:56:56] But we've been
[00:56:58] She's just been smashing it
[00:57:00] For me
[00:57:02] So
[00:57:04] I'm grateful for it
[00:57:06] For this remix
[00:57:08] It's not
[00:57:10] It covers like you said
[00:57:12] A span of different
[00:57:14] Styles
[00:57:16] It's like
[00:57:18] Your New York bias is showing up in your
[00:57:20] Tracks and your production because
[00:57:22] You got all those elements that grew up around
[00:57:24] So you was able to
[00:57:26] Pull things in and switch it up
[00:57:28] What are you looking forward to
[00:57:30] In the future
[00:57:32] Outside of the marketing plan
[00:57:34] And the strategy of the storylines
[00:57:36] Are you working on a full album
[00:57:40] Yeah the full album is pretty much done
[00:57:42] I have songs with
[00:57:44] You know
[00:57:46] I'm like a combination
[00:57:48] Between
[00:57:50] DJ Khaled, Kirk Franklin and
[00:57:52] John Batease
[00:57:54] I'm playing
[00:57:56] I have songs with
[00:57:58] Donnie McClurklin and a nation figure
[00:58:00] I got
[00:58:02] Israel probably on this next single
[00:58:08] The full album
[00:58:10] Is going to be crazy but
[00:58:12] I'm building it
[00:58:14] Yeah I got a build
[00:58:16] When I did the song
[00:58:18] With Israel
[00:58:20] I just didn't have enough
[00:58:22] I didn't have enough
[00:58:24] Real estate
[00:58:26] In the marketplace
[00:58:28] To put out a song
[00:58:30] With Israel Heart
[00:58:32] And I'm not trying to
[00:58:34] Put that out and it just
[00:58:36] Goes on deaf ears
[00:58:38] So for me
[00:58:40] It's about spending some time
[00:58:42] Building the brand
[00:58:44] Building the story and the legacy
[00:58:46] You know
[00:58:48] During the professional stuff
[00:58:50] Absolutely
[00:58:52] You know that's some of the keys
[00:58:54] That I think a lot of folks
[00:58:56] Don't pay attention to but
[00:58:58] It's interesting sometimes because I try to
[00:59:00] Keep my ear to
[00:59:02] The culture
[00:59:04] And what way music is coming out now
[00:59:06] And someone pointed out something
[00:59:08] In one of the podcasts I laughed at
[00:59:10] But I said oh my god that is true
[00:59:12] Like some of the
[00:59:14] Quote on quote ratchet music
[00:59:16] People are coming out with today
[00:59:18] And it's going to be legacy acts in the future
[00:59:20] Because that content
[00:59:22] Isn't something that
[00:59:24] Of a very mature
[00:59:26] Individual would say
[00:59:28] Is it would only be those
[00:59:30] Who want that style
[00:59:32] So it could reduce
[00:59:34] Your longevity of being
[00:59:36] A legacy act and that's the thing
[00:59:38] That I guess a lot of folks don't think
[00:59:40] About when they just throw anything
[00:59:42] Just to sell and it's like
[00:59:44] That timeless music
[00:59:46] Conversation is something
[00:59:48] That a lot of people probably are going to
[00:59:50] Have to start going back to
[00:59:52] To figure out how can this
[00:59:54] Transcend time multiple generations
[00:59:56] Enjoy it
[00:59:58] That's where we are and that's what I like
[01:00:00] What you said you pointed out
[01:00:02] You're not just throwing it out
[01:00:04] Just to throw it out you need it to
[01:00:06] Accomplish the goal that is supposed to
[01:00:08] Administer to the people that is supposed to
[01:00:10] So why rush it
[01:00:12] Why rush it
[01:00:14] Why do you want to search you out
[01:00:16] And follow you and all that good stuff
[01:00:18] Everything is Jules Judah
[01:00:20] J-U-L-E-S-J-U-D-A
[01:00:22] And that's on
[01:00:24] All platforms
[01:00:26] And then
[01:00:28] Jules Bartholomew
[01:00:30] And Judah Camp on Facebook
[01:00:32] That's what's up. You want to touch on
[01:00:34] Judah Camp before we get out of here
[01:00:36] What's the uniqueness of Judah Camp
[01:00:38] So when we first started
[01:00:40] That's what we were called
[01:00:42] Judah Camp
[01:00:44] What happened was
[01:00:46] People were starting to
[01:00:50] People were starting to grab a whole
[01:00:52] Of individuals into Judah Camp
[01:00:54] And when those individuals
[01:00:56] Were no longer there
[01:00:58] Then it didn't feel like Judah Camp
[01:01:00] Anymore
[01:01:02] So with that being
[01:01:04] The case and also the industry
[01:01:06] Changing from the choir scene
[01:01:08] I had to
[01:01:10] Rebrand myself as Jules
[01:01:12] Judah
[01:01:14] Whatever I showed with
[01:01:16] Judah Camp
[01:01:18] That would be there
[01:01:20] Under the brand
[01:01:22] Judah Camp we released a single
[01:01:24] Called
[01:01:26] Living God
[01:01:28] Years ago
[01:01:30] When Megafest first started
[01:01:32] We went to Megafest with
[01:01:34] No invitation or nothing
[01:01:36] We just went
[01:01:38] With about
[01:01:40] 400 CDs
[01:01:42] Wow
[01:01:44] And came back with nothing
[01:01:46] We came back with like
[01:01:48] $6,000
[01:01:50] People would just see it
[01:01:52] They were singing in the streets
[01:01:54] We were singing in the exhibition hall
[01:01:56] And then
[01:01:58] TDJ's kids heard us
[01:02:00] In the exhibition hall and invited us
[01:02:02] To the youth service
[01:02:04] It was crazy but that's the kind of
[01:02:06] We were some real New York customers
[01:02:08] We went to Atlanta
[01:02:10] And did the
[01:02:12] The Dern thing
[01:02:14] But yeah, Judah Camp
[01:02:16] Had some history
[01:02:18] You know
[01:02:20] Did Bobby Jones
[01:02:22] We did some things that
[01:02:24] That really
[01:02:26] Got us out there
[01:02:28] I had some individuals in the group
[01:02:30] That
[01:02:32] Were big Thai tribut fans
[01:02:34] So
[01:02:36] They emulated a lot of his
[01:02:38] Antics
[01:02:40] Which I had a problem with
[01:02:42] Because my music was not
[01:02:44] Thai tribut music
[01:02:46] But it was in that vein
[01:02:48] When GA was out, we were out
[01:02:50] That's good stuff
[01:02:52] He's dropping history and jewels on us
[01:02:54] And you know all of this
[01:02:56] Can be searched out online
[01:02:58] That's the thing about Google now
[01:03:00] Go back and read the history
[01:03:02] And the YouTube footage
[01:03:04] And the tons out there
[01:03:06] So we'd like to thank Jules for
[01:03:08] Being in the building sharing his time
[01:03:10] With us man prayerfully
[01:03:12] All of y'all out there
[01:03:14] Be able to go and support
[01:03:16] At his music to the playlists
[01:03:18] Because that's the latest way
[01:03:20] You know what I mean
[01:03:22] For things that travel playlists
[01:03:24] So definitely man
[01:03:26] We appreciate you Jules for
[01:03:28] Being in the house with us man
[01:03:30] Appreciate you too sir
[01:03:32] Radio show
[01:03:34] Peace