Episode #57: "What is the day of atonement?"

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[00:03:07] Now, do we have Luke? Do you have some output? Let's see.

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[00:03:55] Tonight we're going to be talking about Yom Kippur, which is the Jewish holiday.

[00:03:59] The holy day for the Jewish religion.

[00:04:07] And that was last weekend.

[00:04:08] This weekend is actually is actually Sukkot.

[00:04:12] But we wanted to go over what is Yom Kippur and maybe just talk about some of the rituals that the Jewish that that Jewish celebration uses for significance.

[00:04:27] For things like atonement and forgiveness and forgiveness of sins and how this holiday pretty much points to Jesus as our ultimate sacrifice, our ultimate pathway to Yahweh.

[00:04:42] So.

[00:04:43] So, yeah, I think that's our topic tonight.

[00:04:46] We're going to kind of wing it tonight, I think.

[00:04:49] Didn't really have anywhere.

[00:04:52] Any one thing we wanted to talk about.

[00:04:54] We just kind of wanted to go over that holiday that happened last weekend.

[00:05:01] And if you want to, you can go to your Bibles.

[00:05:04] If you have your Bible with you, we're going to be sharing a little bit on Leviticus chapter 16, which is where God teaches Aaron, who was.

[00:05:18] Here we go.

[00:05:19] Here's Luke.

[00:05:20] See if we can get him on here.

[00:05:24] Here.

[00:05:24] I think I hear some output.

[00:05:26] There we go.

[00:05:28] See if we can get his camera in here.

[00:05:30] Did you just ditch the microphone?

[00:05:33] Heck yeah, dude.

[00:05:34] Man.

[00:05:35] It sounds good when you're on the microphone, but man, sometimes that output just won't work.

[00:05:40] I don't get it.

[00:05:41] I'm saying I can't even get it through my headphones and all, but I try not to like overload this microphone.

[00:05:50] It's all good, man.

[00:05:50] At least we can hear you.

[00:05:51] You're here.

[00:05:52] Thanks for being here tonight.

[00:05:54] I was just telling him what we're going to be talking about.

[00:05:57] Just the day of atonement.

[00:05:58] I think.

[00:05:59] I don't know if we really have a topic or where this episode might lead, but this was your idea to talk about the holiday that happened last weekend.

[00:06:10] Yeah.

[00:06:11] Yeah.

[00:06:14] Yeah, I was just sharing that it's in Leviticus 16 where God teaches them where pretty much Yom Kippur starts.

[00:06:27] Yeah.

[00:06:28] Yeah.

[00:06:29] So I was just sharing if you guys want to go to your Bibles.

[00:06:32] I don't know if we're going to read much of it, but that's where it is.

[00:06:39] I don't know.

[00:06:40] We don't have a whole lot of announcements this week.

[00:06:48] Oh, well, I'll just say a few things.

[00:06:52] I'm thankful to have somebody, another guitar player, hopefully hook up with us soon.

[00:06:58] Kyle Rilling.

[00:06:58] I hope to give him a shout out.

[00:07:01] I've got another bass player that's interested in trying to learn bass for us.

[00:07:06] And his name is Cyrus.

[00:07:08] I want to shout him out.

[00:07:11] This band that contacted us recently that you turned me on to, they're called, what are they called?

[00:07:17] They're called No...

[00:07:18] No Treaty.

[00:07:20] No Treaty.

[00:07:21] They're actually pretty good.

[00:07:23] Like, the lyrics are amazing.

[00:07:26] And I just listened to them today and I was like, wow.

[00:07:28] So they're hooking up with us on social media.

[00:07:32] Happy to know that there's other people to socialize with and realize that there's...

[00:07:36] And it seems like maybe they're newer also.

[00:07:39] They only have a few songs.

[00:07:41] Yeah.

[00:07:42] And just happy to see that's going on.

[00:07:44] So just excited for relationships and more things to come for that.

[00:07:51] Amen.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:52] So we're pretty close to getting a full band now, which we are happy about.

[00:07:57] That just gets us closer to hopefully playing some live shows.

[00:08:01] And, yeah.

[00:08:03] I'm just excited about what it seems like God is doing in the metalcore genre.

[00:08:09] You know, finding and meeting, hopefully, friends in the band No Treaty.

[00:08:20] You know, we were talking a little bit today.

[00:08:22] And, you know, he was saying, like, he was just like, he couldn't believe how far their band has moved forward.

[00:08:31] And how, you know, it just seems like God has really got his hand on their band.

[00:08:36] And they're just kind of dumbfounded with where God is leading them and just excited about the future.

[00:08:42] And I was telling him that's how we feel also.

[00:08:45] We're just like, I can't even believe this is still going.

[00:08:48] I can't believe we find the members that we found that are wanting to be a part of this thing.

[00:08:54] No, dude.

[00:08:56] It's by far led by our loving father.

[00:09:03] And it's just because he's good to us.

[00:09:08] And we're so thankful.

[00:09:10] So, yeah, I feel like God is doing something in this genre that is amazing.

[00:09:18] Yeah, dude.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] Well, like, it's like you have to look in the right places, I guess.

[00:09:24] Or just like God is really just showing us those places.

[00:09:26] Because even if I get on Spotify or I try to find new music and stuff, I'm like, yeah, you know, like there's not a whole lot of Christian bands that are still active or making music.

[00:09:37] And of course, I love listening to the older stuff that people have created and other bands that I like to listen to.

[00:09:44] But to find some that are actually active again.

[00:09:48] And I was just looking at this band today, man.

[00:09:52] It was like inspirational music or something.

[00:09:56] Or maybe, I don't know what band I was listening to.

[00:09:59] It said that they just, this is just so prophetic to me, man.

[00:10:03] It said that they started in 2008.

[00:10:06] Signed with Face Down Records.

[00:10:08] Then they disbanded in 2013.

[00:10:12] And then now they're back in 2024 regrouping.

[00:10:17] Just like 10 years later, like we are.

[00:10:20] And they're starting to record music again as a group.

[00:10:23] And I'm like, what is going on here?

[00:10:25] So it was in their biography.

[00:10:27] And I'm just like, I'm like, dude, this is too similar to what we're doing.

[00:10:33] And we didn't even really have a plan on how this was going to go.

[00:10:36] So it's still done.

[00:10:37] And that's the beautiful thing is we're just going to let God continue to amaze us.

[00:10:41] And it's just going to make it that much more meaningful for people to watch what happens, you know,

[00:10:47] and what we can come up with and what God can do through us.

[00:10:49] And that's what's so beautiful about it.

[00:10:51] It's not going to be our own power trying to ram things through or push anything.

[00:10:55] It's going to be like unadulterated, spirit-filled metalcore, which I think is what No Treaty put in their bio at the very end.

[00:11:05] It's just a spirit-filled metalcore.

[00:11:07] And I was like, nice.

[00:11:08] And it was in quotation marks.

[00:11:10] And I was like, yeah.

[00:11:11] You know, that's like a stamp now for people.

[00:11:15] It's like, hey, we're not a Christian band.

[00:11:18] We're not this and that.

[00:11:19] You know, like let's just say spirit-filled music.

[00:11:21] And then when you listen to their music and their lyrics and stuff, you get to see that that fruit is actually there.

[00:11:27] And you're like, yeah, okay.

[00:11:28] They're not, you know, they're actually legit.

[00:11:31] So I encourage anybody else to go check that band out and give them some love.

[00:11:35] Go listen to some things.

[00:11:38] Yeah, go listen to No Treaty.

[00:11:39] I really like, because I've said that sometimes too on some of our bios is we're just like a spirit-led metalcore band.

[00:11:48] And I think it helps with a little bit of the separation of, you know, just saying you're a Christian band.

[00:11:56] There's a lot, because unfortunately, there's been a lot of bands that are just Christian in their name only and not in their lifestyle.

[00:12:02] And I think when a band says, you know, they're spirit-filled or spirit-led, it means, you know, we're actively seeking to submit to the Holy Spirit and to submit to what his plan is and what he has for us.

[00:12:17] And rather than just saying we're a Christian in our name, but living a different life.

[00:12:23] And so I love that.

[00:12:27] I love that they put that, because that means they're actively seeking after God and actively desiring to live a lifestyle that is obedient to the Holy Spirit.

[00:12:42] Absolutely.

[00:12:43] Yeah.

[00:12:45] That's what it's all about, dude.

[00:12:47] Yeah, for sure.

[00:12:50] Let's go check them out.

[00:12:50] Did you catch who the band that you were talking about?

[00:12:53] Who was that that you were talking about?

[00:12:57] Look, real quick.

[00:12:58] I like their song on Spotify, so I could probably pull it up real quick and just, you know, go on some changes here real quick.

[00:13:08] Let's see.

[00:13:09] Let's see.

[00:13:10] Right away.

[00:13:10] Let's see.

[00:13:11] It's going to be...

[00:13:16] Hey, so they came out with a new single.

[00:13:18] I'm like, oh, okay, they're still doing stuff.

[00:13:20] Oh, nice.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:23] Yeah, man.

[00:13:26] This one's called Small Voice.

[00:13:30] Okay.

[00:13:31] Let's see.

[00:13:31] I'm going to see if I can look at their...

[00:13:36] Sorry.

[00:13:37] Just camera here real quick.

[00:13:41] Small Voice?

[00:13:42] Is the band?

[00:13:43] They're called Small Voice.

[00:13:47] And I'm going to see if I can look at their...

[00:13:50] Yeah.

[00:13:51] Okay.

[00:13:53] Well, maybe that's not the band I was thinking of, man.

[00:13:55] Sorry.

[00:13:56] It's not the right...

[00:13:59] Okay.

[00:14:04] About that.

[00:14:05] But there's something I listened to recently, and I just looked at their...

[00:14:09] I don't know if it was a Christian band, honestly.

[00:14:12] I just don't know if it was or not.

[00:14:14] I can't be sure about it.

[00:14:15] But I was like, man, you know, people are just like, they don't care how long it's been.

[00:14:19] They're going to come back and try to, you know, do what they know how to do.

[00:14:23] It's like 10 years ago by, and they're like, hey, you guys want to break the instruments out again?

[00:14:27] I've been writing for this and things, you know, just that kind of stuff is beautiful to me.

[00:14:33] So I guess I should give a lot of other people hope on what they, you know, want to do musically or just not, you know, don't ever get discouraged about things that just like are obviously happening every single day.

[00:14:46] And we're a testimony to it.

[00:14:48] You know, no matter how far it goes with us, we've done it this far.

[00:14:51] And it's like, I can't believe it.

[00:14:53] Yeah.

[00:14:53] So.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:56] That's why I really related with the guys in No Treaty.

[00:14:59] It's like, man, I can't even believe where we're at.

[00:15:04] And.

[00:15:05] Yeah.

[00:15:07] Yeah.

[00:15:08] Unbelievable.

[00:15:10] So, yeah, especially even with the podcast.

[00:15:13] Like, here we are.

[00:15:14] This is 57.

[00:15:15] Number 57.

[00:15:16] We're still doing it.

[00:15:17] Still being obedient.

[00:15:18] Still doing our best.

[00:15:20] Like last night, Luke, we were talking about how.

[00:15:26] We've got to push through those like these like fears of like what people might think of us or how we sound or what it might look like.

[00:15:34] And that's been a little bit of a challenge with this podcast has been, you know, we have these technical issues and, you know, we worry that like maybe somebody will not listen again or something.

[00:15:44] But yeah, it's like, let's take the focus off ourselves.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:16:17] Nice try.

[00:16:18] It's not what we're supposed to be doing right now.

[00:16:20] But the fact that we can get on here for a whole hour and run out of time every single time and not even really be that extensively like prepared with a bunch of scriptures or anything like that.

[00:16:29] It's just a few things.

[00:16:31] And then the Holy Spirit's like, yep, okay, you started it.

[00:16:34] All I needed was for you to initiate the process.

[00:16:36] And now I'm going to go through with it and tell him what I want you to tell him.

[00:16:42] So.

[00:16:44] Yeah.

[00:16:44] Gosh.

[00:16:46] God, we love you.

[00:16:47] Thank you so much for being, for just doing this, guiding us to it.

[00:16:52] I mean, seriously.

[00:16:53] Absolutely.

[00:16:55] So, yeah.

[00:16:57] Luke, this was your topic.

[00:16:59] What do you, how do you kind of want to, how do you kind of want to do this tonight?

[00:17:04] I know we want to share on maybe what is it, what is the day of atonement or what is atonement mean even?

[00:17:11] Or.

[00:17:14] It's also.

[00:17:16] The day of atonement is called Yom Kippur.

[00:17:19] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:21] So, I don't know if you want to kind of just go over what that is or.

[00:17:25] Yeah, I do.

[00:17:26] I'll start talking about it for.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:29] For a minute.

[00:17:31] It's.

[00:17:37] Well.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:07] Yeah.

[00:18:09] Like when the temple was being, like Hanukkah.

[00:18:13] You know, Hanukkah was the one that was created by the Jewish people and was not commanded, but they still hold it.

[00:18:20] Jesus celebrated Hanukkah when he was alive every year of his stinking life.

[00:18:26] You know, it's like, so, but these are God's feasts.

[00:18:30] So, you know, I think everybody should be wary of it because it says, it actually says we're going to be celebrating these feasts in Revelation when the millennium comes and Jesus is on the earth for a thousand years.

[00:18:44] And so, I don't think people understand that weight of this because, you know, why, why if they were just feasts we were supposed to celebrate in the Old Testament and all these things are null and void.

[00:18:59] Why are we going to be celebrating them in the millennium?

[00:19:02] You know, why are we still going to be celebrating them?

[00:19:05] Like, I thought they were canceled.

[00:19:08] You know, for this.

[00:19:09] And it says over and over again, heaven, heaven is known.

[00:19:14] He still went to, he still ran home for Shabbat every single Friday night.

[00:19:19] He still ran home.

[00:19:20] It's in, it's in the New Testament where he ran home because he had to prepare for the Sabbath.

[00:19:25] And, you know, there's, there's actually a few, like the ones that are going to be celebrated in the millennium are just the normal Sabbath, Passover,

[00:19:37] and Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Tabernacles, the weekly Sabbath.

[00:19:43] You know, just a Feast of Tabernacles.

[00:19:46] I've said that already, but there's just several verses of these in Ezekiel prophesying that these will be celebrated even in the age to come.

[00:19:55] Um, so why is it, why are we taking a break is my point.

[00:19:59] Like, why is it true?

[00:20:00] Taking a break.

[00:20:01] And I see some churches bringing it back out and saying, we're going to start celebrating Sukkot, which is basically, which is going to be this next, uh, weekend.

[00:20:09] I think is, uh, Sukkot.

[00:20:11] I mean, it's already happening now.

[00:20:13] Um, Friday to Saturday.

[00:20:15] And, uh, it's like the Jewish Thanksgiving almost in a way, um, you know, where you just offer, uh, you know, thanks, thanks for what you have and you have a feast.

[00:20:26] Um, but as far as, uh, the Day of Atonement, um, you know, the high priest would make an atoning sacrifice for the sins of the people on the Day of Atonement.

[00:20:37] And this act of paying the penalty for sin brought reconciliation, a restored relationship between people and God.

[00:20:44] Uh, after the blood sacrifice was offered to the Lord, a goat was released to the wilderness to symbolically carry away the sins of the people.

[00:20:51] This scapegoat was never to return.

[00:20:54] So that's where we get the term scapegoat from is because there was one that was sacrificed for your sins once a year.

[00:21:01] And so, and they had to sacrifice an animal for you to Jerusalem for that day.

[00:21:12] But then what about the rest of the year?

[00:21:13] What about the rest of the sins that you commit?

[00:21:15] Are they just building up until, because, you know, if you were sacrificing animals every single day, you would never stop.

[00:21:22] You would never stop.

[00:21:23] So no, this was an appointed time to do this.

[00:21:25] And then the scapegoat was a second goat that they would lay their hands on and they would transfer in a way of transferring like their sins and their guilt.

[00:21:34] And then they would send it out of the, out of the camp.

[00:21:37] And then it would eventually probably get eaten by a lion or something, you know, but they would send it out and exile it from the camp.

[00:21:44] And it would go off into wilderness and try to survive for as long as it could probably.

[00:21:47] But this is just a system they had.

[00:21:49] And this is how they thought we're going to get away.

[00:21:52] We're going to just, we're going to take our, the sins are being atoned for, the blood, the life is in the blood.

[00:21:57] It's being atoned for, the penalty for the sin.

[00:22:00] Now the guilt is for the goat to walk out of camp and to get, you know, far away from camp.

[00:22:05] So you're like getting it away from you.

[00:22:08] And I think this is just everything prophesies towards Yeshua.

[00:22:12] It just does.

[00:22:13] You know, Yeshua was the blood sacrifice, the guilt sacrifice.

[00:22:18] You know, when it said they stabbed his side and blood and water came flowing out.

[00:22:23] Water doesn't separate from blood in your body until your heart's been, has stopped beating for a long time.

[00:22:29] If you look at doctors, you know, research on, on, on the body, like he was dead for quite a bit for that to happen.

[00:22:38] Because if water and blood flowed out, that means that there's a process.

[00:22:43] I don't know what it's called exactly.

[00:22:44] It's like rigor mortis, but different where your, your, your, your blood and water will separate in your body.

[00:22:49] And that's what happens after you die.

[00:22:52] So he had been dead for a while.

[00:22:54] You know, they came by to break his legs and said, oh no, he's still, or he's already dead.

[00:22:57] Let's not break his legs.

[00:22:58] So, and almost, you know, these lictors, these, these professional torturers were probably like, oh man, I didn't get to break his legs.

[00:23:05] And so one of them grabbed the spear and stabbed him in the side.

[00:23:08] It said they already knew he was dead.

[00:23:10] So one of them did it probably out of frustration, like stab.

[00:23:14] And then it said blood and water flowed out from his side.

[00:23:17] And it's just a symbol of the blood paying the penalty and the water to wash away any guilt and cleanse you from the, the, you know, because the penalty of sin can be paid.

[00:23:31] But the, uh, the lingering guilt in the, in the, uh,

[00:23:42] So I'm going to stay with, and I'm not going to lie.

[00:23:44] It's still like that today.

[00:23:46] Like we're still, it's up to us in a way to take it all and put it on God because, and realize that, Hey, you take away the guilt.

[00:23:53] You take away the sins.

[00:23:54] As far as the East is from the West.

[00:23:57] You say, you forget, you, you forget no more of my sins.

[00:24:00] Like you, if I bring up my sins to you, you're like, what, what sin?

[00:24:04] If you, if you truly repented for it, if you're not constantly bringing this up with him, just like they weren't constantly sacrificing animals, you know, but you know, you just look at the, um, so as far as atonement goes,

[00:24:16] I don't want to go on too much of a tangent.

[00:24:17] I can break it up a little bit, man.

[00:24:18] If you want to, want to talk, talk a little bit.

[00:24:22] No, keep going.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:23] It's awesome.

[00:24:27] Okay, man.

[00:24:27] Well, uh, I was just thinking, oh, is my foot on a sleep mode or something?

[00:24:31] Get that crap out of here.

[00:24:33] Okay.

[00:24:34] You went sideways for a minute.

[00:24:36] What the joke?

[00:24:37] All right.

[00:24:37] That's funny, dude.

[00:24:38] Keep, keep touching.

[00:24:40] Um, yeah.

[00:24:41] Uh, well, well, I'm, I'm reading here, uh, you know, yeah, he talks about the two goats and, uh, I'm reading here and it says the sufficiency and completeness of the sacrifice of cross of Christ is seen in the two goats.

[00:24:56] The blood of the first goat was sprinkled on the ark, ritually appeasing the wrath of God for another year.

[00:25:02] The second goat removes the sins of the people into the wilderness where they were for, where they were forgotten and no longer clung to the people.

[00:25:10] Um, sin is both, uh, appropriate, propitiated and, and only by the sacrifice, only by the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

[00:25:23] Both together are achieved eternally by Christ.

[00:25:25] When he sacrificed himself on the cross, he appeased God's wrath against sin, taking that wrath upon himself.

[00:25:31] And the removal of sin by the second goat was a living parable of the promise that God would remove our transgressions from us as far as the East is from the West, like you said.

[00:25:41] Um, yeah.

[00:25:43] Yeah.

[00:25:44] Amazing, man.

[00:25:46] And, and, you know, interestingly enough, uh, you know, I, when I, when I was visiting in Israel, I asked the tour guide who was a Messianic Jewish, uh, kid.

[00:25:54] Uh, he, I said, uh, you know, a Jewish person who believes Jesus is the Messiah.

[00:25:59] And I was like, so, you know, can you explain to me why the Jews, if, if Jesus wasn't the Messiah and he didn't pay the penalty fully for our sins?

[00:26:09] Why is the sacrificial system not observed still?

[00:26:13] And he said, oh, because the temple got destroyed.

[00:26:16] If they had the temple, they'd be doing it right now.

[00:26:18] They would absolutely just, they would still be doing it.

[00:26:21] And I'm like, oh my gosh, I didn't know that because I thought that was something really telling where I was like, okay, well, something happened where they feel like it's not important anymore.

[00:26:29] But no, no, they're totally hardcore.

[00:26:32] They're like, no, I don't believe Jesus was the Messiah.

[00:26:35] And if we had a temple, we would, we would still be doing the day of atonement.

[00:26:39] We would still be sacrificing animals to the priests inside the temple.

[00:26:42] So if they rebuild the temple, they're going to pick up right where they left off from.

[00:26:46] And, uh, but then you look at certain things like Paul's writings and different things like that, where all these people are coming under the Holy Spirit and realizing that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

[00:26:56] And that that's not necessary anymore, that they all just feel this in their heart and they've been forgiven once and for all by the ultimate sacrifice.

[00:27:06] And, uh, so that's why we understand and come to believe that the sacrificial system was just a temporary, uh, system to prophesy the, the ultimate sacrifice, which was Christ.

[00:27:20] Right. It's not even, you know, even towards Christ when he was in the belly of the, of the, um, of the oil for three days and three nights and then was spit up on the beach.

[00:27:31] It was like Jesus when he was in the tomb for three days.

[00:27:34] And it was just a, it was just a, uh, a precursor.

[00:27:38] Every one of these stories is so eerily similar to something that happened later on.

[00:27:42] And so that's why I want to encourage people that in revelation is talked about, we're going to be celebrating these feasts.

[00:27:48] And, uh, to go, all of these feasts are going to be celebrated.

[00:27:51] The regular Sabbaths are going to be, uh, uh, observed.

[00:27:55] And, you know, it says we'll have peace on this earth like we've never had before for 1000 years.

[00:27:59] Um, the people will beat their plows in the, in, in, or their, uh, swords in the plowshares and their spears in the pruning hooks because there will be no more war.

[00:28:08] And, uh, Jesus is, is in charge.

[00:28:11] He's the king.

[00:28:12] He's up there at that time.

[00:28:13] And, uh, but, you know, ultimately I just, I think about the sacrificial system too.

[00:28:19] And I'm sure I've said this a thousand times on this podcast, but.

[00:28:23] You know, the first animal sacrifice was in Genesis chapter.

[00:28:27] I don't know if it's chapter one, even, but in Genesis when.

[00:28:31] You know, God saw that they were naked and they covered themselves with leaves because this is man's attempt of covering their guilt and their sins.

[00:28:38] They just take some leaves, sew them together.

[00:28:40] And it's just, it's, it's totally not satisfactory to cover themselves.

[00:28:44] It's absolutely, you know, even in man's attempt to cover their guilt and their sin, God was like, that's not going to work.

[00:28:52] And he, he ended up skinning some animals and killing them to make animal skins for them to cover themselves.

[00:28:59] And God was like, this is appropriate.

[00:29:02] Something had to die for your sins.

[00:29:04] And so an innocent animal or two had to die.

[00:29:07] And you got to imagine this is like Adam's kids.

[00:29:10] Basically, he named every single one of these animals and these are their kids.

[00:29:14] And so it's like, how would you feel if Scruffy had to come in and you just had to kill him and slit his throat one day because you sinned for the day or on the year of atonement.

[00:29:24] You've got Scruffy over here and like, he's the only one that you can take in there and you can't take any other animal in there.

[00:29:30] You're going to slit your own pet's throat like that.

[00:29:33] So you got to imagine these were his kids.

[00:29:35] And so you can imagine the actual, the heaviness of that moment where God was like, this is, this is what's sufficient for what happened.

[00:29:45] You know, you need these skins to cover yourself because it's a symbol of the blood of the animal, you know, dying.

[00:29:53] And then you're going to wear the skins now and it's going to be a constant reminder that this is what you did.

[00:29:59] You know, this is what you did.

[00:30:00] And so, you know, I don't think God wanted them to, God absolutely kept the relationship with them.

[00:30:07] But then at the same time, there's consequences for our actions.

[00:30:10] So I think he wanted them to, you know, bear that resemblance of having atoned for their sins in that manner.

[00:30:19] God was like, this is what will work here.

[00:30:22] And so, yeah, just think about the animal sacrifice system and how it's always been just a temporary, a temporary system to fix eternal and what's the word I'm looking for?

[00:30:38] Fatal issue.

[00:30:40] Like sin is just a fatal disease that we're all born with.

[00:30:44] There's nobody who survives.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:48] Yeah, I was, yeah, I was thinking that, yeah, everything in the Old Testament is pointing to Jesus and what he's going to do.

[00:30:56] And even when there was an interpretation, I heard of Jesus, his first miracle changing water into wine.

[00:31:07] And when he, when he did that, he used pots of water that, that the Jewish leaders or the Jewish people would wash themselves clean with.

[00:31:19] Right.

[00:31:21] And, and yeah, isn't that, isn't that wild that Jesus is like ruining these religious traditions?

[00:31:25] It's almost like Jesus is pointing to like, like, Hey, these are, these tasks, these religious tasks are over with.

[00:31:31] Like, like he just performed a miracle and there are people going like, how do we wash our hands now?

[00:31:37] How are we going to be clean?

[00:31:39] Like, it's like, it's like their, their, their focus was totally blinded.

[00:31:43] They didn't even, they didn't even look at it.

[00:31:45] I didn't even think about that.

[00:31:47] Maybe even they even, they're completely looking past the miracle of what, of Jesus, of what he's, what he just did, which is kind of, you know, you know, it's a miracle that he resurrected.

[00:31:58] But our religious, uh, our religious behaviors and just being used to those tasks, uh, like you said, you know, um, Jewish people would still be doing a lot of these things had they had, if they had the temple in Jerusalem.

[00:32:16] And, uh, and, you know, a lot of, a lot of things we, we see is, is Jesus is, is ruining.

[00:32:22] And it's probably what got him killed also is he's ruining these religious activities because he's saying now I am, um, I am the sacrificial lamb.

[00:32:32] Um, uh, and so I, I love that interpretation of just like, he's ruining their clean water to be able to clean themselves.

[00:32:40] And it's like, it's because you can't clean yourself.

[00:32:42] Jesus is the one that can do it and you don't have to.

[00:32:46] And now we can celebrate.

[00:32:48] We have wine.

[00:32:49] Uh, wine was used to celebrate.

[00:32:50] And now because we can celebrate.

[00:32:54] Um, yeah.

[00:32:55] Dude, I never, I never thought about that before because you were absolutely right.

[00:32:59] Those cisterns that were holding the water in him were not for drinking.

[00:33:03] Their water was terrible in those days.

[00:33:06] And that's why they chose to drink wine for every, for every meal and everything, because the alcohol that was in the wine would kill any bacteria or anything that's in it.

[00:33:15] They would give you dysentery or things like that.

[00:33:17] So you got to imagine they're even washing their hands with tainted water.

[00:33:20] It's just a tradition that they've been doing for so long.

[00:33:22] It's like, we can't ingest the water, but at least we wash, you know, the crap off our hands and stuff.

[00:33:28] And it's like, it's a good thing to be doing, but they took it to another level.

[00:33:31] And you're absolutely right.

[00:33:32] That water was not for drinking.

[00:33:34] And, uh, to be honest, you know, they were just even the most amazing part was they'd said, you know, who brought out, you know, the, like the wedding had been going on for a while and they ran out of wine.

[00:33:45] And then somebody was like, who brings out the best wine last, you know, this is never, so he made the best wine that you can imagine because normally people, you know, normally people would serve it back in those days, that expensive stuff.

[00:34:00] They would serve that first and only a small amount of it.

[00:34:03] They'd buy a small amount of the expensive stuff.

[00:34:05] Then when people were tipsy and they didn't really notice a difference with their taste buds and the cheap wine came out.

[00:34:10] And so people are totally expecting, okay, the next round of wine is just going to be the cheap stuff.

[00:34:15] And then they noticed right away.

[00:34:17] They're like, they can still tell this is really the best.

[00:34:19] This was better than the stuff we started out with.

[00:34:22] And they just like, who does this?

[00:34:23] You know, like, this is not, this is not the, so even in that miracle, it was like, you're going to get the best stuff.

[00:34:30] You know, that's like, um, and the fact that he was like, my time has not yet come.

[00:34:34] And then, uh, Mary convinces him to do it.

[00:34:38] And, uh, the fact that he allows her to convince him to do it, it was actually his time.

[00:34:42] He just wanted her to know that it was his time, I think.

[00:34:44] And that's a lot of things that we deal with.

[00:34:46] I think is like, God wants to know, God wants to know that, you know, that he knows that, you know, that he knows.

[00:34:53] And that's really what that moment was about where it's like, they had that conversation where he said, no, woman, it's not my time yet.

[00:34:59] And then she just goes to the servants and doesn't even talk to him anymore.

[00:35:02] And she's, she's like, do anything he asks you to do, just do what he tells you.

[00:35:07] And then he sees this, this, she's not going to take no for an answer.

[00:35:12] And he tells him to go get these, these, uh, you know, these cisterns and fill them up with water or something.

[00:35:19] And, uh, it's just, it's, it's really interesting to see God's, uh, interaction with humans, uh, in, in his mother and with his disciples and stuff.

[00:35:29] If you just look at some of the meat and all the little details, man, of how he met with Mark after he resurrected and, and, and asked him three times, do you love me?

[00:35:38] Do you love me? Do you love me? It was, it was to counteract the three times that he denied him before, uh, he was arrested and crucified where he denied him three times before the rooster crowed.

[00:35:50] And so he's sitting on a beach. I think he was out there trying to kill himself. He was suicidal, uh, trying to drown himself, tying a millstone around his neck and out on the boat fishing.

[00:36:01] And he was planning on doing that. And then Jesus was on the beach one day. He's just like, come have a breakfast for me.

[00:36:07] And he was like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe it's you. And they sat down and ate some fish together.

[00:36:12] And, um, you know, that's what he did. It was, he asked him three times, do you love me? Do you love me? Do you love me?

[00:36:17] And it's like, why is he asking him three times? It's because he wanted him to answer, you know, on the third time, you know, I love you, Lord.

[00:36:24] You know, you know, you know, my heart, you know, my heart. And he's like, well then, uh, build my church, you know, take care of my sheep.

[00:36:30] And he's credited with the starting of the church of Christianity, you know, um, in that moment, you know, and then Jesus told him how he was going to die in that same moment also.

[00:36:41] And it absolutely happened exactly how Jesus told him to, it was going to happen.

[00:36:45] And then he was crucified, uh, and chose to be crucified upside down because he didn't think he was worthy enough to be crucified like Christ.

[00:36:52] And they definitely crucified him upside down. So for anybody who thinks the upside down cross is something that Satan invented, it was absolutely a Christian symbol from the very beginning.

[00:37:02] And he couldn't even take that right. You know, he just stole that from us. You know, everything he has is not his. He can only corrupt. He cannot create.

[00:37:12] Including metal music, including metal music, you guys.

[00:37:17] And I think about all the cultures throughout all the world, man, where there's just drums, like you go to Africa, there's mainly drums.

[00:37:25] There's maybe some flute instruments, but then there's mainly chanting and dancing, um, in ceremonies.

[00:37:33] And then the American Indians, there's drums, you know, there's no guitars. There's none of that going on in the culture.

[00:37:38] So everybody had their own way of worshiping, uh, whatever God that they were worshiping.

[00:37:44] But you have to look at this humanity that God created and say, look, we have different cultures.

[00:37:50] We have different styles of music and people are attracted to certain things for a reason because God is absolutely, you can look it up.

[00:37:58] But there's probably, uh, Native American flute music that's, uh, from a Christian artist who just does all that for the glory of God.

[00:38:06] And they make sure everybody knows it's for the glory of God.

[00:38:09] And how many people are changed by that type of, of, uh, music, saxophone artists, maybe, who just like everything is out in the open saying, you know, I'm, I'm here to preach the good news also with my music.

[00:38:22] And it's all to glorify God and God blesses those people to make that type of music and for metal and everything else, man, it's just a whole nother realm where it's like, look, most of that market.

[00:38:33] I'm not going to say every other market isn't saturated with secularism and, you know, rock and roll and rock and roll and rap music in general is really, really in pop music too, is, is pretty flagrantly secular.

[00:38:45] And, uh, you know, but the metal scene is something that doesn't really get a whole lot of attention.

[00:38:50] I don't think like, so to be called into that ministry in this, in this style of music is like, is like an honor to me to be able to play this type of music.

[00:39:00] And just like, it's not just because I enjoy it or enjoy listening to it, but I just know that it's helping a lot of hurting people to listen to that type of music and to have hope portrayed to them through that music.

[00:39:14] Because most, most people that listen to that music are the realest people you'll ever meet.

[00:39:19] They're the most hurting people you'll ever meet.

[00:39:22] The kindest people you'll, you'll ever know.

[00:39:25] They'll give you the shirt off their back.

[00:39:27] Um, you're in a mosh pit together.

[00:39:28] Somebody will pick you up off the ground.

[00:39:30] If you get bumped down or something, they'll pick you right back up and dance with you.

[00:39:34] And it's just like the community.

[00:39:36] And these are people who do not know God.

[00:39:38] They don't know Jesus.

[00:39:39] And they're still searching for that, that family and that group of belonging.

[00:39:44] And then if you bring this, this, uh, and then maybe this is, it's, uh, no treaty is watching.

[00:39:49] It's just like, Hey, you know, if you guys are playing live and stuff too, it's just like, have that in your mind the entire time.

[00:39:54] Just meditate on the fact that the Holy Spirit is bringing you here for a reason.

[00:39:58] These people want to hear hope.

[00:40:00] They want to hear, Oh my gosh, this, I've been looking for this my entire life.

[00:40:04] I know God's been calling me.

[00:40:06] Now I'm going to go dance my butt off and just like, Oh, try to stage dive or something like that.

[00:40:10] Like the Holy Spirit is just going to smack them down.

[00:40:13] And then after the show, they're going to come up and be like, dude, you know, I really enjoyed the music.

[00:40:18] Uh, I don't know about your message that much or anything.

[00:40:21] And you get to talk to them about it.

[00:40:22] Or they're just like, dude, I'm a Christian.

[00:40:24] I love your message, dude.

[00:40:25] I'm so you're like, you're like my favorite band right now and stuff.

[00:40:29] And that stuff will happen.

[00:40:30] And, you know, it's just, it's, it's amazing that the Holy Spirit, but it's, it's the Holy Spirit that they love.

[00:40:35] You know, it's, it's always Jesus and God that they're in love.

[00:40:38] It's not us, you know, we're just the conduit.

[00:40:41] But they're just going to spill their heart on like that.

[00:40:44] And it's just amazing.

[00:40:45] You know, it is.

[00:40:46] Yeah, I was, I mean, some of you know, my story a little bit is God got my attention by using a metalcore vocalist, Matty Montgomery.

[00:40:56] Like, I've never been the same ever since I started, ever since I started listening to For Today and his sermons.

[00:41:05] And he got my attention.

[00:41:06] And that's how he got my, that's how he got my attention.

[00:41:08] That's how he got me to, uh, to begin or to get a, he planted a seed in me to begin following him, you know?

[00:41:17] And it's like, that's why I'm so inspired to share the gospel with everything that I do, because you never know who you might reach or who is listening.

[00:41:27] And just like with someone like, like me, I was just, I knew that it was God when, uh, uh, when he was getting my attention, he was getting my attention through a metalcore band.

[00:41:41] And so, um, that's why, that's why I think it's so, it's so beautiful.

[00:41:45] God knows how to get our attention.

[00:41:47] And, and a lot of times he's, especially in the metalcore scene, he's trying to find, uh, um, there's a lot of, you know, broken people that listen to that music, uh, because it's so passionate and because it's so loud and fast.

[00:42:02] And, uh, the screams are, uh, symbolic of what's happening almost like inside of us.

[00:42:08] You know, we want to scream out our emotions and, you know, and so that's why I think this type of music really resonates with a lot of people that are candidates to follow Jesus.

[00:42:22] I think so, dude.

[00:42:23] Yeah.

[00:42:24] It's like, you know, you do that anywhere else in society and they're trying to put you in a mental institution.

[00:42:29] So you go to a show like that and you're totally accepted to just, uh, release all of this energy that you just need to get off your chest.

[00:42:38] And, and just enjoy people that made it all this music and, you know, amazing guitar, uh, lines, amazing vocal, uh, tones and, and screams and singing and stuff.

[00:42:50] And just the lyrical content, the drummer who's just going crazy with double kick pedals on the drums, just, you know, 16th note, uh, blast beats on it.

[00:42:59] And it's just like, man, you know, there's so many different parts to a metal song too.

[00:43:03] I'm just going on a tangent.

[00:43:04] It's like the breakdowns, which are heavy.

[00:43:06] And then there's like, you know, faster parts that are like a circle pit type music where you just run around in a circle and just skip around like, like an idiot.

[00:43:15] And then, uh, two stepping is just like a beat where it's just like, and people do that where you just kind of like two stepping, like, you know, and everybody gets in on it.

[00:43:26] It's really, really fun stuff.

[00:43:28] If you, if you ever look at it, maybe you'll get, uh, hooked on it.

[00:43:32] But, uh, yeah, I just think it's a really, really, uh, amazing, you know, part of the music scene that you can, you can actually do a lot with, you know, you can actually do a whole lot with it.

[00:43:46] And I think that's why the Holy Spirit is really like, I'm going to bless this.

[00:43:49] And, uh, you know, you just see it all the time.

[00:43:52] It's like, we don't even know where some of these things come from.

[00:43:55] Um, you know, just, you know, just thanks to restream, uh, Facebook and all these other sites that are just like holding us up, giving us a platform.

[00:44:05] Uh, you know, letting us, letting us, letting us do this stream.

[00:44:09] Um, the people who watch us, you know, the people who send us a message every now and then and say, Hey man, you know, uh, uh, wanted to see I have something.

[00:44:17] We got their personal profiles on Facebook.

[00:44:20] Now they can send us a message and it's just, uh, man, there's nothing like it guys.

[00:44:24] And like, you know, and, and there's so much room for people to team up with.

[00:44:28] It's like, Hey, you know, we can have a whole group of people, like, especially in Denver, man, we could start, we could restart the Christian metal scene from 2008 and 2009.

[00:44:38] And, uh, you know, just, it's so much, so much to be thankful for and look forward to and be grateful for.

[00:44:44] And you meet other bands like that and you're just like, wow, God is absolutely right on, right on cue.

[00:44:51] He's just like, yep.

[00:44:51] Working with these guys too.

[00:44:53] Yep.

[00:44:53] Getting them lined up.

[00:44:55] Yep.

[00:44:55] They're going to do exactly what you guys are trying to do.

[00:44:57] And you're going to help them do that.

[00:44:59] And you're like, wow, this is crazy.

[00:45:01] And they're going to help you.

[00:45:02] It's like, wow.

[00:45:03] Because that's just what the family does.

[00:45:06] That's what, yeah, that's what I felt with talking to the guys over in no treaty.

[00:45:10] It was like, it was like immediately you could feel like, oh, we're family.

[00:45:14] Like, how is that even possible?

[00:45:16] Somebody, you know, somebody that we don't even, I don't even know what they look like or who really, who they are.

[00:45:23] And we're talking back and forth and we can, and I can feel like we're family.

[00:45:27] And that's the beautiful thing about giving your life to Christ and joining into and grafting yourself, you know, into his kingdom family is, is man, you can feel so connected with someone who is a brother or a sister in Christ.

[00:45:42] And it's the craziest feeling.

[00:45:43] And you could just almost feel it immediately radiating off of them.

[00:45:48] And the words that they say, you're like, you're like, wow, they, they sound like Jesus kind of, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, that's because we're, we worship Jesus.

[00:45:59] And so, um, you know, the goal is to look and, and sound more like him every day.

[00:46:06] And so, uh, yeah, yeah.

[00:46:08] Just talking, just talking to them.

[00:46:10] It was like, I was like, man, if you guys need anything, we're here for you.

[00:46:14] Like your family, it's crazy.

[00:46:17] Um, what a cool, what a cool thing.

[00:46:20] Um, yeah, it's hard, it's hard for me to wrap my head around sometimes.

[00:46:24] It was just like that with the Kyle too.

[00:46:27] When I met him, we didn't play guitar like the whole two, three hours he was here or something.

[00:46:32] We just kind of talked and it's just like, you can tell the word is written on somebody's heart because they are really, really truly in love with God and Jesus.

[00:46:41] And you're like, wow, he's got the word written on his heart.

[00:46:44] I don't know how long he's been a believer, but dang, it looks like his whole life, but it's just probably not true.

[00:46:49] But that's the power of the Holy Spirit.

[00:46:51] It's like, you know, I've met people that just like, they met Jesus in the AA program and they were just never the same man.

[00:46:59] They just like, were happy.

[00:47:01] They were just like, they had a God moment.

[00:47:04] And, uh, there's so many stories.

[00:47:05] I like looking those up on YouTube.

[00:47:07] A lot of just people, a lot of them are near death experiences where they just didn't realize Jesus was there for them.

[00:47:14] And, uh, but a lot of them were just people breaking down, crying and saying, God, I need you.

[00:47:19] And this is not working.

[00:47:21] I'm not, I cannot manage my own life.

[00:47:23] I can't master my own life.

[00:47:25] I need you to take this away from me.

[00:47:28] And this feeling of depression, suicidality, anxiety, I'm going to end up dying from it.

[00:47:35] It's just a matter of time.

[00:47:37] And then people use substances to just numb all of those things too, because it's really, and I just know that's what I was doing.

[00:47:43] I was self-medicating with those things.

[00:47:45] But the power of the Holy Spirit is something way beyond anything that we can do in the external.

[00:47:52] You know, like we can't really, we can't really, I mean, we can exercise, we can eat right and whatnot.

[00:47:58] But, um, you know, there's nothing external that we're going to do to ourselves to take care of this mortal problem that we have, which is sin is, you know, the wages of sin is death.

[00:48:08] There's nothing we can do externally for ourselves.

[00:48:11] And that's the beautiful part about the gospel.

[00:48:14] Um, so, but, uh, yeah, I didn't really, I didn't really celebrate, uh, Yom Kippur this last weekend.

[00:48:21] I just, I just wanted to observe a Sabbath for once and just kind of like, you know, look at it and be like, okay, you know, there was a lot of feasts you could go to.

[00:48:30] You paid some money to go to a nice dinner that they would do.

[00:48:33] And there's a, there's actually a whole, uh, you know, maybe I'm thinking of the Passover meal, but there's a whole way of eating and in different things that you eat.

[00:48:42] There's like a lamb hock on there or a lamb chob that you eat.

[00:48:46] And it's barely got any meat on the bone, honestly.

[00:48:48] And it's all symbolic for certain things.

[00:48:51] Um, but what's coming up this, this next weekend is, uh,

[00:48:56] Sokova.

[00:48:57] So, yeah.

[00:48:58] Yeah.

[00:48:58] And that's just a time for, uh, you know, reflection after this time of atonement, not only a week later, man, we're doing another feast or another, uh, Sabbath, which is.

[00:49:12] Okay.

[00:49:13] Now that you've cleansed yourself and you've, uh, you've, you've done atonement the day, the atonement for your sins.

[00:49:20] And you've spent those, those holy days with God and ask for a new year and a new life.

[00:49:25] Now a whole week later, you get to just sit in it.

[00:49:30] You know, you get to sit in it after a whole week of being like, wow, you know, do I feel forgiven?

[00:49:36] You know, just like meditating on it.

[00:49:37] And then Sokova is actually the time where it's like, yes, now we get to relax and we get to have fun.

[00:49:43] And we get to eat, you know, and just, and just realize this is like Thanksgiving for it.

[00:49:47] Yeah.

[00:49:48] Celebrate, celebrate this last, this last feast that we just had and realize, thank you, God.

[00:49:53] And it's all about Thanksgiving to God.

[00:49:55] And, uh, I know, I know Cornerstone is going to be doing it with, uh, In-N-Out Burger is going to be coming to their place.

[00:50:02] And that's a tradition they've been doing for a while because they're observing Sokova.

[00:50:05] So, but yes, it's a lot of other things involved also where they have, uh, you know, different things for kids to play with like a bouncy house or different games that they play there too.

[00:50:17] And then they have some, they have some speakers, uh, preach some words on Sokova, um, and what Sokova is and, and things like that.

[00:50:25] And just like, think of all the people that never even thought about the joy and the, um, you know, just the benefits of celebrating the things.

[00:50:33] Like, it's like seven feasts that God, that God, and we can't, and we can't even keep one of them.

[00:50:41] And imagine how that's going to look when you meet them.

[00:50:43] It's just like, Oh, I didn't really care about it.

[00:50:44] I thought that was Jewish stuff.

[00:50:46] And God's like, yeah, it's also like about knowing me further.

[00:50:51] Yeah.

[00:50:51] Yeah.

[00:50:51] It seems like, it seems like, I don't know if this is true or not, but it feels like something that I, just from what I've seen from the, the feasts is God taught the Jewish people.

[00:51:03] How to do these things.

[00:51:05] Cause it seems like this is what heaven could be like.

[00:51:09] This is what he, this is what God likes to do.

[00:51:12] He loves gathering the family and celebrating together.

[00:51:16] And, and, you know, in heaven, we could, uh, just be together and be with our father.

[00:51:22] And it, and it's almost like he's teaching us how to do these things.

[00:51:27] He's teaching us, uh, the things that pleases him.

[00:51:31] And God is so pleased by having his children together, celebrating, um, you know, uh, being together, dancing, worshiping, like having fun.

[00:51:43] Like our God is fun too.

[00:51:45] Um, and, uh, so that's why I, I, that's what I see with these feasts as well.

[00:51:51] And, um, real, real quick, I was, um, I was just reading like what Aaron had to do during this Yom Kippur.

[00:52:01] And, uh, I just wanted to read it real quick.

[00:52:04] Uh, it says, uh, before entering the tabernacle, Aaron was to bathe and put on special garments, then sacrifice a bull for a sin offering for a sin offering for himself and his family.

[00:52:16] The blood of the bull was to be sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant.

[00:52:20] Then Aaron was to bring two goats, one to be sacrificed because of the unclean, uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins had been.

[00:52:29] And its blood was sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant.

[00:52:31] The other goat was used as a scapegoat.

[00:52:34] Like you were talking, Aaron placed his hands on its head, confessed over it, the rebellion and wickedness of the Israelites and sent the goat out with an, with an appointed man.

[00:52:45] Who released it into the wilderness.

[00:52:47] The goat carried on itself, all the sins of the people, which were forgiven for another year.

[00:52:52] And, um, so that, yeah, really interesting.

[00:52:55] Like all the stuff that they had to go through to just do this.

[00:52:58] And one thing that I think we forget, and I think in American Christianity is we abuse is all, you know, all the religious tasks that the Jewish people had to achieve.

[00:53:16] In order to, um, you know, uh, please God or, or be in his presence or, uh, you know, to atone for our sins.

[00:53:28] And now it's just, it's, it's simple.

[00:53:31] It's so simple now.

[00:53:33] And I think we abuse that.

[00:53:34] And I was just thinking, you know, last weekend thinking reading, I was reading in Leviticus of what all Aaron had to do.

[00:53:41] Um, and it's like, man, do we take for granted the, uh, the, um, the opportunity that we have and the, how, you know, scripture says that with boldness and confidence, we can approach God.

[00:53:58] It's like, this is like, that would be so foreign to some of these old Testament Jews, or they would, they would just die to be able to have that opportunity.

[00:54:09] That we can just, we can, you know, we can, we can repent and believe in Jesus.

[00:54:16] And that's, you know, salvation simple at the end of the day, um, for, for everybody.

[00:54:23] And, you know, how many people aren't taking that, um, taking that, that door that's open.

[00:54:30] And it's like, because of Jesus, it's so simple now.

[00:54:33] And we don't have to do so many of these religious tasks and these, uh, you know, we don't have to, you know, do all these, uh, you know, difficult and strenuous things.

[00:54:46] Um, you know, God has made it so simple for us now, um, because through, and so, um, I just felt like I was feeling very grateful last week for, you know, that I can have a relationship.

[00:55:00] I have access to Yahweh because of Jesus.

[00:55:05] Um, and men, just so many people in the old Testament would just probably wouldn't even be able to comprehend that.

[00:55:12] But also, uh, you know, but also like they would just, they would just be like, what that's mind blowing.

[00:55:19] That's the most unbelievable thing that we, you have you yourself, like God lives in you, like through you.

[00:55:25] Um, you know, this is so, I think we just take a grant and take, uh, take it for granted.

[00:55:31] What, what we have now and the access that we have.

[00:55:36] Yeah.

[00:55:38] And I think the biggest question they would have for that would be, how is that possible?

[00:55:44] And then, you know, or how can that be that you have direct contact with God?

[00:55:50] Because they had to go to the priests if they needed anything special done.

[00:55:54] You know, they had to have the priest sacrifice the animal for him.

[00:55:56] They weren't allowed to do it.

[00:55:57] The Levites, Aaron's, Aaron's, uh, you know, bloodline was the Levites.

[00:56:02] They took care of all that.

[00:56:03] Um, like you said, he was doing the, the goat slaughtering and stuff.

[00:56:08] So Levites were in charge of that and they all had different jobs, but just like, how is that possible?

[00:56:16] There's no way that's possible.

[00:56:18] How did God make that possible?

[00:56:20] Because we're still struggling and every year we have to do this every year.

[00:56:24] We have to come back and do this.

[00:56:25] And then, you know, but I think it's just a testimony to how much, you know, we should be looking forward to these holidays because there's only seven of them.

[00:56:36] But then God's grace has given us a Sabbath every single six days.

[00:56:41] We have a seventh day that we rest on.

[00:56:43] So it's like, you know, for however many weeks we have in a year, 72 or something like that.

[00:56:49] It's like, man, that's not a lot, you know, but 72 Sabbaths.

[00:56:54] And then in between we have special Sabbaths that just kind of take over those regular Sabbaths we would have had.

[00:57:01] We would, we're going to do these feasts and stuff.

[00:57:03] And it's just like, man, I don't think anybody has really even tapped in because the Messianic movement where you bring Christ into these feasts and you recognize the cross references and stuff.

[00:57:13] But this hasn't known, this has only been going on since like the 70s and 80s.

[00:57:18] Like the Messianic movement is pretty, pretty young.

[00:57:21] But in general, it was always, you know, the Jewish people celebrated Hanukkah.

[00:57:25] The Christians celebrated Christmas.

[00:57:27] You know, they don't eat pork.

[00:57:29] It's okay to eat pork now for the Christians.

[00:57:31] And it's, you know, been like the devil.

[00:57:34] That's the big devil's biggest goal right there is just keep us divided and realize they don't understand what they have.

[00:57:41] I can't ever have them figure out what they have.

[00:57:43] Which is one new man under Messiah, Jew and Gentile, one new man in Messiah, one flesh under Messiah, and one body.

[00:57:54] You know, and we're going to, I'm going to have them believe that there's like different body parts, but they all worship the same God, but they're not together.

[00:58:01] Like imagine just seeing a bunch of body parts on the ground.

[00:58:04] They can't, they can't do anything together.

[00:58:07] Like they're, they're useless.

[00:58:08] They just rot basically.

[00:58:09] Like your brain is disconnected from the rest of your body or something.

[00:58:13] Like, yeah, it's nothing.

[00:58:14] Everything's dead.

[00:58:15] You know, the body of God followers of Yahweh worshipers is just wounded.

[00:58:22] And I think this is God's whole plan throughout the Old Testament.

[00:58:25] You go from the beginning to the end of the Bible.

[00:58:27] And it's like, this whole plan was to bring everyone under one tent.

[00:58:32] And when it talks about Jerusalem and he says, and Jesus says, there's, there's another, there's another flock of sheep that I have yet to go to, but they're going to come into the fold also.

[00:58:43] And the disciples were like, what?

[00:58:46] What are you talking about?

[00:58:47] It's like, first I came to the Jews and then I'm going to go to the Gentiles and they're going to be accepted also.

[00:58:52] Like he even prophesied, this is, this is my plan.

[00:58:55] You know, after I resurrect, it's going to go to the Gentiles.

[00:58:59] And then, you know, he used Paul for that very, very purpose.

[00:59:02] You know, he's very meticulous in everything he said.

[00:59:05] You know, none of these words are ever haphazard and they're always, they always return to him and accomplish.

[00:59:10] So, yeah, you know, just really, really amazing things to meditate on guys.

[00:59:16] And, you know, it didn't really get too much into the feast, but that's not really, it's not really a lot of details on it.

[00:59:22] That's just exactly all there is to it, you know.

[00:59:25] Yeah.

[00:59:26] We could talk about the COVID the other week or something, but that's where we want to talk about it.

[00:59:31] I think we talked about both of them last year too, a little bit also.

[00:59:36] So if you guys can find that episode, you might, might be able to get some more information on that.

[00:59:42] Isaiah Israel, thank you so much for commenting, for listening, man.

[00:59:46] Appreciate you joining us.

[00:59:50] Welcome, dude.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] Thanks for listening.

[00:59:52] We're about out of time.

[00:59:55] As this always happens, we run out of time and somehow the Holy Spirit keeps,

[01:00:00] keeps us going.

[01:00:01] I'm always so worried that we won't have enough to talk about.

[01:00:04] And then almost every episode, man, we didn't even scratch the surface really.

[01:00:10] There's no, yeah, there's no way.

[01:00:14] But we love you guys.

[01:00:16] Thank you so much for tuning in.

[01:00:17] Thank you for watching.

[01:00:18] Thank you for listening online, wherever you are.

[01:00:24] Thank you.

[01:00:24] I'm so excited to be doing this every week, but we are out of time.

[01:00:29] And so we usually end our show with a prayer.

[01:00:32] And yeah.

[01:00:34] And if you, I would also encourage you guys to, if you never have look up, what is Sukkot?

[01:00:41] and what does that Jewish holiday celebrate

[01:00:46] and why is it important to do those things?

[01:00:51] I'm actually going to go back and listen to our previous episodes also

[01:00:55] and be like, what did I know then?

[01:00:58] We're going to talk about that.

[01:01:01] We might have had a Sukkot episode last year.

[01:01:03] I can't remember.

[01:01:04] I think so.

[01:01:05] Yeah, I think we did.

[01:01:07] And Hanukkah.

[01:01:10] Hanukkah, yeah.

[01:01:10] Yeah, we did.

[01:01:12] That was a good episode.

[01:01:15] So love you guys.

[01:01:17] Thank you so much.

[01:01:18] Keep praying for us.

[01:01:18] Keep praying for us as a band.

[01:01:21] We finally – Kyle's our newest guitar player, so pray for him.

[01:01:27] Send him prayers and blessings.

[01:01:31] We're so excited to have you, buddy, if you're listening.

[01:01:35] Yeah, I think we got some exciting things coming in the future

[01:01:38] for Finding Neverland.

[01:01:39] So just keep praying for us.

[01:01:42] Keep supporting us, and we love you guys.

[01:01:44] Thank you so much.

[01:01:46] Yeah.

[01:01:48] I guess I'll say the prayer this time.

[01:01:50] I think it's my turn.

[01:01:50] So say a prayer, and then we'll get out of here.

[01:01:53] Hope you guys have a good weekend.

[01:01:55] Thank you.

[01:02:01] Father, thank you so much for tonight.

[01:02:04] You are just so wonderful.

[01:02:06] You're so lovely and exciting.

[01:02:11] You're just – you're full of fun and plans that are just – I just marvel at what you're doing with just me and Luke

[01:02:23] and just what we're seeing with what you're doing in the music industry and just in our state of Colorado.

[01:02:29] And we worship you.

[01:02:32] We love you.

[01:02:33] We thank you so much for speaking to us and giving us your word and sharing with us your plans and giving us grace and giving us mercy each week and each day.

[01:02:46] The Bible says your mercies are new every morning.

[01:02:51] And I just pray that people will search what is Yom Kippur and why you felt like these were important.

[01:03:04] And we just – we praise you for what you did to atone us for our sinful nature and our sinful ways, God.

[01:03:14] And so thankful for this simple option of salvation that you've given us.

[01:03:21] You've made it so simple for everybody to just repent, turn away from our evil ways, turn away from our sinful nature,

[01:03:28] and put our faith in your Son, Yeshua.

[01:03:32] And hear the gospel and just commit our lives to you, God.

[01:03:40] It's simple.

[01:03:41] It's not easy, but it is simple.

[01:03:42] And we thank you so much for just making that pathway easy for every person, for Jew and Gentile,

[01:03:50] that we can have a relationship and tap into having access to you, God.

[01:03:59] I mean, we don't even deserve it.

[01:04:01] We don't even deserve to have access to you.

[01:04:04] And you're so loving that you made it simple for us through Jesus.

[01:04:08] And we just thank you, God.

[01:04:09] Thank you, yeah.

[01:04:09] Yeah, I just think about Sukkot this weekend.

[01:04:15] And we just – I pray that as Christians, we will understand these Jewish feasts as examples for us as believers,

[01:04:25] that we need to spend this weekend with gratitude and thanksgiving to you.

[01:04:32] The Bible says that the thanksgiving is the will of God in our lives.

[01:04:37] And so I pray that every believer listening will just take a step back and have gratitude for what God,

[01:04:48] what you might have saved them from, what you're going to save us from,

[01:04:51] what you – your plans for our lives, that anybody listening, that God has plans for you,

[01:04:57] that he is – he hears your prayers, he sees your hurt and your struggles,

[01:05:04] and he's with you every step of the way.

[01:05:06] The Bible says that he is close to the brokenhearted.

[01:05:09] And so we know this.

[01:05:13] So I just – I pray that we will spend this weekend having gratitude,

[01:05:19] that we have a loving Father, a loving God that is behind us, that is sovereign,

[01:05:23] that is – has control over everything, even during this crazy election time,

[01:05:28] that we can put our faith in knowing that God is in control no matter what happens,

[01:05:33] and that we can put our faith in him because he is the same today, yesterday, and forever.

[01:05:40] And so I pray for that revelation to believers tonight.

[01:05:45] And God, we just thank you for what you're doing with the mental core scene.

[01:05:50] I pray for Luke and for Kyle and for Justice and our band,

[01:05:54] that they'll continue to follow you deeply.

[01:06:00] And I pray that you'll continue to show yourselves in the mental core scene

[01:06:03] and continue to live through us and speak through us and to us.

[01:06:09] And God, we are just so thankful for this opportunity tonight to share your word

[01:06:14] and to share what you have to say to viewers on Facebook and YouTube.

[01:06:21] So, Father, we love you.

[01:06:24] We bless you.

[01:06:24] Thank you so much for tonight.

[01:06:26] Thank you so much for your atonement and your redeeming characteristics

[01:06:34] and your endless forgiveness that you give to people.

[01:06:37] And we just love you and we thank you.

[01:06:41] In Jesus' name we pray.

[01:06:43] Amen.

[01:06:44] Amen.

[01:06:45] Thanks, brother.

[01:06:47] Yeah.

[01:06:49] You did me.

[01:06:51] Thanks, man.

[01:06:52] Thanks for listening.

[01:06:55] Isaiah.

[01:06:55] Isaiah, you said, he said, what's your take on Revelation 13?

[01:06:58] 9 to 10.

[01:06:59] I didn't see that.

[01:07:02] But maybe we can go over that next week.

[01:07:04] Appreciate you commenting, asking a question, man.

[01:07:07] Yeah.

[01:07:08] I'd probably be too long to get into right now, but I'm going to write that down.

[01:07:12] Yeah, we can talk about that next Friday night.

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[01:07:51] That's all we have for tonight.

[01:07:53] Hope you guys have a good weekend.

[01:07:55] Man, it's starting to snow up here.

[01:07:58] It is, dude.

[01:07:59] It already did.

[01:07:59] I was like, crap.

[01:08:01] I was just like, I was about to get on for the show.

[01:08:03] And I was like, oh, man, it's snowing.

[01:08:05] So, it's now.

[01:08:07] It has started.

[01:08:08] It's coming.

[01:08:09] It's going to be chilly.

[01:08:12] Yeah, man.

[01:08:13] So, stay warm.

[01:08:15] If you're in Colorado.

[01:08:17] Yeah.

[01:08:18] No crap.

[01:08:19] Yeah.

[01:08:20] Love you guys.

[01:08:21] Cool.

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[01:08:23] Thanks for tuning in.

[01:08:25] This is episode 57.

[01:08:26] We will see you next week.

[01:08:31] Sounds good, man.

[01:08:33] Awesome.

[01:08:33] Yeah.

[01:08:34] Later, guys.

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