Episode #42: "Where are you?" Genesis 3:9

[00:00:01] Thank you for listening to the Finding Neverland Podcast. Finding Neverland is a Christian Metalcore Band based in Denver, Colorado. This episode was broadcasted live. Welcome everybody. This is Episode 42 of the Finding Neverland Podcast. Awesome. Appreciate you guys being here. So super excited. Thank you for listening.

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[00:01:24] We had the original vocalist of Finding Neverland. Find Heath Weaver on last week. So that one's on YouTube now and Spotify and Apple Podcasts. So go check that one out. I think we really touched on some good stuff during that conversation.

[00:01:40] Got a lot of heat skids in the background, so that was a good time. Yeah, got a lot of good conversation. I kind of just kind of I thought that you wanted to touch on and yeah, a lot to say about it.

[00:01:56] And I really encourage people to go check that out because he had a lot of insight and we were able to run away for a whole hour. He didn't know if he was going to stay for five and 15 minutes

[00:02:08] and you know, it was good enough to where you wanted to touch on it for all our shows. I like that. Yeah, we had some good conversations. I wanted to touch more on like the old the original finding everland days.

[00:02:21] But we didn't get a chance, so maybe we'll have them on again and we'll kind of touch more on the music side rather than some of the theology side. I think that would be really cool episode. But yeah, good to see you, man.

[00:02:36] Tonight we're going to be sharing Genesis 3-9. So this is right after the fall of man, right after Adam and Eve sin. And so the Lord comes looking for Adam and he asks him in 3-9.

[00:02:56] He says then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, where are you? So we're going to chat on that a little bit tonight. See where that goes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that goes good. Yeah, it's a good scripture.

[00:03:15] I've been looking out that one this week, thinking about God and his pursuit towards us. And then also with Passover coming up on Monday night. Just a lot of good things happen in this weekend.

[00:03:33] A lot of the Lord reaching out to us and reminding us that he's after you. Yeah, a lot of good holidays that we don't really celebrate in the traditional church, Canaan, you know, that's service beef in our holidays.

[00:03:51] But I think we're missing out on a whole lot of good meat when we ignore God's holidays. God's celebration does not Jewish feast, you know, these are God's feats.

[00:04:04] The people who came, who left the Egypt with the Jews all the Egyptians who decided, I want to follow that God after he decimated the land. They followed the Jews and they wanted to choose traditions. They wanted God's traditions. So it's not a Jewish feast in God's feast.

[00:04:22] You want everybody who don't want to end his day. And as they're God to take hold of those things and remember, this is what I did in Egypt to lead you out of Egypt.

[00:04:34] And this is what I did to, you know, destroy the Egyptians so that they would finally let you go with Passover. And all the correlations it has with the Messiah and Jesus being the Messiah also when you take all these holidays.

[00:04:48] And you ask for yourself how could God have known because he's God, but you're looking, you know, 2000 years down the road and saying, wow, this feast means this. And it's still it's still applicable to the day, you know, in my personal life.

[00:05:03] And then also on a corporate level too, it's not just for the individual. It's for the individual, you know, for reflection, but it's also a time to come together, or for it. And I like that. I have an announcement that I want to announce on the podcast.

[00:05:21] And then Luke, if you have any other announcements, I don't know if we have anything else with the band. But really cool is that possibly we're still, we're still in the works. But there's a possibility that our podcast is going to be aired on a radio station.

[00:05:39] Starting June 1st or hopefully May 15th, I think they said, maybe around there. But I mean, Luke are really excited about it. A radio station in Tampa, Florida. Said they were interested in playing our show.

[00:06:00] I'm not, I guess I'm not going to say which radio station yet just because it's not for sure. But super exciting. It's a station that plays a lot of gospel teaching and things like that.

[00:06:13] I think it would be really cool. I think it's going to be exciting that these episodes are going to be available in the Florida area on a radio station. So again, God's just doing really cool stuff with our podcast and with the band.

[00:06:32] And we're really excited about that. We're still working on talking with them and the contract that they want to propose to us. So really cool, really exciting. Yes, amazing. Yeah, can you believe that that's a thing? That's a thing that God wants us to do.

[00:06:52] So we're excited about that. So hopefully if you live in the Tampa area, if you're in the Tampa area, you can listen to us on a radio station. But we love all you guys listening to us on the podcast at any time.

[00:07:07] This is cool. Hopefully that'll gross into something and see where that lands us. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, great things happening. Do you have any other announcements? I don't think anything really did. I mean, everything's big with God, but it's just so much, you know,

[00:07:29] I think if anybody looked at their lives and looked at all the times God blessed them. You know, there's a kind of see the downplay a lot of the things that we think happened because it's our own doing or you know,

[00:07:42] I did that effort. I put that effort into this and whatnot, but if you just said reflected for a moment, you realize you weren't capable of getting it to that level or you weren't capable of doing it in that exact way.

[00:07:55] And I think we have to be accredited to the God and everything that you know, when we do everything good, we do that we take it credit and everything better happens to us. God gets the blame in life.

[00:08:09] And so just to keep that perspective on everything I think, you know, we're just steady doing things. We're going to get together and do some from what picks to up here in the beautiful mountains and thanks to James or setting all that up with our new drama.

[00:08:28] He's going to join us and then, you know, we're going to get some more practicing done and just just hone our skills up for life play.

[00:08:36] And I mean, once that closer to meeting people in person and that's where it's really going to get a good crazy is going to kick off after that.

[00:08:44] You know, that's where the rubber meets the road and just can't wait to get out there and be part of society with the music again. Yeah, really cool. We got a photographer reached out to us wanted to take pictures and then now that we have a new member.

[00:08:59] I think it's overdue to get some some some band photos done. So it's pretty that for you got more practices coming up. So yeah, guys, stay tuned. Hopefully we'll be playing live here. Really, really soon. That's going to be really exciting.

[00:09:19] Yeah, I'm not sure about that. That's the one there will be there is a festival or something way out in July.

[00:09:27] I don't know if we signed up for it or no, first of all, in connection with them or not, but that was another thing on the horizon to go play. Think it was in another state though.

[00:09:40] Yeah, there's also so there's like two festivals that reached out to us and there was one in July and one in October, one in Arkansas. And it's a Christian nonprofit music festival where we just play for free, which I'm totally into doing.

[00:09:59] But both these festivals aren't even officially yet. So we're just a way to see if these are even happening. I think like nonprofit music festivals are a little difficult to get going. You got to find sponsorships and people to play and stuff.

[00:10:13] Some of these Christian festivals have hard time with getting getting things rolling, but it's really exciting that people are reaching out to us and wanting us to play on their their festivals. So hopefully we'll get more of that.

[00:10:29] Especially if we get more live shows going and we are, and then we're going to be on someone else's podcast. I'll count on that too right. Yeah, so I don't know if anybody listening listens to it's a Christian podcast called Backstage Access.

[00:10:54] I'll show you how to interview shout out to them. Go listen to their podcast. They interview Christian artists and musicians and all kinds of entertainment people. So they reached out to us, they're going to interview us also.

[00:11:11] So we've got about that announcement. That's another cool one is we're going to be interviewed on somebody else's podcast rather than just on ours. So that one's called Backstage Access.

[00:11:23] Thank you guys for reaching out to us and hopefully we'll be that episode will be out sometime in May. I believe. Nice. Well, go show this guy some love and stay tuned for that. Yeah. So cool. All right. So our topic is Genesis 3-9.

[00:11:46] Do you want to start off on that? Do you have any thoughts on this verse? Yeah, I can start off. Overall, I think it speaks to, of course, God being intimately involved with his creation and, you know,

[00:12:07] verse A before that, too. It says, they heard the voices, the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze. So the man is why it's hidden themselves from the presence of that one. I got among the trees in the garden.

[00:12:22] Then verse 9, and a night guy called to the man where are you? So this, you know, right away, this tells me this is like a normal thing for him to come down and walk in the garden.

[00:12:36] To meet with them and they knew this is a time he comes to the garden. You know, they had already prepared for it.

[00:12:44] It says that when they were naked in a shame, they, so big leaves to cover them to cover themselves because somehow their minds had told them that the nakedness was shameful and they had to cover themselves.

[00:12:57] So right away, they're prepared for God to come down and they're both, I think, the guilt and the shame.

[00:13:05] Of all of it is eating at them and they realize as soon as God comes down, it's like when day comes home, you know, you're getting a spanking, you know.

[00:13:14] And but they, they were going to try to hide from from God and it's just interesting that the first thing God says he calls to the man where are you? And it's not because we'd be foolish to think it's because he doesn't know where he is.

[00:13:30] But he wants the man to tell him where he is. He wants to know if the man knows where he is and, you know, it's interesting that he talks he calls to the man first.

[00:13:45] I think, you know, man man was given charge over Eve so he was ultimately responsible for her.

[00:13:52] So he didn't call to Eve who was all who was the first one to even eat the fruit. You think she would go, you think he would go to her and be like why have you, you know, done this and then why did you give it to your husband Adam you could you tricked him in eating and know it was a direct way to Adam it was where are you?

[00:14:11] I'm coming you first, you know, because you were supposed to be accountable and responsible to this and I think overall in our lives by definition. A man is responsible and that's by definition of a man is responsible and I think, you know, if we're not accountable.

[00:14:33] Unaccountability breeds your responsibility in life and then ultimately we are supposed to fulfill our roles as men, especially men of God and be the leaders in society. So if we can't. The accountable to ourselves and and other men and another women.

[00:14:54] It was supposed to be leading then how are we supposed to fulfill that role and I think that's where we're failing in society.

[00:15:00] You know, it's just we're all passing the blame to someone else because right the next few verses they start passing the blame to each other and then she passes the blame to the serpent.

[00:15:12] And it just goes down the line that's like, you know, if it's the woman who viewed to me and then she's like, well, it was a serpent who tricked me.

[00:15:18] And you know right away, she's she's only doing what she sees from him, you know, what she learns from Adam like, okay, well he's throwing me under the bus now I'm going to ask the blame on to the serpent because that's ultimately.

[00:15:29] And this is where, you know, our dichotomy finds itself between men and women and in our relationship towards God, I think. Yeah, I think, yeah, that's good. So the couple things I wanted to like touch on first of all.

[00:15:44] I was think about this is it's so funny when when God in the Bible asks a question it's like, here he knows the answer or it's like if God.

[00:15:55] Like asked something it's like it's like when he asks as he can he can these can these bones live it's like, yes God, I mean they can live if you say so like you're. You can do anything you want.

[00:16:09] So that's an interesting thing is like why does God ask questions like, where are you Adam? Why does he ask that when he already knows where Adam is and I think the big thing that I was thinking of is this is the first time that man and God are separated so this is the first time God is looking for

[00:16:41] where his creation is first time in existence right so. I think that's interesting too. This is the first time that question like that has ever been asked. Is he saying yeah, my my beloved creation where are you where'd you go? So that's interesting to think about.

[00:17:07] And then that's an interesting topic to think of also is that God didn't come for Eve he came for Adam.

[00:17:17] And so it's like yes this is like Adam is responsible for for Eve in her choice is not for or he was supposed to be leading Eve and telling her no.

[00:17:28] You know this is what God said and the serpent was able to trick her into thinking like hey the certain hey you know did God say that did he do that.

[00:17:38] So I think you're totally I always forget about that that God didn't come to Eve and condemn her he came to Adam and was like hey what happened. Which ultimately shows us that God has designed it in a way that.

[00:17:54] Men are supposed to be the leaders and we're supposed to be sharing what God is teaching to your wife and to your children. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:18:10] You know, you get all the stuff with the I mean I think that's always not meant for the man to be the spiritual leader and the physical leader in any scenario. Our relationship and especially in our society today we're failing miserably on teaching.

[00:18:32] Other men what it is to be the man and ultimately the women can't count on that they don't have any respect for it. You know other men don't have respect for it that are following.

[00:18:47] Correct way to conduct yourself as a man and you know just have a really chaotic thing that dynamic going on. Everybody just kind of has in the blame to their parents and every.

[00:19:04] Even Christians it's like when they'll take so many things out of context and say it was a generational curse that I have I call this. And you know, yeah but she still chose a drink that that beer you know, still chose the drink that.

[00:19:19] And then God's like no he still chose the fruit you know, it's basically what he's doing. Like he can't he can't fool got you know God will not be mocked but this is the beautiful part is.

[00:19:31] God comes down to in order to restore that relationship that for a moment was seemed lost and then they probably didn't know was possible because.

[00:19:44] Ultimately think about this you know got the soap and told them you will become like God you'll you know good and you will so in their minds they had just tried to become God.

[00:19:53] He's coming down he's going to kill them basically you know like you tried to become like me. You know, and what that means inside their human head so they're so I think they're so scared they don't really they know God.

[00:20:08] As far as they knew him in the garden but they didn't know him and this new state of mind which is no and good and evil feeling ashamed.

[00:20:18] Like something was off you know they had broken connection with God and God comes down for the sole purpose of restoring that connection and. You know ultimately he tells them in a next few verses that they're going to be punished for that for that disobedience.

[00:20:36] Throughout their lives you know men with the men will toil in the ground and break their backs and it won't yield anything to them.

[00:20:47] You know the ground will be hard and then the women will have pain and childbirth and it's all because it's going to be descended from you to but. The beautiful part is after these things.

[00:21:00] You know he says I need to find a verse here where so you know they they they they so the families for each other to cover their nakedness and this is man's I think it's just just man's first attempt at covering their sin and trying to.

[00:21:15] And then they physically hit from God and God was like I'm going to have to show you that how to how to do with this now. And. You know so good but got so after all these things God comes down. And there's a there's a part where he.

[00:21:38] And so this is the first animal skin for them to cover themselves. Yeah, and so this is the first animal sacrifice and this is God communicating to them that hey your coverings not going to be enough. You need my blood you need my covering I really like that.

[00:21:56] Yeah, that's yeah, oh here it is is yet totally and this is I was going to say is. And the only thing I do, the 71 in chapter three of the Genesis. At her now, God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and Claude them. So.

[00:22:18] Yes it's like something innocent had to die for them to be good with this skin of an animal. on account of their sin and their disobedience. The fig leaves weren't going to be enough. Gavas like I need, I'm gonna cover you with these skins.

[00:22:35] This is gonna be more sufficient for you. These leaves are going to rot and they're gonna fall, you know, they're not good enough. Gavas coming down. I'm gonna show you, and you gotta think about like this, up until this point there had been no death like this.

[00:22:51] There had been no, but it was a symbol of sin being, you know, the wages of sin being nothing but death. Then result of sin as death. And you think about like this, Adam was in charge, he discharged the naming all the animals

[00:23:07] that God brought to him, that he created. And so right away, this is one of Adam's kids basically, that he had named, that he, you know, by called by name and they came when he called them and he just liked their father.

[00:23:22] You know, he got killed one of Adam's kids basically to cover their sin into, so right away you think about those symbolism here and they're getting the picture where it has like yes, you know, this is how important it is

[00:23:41] and how detrimental that your sin has caused this, you because this is death, you know. But so the seriousness is not lost on God's graciousness and mercy at the same time. I think. I like also in, verse 22, it says the Lord God said,

[00:24:03] behold, the man has become like one of us to know good and evil. And now, less he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live forever. So it's interesting that, they've eaten the fruit and they sin,

[00:24:22] but God still gets the glory afterwards. And now they're, another clothe and righteousness essentially. Yeah, given a new, given a new direction and a new path to the walk I mean, they're not gonna be in the garden anymore. He's basically just taking things away from them

[00:24:45] and I think about like this, I've been told this before and I've naturally believe it. It was by God's grace and tremendous mercy that he did not allow them to eat from the tree of life because in our sinful condition.

[00:25:03] And then our broken decaying bodies that sin has brought upon the earth where we die and we grow old and our bodies are finite. Because you imagine living in that state for it. I think God was saying, I'm not gonna allow them to,

[00:25:23] they're going to die after a period of time and their suffering is not going to continue past this many hundred years or something. But they were to take from the tree of life. God is saying, look, I don't, that's just by his tremendous grace and mercy

[00:25:42] because you imagine just living in this body that is stricken by sin and disease and everything under the sun that was coming from that point forward. God was like, you can see later that this is why I didn't want you to eat from this still.

[00:26:03] That you're gonna die on this designing of this way for a reason. That's good. I also, I love this teaching on when the serpent is talking to Eve in verse four when he says you will not surely die.

[00:26:22] For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be open and you will be like God, knowing good and evil. And the funny thing is the way I've heard it and I think it's so good is that

[00:26:35] it says we were mating God's image. So we're already like God. So Satan is deceiving her identity and she's already, she's already mating God's image. Like she's already like, you don't need to earn anything else and I think that's a trick that we fall into

[00:26:55] as believers is our identity just gets attacked. Maybe by the enemy or by our own flesh and we forget that we're already his. Even if you sin or if you're falling back into sin into a perpetual sin,

[00:27:15] the enemy will tell you, oh, are you really saved by God or are you really doing this? Are you really Christian? Are you really, are you really his? Does he really love you? Because this is happening around you. Like your sin is still,

[00:27:30] and so I think that's a, that's attacked by the enemy is we get our identity attacked. And then we get separated from God because then we start, then our attention starts to focus towards that like, oh man, I need to make more money

[00:27:47] to be, because your identity becomes like your job or you know, or your marriage or your relationship and you start focusing your attention on that and making that your identity and then you get separated like in verse nine where God says, where are you?

[00:28:06] I think this is kind of like the believer's life as our identity, we start changing our identity. Like did God really say that I'm his beloved son? Did he really say I'm, I'm his like, we start to forget that

[00:28:23] and then we get separated in our relationship with God and so yeah, verse, verses four through nine I really relate to because you know whenever we put our attention in our identity and something else at the enemy might deceive you in

[00:28:40] or that you yourself mostly are deceiving yourself in. You know, he start putting our identity and other things and it separates us from our fellowship with God in our identity and Christ. So that's one thing I was thinking about

[00:28:56] with this, with these verses is like we get separated from God and our fellowship with him because we're folk our attention as elsewhere and maybe we're listening to other voices also. Yeah, that's one of the, you just said exactly what I'm going to do

[00:29:14] the most famous tell me, you know, listening to other voices because when you're saying that man's like, I know they knew the truth was there in the garden this entire time. And there's a tree of knowledge and good and evil and they knew not to touch it.

[00:29:29] But it was until the serpent told them about it and started talking to him about it and said, you can eat that. They didn't entertain it until that point. There was no, I'm not even going to talk about it. We're not going near that tree.

[00:29:42] You know, we're not going to, there's no desire for them to eat it until that desire was planted by the serpent in their minds. It was desirable to eat for knowledge. And even says that it was desirable. She saw that it was desirable and looked good

[00:30:01] and that it was desirable for making one wise. And so, and I'm not going to discount the fact that both Adam and Eve, I think ultimately it came down to them not wanting to disappoint one another because when you talk about, you know,

[00:30:16] listening to other people, you know, ultimately, you know, it had never been in their mind before the serpent put it in his mind. And then as soon as Eve brought it to Adam's mind, then I think he didn't really want to disappoint her

[00:30:32] and she wanted him to co-sign on that for her. And so it was kind of like a path that they went in. And it was like if we both do it, you know, within were both, you know, like I need somebody to fall back on here.

[00:30:47] Like can we, if we both do it, I guarantee you neither one of them would have done it by themselves. You know, so I think each one of them kind of decided to get it. Okay, if we both do this together, you know,

[00:31:01] then I'll go through with the devil, the serpent knew that that was going to take place. They're going to be that exchange of words about it. And ultimately you said this and another voice isn't enough. Yeah, it's just I don't know where I was going else with that.

[00:31:22] But you know, I just felt like, you know, right when you said that man knows like, yeah, it wasn't even on the table for them until a serpent started something I'm about to.

[00:31:31] Mind you, and just to be too, that it says Eve, this is so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, which is a warped thought, right? That's it. That's it. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

[00:31:44] And then also it says that it was pleasant to the eyes. Pleasant to her eyes. Yes. So it's like, how many times do we fall for? We start to desire because it's pleasant. It's like, it obviously we fall for so many things because it's pleasing to our eyes.

[00:31:59] It's pleasing to our flesh. And we start to lie to ourselves like, oh, this is good. You know, yeah, she goes lying to herself about food. You know, like, oh, it's good to eat. Yeah. When they give an every other person that verse, that's just so relatable

[00:32:19] in our in our own lives and our fleshly desires is like, oh, this looks good. Let's go this way. This is good for me. I think another thing that comes to mind is I guess like a call up the law of addition,

[00:32:38] especially in the believer's life where we've been sold a lie to, you know, we all we need to do is add things to our lives to make ourselves happier or better, you know, more joyful. We need to just add this or this and you just see it everywhere.

[00:32:57] That's all people are talking about is how they're adding this job to their life or they're adding this ministry to their life even in the Christian circle. They added all these people they led to the Lord. And it's like, I'm sorry.

[00:33:12] I think the message of the Bible and the message of the cross and the gospel is to take things away from your life. This should be a lot of subtraction. You're not going to gain anything in life by adding to it.

[00:33:27] You're not going to gain anything by adding a diet to your life. You're going to gain something by taking away the foods that you shouldn't be eating. You should think about it in that context, you know, we're adding a medication to your life or something.

[00:33:41] You're going to get it by subtracting the way you think, the way you add, the way you work out and exercise. So that's the lie we've been sold and obviously says, you know, if you got already knows that we need food and clothes and things like that.

[00:34:00] So if we see first the kingdom of God, all those things will be added to us. And so he's the only one that should add to our lives. You know, we're taking, we're trying to take that on that role like Adam and Eve did.

[00:34:11] We're trying to take that role and add to our lives all these worthless things there just leading us down at path of action. And most of them have sin the price tag is sin right on top of it. You know, and we still buy it.

[00:34:26] So, and it's a sin overall anyways to be trying to play God like that. So, you know, man, that's so good. Yeah, I was, man, because. How many even just. Christ followers are trying to grow there like their social media platform and their ministry and their church and.

[00:34:45] I keep meeting it all the time is is. People running churches are so worried about growing it. Instead of, you know, focusing on on the ones that already. Already the members are not there with everything's about, we got bigger, we got to be stronger.

[00:35:04] We got to have this, we got to look better. We got to have more lights. We got to have this, we got to have 10,000 followers and then 20,000 followers and then third, like. That's really good that you point that out.

[00:35:15] Well, it's in the, and it's in the name of. It's in the name of righteousness. I'm doing this for God or the men and like Eve was just like, oh, this is food. It's going to just, yeah, all of it because it's good to sustain me.

[00:35:29] So she's already lying to herself saying, it's food, you know? That's the reason of meeting it. You know, not this other stuff. Probably told that and the same thing. You know, this is one that we haven't tried.

[00:35:40] You know, what we're not supposed to eat that went I know, but you know, it's food. You know, and as for people who are doing now too, it's like, well, you know, what? You know, God wouldn't want me to, you know, grow followers or church.

[00:35:51] But we're just so deceived, I think a lot of us. And if you're not deceived, you might very well be, you don't think you're deceived, he probably are.

[00:36:01] If you could call it out, um, then this is a rare thing for you to be able to call out your own deception. But it's one thing to call it out, it's an interesting to actually do a one-y and, and, uh,

[00:36:15] take, you know, actual effort into going opposite direction with it because I think most people say, oh, well, you know? And that's kind of what Adam probably did to like, oh, well, you know, we're just, you know, what was the worst that could happen.

[00:36:30] And then they saw what the worst that could happen was, um, and we're in complete terror from that point forward. You know, yeah. So I think the lesson from this, these verses is that,

[00:36:44] seeing just separates us from God from our, it's very difficult to find a relationship with him, if you're indulging and indulging in things that are just, um, not from him that are, that are harming you. And, you know, we get so happy to do it.

[00:37:07] Yeah, and some people don't, you know, I don't think some people realize that's happening to them because they've been separated the entire time.

[00:37:16] And, um, so there's not going to be too much of a feeling of guilt or feeling like they're in that's where the devil is winning right there as people are so

[00:37:27] convinced that they are on the narrow path that he doesn't even really have to do anything but throw things in their face. You know, and say, this is what you should be doing. This is what you should be doing.

[00:37:41] And the whole time they're just, you know, getting with the fact that they're kind of, it's correct to code. You know, they've absolutely correct to code. They can live however they want to and still be a, a Christ follower.

[00:37:57] And it's still, you know, get along in society pretty well today, but I'm sorry, you know, there's going to be a day where the courts are ordering Christians to, to be a security in this country.

[00:38:10] It's been happening for thousands of years in other countries and still happens today and places like China and this gospel that people have given their lives for and continue to die for this word of God, the Bible, which is illegal in over a hundred countries I think.

[00:38:29] Still, you know, we should be very, very thankful that we even have this opportunity to, because I think it's not going to last much longer and then we'll see we didn't know what we had till it was gone.

[00:38:49] Yeah, you said something about, you know, Christ followers were thinking we can act any way we want.

[00:38:59] And I hear this from from one of my favorite pastors, John Bavieri talks a little he's pretty much his whole ministry is just on the fear of the Lord like we just do not have a fear of the Lord in our American Christian culture.

[00:39:17] You know, we're just and this is a term that me and Luke we use all the time on the show is holding your sin in one hand in your Savior and the other. And it just doesn't work you can't have to Jesus said you can't serve two masters.

[00:39:33] And so when I think of Adam after he sins there is this fear of the Lord when when God is looking for him it says that it like literally says.

[00:39:47] In verse 10 Adam says, I heard your voice in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself and so. And just in that verse I think we we should understand that God is. We need to have reverence for him like he's massive.

[00:40:09] You know, you're not supposed to be scared or afraid but there's this. Reverence that we just don't even have nowadays that that Adam had in this moment was like oh man I I've just I've been just I disobeyed the Lord you know.

[00:40:29] And he was afraid and so it's like Adam was literally afraid of God in this moment. And we don't have that in our in our culture at all. Yeah.

[00:40:46] I think that that would be one of the main arguments I think for a non believer or maybe even a believer but mainly non believers is the day feel like.

[00:40:58] They need to have a experience like Adam did in the garden with God before they'll ever believe in him or they'll ever obey him. And so until that happens they're not going to fear him either and I know in my own walk.

[00:41:16] And I know that I've also wondered you know the grace the graciousness of God coming down to the garden with them and putting hands on them you know directly and just thinking well why doesn't that why doesn't that happen to me or most of us in this life.

[00:41:36] And like I'm. You know but I think that's a good place to be as to be jealous of that and actually seek it. And then but my next question to actually have a hope out of it is is that a possible.

[00:41:51] Place I can get to my life where I do have to. People of a connection where it is I walk with God every single day so for me to break that connection.

[00:42:00] I do have that moment those moments where breaks my heart if I get into an argue or somebody or I call somebody a name or you know and then that car make that stays with me for a day or two where I can you know I'm going to pay for that now.

[00:42:17] You know ultimately the energy I've put out into and see you know verse guys set it up this way where you're going to receive the same energy back in a negative way.

[00:42:27] That you put out negatively if in most of the time this twice as bad is what you put it out to be it's just the way it is this you receive it back twice as bad you know then I'm going to get.

[00:42:38] You know in a row of rates you incident or something later you know those kinds of things but that's just really where I want to. You know go to with it is you know is it is possible to have that.

[00:42:52] That relationship with God is so intimate like that where even more so to break that fellowship is something that I'm tying so I'm trying to tie leaves together and hiding the garden.

[00:43:07] You know for you know what I've done that day or something you know if I was to turn against him and I think.

[00:43:14] That's what a lot of people I've struggled with it, you know where I did it's like I always want I was wanting God to come down and stop me for putting the bottle in my mouth you know trying to drink myself to death you know like I thought.

[00:43:27] You know and this is interesting to me that one of the pastors that older over there said the same thing. He said yeah I've spent a lot you know 20 something you're thinking the same exact thing thinking that.

[00:43:42] You know waiting for God to come and rescue me from myself and I found out you know it's not going to happen like that he's not going to do that for me and I had to actually ask him to save me.

[00:43:57] Ultimate you know not just for you know I could act however I want to and he was going to let me do it. And some of the most people. Their pride will not let them come to that point of saying well I should deserve that.

[00:44:12] I think it's worth that's really what you're doing with this is that pride.

[00:44:17] And even the devil is telling you why would you you know why he just doesn't want you to become like him he'll be it'd be like God you know the pride issue of like God will actually be managed you and jealous of you.

[00:44:33] And that was just the life from the pit of hell. It that's not God wasn't concerned whatsoever he's he's not have a identity complex you know like we do. Yeah so. Yeah it's thinking about. Thinking about what you said with.

[00:44:52] You know people are just like they need like an angel to kick down the door and say God wants to save you. And it's like one of the scariest thoughts is is. We have free will like God's gonna.

[00:45:06] One of the scariest things is God will let you disobey. You know we have to we have to make a choice to say.

[00:45:17] I'm going to repent I'm going to change the way I'm thinking I'm going to put my faith on the Bible that what the Bible says is true is the word of God. We have to make that choice.

[00:45:30] And also I was thinking like God is really really concerned with where our attention is. Where we're focused more than the sin that we committed. Right. So like in this in this example without him.

[00:45:53] He was he asked him you know who told you that you were naked like where did that come from? He was like I didn't tell you that being naked was bad. Who told you that?

[00:46:05] It was just something that once sin entered the world was like oh my gosh I'm naked. It was like God didn't even say that that was bad so.

[00:46:17] You know what was just it wasn't you and yeah it wasn't even like God was like what are you talking about like that wasn't even something that I told you. So it's like where is your attention? Who are you listening to?

[00:46:30] Rather than he didn't come and say you know Adam you did this like it was more of it was more of who are you listening to? Where is your attention? Where are you focused on? And like my example was. New year's Eve.

[00:46:48] I felt the Lord just be like I need your attention like your attention's not with me right now. And I felt God. Tell me to do a three day fast from food and social media and.

[00:47:04] Movies and I was just and I could just I just knew from when he told me you know I need your attention it was like it was like I could see a vision of.

[00:47:14] Of all these things are separating me from being able to hear from God and it felt like he was calling me. To spend three days with him in a fast so that I could hear him better and.

[00:47:26] That was an amazing revelation for me was was God was showing me hey your attention is elsewhere and I'm desperate I'm jealous for your attention like it was like. It's crazy to think that the God of all creation that's bigger than everything. The made everything.

[00:47:47] Is is so desperate for our own individual attention. Yeah, the best part about that man when you tell me is you didn't come up with that.

[00:47:57] You think I mean, does anybody think they you came up with I'm going to stop eating for three days and I'm going to get into the word for.

[00:48:05] I think that's not something that you're brain is you know say I'm going to do it like especially if nobody knows know is about it and you're not doing it for cloud or anything like that.

[00:48:18] If somebody's doing that, you know if they might have come up with themselves but ultimately. Our gods are our stomachs you know like Paul says. You know. You know we're not going to immediately just just go through that for our own.

[00:48:37] Suffering I guess you know so that was absolutely the whole spirit that caused you to go down that that row I mean.

[00:48:44] The Holy Spirit doesn't I mean the devil doesn't tell someone to fast he doesn't tell someone to go give that homeless guy a sandwich or go pray for that person. And absolutely our flesh doesn't tell us that either so. I know mine doesn't doesn't tell me to go.

[00:49:05] Help that person or share the gospel with this person because I ultimately don't want that uncomfortable moment of.

[00:49:14] Drawing that line in the sand kind of you're saying yeah actually this is what I believe and this is what you know and this is how it changed my life and I think ultimately you know you should you should know the same God that I know.

[00:49:28] And what they could open up as far as wounds that they might have or cut our relationship should off and it's just about actually being willing to go through that. And experience that possibility.

[00:49:44] You know even within brothers and Christ and sisters and Christ to tell someone hey I think you're. You know this is sinful and I think you're living in sand and I think you need to prepare for it that a lot of times that breaks relationships.

[00:49:59] They absolutely will not. Well not believe it they don't want to hear it and. Someone goes to someone and that and they actually go to them in love most of the time it doesn't work out that well for that friendship. It's very very rare that someone.

[00:50:17] Who has a spirit of God and there already know within themselves because the whole experience is conveying them and then for that person to tell him hey man.

[00:50:25] That's like the confirmation of like hey yeah you know God knows this person he told this person to tell me because he knows and I know that that's going to you know.

[00:50:36] Cost someone to actually repent and come back into the fold and that relationship with God is restored that way you know so it's all very very sensitive things. That we we trade and I guess it's just about praying for the strength and I shy away from the difficulty.

[00:50:56] And I know Northodox way of living in this fallen world. You know how they say if you look like the world something like it's much is probably wrong you know you should be in the world but not over the world as Jesus says.

[00:51:11] That's one of my favorite things that you ever told me. Was you know I hear a lot of people like I thought I felt I need to pray for the cashier at Starbucks or something.

[00:51:24] You know you hear people say that or even with me in my example almost like like it feels like the Holy Spirit's telling me I need to help this homeless person or whatever and I love that idea of you know it's well.

[00:51:42] Just not know for it's better to just be obedient to the Lord and not know if not know if it's from the Lord or not.

[00:51:51] And so it's like so that's my advice first of all if you think something is probably the Lord and you're not quite sure just do it like it's better to just be obedient then. To be disobedient I guess but also like you said.

[00:52:12] You really think the enemy is wanting you to help someone or pray for someone or. You know share your testimony somewhere or you know you know what I mean it's like we we we.

[00:52:28] I guess we we get so confused with with what we should be doing and we put our put so much pressure on ourselves and it's like.

[00:52:36] It's like the enemy is not doing not going to be doing that you're kind of just doing that to yourself you're confusing yourself.

[00:52:44] And these matters so it's like take a deep breath if you feel like the Holy Spirit is tugging tugging at you just do it you know you won't regret it so that's one of my favorite. Things that you put in my mind was.

[00:53:00] Is the enemy's not going to be is not going to tell you to go share the gospel with a cashier like it that's not going to happen. And my flesh isn't going to do it either he doesn't like.

[00:53:15] Like he said about confusion and what not we could fuse ourselves. I think you know in confusion. Devil you know with with Eve was just like I mean.

[00:53:29] I think with us for me is just like if you don't know don't go you know that's really what the devil wants to keep on a on a repeat on a last speaker if you don't know go don't go you don't know don't go and so nobody ever goes because they've gotten in that breath of like I don't know if that's what God wants me to do or God told me to do and you just have to be.

[00:53:49] Just as God is showing you the way and it's not going to be your flesh telling you do those things for God and to tell you to fast and things like that it's always spirit actually operating inside you but.

[00:54:04] You know it's the fear of not knowing that everybody has excuses we have. We have a slow of excuses for not doing what we know we should be doing and I think we think when we stand before God and we say.

[00:54:19] Anyone of any number those excuses that they're going to be sufficient because that's what many started it to is give excuses for why they ate the fruit.

[00:54:28] And then at the same time they're blank you know their people for it so you know not taking accountability for our own actions and also having a myriad of excuses for why we couldn't do that that day or why I couldn't.

[00:54:42] All that person and tell them about us thinking about them because they're going through a tough time or something.

[00:54:47] Just things like that you know I've known people that you know they it lost their parent you know somebody lost their loved one to suicide and not one of their friends that they thought were friends came and actually told them.

[00:55:04] So you know they felt better that they were going to be with them or something like that and I'm like. Wow and these are people that this is a secular situation to these aren't even believers but.

[00:55:16] I was just like wow you know that's how hard hard we are today or everybody was too busy for you then they were like yeah because it had been a week or something and they just admitted to me when I came to say hi to them you know and be with them that not one of their other.

[00:55:32] Supposedly friends that ever had even reached out to them I'm just like. You know that's that's that that hit a knee of evil and it hit a knee of selfishness I think.

[00:55:43] And then we kind of follow ourselves in other ways like thoughts and prayers and nobody's not prayers ever helped anybody. God God ultimately is the one who answers those prayers but your thoughts and prayers didn't help anybody.

[00:56:00] Yeah let's get that out of the way right now so let's just you know you're you're lying to yourself and everybody else.

[00:56:07] And wanting them to lie to you also then say yes yes we're all friends stuff and it's just one big life circle of lies you know like don't tell it like it really is hey have only you actually help the person.

[00:56:20] Yeah yeah that's my other advice to a lot of believers out there is stop saying.

[00:56:27] Stop typing thoughts and prayers it's like how about we be people of actual prayer like if somebody asks you for prayers like hey I'm going to call you on the phone and let's pray together right now let's do it like physically do it.

[00:56:39] I'm going to pray that's accurate your family member you know let's instead of being a people of thoughts and prayers generation let's let's be people of actually praying let's you know.

[00:56:49] That's one thing I've been trying to remember is if somebody's like hey can you pray for me this it's like it's like yeah let's do it right now let's pray right now let's be action based I mean you know I'm not just going to yeah I'll pray about you and my and my prayers tonight it's like because I probably won't like I won't remember exactly you know it's like and then in our thoughts are.

[00:57:13] I'm not saying help anybody but you are thought saying help in myself so why am I going to put you in my thoughts. My thoughts are evil. Yeah I thought they're evil and they're home in myself.

[00:57:24] Yeah so above all things it's just like so how much you wish you evil on someone. Because that's all your thoughts. You know on your heart from that.

[00:57:34] I don't think people realize it but that's all you know you're already thinking about like how it's going to inconvenience you to do this tonight to pray for somebody or something. It's just just sick but that's how we all are.

[00:57:46] But you know ultimately back in prayer up with action like you said do this like we're going to pray about this but if there's anything we can do physically but let's go and do that. Let's plan on doing it like it's meeting for lunch or something like that.

[00:57:57] And then again counseling and those types of things is just God wants us to be people of action. He wants to work through us and he's not going to work through your words.

[00:58:10] He's going to use your he's going to take your words into account but he's going to work through your actions. One thing I wanted to. We're almost almost through with our show but I wanted to.

[00:58:23] As I was looking through scripture I noticed we've talked about this on the show before but we see. Where it says in verse what is this 15 Genesis 3 15. It says he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel and I love that this is a.

[00:58:43] A prophetic act of Jesus that we see in the garden of Yosemite of Jesus stepping on the this snake in the garden. Yeah, I just think that's so cool one of the earlier one of the earliest.

[00:59:00] And I think that's a prophecy in the Bible of Jesus is in Genesis 3 15. Yeah, this is a and it gets kind of specific to this is.

[00:59:14] I will put an amosity between you and the woman in between your descended and heard us and then he will bruise your head and he will bruise his heel. He's talking about who's the descendant of the serpent is the antichrist.

[00:59:27] And the descendant of God is his son one and only son Jesus Christ the Messiah. And it says you know that he says my descendant or the man's descendant, you know, which is the Messiah will bruise your head, which is a which is a fatal blow.

[00:59:45] It would be hitting the head step on your head and you will bruise his heel, meaning you're only going to cause a flesh wound to him which is you know what happened on the cross.

[00:59:56] But I'm not proud because he causes a fatal blow to the plans of the devil and it's going to happen again. He's talking about his descended being the antichrist and in Revelation is talked about the ultimate battle and you know he doesn't he doesn't win.

[01:00:15] He doesn't win at the end. But he's telling you that this is Genesis, you know from from the surface from the beginning. He's always telling the serpent that telling the serpent looks forward to this. Yeah. That's basically, you know.

[01:00:37] Yeah, that's also I didn't even think of it that way. And in front of Adam and you too, being like okay, you guys listen listen to this. You know you're just standing in and so it's like yeah because you know and so in their company he's saying look.

[01:00:53] This is how bad that he's going to be punished for what he did. So you guys. Yeah, I'm going to punish you guys but watch you know you're going to use you guys to actually punish him eternally.

[01:01:04] And you can imagine Adam and Eve couldn't understand what he was talking about at the moment, but it was almost like guys taking his children and saying look. This is how I'm going to use you to actually. If the this serpent wish to see you. So.

[01:01:22] Amazing amazing. Amazing. Yeah, there's so much there's just so much to impact in this. In this in this chapter of Genesis so really cool that we got weed. That kind of came this week. But we are at a time.

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[01:03:08] Thank you so much for bringing us together to discuss your word or what she've done for us and continue to do for us. Thank you for the Holy Spirit and the wisdom and knowledge that we get to take your word and see how alive it is. It's breathing.

[01:03:29] And that you give it to us so that we can know you and know your plan for humanity and just ultimately. Your your plan for us in that history got that you look at us individually and want us to participate in. Your story.

[01:03:50] And this is how much you care about us after creation and ultimately. I just can't thank you enough. The devil is.

[01:04:08] He hates you got because he can't hurt you the only way he can hurt you is by hurting us to get to you and you have given us the tools and. The protection and power to be able to withstand this.

[01:04:24] And we just thank you for for all your grace and in mercy and love and just help us to keep. Manifesting in our lives and so that we can show others out of manifested in theirs and.

[01:04:43] If we share the gospel and share the love of your son Son Yeshua, how much he out Jesus the Messiah. We thank you. Amen. Thank you, brother. No problem. Good. Everybody. So again, this was episode 42 42 I can't believe we're already a close man on 50. Yeah, no. It's anniversary.

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