James Carnes is back! Join us as we unpack the realness of our God and Creator and how we should revere His holiness. How we should respond to the power of Jesus, the Son Of Almighty God!
[00:00:26] Thank you for listening to The Finding Neverland Podcast. Finding Neverland is a Christian Metalcore Band based in Denver, Colorado. This episode was broadcasted live. What is up dude? What's up man? Good to see you man. Good to see you again man. Yeah. Welcome everybody.
[00:02:18] It's good to be back. I took a little bit of break from the podcast, but Super, super excited to be on here tonight. This is the 47th episode of The Finding Neverland Podcast. Thank you guys for watching. I'm James Carns and I'm joined by Luke Weaver.
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[00:03:29] Watch us live. Follow us at Finding Neverland Band. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Yeah, we also, we have merch to at finding Neverland Band. BigCartel.com. So... Moichi guys. Yeah, thanks man. Just feeling really grateful tonight. Feeling like I'm excited to be back.
[00:03:58] I just wanted to first and foremost just share that. I'm just so thankful for you Luke, for this band, for the community, for the family that we've put together with the fans and with people that just support us, like we're still getting messages.
[00:04:16] I saw Adam and Harold messages last week and shout out to them. So I'm just, I'm just feel really excited. I'm glad to be back on here. I'm excited to be with you guys. I just love this community.
[00:04:32] I'm so thankful for what you always do with our show and with the band. And yeah, pretty much just excited to be here tonight. We're going to be talking on James 219. A little bit. Talk on that. Nice. Yeah. Do you have anything you want to share? Thank you.
[00:04:57] No, just to go to the backman. You're tired. I can go for an hour. I'm sure other people just like if it was just Utah. Can you be with us? Yeah. But even even just being us to all the time, we're probably getting boring. Nice.
[00:05:18] I've probably, uh, if we could have, right? You know, I think even just having both of us could get boring with some people we want to have a guest on the right now and probably. You know, but you see what it is.
[00:05:34] I think the word of yours is sufficient for what we talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you did a great job these last. I think those last three episodes go check them out. Luke really made some fire, fire comments just like really went through the Bible.
[00:05:57] So if you guys are listening for the first time go go check his last three up our last three episodes. They're really, really, really good, really rich with good stuff. I really appreciate of Luke doing that. Little announcement today.
[00:06:16] We had, um, backstage access podcast interview us and we share our story or testimony how the band began. And that was published today, finally, um, on Spotify. So that podcast is called just just call backstage access.
[00:06:35] I think if you just say that you'll find it, um, maybe I'll put the link in the description. I'll link at the bottom of this. But, um, yeah, if you guys want to hear a little bit more about some background stuff, some testimonials,
[00:06:46] finding every land and there are both our stories. Go check out those guys. Thank you to Tony and Scott for having us on and interviewing us and sharing, uh, sharing us on their platform. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. Good episode. What else we got? Anything else?
[00:07:16] I think that's it. Not really. I really think we're going to try and get a privacy in tomorrow. I don't know. Yeah. That would be the last time or, last time. Some of the talk to you definitely. I don't know how many other. Cool.
[00:07:37] Our internet connections going in and out as you per usual, but it's all good. It's all good. Thank you. But tonight, uh, this episode, I forget how it came to me.
[00:07:58] I don't remember if I just ended up, I was reading the book of James, maybe, but I just was like, oh, that would be a good topic. Let's, let's talk on that. Is James tonight. And the book of James is, I don't know.
[00:08:13] Some people say it was like added later on and it's like not supposed to be in the Bible. I don't know if I believe all that. But, um, yeah, I don't know much about that.
[00:08:32] You know, two nineteen is, uh, James says, you believe that there is one God. You do well, even the demons believe and trimple. So I kind of want to just talk on, I just wanted to talk on that of just, um, you know,
[00:08:53] you know, you know, I'm not calling out anybody. This is what I kind of did growing up and kind of did young in the faith was just believing God and that's kind of just where you stop.
[00:09:02] That's kind of where you just, you just kind of are you just. just believe in God and your good, you're going heaven. And that's kind of just like the belief of a lot of people in America.
[00:09:16] And I just feel like James is really, really cutting through that by kind of being snarky or just rude. But he's just like even the even demons believe in God, like how like that's like their faith is useless, right? They're not changing anybody's lives.
[00:09:39] Yeah, I'll let you share on that if you want to. You can go first. But just I really liked that verse because it just reminds me and it reminds me from, you know, I hear a lot of people like, oh well, I believe in God.
[00:09:55] It's like, oh, you know, that's that's a good start. But there's a, yeah, we're two at that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually heard like a description of the verse before where if you pick it apart,
[00:10:14] it's like yes, even the demons know God and they shut her because of his name. They know him and shut her. But these, it's telling us that they more than we do when it comes to how they react to her.
[00:10:24] God, we don't even, we don't even honor God with the fear demons have for them. And so he's making that point that human beings don't even have that reference towards him compared to the demons.
[00:10:38] They have more reference towards them in fear, towards him than he can do and how much of a reference that should be for us that you know, and yes, I think that devil would rather you think you know God and that's all you have to know.
[00:10:57] And he's making that point too. You know, you know that this is the God is one, you know, the one true God and good for you. He's being sarcastic.
[00:11:10] And you see, where you want to be, you know, this is where the fear is a lot of the more standing, you know. Yeah, I like how I think Maddie Montgomery was sharing one time was like American Christians
[00:11:25] viewed Jesus as kind of passive and meek and just kind of like a glorified boyfriend or glorified like just a friend that's there. And one of the things was he used this verse and was like, the demons look at Jesus differently than, you know, then yeah, America does,
[00:11:46] which is just, which is like a shame. And, you know, I, yeah, I kind of was, I kind of wasn't about too, you know, as a young kid and growing up. Like I said, like I just, you just kind of think that believing in God is enough.
[00:12:05] But when you think of, when you hear like, mark 115, repent and believe the gospel. Like that's Jesus's first words like in his ministry. He doesn't just say believe this is repent and believe. Right. Yeah. So that's that just brings food all over the place where Paul, I'm sorry.
[00:12:36] No, you're okay. Go ahead. You know, when Paul says faith without works is dead, it's just, all of that is the same. It means all going to the same direction that faith cannot have a power without repentance and action.
[00:12:54] So the works that you do to show your faith is what makes your faith actually powerful, you know, a weak no action. And it's kind of like, your first stop, you know, you can't go past that point. It's like the kickstarter.
[00:13:17] So you're going to, if you're going to leave for that repentance thing, you're already flowing yourself from that point forward. And that's like a daily thing. Yeah, I really think that it was coming an extreme example, but I think James was really just showing
[00:13:36] that belief, but not changing your behavior is vital or, you know, because we can have belief obviously. And we can know about God, but if our behavior is not changing, like the demons, they're not changing their behavior.
[00:13:58] They're not going to, they're not going to, you know, they're not going to have like, faith that's, that's going to help anybody. So yeah, I just, I think of a lot, people, I think people also twisted, faith without works is dead.
[00:14:19] Like, you know, like the Catholic Church really makes work, works, they've kind of flipped it. It's like, works shows that you have faith, or works equals faith and it's just like, that's not totally true either, like, you know, we need to have faith plus repentance, which produces salvation,
[00:14:42] which salvation produces good works. That's how I understand. Yes, yes. This issue is that I'm medically producing that fruit, I haven't really perceived that salvation. Or that, you know, he saved moment in the life where you actually do repent and return to so far, right guy.
[00:15:05] That's the first step, you know, it's like you can't have faith without works. And then also in the same sense, you can't have grace without truth. They can't exist independently another, I think this was 100% truth and also 100% grace.
[00:15:24] And, you know, that fact that doesn't make sense, but I'm just making using an extremely example of the Nai, the law stops this man from stoning the woman who was caught in a
[00:15:37] adultery. He said no actually, the law Moses is correct. Now which one he has been without sin going through the first stone? So he wasn't ignoring the law, he was actually saying, it's finished the action with the law for months, but which one of you has not
[00:15:56] sinned in their life? They also are dropping the stones one by one and walking away. And so fully-grouped and fully-graces to the wheat, you know, and no truth, the truth is
[00:16:10] kind of taking a back seat or it's all truth and no grace where no one is getting saved. That's not a salvation station as we speak, you know, nobody is being equipped to
[00:16:24] minister to people. It's all truth and that's all they know is in truth. You mean when you see God, you're going to say, but I knew all the truth that you had for me and he's like even
[00:16:34] the demon is know that even the devil knows my words. He knows that they want to never pass away what are you doing just focusing on something that's going to be eternal. Anyways, you know, in just making that your whole theology where you don't actually put into action
[00:16:50] this evil, you know, like the parable of the talents that we were taught. Where he went and buried his thing, it's like somebody who reads the word, get saved and then you'd hoard that for them to self-indesense. I'm good, I'm good, you know, and they don't ever
[00:17:06] spread that out to people that you can look for them. They're just miserable life, honestly. To see if you're thinking that you're actually in God's good grace, I think that there's whole churches, you get around people who want to tell you which one you're usually. So there's
[00:17:22] whole church is perpetrating that theology. Not even realizing it. The fruit here is not what I expect is, you know, it doesn't mesh what the apostles were doing in the new testament. You
[00:17:34] know, there's certain ways you can just kind of weed out, you know, what you want was to desire for your faith and you can find other like-minded believers that think that same way and it's
[00:17:45] able to say I think. Yeah, that's good. I kind of wanted to read like just like this first or maybe the whole chapter, maybe not the whole chapter, maybe a halfway of it starting at
[00:18:07] first 14 because it was- I really like a lot what James says here and we can kind of put into more context of what James was talking about I think. So okay, it's two 14 starting at verse 14.
[00:18:26] Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When you're already- I just love how the book of James starts with James, a bonds servant of God. Like it sounds like and I think even some translation say he's like a
[00:18:53] bad- God. It's like dang that's pretty metal. I know what the emotions of it so this isn't easy to run there right? This is- this is just that one of his disciples. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I think paired up with Peter and then Paul eventually came along.
[00:19:20] Yep. So verse 14 says, what does it profit my brother ran if someone says he has- he has faith but does not have works. Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is
[00:19:34] naked in destitute of daily food and one of you says to them, department piece be warmed and filled but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body. What does it profit?
[00:19:44] Thus also faith by itself if it does not have works as dead but some someone will say you have faith and I have works. Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.
[00:19:58] Verse 19 says, you believe that there is one God. You do well even the demons believe in tremble so that's the verse we're going over and then he says, but do you- do you want to know
[00:20:10] O foolish man that faith without works is dead? It was not Abraham or Father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar. Do you see that faith was working together with his
[00:20:23] works and by works faith was made perfect? In this scripture was fulfilled which says Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness and he was called the friend of God.
[00:20:37] You see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith only. Likewise was not Ray-hat Ray-hat that Harley also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way
[00:20:52] for as the body without the spirit is dead so faith without works is dead also and we'll stop there. Wow, I never did. Never let's part that last verse. Me either.
[00:21:10] I think that's really good because yeah without the spirit is dead and so faith without works is dead also I really enjoyed that man. Yeah that's such a big example you know that everybody can relate to saying yeah when
[00:21:28] someone dies or spirit is not within anymore the body is within more and it just shows how extreme this actually is but yeah you know it's like it's the action that Abraham took to go
[00:21:43] sacrifice his own son is only son. What going through with the members that faith it was credited because of the ags and just the inside believe you I'm going to do what you say
[00:22:00] and then not carrying it out to that extreme even though he probably believed I would resurrect him you know or something. Those were his face was strong and you know when people
[00:22:15] asked to hear a question is like what when people had died before Christ came and you know people that never about Christ before they died you know how is God going to treat them after
[00:22:28] this life and I can look at my assages like this in the state. Look it says Abraham is credited to him as righteousness you know um God verbers to himself is the God of Abraham Isaac
[00:22:42] and Jacob and it's keyword is the God of not what the God of as in they're dead and gone and in the past he's saying I'm the God of the living. I'm the God of these three men who are alive today
[00:22:59] in my presence they did not necessarily you know they moved on to be to be with me and haven't so he refers to me as a bit of that that is the patriarch basically just a man
[00:23:14] as you think that's interesting that he doesn't speak about things if they've passed you know it's like a present yeah present again I love how Jewish the new testament is like James is a
[00:23:28] Jewish man and talking and he's telling them stories that they all know so he's obviously talking to Jewish people so I really thought I find that interesting as well yeah this is exactly right
[00:23:50] I mean he's using the culture of the day to talk to people in certain parables like you know is here for if a camel could pass through the eye of a needle and for a first hand and to the
[00:24:06] kingdom of headed and so you take the camels that they knew all too well is the largest unclaimed animal in that part of the world it was the largest mammal that you couldn't even
[00:24:22] because it was not clean but they knew very well he knew how to remember the example that was and also when he talked about them performing acts that were not from like man in traditions
[00:24:37] he used the analogy of you know straining that at your wine because the wine was so sweet and that's what get in it and you had to strain the wine with your teeth and then spit the
[00:24:49] nuts out because nuts were considered unclean also he didn't want to just so you know he's taking he says you are you stringing that but swallow a camel basically saying you know the largest
[00:25:06] unclean animal and then the smallest unclean insect using those is an example to say look doing this to avoid just falling some bows but you're falling a whole can walk in the process
[00:25:20] you show me you know it's a proxy you know realizing yeah I get kind of it can be kind of confused like these verses confused me a little bit for a long time like the faith of that works
[00:25:35] his dead and it's like well that's like yeah I want to do good things but like how do we but like how do we not just like obsess over it and become performance based which is what a lot of
[00:25:47] people do me included I'm preaching to myself here but I think of I I really like that James use the example of Abraham because it wasn't like Abraham or it wasn't like God needed God like doubted
[00:26:08] Abraham like with who he was you know he was already you know using Abraham mightily but I think Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac was just evidence that his faith was that strong so it was more it
[00:26:23] wasn't more just like like Abraham's work works meant that he was you know for the Lord it was just evidence and so I think that's the big word that we might have to like emphasize tonight
[00:26:37] is his like your works should be evidence of a regenerated heart a repentant lifestyle a fellowship that you're building with God and I think I think the yeah I just I don't know
[00:26:57] that we're just evidence keeps popping up in my head like it should it works or more evidence than it is then it is like burning something or just like earning your way into heaven it's more
[00:27:13] just like showing the world I think of Matthew 516 like let your light shine before men so that your good works will glorify God you know Jesus shared about that so yeah I just wanted to kind of touch on you know it's more it's more like you know don't
[00:27:40] become so performance based to where like you think you're earning something or you have to earn God's love or something like that it should just be your faith if we're walking with God and fellowship like our works should just be evidence of our heart posture towards the Lord
[00:27:58] and that that was evidence with Abraham yeah I think to a two minute when you had King Dave dancing before the Lord when the arch of the covenant entered the city dancing around and I think one of his wives was even looking at him and I'm embarrassed about
[00:28:23] it and saying look at him he's he's what a fool he looks so full of it because he ripped off his role in his tuning outside the public the arch you know just just just moving and everything
[00:28:42] was like look he's lost it you know because King's wouldn't do that this thing yeah that the heat dripping off my room my royal robe is like casting my crown down before God you know
[00:28:58] as a king my robe you know my conquering rope trained I have it's gonna come off now because it's time to worship worship the Lord this is a beautiful picture for me too I just saw that
[00:29:11] the O&F here something they were talking about him dancing around but yeah that he's like putting his faith in God into visible action like his worship is actually his worship is evidence
[00:29:33] faith I suppose and everybody else was lying that's too much and you can imagine they probably feel guilty from seeing him so joyful just the argument everyone else didn't have the same reaction
[00:29:48] they were like what's the big deal you know and the mister that he stood you know it would he wanted to do it it didn't matter what people thought about them and that goes like doing his podcast
[00:30:02] music uh practice them one another that I care and what people think about everything we do how we look how we sound because usually we're a lot of people get off I don't
[00:30:14] like having a sound or uh what if I don't have a lot to say you probably have something to share it you know God wants you to give you your neighbor or whatever and so not to ever if we
[00:30:27] place shows again that's be worried about oh my gosh I hope we look good that's exactly the wrong attitude to have so yeah no that's just your faith and all that great yeah that's great example I think of like just all the different denominations within the Christian
[00:30:50] sector of how everybody wants to worship differently it's like you know it's like some churches want flags and just you know oil everywhere and throwing stuff and you know everybody's jumping up and down to music and but some churches you'll go if you like raise your hand your
[00:31:08] a psycho or like it it's like what are you crazy you know stand there with your hands in your pockets and make sure that you know you show reverence to God by just being kind of miserable
[00:31:21] or looking at like so I just like yeah I think of you know everybody I think that's how a lot of like denominations are is just you know we have like you know people want to
[00:31:36] worship differently or you know people just you know they want to do only church like two hours and it's like really separated people because they're like we don't want we don't want
[00:31:48] people jumping up and down and giving everything to the Lord at this church like you know stand there and wear a suit and tie and just be miserable um so yeah I don't know where I was going with that
[00:32:00] but you kind of just like maybe think of think of that just the different ways that we can we can worship but I I love that example I think I think we should all you know take you know it says
[00:32:12] David was a man after God's own heart and so you know he was just he just didn't care what people thought even like even his lady um you know it takes a lot of courage to do that
[00:32:30] yeah I think you it's really yeah it's unfortunate this usually the problem usually people don't give a crap about other people that much usually it's your own family members they're going to be
[00:32:47] like what are you doing man you know they'll be the first ones to make you feel bad about it or try to bring you back down to their level because conscious subconsciously they're feeling guilty
[00:32:59] that they're not that excited about God or things like this so they kind of resent it and it comes out and those things like why are you doing this oh that's overdoing it you know you're going
[00:33:11] you're going to church three times a week or something and they actually kind of chest eyes you for it and that's like you know the spirit of the spirit of the devil honestly working in those those
[00:33:22] words and they don't mean it that way absolutely a cry of insecurity I guess on their part when it comes as a spiritual faith it's like you'll see that all the time and it like I said it won't
[00:33:36] be from your world we friends it won't be from non-believers and they usually be people that believe I run like me enough they're going to be like you know they see you catching fire in any
[00:33:50] manner and they had to try to snuff it out or they got to try to be like well what's he doing he must be on drugs or something you know that's another thing you know accused of people of
[00:34:01] like if somebody's actually happy for a change what are they taking you know that kind of thing it's like how about a dose of this scripture in the morning and I work out and
[00:34:11] I'm prayer that to God for the whole experience and that's my first subscription for the day you know it's totally supernatural it has no negative side of things unlike all the medications
[00:34:25] we create out of you know plants and different things like that drugs so that's right yeah I remember for today you know they were they were the band they were constantly told by like record labels
[00:34:44] and people and like you guys need a tone of down you know like it's cool they're Christian but and this is like Christian labels telling them this you know like that's that's interesting to
[00:34:57] me that in the music scene you can be too Christian you can be too much of fire for like they were they told they were talking about a story about how a Christian label like denied them
[00:35:12] because they were too biblical apparently so yeah oh yeah yes or yeah you know the believers you know that's a tactic of the enemy is is just you know saying like yeah it's cool to say
[00:35:27] your Christian but once you're doing too much once you like define Jesus too much or once you're once you're totally so loud on him then you know then that's that's a problem oh yeah
[00:35:41] you know I think it goes along lines of like you can tell people you can save the name of Jesus as much as you want but he better as long as you don't talk about what he did
[00:35:51] and his sacrifice and went in meant for us but tell what doesn't care one way or another if you say you know you know God or you know Jesus but you start delving into the actual reason Jesus is important
[00:36:04] then yeah it's actually this one alarms go off and you're gonna run into interference with that you know sharing anything more about the gospel then oh yeah I love Jesus I follow Jesus
[00:36:17] and if that's all you ever say to people that's kind of really want you to stop talking you know the deep down it's because it's gonna trigger something you know there was
[00:36:29] name and not wanting to receive the truth of the Holy Spirit but yeah as long as we treat Jesus like a like a Buddha just a good teacher nice guy then the world look okay with him exactly yeah
[00:36:48] you know we're really religion that offers true salvation from Morrison and evil that we've committed on on earth in our lifetime and you know close to anybody else gets to it is in light
[00:37:06] of the minute but it's all so if induced and very not even what's the word I'm looking for and very can't put your whole eggs in that basket so it's been you're just guessing
[00:37:21] and this and and uh Judeo Christian beliefs there's a whole lot of no guess for to be had you know and I think that's really evident for me like Eastern religions it's a whole it's a whole lot of
[00:37:36] you know conjuring up that said that belief whereas our belief is all written down it's all been acted out over you know thousands of years has been acted out and we just see the evidence
[00:37:49] of it being a breathing uh living document the Bible itself and then the church actually being such a force for bringing the kingdom of head and down to earth and you know just just the truth
[00:38:03] and all those things I think solidifies the belief in me you know that everything else is you know at least down the wipe head you know did to the structure. Oh that's good um but yeah I wanted to go over one
[00:38:23] more scripture verse um because we're kind of talking about we were talking about you know faith without works is dead but then there's also like a verse that says our works is like filthy rags
[00:38:42] so they're pretty much yeah God they're not like so there's this there's this element of like works is evidence of our faith but if we if we focus on our works and we make that like our
[00:39:00] idol God's like even the best you've done is still a filthy rag to me um so I kind of want to talk about that a little bit just I think that's so it's Isaiah in in Isaiah 60th. Oh Isaiah yeah
[00:39:21] if you want to flip there okay over that yeah for sure so yeah so the big thing with with a lot of religious activity is we start to make our works our idol namely like the Catholic church
[00:39:48] you know works is kind of just the the idol the the way that we've kind of earned our way into to have been but there's this verse in Isaiah that just really sticks out to me and it's 646 and he says
[00:40:06] but we are all like an unclean thing and all our righteousness are like filthy rags we all fade as a leaf and our iniquities like the wind have taken us away and there was no one who calls on
[00:40:19] your name who stirs himself up to to take hold of you for you have hidden your face face from us and have consumed us because of our iniquities so I just man I don't know that that that verse just
[00:40:34] really sticks with me because like the the imagery of like a filthy rag is just like I like picture like a bloody dirty rag yeah you know and I just I just think it's interesting that
[00:40:52] we can you know faith or our works is evidence of good faith but you know the Lord still says that our best efforts are still are tainted because we're you know they're tainted by sin and we still fall short of like you know God's perfect standard and so
[00:41:13] we have to be careful just making works our our idol and and making it feel like our and just being performance based and and living in a way that's idolizing our works as if it means something because God will really I think this this verse
[00:41:32] really will humble you and just make you remember that you know that compared to God our our our good deeds are filthy rag so I just just wanted to share on that what do you think about that?
[00:41:52] Well I mean just I think the real application of him saying menstrual rag because you know menstrual rays when your uh a woman is having her period and she uses rag like that yes as menstrual rays oh wow okay yeah um so this is using an analogy for
[00:42:17] bloody rags that they would use during their period and according to the law Moses of course you were you were supposed to dispose of it you know he threw it away because they didn't know about
[00:42:30] disease and pathogens like we do today but they were just following us on and just wouldn't keep it you wouldn't reuse it wash it or anything like that it got thrown into the rubbish and destroyed honestly probably you can fire because they knew to an extent probably the
[00:42:47] pathogens and sickness and infection could come from not you know reap not swapping out those rags over the course of a week if you kept the same rag they're it would get infected you
[00:43:00] we get you get sepsis blood poisoning and the disease are all things that God kind of would for her if they would you know just get retosted and so it's kind of saying
[00:43:13] this is what God does to your your disease that you think you're so holy you know they're discarded you know never to be looked at any kind of favor I guess you would say
[00:43:27] but uh I just like that last part it says it's pretty harsh but it says for you have hidden your face and caused our miss these to destroy us basically saying we're drawing ourselves it's not anything he's doing he's not even passing
[00:43:44] judgment our actual actions that we've chosen to take are going to affect this you know in a car make way we're going to be your page for those at fees that we put out into the into the world
[00:44:00] and so he's just like look you're not gonna be free from the consequences of your sin if you don't take hold of me you know you can be free from the guilt of this sin
[00:44:13] and the penalty but in message tag hold of me the consequences are going to be it's a beer is it would be naturally I think God does bear a lot of the consequences for a
[00:44:27] lot of our sins maybe don't realize it that we're not actually experiencing the full blood of our actions throughout our lifetime he actually does release the consequences for them just like the the when he said as no sin can cast alone on the woman who is kind of
[00:44:50] adultery he he released her of the penalty for the consequences over ashes in that moment the grace it's a bounding there you know as just a picture of that because I think that's what a lot of
[00:45:06] people think they have to experience the consequences as though yeah I always heard with like the woman up kind of adultery it was like the only the only one who's qualified to throw a stone
[00:45:18] chose not to yes yes and then this other part that I really love big pick it up part when it says they were all asking him should we should we follow the law of Moses and
[00:45:37] stone her or let her go and you know what would you say right by and he just just down it starts writing in the dirt with his finger and I've heard explanations of that
[00:45:56] because there's verses in Isaiah or some of the older books that say your names will be written in a dust basically it's almost like he's writing their names in the dust for later it's like
[00:46:12] you know and it's you show mercy and no mercy will make some to you also but it talks about how God will write their names in the dust those names that you know have been admitted
[00:46:27] in many with him their entire lives because even upon other people in the name of God you know that's the most of worst in God hates is actually trying to model righteousness but then
[00:46:43] perpetrated evil under that veil yeah and I think you look I'm in the right here it does and I just thought that's really interesting because if you think about it too you write
[00:46:57] somebody's name in the dust in a range or any wind comes by the name is erased or somebody walks on it enough it's gone you're not writing in cement you're not engraving it
[00:47:09] in God's hands like he says you are engraving upon my hands the pause of my hands written into the book life you know certain technologies like that say hey you're this is
[00:47:22] permanent and that what he was showing there if he was actually doing that was showing this is how temperor your lives are and you know how fleeting you know you don't even realize it you know
[00:47:35] man I like if you continue on in Isaiah verse eight says but now a Lord you are our father we are the clay and you are Potter and all we are the work of your hand so after saying all this like our
[00:47:55] deeds are like filthy rags everything that we do is because of the work of our father and so again it just kind of it just kind of fits that like our good deeds first all it points to you know we need to have repentance and humility with our
[00:48:18] with how we view our good deeds on on the surface it's like it's like he is the one that is performing he's the one that's you know saving people he's the one that's actually doing
[00:48:35] yeah he's the one that's actually should be glorified you know so just it just I don't know I just think I just think that verse really wraps up everything for this episode because it's it's like you
[00:48:49] know we we know our we know faith without works is dead but we also can't idolize our works because God sees them as filthy rags before him but you know right through his grace and through
[00:49:06] his mercy you know let your light shine before me so yeah definitely yeah if we still have 10 minutes yeah I had this other that thought to kind of do this this parable of the soar
[00:49:28] and talk about that for a short while and just kind of picked that apart when it comes dead talking about faith and you know where's it mean they have faith so I'll just just
[00:49:43] kind of re-reel quick um it's in uh it's in Matthew chapter 13 the first verse uh 13 Matthew chapter 13 one through verse 9 it says that same day Jesus went out of the house and sat down by
[00:50:02] the lake that's such a large crowd gathered around him they got into a boat and sat there while the crowd stood on the shore he told the many things in parables a farmer went out
[00:50:13] just so he's seen as he saw it some seed fell along the path and the birds came in aided up other seed fell on rocky patches where there was not much soil it's very quickly because the
[00:50:25] soil was shallow but when the sun had risen the unplants were scorched and since their roots were not deep they dried up other seed fell among thorns which grew up and choked the plants but
[00:50:38] others fell into rich soil and produced grain a hundred or sixty or three times as much as had been so those who have ears let them hear um he says that so many times after his parables
[00:50:54] and then going down to verse 18 he explains it um because they're like I don't understand he's like okay so listen to what the parable of the soil means and it's really was said for them it's like
[00:51:10] oh let's crazy you know he said how best are your eyes because they see and your ears because they hear yes indeed that's really the many a prophet and many uh a teacher long to see the things you
[00:51:22] are seeing but did not see them and to hear the things you're hearing but did not hear them basically telling them that if you get this you get this and even no more needed but so listen to what the parable
[00:51:33] of the soil means whoever hears the message about the kingdom but does not understand it is like the seeds so in along the path the evil one comes and ceases what was so in his heart
[00:51:46] the seeds so in on rocky ground is like the person who hears the message and accepts it would joy at once but has no roof in himself so he stays on for a while but as soon as some trouble
[00:52:00] or persecution arises on account of the message he immediately falls away now the seeds sewn among thorns stands for someone who hears the message but is choked by the worries of the world
[00:52:13] in the seed for glamour of what so it produces nothing however what was known on wrist soil is the one who hears the message and understands it such a person will surely bear fruit 800 or 60
[00:52:27] or 30 times what was so so that's yeah I think the parable of the sewer explained you know he pretty much goes through how many is that that fight like this is pretty much the
[00:52:46] types of Christians that better out there yeah I mean you know yeah yeah what was just saying that yeah it's talking about the seed that falls in the path being the one to hear the message
[00:53:03] but don't understand it may and they don't take hold of the truth and the crows come by and start eating the seeds that are just sitting on top of the path and it's devoured you know
[00:53:16] it has no chance of growing after them and speaking about people who don't believe and he uses the evil one as the catalyst for that destruction but uh man some of you his parables are similar like the one building your faith on a foundation of stone or sand
[00:53:38] making it out of a place there's something and if a great wing comes it will fall and great will that fall be yeah yeah he keeps Jesus keeps you know sharing
[00:53:53] on how many people and we see it all the time how many people are on fire or you know say their Christian and then walk away from the faith because maybe it like something happened
[00:54:08] I I'm really struck I don't know if it just preaches to me mostly but the part where he says um where was it now he who received seed among the thorns is he
[00:54:31] who hears the word and then the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word Eddie becomes unprovable that one really hits me hard you know he start you hear the word and then
[00:54:43] you know you get to you get to see you by other things you know riches of the world choke you know choke out your faith and like you know that's happened to me from time to time
[00:54:58] and right yeah I just and then you know I've seen you know many examples of people who you know a lot of you know okay I'll use the example there was a lot of you know
[00:55:14] Christian metal core bands back in the day that said they were Christian and then people persecuted them or or came after them for their faith and so they decided okay well we're
[00:55:24] just gonna change our our band to be positive or you know we're just gonna talk about hope instead you know it's because they didn't want to deal with the the persecution that came from because of the
[00:55:37] word like he like Jesus says and so a lot of those Christian metal core vocalists and bands you know had persecution come their way so they decided to stumble they started to drink and party and you know their band completely changed into a you know we're a positive
[00:55:56] we're gonna go against we're a positive mental health band instead of a Christian band and so you saw that a lot and Maddie Maddie Montgomery before today talked about that a lot was you know they had persecution come after them but they had you know they had
[00:56:13] they had a support system around them that helped them stay you know rooted in the word and stay and stay uh in not stumble and so I don't know that's just an example that I
[00:56:26] think of in the music scene yeah totally man I think you're right and I mean when you said positive and stuff that's so big that's such a big term even Jesus would say that's just a description
[00:56:43] of how you feel at the moment I was a realist I cried when Lazarus died and then went to resurrect him three days after four days after you didn't get hurt you know you he's like cognitive
[00:56:56] and negative or just perceptive perception you know so that's you are not even really saying much by saying oh we're up with you yeah but you know if you are drinking party and
[00:57:07] stuff on the side food what an example that is for someone who might be struggling with that and telling them it's okay to do it and everyone's in life you know people don't think about
[00:57:16] their actions so much if they're truly believers in their own heart even if they don't want to show it out uh in public which to be honest I think is a sin because you're you're holding on
[00:57:28] to the truth that could save somebody's life for eternity number one but then number two you're using your platform as an example to influence someone who might even know that you have those beliefs but you're not following in those beliefs you're actually doing the opposite
[00:57:46] of those things and saying look I'm a Christian I drink this I drink to excess I smoke or something you know you drugs and that's they're totally honest about it you're doing a great disservice
[00:58:02] to the kingdom honestly you know it's like hate that name off of hate that a Christian descriptor often you're named and I guess that's what you're saying is they knew that they couldn't
[00:58:14] have that name and let me of legitimate so they changed their whole outlook to positive or to something that means nothing in the grand scheme of things you know uh or my people say I'm spiritual
[00:58:29] didn't say anything there didn't say anything me that has no weight to it whatsoever you know that moral over there is spiritual you know it's over there waiting on a nut praying for that
[00:58:44] nut to fall at the tree there's not we got a hummingbird up here man that he purchased up on top of this pine tree and says they're all day long that's his spot and I can hear his buddies flying around
[00:58:58] buzzing and buzzing and buzzing and you know that's his I forgot why I was using the same but I was like yeah you know he's spiritual yeah he's got a face like this that's a spiritual thing
[00:59:17] yeah you're right though I mean we've I mean that's a tactic of the enemy again is to just kind of change the gospel until like a big positive uplifting Christian radio style thing and it's
[00:59:31] because it doesn't hold anyway it's not changing any lives and that's what you know that's what the enemy wants you know you can be a Christian but you know once you once you're sharing the gospel
[00:59:42] with people that's really gonna hold some weight on people in their heart and transform them into the likeness of Christ you know that changes lives not not being positive not talking just not just focusing on mental health and things like that and just being spiritual but
[01:00:04] the gospel although it can be offensive to people it is truly life changing so amen and do I create that? Cool so we're running out of time but love you man this is a good
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[01:01:35] yeah and then we'll see you guys next week work. Thank you for bringing us together for a moment of your word and the description as you want to understand from these scriptures just unpack it
[01:01:56] my go living document more um it just comes 3D when we you know when two or more are gathered there you are within it's just not a pre-welcome sorry not a prerequisite to connecting with you but the power that comes from being in fellowship amplifies to the 10th
[01:02:19] power our endeavors can know you and see you and you would have a knowing the way God to have a community of believers working together and looking what another um as much as they love
[01:02:33] themselves learning to love themselves more in the first place so they can show it to others and then also showing that love to people who don't believe so to stand by scant process in
[01:02:44] the way and you just prepare your race and mercy and our endeavors Lord then you uh you know help us along our way and when we stumble you you pick us up and you carry us and teach us how to do that
[01:03:01] for each other or the pair of each other's burdens um as brothers and sisters in in Christ um we want to please you guys be what we love you um we just want to please you with everything that
[01:03:18] we do so show us where we might be misdepping and um you know our trespasses forgive us for those as we forgive those who trespass against us um it's it's just it's the it's the key to freedom
[01:03:35] um if we just take hold of that God to let it all fall away and let it all fall on you and we laid it to the front of the cross that he hung from and blend and died for our sins
[01:03:51] but in water came out of the side uh the clans and cover us for iniquity and greatest just give us a strength to lay every single thought and take it captive and put it at the foot of
[01:04:05] the cross where it belongs crucified with Christ and also help us pick up our own crucifixion stake and follow him God no matter how hard it may be sometimes thank you for always being with
[01:04:21] and giving us a strength to carry on and I pray that for anyone listening to anyone disconnected with you and us it's it's it's one big family God and you want that communication
[01:04:36] in that fellowship so um love you God thank you for all the people in my life and in James' life Lord there's so many things that we've done it cannot be explained by our own actions or
[01:04:53] endeavors God and we are not strong enough to accomplish but we already know you have in our lives and I think you for that and other people's lives too or that you are that holy that loving
[01:05:07] immersive call and bounty and grace and your mercies are new every single day let us not forget these things in Jesus and Amen incredible thanks buddy thank you for sharing it sure let's see
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