Harrison Butker & Scottie Scheffler: Undefeated

[00:00:00] As a woman, I think everything he said was garbage, but I think the fact that there were women in that audience

[00:00:05] that were not okay dude. And you're going to come in and tell us that's all cute and stuff

[00:00:09] but what you're really going to want to do is get married and have babies. Then you'll feel important.

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[00:00:17] Well who? It's not just another day, it's two day.

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[00:01:09] faith to life and sports and have a great fun time doing it. Bill Hobson here joined as always

[00:01:15] by Paul Miller, who is part of the evangelical free Church of America team at the national level.

[00:01:22] I think his office officially is on a delta flight somewhere most of the time but he's actually

[00:01:26] at home. He's like at home, right? Home game? I am at home and that's the first time you've said

[00:01:32] it correctly. I know it takes me while. I'll free Church of America. So, do you know why?

[00:01:36] Can I tell you why? Because in my other life away from microphones as I serve as a consultant with

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[00:01:57] homes. Good to see you in the in the middle of Michigan. How did you hear that Armin Ketayan who was

[00:02:03] in the little preview there? They're beginning of our podcast is writing a book with Jim Harba.

[00:02:08] Did you see that headline? Less than 30 minutes ago I received a response reply email from

[00:02:15] Armin Ketayan as I sent him a note and said, we had you on before we got to have you on again and

[00:02:22] he said it will happen. He hasn't started doing press for this book yet but yes we are I'm looking

[00:02:28] forward to that and every time I hear that little clip in there I remember what a great conversational

[00:02:33] storyteller he is I'm looking forward to that. We have a special guest with us today's been

[00:02:37] with us a couple of times before Paul why don't you want you introduced our our Texas connection.

[00:02:43] Yes our Texas connection and our Church Pew Sports NHL Insider expert Doug Helcomb

[00:02:51] was telling you guys off mic before we started recording that there's there's sometimes

[00:02:56] our people in your life where we're just seeing their face makes you feel a little lighter in

[00:03:02] your spirit and Doug is one of those guys for me Doug I see you on the zoom call and I miss

[00:03:09] Texas I miss Dallas good to have you here my friend. Good to be here and I miss you.

[00:03:15] Well we're glad to have you with us at two or three other times right you've been with us.

[00:03:18] Yep I remember right so for those of you who listen to the podcast on a regular basis the

[00:03:23] name of Doug Helcomb should sound somewhat familiar and he is in Texas and not just because

[00:03:29] of his connection to hockey but there's a Texas tech banner hanging behind him and it's got a lot

[00:03:34] of history with that school so when you hear you know harbors name and sound bites in the

[00:03:40] introduction do you have as visceral a reaction as Paul does because I think it's like nails on a

[00:03:45] chalkboard for Paul. I do not I do not but I admire his reaction.

[00:03:53] I admire his reaction well since you're in the mindset of of admiring people's reactions let's

[00:03:59] start off first of all for all of you listening here's where we're headed today all over the place

[00:04:05] we're kind of in the summer dead period where yes we can talk playoffs we'll talk a little

[00:04:10] NHL playoffs we'll touch on some NBA things but there have been a number of off the field

[00:04:17] headlines garnered in ways that I don't think anybody saw coming including in the world of

[00:04:22] commencement addresses from a kicker. Normally kickers are to be seen and not heard that's the

[00:04:30] attitude amongst most football players because during practice the kickers are over in their own

[00:04:36] world while the big boys are running into each other and risking injury the kickers are just over here

[00:04:41] kicking and so they're very rarely thought of as an important voice on the teams unless they've been

[00:04:48] there forever it'll win a Terry Jason Hanson used to be this way with the lions and he was kind of

[00:04:54] it's kind of the elder statesman because they have longer careers as kickers. Well Harrison Bucker

[00:05:00] has three Super Bowl rings with the Kansas City Chiefs which has elevated his position in that

[00:05:07] market and among that fan base and Paul he was invited to be the commencement speaker for Benedictine

[00:05:14] the Catholic school and he comes from a Catholic background so so far so good right what could

[00:05:20] possibly go wrong yeah well what could go wrong is that he could speak very candidly about his

[00:05:28] religious beliefs and kind of his worldview based on his religious beliefs which has gotten him in a

[00:05:36] little bit of hot water I have a whole lot of thoughts do we I have the quote here unless we have

[00:05:42] him actually saying it so we can actually unpack what he said because I think that's part of

[00:05:48] the controversy surrounding the things that's so complicated. Yeah and looking for the best

[00:05:54] way to capitalize his speech because I'm not expecting our audience to go and listen to all 20 minutes

[00:06:00] of it. I found a news report I think it's on the today show so you know they're going to come

[00:06:06] at it with a little bit of a slant but this is kind of a I don't know one minute highlight real

[00:06:11] of some of the things that he said in this speech here we go Harrison Bucker. Some of you may go on

[00:06:15] to lead successful careers in the world but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are

[00:06:20] most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. In a controversial

[00:06:25] commencement speech at Benedictine College over the weekend three times Super Bowl champion,

[00:06:29] Harrison Bucker, railing against everything from President Biden to Pride Month to IVF

[00:06:35] and speaking directly to the women in the audience. I can tell you that my beautiful wife is a

[00:06:40] bell would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation

[00:06:45] as a wife. But, Cure also criticizing gay rights when telling the students to take pride in their

[00:06:51] school. Not the deadly sin sort of pride that has an entire month dedicated to it and had a message

[00:06:56] for the men be unapologetic in your masculinity fighting against the cultural immaculation of men.

[00:07:02] The NFL responding saying Bucker gave a speech in his personal capacity and his views are not those

[00:07:08] of the league. Some pointing out the Georgian native's own mother is a physicist in the Department

[00:07:13] of Oncology at Emery. There's the high-leg real. It may not have included the exact quote that

[00:07:20] you were thinking of Paul, but that would give you a kind of a feel for where he was headed. And again,

[00:07:24] this is a gentleman with a Catholic faith background speaking as an invited guest at a Catholic school

[00:07:31] commencement. So I'll let you and Doug drop in and tell me what thoughts you have and then

[00:07:36] we'll share some of the other reactions. We've found. Yeah, who's up first, man? Okay, so I think that

[00:07:42] the most interesting part of the speech that I did listen to the whole thing a couple days ago,

[00:07:47] the whole 20 minutes was that he was elevating being a homemaker, being a stay at home,

[00:07:54] a wife and a mom running a family and it felt like he was trying to elevate that vocation.

[00:08:01] And he did, he also said, you know, a lot of you were going to go on and do great things.

[00:08:06] And that's awesome. But I bet there's a bunch of you here that I really look forward to being a wife

[00:08:10] and a mom is essentially what he said. I don't know if that was the most controversial. He kind of

[00:08:16] had all those other one liners that he threw in there about everything from Biden and gender ideologies

[00:08:24] to LGBTQ to DEI, to the I mean you name it. And that's what makes it so confusing. But I think,

[00:08:33] you know, people don't know how to direct their outrage. So it just kind of becomes this big

[00:08:38] warmth sweeping condemnation or doxing or canceling of Harrison Butler. So yeah, and the cancel

[00:08:46] crowd would I think proudly wave the flag and wear the t-shirts bearing the word diversity on it.

[00:08:54] I mean, that's just kind of what the cancel crowd does. They claim the importance of diversity,

[00:08:58] equity and inclusion. Unless it comes to the diversity of thought in our culture that goes

[00:09:05] perhaps counter to what your thoughts or beliefs may be. We seem to have a one way street

[00:09:13] in the area of thought. And if you don't agree with, I guess, the masses, I'm not sure how to label

[00:09:20] the other side of all those topics. And I'm not saying that I would agree 100% with everything Harrison said,

[00:09:26] but I have not understood at all the reaction, the violent reaction that's come. I guess I should

[00:09:33] understand it given the state of protest and sensitivity and snowflake, and so all over the place.

[00:09:38] But it's been really quite something to see. Doug, I don't know what your observation has your

[00:09:42] observation been in the wake of his speech and the fallout? Well, I think a lot of what he said,

[00:09:50] because he did throw in a bunch of different views on different things, he was speaking to his audience.

[00:09:57] His belief. And so that was something that went large. You know, I can't tell you what anybody said

[00:10:02] at any of my comments with speeches, but it didn't make a lot of waves. And I don't think his intent

[00:10:08] was to make waves, but I think it was to make a difference in elevating. If you got your degree

[00:10:14] and your next step is to be a homemaker, he was trying to pull them up. And the result is

[00:10:20] everybody trying to pull him down. And I think all of his comments kind of got stacked on top of each

[00:10:26] other. And people just didn't like that worldview, but I love the response of Andy Reed,

[00:10:34] his coach, Patrick Mahomes, a red rater who, you know, he even Patrick said, I don't necessarily

[00:10:41] agree with all of what he said, but he's a great teammate, he's a great person, and I support him.

[00:10:46] And I think you can support someone. But there weren't a lot of voices of support coming out in favor

[00:10:53] of him for being bold and saying what he believed. And I think he kind of deserves a little bit

[00:11:00] of credit of saying he knew his audience, he knows his belief, and they were informed. And it's

[00:11:06] he didn't think he's okay if you disagree with it. Here's his quarterback, Patrick Mahomes.

[00:11:10] I'm no Harrison. I'm not him for seven years. And I'm, I judge him by the character that he

[00:11:16] shows every single day. And that's a good person. That's someone who cares about the people around

[00:11:21] him, cares about his family. And they want to make a good impact in society. When you're in the

[00:11:25] locker, and there's a lot of people from a lot of different areas of life, and they have a lot

[00:11:29] of different views on everything. And we're always going to agree. But I'm, and there's some things

[00:11:35] he said that I don't necessarily agree with, but I understand the person that he is, and he's trying

[00:11:38] to do whatever he can to lead people in a right direction. And then that might not be the same

[00:11:43] values as I have, but at the same time, I'm going to judge him by the character that he shows

[00:11:47] every single day. That's a great person. And we'll continue to move along and try to help

[00:11:52] build each other up to make ourselves better every single day. Pretty good. Patrick, Patrick

[00:11:59] carries a little bit of weight with that fan base. And for whatever it's worth, if the reports are

[00:12:05] accurate in the immediate aftermath of that speech and the controversy, the jersey of a kicker

[00:12:13] became the number one selling jersey in the NFL merchandise world in the month of May. Okay,

[00:12:20] these, these things are not coincidental and for the NFL to come out with that statement that

[00:12:25] you heard at the end of the news report. You know, he was giving his personal opinions and

[00:12:29] you know, the NFL does not so support or agree with what he said. Had he come out and given a speech

[00:12:36] proclaiming pretty much the exact opposite of everything he said, that statement doesn't come from

[00:12:41] the NFL. Right? I mean, they would have said, oh, go get them big guy. I mean, that's the diversity

[00:12:46] we're looking for. So this, this one way street you talk about swimming upstream in a culture

[00:12:52] with its shifting values and it's kind of finger on the cancel button at all times. He, he stepped

[00:13:01] out. And again, I'm not saying that I'm signing onto 100% of it, but when he says man, be man,

[00:13:09] yes, please, please, we need more of those. Here's Michelle Beetle, sportscaster.

[00:13:17] She falls in a slightly different camp than Patrick Mahomes. As a woman, I think everything he said was

[00:13:22] garbage, but I think the fact that there were women in that audience that were not okay,

[00:13:27] dude, and you're going to come in here and tell us that's all cute and stuff, but what you're

[00:13:30] really going to want to do is get married and have babies. Then you'll feel important. And I had to

[00:13:35] cut out a phrase of hers that included some language we don't use here on church view sports.

[00:13:41] Meanwhile, another sportscaster female by the name of Sage Steel with her take on all of this.

[00:13:48] Diversity of thought. I've been preaching that since long before I left the SPN and I will never

[00:13:52] start preaching it because that is what's right. Diversity of thought. By the way, I didn't agree with

[00:13:56] every single thing Harrison but Chris said, I know women, women who are close friends of mine,

[00:14:02] who actually are quite content and life without having kids, whether it was their specific choice.

[00:14:06] They didn't want to become a mother or they couldn't and are not peace with it. I know women can be

[00:14:10] quite content without being a mother. For me that was not a bend of case and I'm so grateful and

[00:14:15] blessed that I am a mother times three. And that by far is my best accomplishment and thing

[00:14:21] a most proud of and my the best job I'll ever have being a mother. Everything else I've ever done

[00:14:27] and ever will do comes like a distant tenth place not even second place. So.

[00:14:33] Yeah, do you guys think if he had just made the comments about being a wife and a mom

[00:14:40] and left all the other political stuff out? Would you would you view it differently or do you

[00:14:46] think the reaction would have been different if we could peel it apart?

[00:14:51] I think it would have been somewhat different. It wouldn't be as incendiary.

[00:14:56] And when it was been a big slow. But it's still out there and the thing that we live in a

[00:15:00] sound bite, you know, generation where it's just a little snippet is played and then I'm hearing

[00:15:06] other phrases layered on that he never said what her added to what he said and I think that's

[00:15:12] that's unfair but I don't think he's looking to respond and defend himself. I think he's just

[00:15:17] trying to make his statement and I think he rest more on his character than his comments and

[00:15:22] comments came from his character and his beliefs. He's very committed to his Catholic faith and

[00:15:27] and he was speaking from that two students of that same tradition. Yeah, so knowing that we were

[00:15:34] getting together for this conversation I started really looking around for the various reactions

[00:15:39] from from females in the media and it seems like because I was trying to pinpoint was there

[00:15:45] one statement that really really ticked them off the most and it seems to be connected

[00:15:52] to this idea that there is a high calling associated with being a wife and a mother.

[00:15:59] I could have, in fact, I almost did but I didn't grab it. Rich Eisen's wife Susie Schuster,

[00:16:05] she was in his studio one show and she went on about a two and a half minute rant about

[00:16:12] I don't know, I'm just over here pushing buttons. I couldn't ever possibly and it was like this

[00:16:17] what's the, we're a passive aggressive response to Oh, what was me and I could never do any of these

[00:16:23] things because I'm just a female. I don't know how you draw that out of what Butker said. If I

[00:16:30] were to call my wife into the studio right now and ask her, what is it you taught the freshman high

[00:16:36] school girls when you were asked to come in and teach a six week course to them on purity and

[00:16:43] on maturity and on walking with Christ. What did you teach them? She would say that your highest

[00:16:50] calling as a Christ follower is to be a God fearing Christ following example of a wife and mother

[00:17:01] if you have children. Everything else can take care of itself and you know professionally,

[00:17:07] awesome. It doesn't mean you can't do both and this assumption is that you can't be both a loving

[00:17:12] wife and mother and have a job. And I just don't understand the reaction but again, it's that lack of

[00:17:18] diversity of thought that just kind of limits us to a one way street. It's like a dog whistle goes

[00:17:23] off and everybody says he said what? And if you just sit down and think about it for a minute,

[00:17:31] how many families have benefited from loving wife and mother? I have or have not benefited

[00:17:40] from a lack of loving mom or loving death. And then it's there. And any cold out men as well,

[00:17:45] by the way, which is crucial. Men be men. Yeah and I think anytime you take a sound buy to

[00:17:50] take some, make a comment, a caricature, a distorted kind of caricature of what he was really saying

[00:17:55] and when you get to the bottom line of what he was saying, he was trying to challenge people

[00:17:59] to be more and make more of a difference in the greatest fear of influence in our world. I always

[00:18:04] go back to the Billy Graham coach about no a coach impacts more people in a year. The most people

[00:18:09] do a lifetime but ultimately the homes where the greatest difference can be made and he was calling

[00:18:13] people to more. Yeah, that's really good. Would it have been a mistake if he was given that speech

[00:18:20] at a public university? P. R. M. Stake yes. But I have a feeling he would have known his audience

[00:18:32] and he's a respectful guy. He's not a jerk. He's not trying to throw in truth grenades.

[00:18:39] He's trying to challenge people to more based on who he was talking to. I wouldn't have advised

[00:18:44] that just because you're not going to get heard, but you could argue his message is getting heard

[00:18:50] a lot because he said something. It's not being heard accurately with the soundbots.

[00:18:55] This is what you don't expect it out there. You know, I think the most telling evidence that he

[00:19:02] is a man of character who has the reputation that backs up the things that he says

[00:19:08] is when his teammates in his coach come to his defense. If they didn't, if they didn't have his

[00:19:14] respect and dug, you've been in enough locker rooms to know that there are jerks on some teams

[00:19:18] and in a brawl the teammates aren't coming to their defense. In a, in a, in a, in some sort of

[00:19:23] of a deal where you would go and help your teammate up off the court or off the field during a game.

[00:19:27] If they don't like it, you're going to help yourself up, right? And here comes the number one

[00:19:33] chief in Kansas City, your MVP quarterback coming in and saying, let's say it's a good guy. This is a

[00:19:40] good guy. We're going to talk about that idea a little bit later when we dive into what happened

[00:19:45] with Scotty Sheffler. So my encouragement as we kind of move past the butchered part is for everybody

[00:19:51] to realize that diversity of thought or just having a conversation is so much better than these

[00:19:58] knee jerk over the top cancel culture reactions that really makes you look quite small when you

[00:20:05] just default to that person has got to lose their job. There was a legitimate official editorial

[00:20:14] written in the Kansas City, what is it? The star, I don't know what the name of the newspaper is,

[00:20:18] but the news paper, Casey. It was not satire. It wasn't a letter to the editor. It was

[00:20:27] the editorial board of the paper calling for here. You're ready? The firing of Harrison butkir

[00:20:37] and replacing him with a female kicker from some college program who has a career long. I think

[00:20:44] of 28 yards or 38 yards that she's made. That was like their legitimate call for how to solve all

[00:20:52] of this. I'm sure Andy read a little bit of this. Can you imagine the game on the line and here

[00:21:00] it comes down and this one happens to be 52 yards. So it's just silly. Let's move from the

[00:21:07] oddity of commencement speeches and football over to the intentional honesty of hockey.

[00:21:18] Sometimes hockey players, and this is one of the things I love about hockey players,

[00:21:22] they sometimes say the quiet parts all out. I think it's fair to say that maybe Brad Marchant

[00:21:29] would be in that camp. Somebody who just, hey, unfiltered, which as a fan and as a guy in the

[00:21:35] media, I love it. Take a listen to his thought on intentionally harming and opponent.

[00:22:05] Any time you can get an advantage on a team, it's going to help your team win. That's part of

[00:22:13] the benefit of having a physical group and that's why you see teams go the distance with

[00:22:19] big decor and physical teams. And it's why you rarely see teams that are small and still to

[00:22:25] go far because they get hurt. It's okay so Doug was that the quiet part now allowed?

[00:22:31] It was but he's the guy that would say it and he's guilty of it, he admits it and he says

[00:22:36] everyone is too and I think the difference is hockey players are pretty respectful and even Brad Marchant

[00:22:42] who he's done some crazy things over the licking a player to kind of get under their skin.

[00:22:47] Licking. He licked a player one time in a scram and just anything to get under their in their head.

[00:22:55] But I mean it is a physical sport. There's a reason in hockey they do not disclose it's a

[00:23:00] wrist injury but they just say it's an upper-border injury body injury because people can be

[00:23:05] hacking at that wrist trying to get that person out of the lineup. So I think it's a physical

[00:23:11] game you're hoping somebody pays the price physically, but at the same time hockey players are generally

[00:23:19] they seem like they're even Brad Marchant like good guys who they don't want to

[00:23:23] ruin someone well-being. They just want to affect the outcome of the game and so I think he's

[00:23:28] being a 100% honest and now there's a lot of people that's their job they're out to inflict pain

[00:23:32] on the other team. Yeah that quote I think was reporter was asking him about an injury

[00:23:38] that he had sustained right? There was like a marginal play and so that was probably not the

[00:23:44] response that the reporter was going for when they asked the question right? They were loving

[00:23:50] that response. Yeah. Wow okay so where's the line drawn I mean we we in Detroit

[00:23:57] Redwing Country will always draw the line at what Lemue did to Chris Draper.

[00:24:03] You know many many years ago but it's still a holiday here in our parts when we look back

[00:24:08] at how McCarty took care of that a while later. Where's the line drawn what what is okay

[00:24:15] what is acceptable in the NHL world of we're going to try to hurt your star we're going to try

[00:24:21] to come after that lower body injury but but there's a line you can't cross what is it?

[00:24:26] Well it starts with a rulebook and there are rules in place and some of those are subjective

[00:24:31] but a lot of them aren't and you kind of trust that the officials and their suspensions and

[00:24:37] their fines that kind of put some checks and balances in place and then hockey's one of the

[00:24:43] sports where if you go make a run at a star player someone's going to make a run at you there's

[00:24:48] old West justice that kind of comes into play to keep things in line so it kind of places itself

[00:24:54] the line is always a little bit gray but the rulebook puts a lot of lightens as no these are some

[00:24:59] lines you can't cross. Connor McDavid very easily could have been severely injured and out

[00:25:07] for the rest of not just a playoff but for a very long time with the cross check in the back

[00:25:12] at the same time as another one to his throat now I get your coming after him and I get that in

[00:25:18] the old days stew grimsson Bob Probert McSorley somebody would have come in and cleaned up that mess

[00:25:24] in a heartbeat I don't know that it happens that way anymore would that kind of hit which I believe

[00:25:30] did result in a suspension for one of the players would that be something that even in the unwritten

[00:25:35] rules of the wild west of the NHL would that have crossed the line? Yeah that's a great question

[00:25:41] I think you know when the way you described it there you know a cross trek check to the throat

[00:25:48] Oh, it's a perfect thing. He's also being cross checked in the back at the same time

[00:25:51] like that just feels like you know there's some spots head injuries are a big deal the throw

[00:25:55] it's a big deal you know like you had a player that got cut by a by a skate it was a professional

[00:26:01] hockey player and and great Britain and he blood out he died you know there's some awareness is

[00:26:08] that are there but in the heat of the moment the adrenaline is so high I don't know if they're

[00:26:13] using logic and they're not consulting the rulebook it's just reacting so there are some lines and

[00:26:19] when you hit a star player like Connor McDavid not only goes teammates get out to you

[00:26:22] the league will because that's that's good money what help my dial stars out a little bit if they didn't

[00:26:27] have to face it in a round feels like you're going up in a video game facing a higher bigger

[00:26:32] super boss every time you go in an electronic blast now you've got McDavid and dry cycled

[00:26:37] you go after a star player and the league I think it's the look a little bit closer

[00:26:43] all right Doug so you teed it up right like we know your dial sky i'm still a little bit

[00:26:49] or about Jim now leaving the wings to get a little bit of a no-eye trust yes that's right

[00:26:55] if Martian is correct which of the final four remaining teams has the advantage the

[00:27:01] Rangers Florida does Edmonton who has the advantage based on what Martian said what did

[00:27:09] Martian say his whole thing about the physicality and walking the line of intent to injure

[00:27:15] and semi dirty play well you'd look at florida math you could shock is a guy like florida's

[00:27:24] a very highly penalized team they play with an edge I think that series between them in New York will be

[00:27:31] New York has a guy named Matt Rampie who is I think he's gotten more penalty minutes than he

[00:27:35] does on ice minutes and I'm not exaggerating like he's he's a monster human being he's physical

[00:27:43] you know I give the edge to florida probably because of math you could shock with Dallas Dallas

[00:27:49] is physical but they're they're pretty they play a clean game so if you're going to look at a team

[00:27:54] that's just going to be rough Edmonton has Darnell nurse who's pretty physical but

[00:27:59] a vander cane can sometimes cross the line they got Corey Perry and sometimes it's not

[00:28:05] intent to injure but intent to rattle and and I would give it to florida Florida there you go

[00:28:13] so I'm going to go handle all of Canada is hoping for their their savior to come out of Edmonton

[00:28:19] right that this is three U.S. teams in one Canadian team and there was it wasn't all that long ago

[00:28:25] when that ratio would have been flipped so obviously you're rooting for Dallas all of Canada's

[00:28:32] pulling for the oilers how did that most of Canada most of Canada's I mean when Vancouver still struggling

[00:28:39] can go how that series played out how to when did that equation flip though how long ago

[00:28:45] and how did it flip so that the U.S. in the NHL became the more prevalent side of the league

[00:28:52] well Canadian team as it won a Stanley Cups since 94 or 33 what it means 93 so so I was Montreal

[00:29:00] and and so that's their sport like that that is like not one of many that is their sport it's

[00:29:06] on their money it's it's practically their religion like that like this is the deal like

[00:29:11] but the Toronto Maple leaves haven't played a meaningful game in June ever like back when they were

[00:29:18] playing in the last rounds of the playoffs when they were highly successful that the playoffs were

[00:29:23] shorter they were happening in May like like I think Canada just wants it so bad so so but lack of success

[00:29:32] kind of kills that and so you have U.S. markets you have Vegas the outside where they last year

[00:29:36] that call a lot before that you have Tampa before that you have all these warm weather climates winning

[00:29:42] in the U.S. I think if Canadian teams not playing in the finals they're not winning in the finals

[00:29:50] it's all U.S. teams that cheer for. I know that there's a lot of revenue involved in

[00:29:56] an elongated regular season but I have thought for years that the NHL would serve itself so much better

[00:30:03] if it could get its playoffs wrapped up before the NBA playoffs begin so maybe it's a 60 game

[00:30:09] regular season playing hockey and watching hockey when it's 82 degrees outside just doesn't fit and you

[00:30:19] can see that by the ratings in southern markets where it's a lot warmer they just don't pay any

[00:30:25] attention to it it's such a parochial sport I'm not dumb enough to think that ownership is going

[00:30:30] to go hey that's a great idea let's cut our regular season by 25% but from a fan of Peel standpoint

[00:30:38] it just it seems like such a niche sport right now in fact oddly enough the ratings between

[00:30:44] the NHL and golf are not all that different and it it should be a lot different so I don't know

[00:30:51] was that is that a crazy idea to shorten it up a little bit here's the here's the area you

[00:30:56] can see even on the other side right my son Jake lives in downtown Dallas and he can spit off the

[00:31:01] balcony of his apartment and hit the roof of the American Allen Center and his boss has a skybox

[00:31:07] there so he just texted me his schedule of all the games he's going to be at like alternating

[00:31:14] between the stars and the madz in the playoffs next two three weeks so I think Dallas the Dallas

[00:31:23] market is pretty happy that both of those playoffs are in there Jared Jones isn't no Jerry's

[00:31:30] he had like the pressure right out Rangers one stars and madz in the western conference finals

[00:31:35] but a lot of pressure on the cowboys but everyone else Dallas is ecstatic yeah so I yeah I don't know

[00:31:41] what I I will watch if both are on at the same time I'll pick hockey just because

[00:31:48] so I don't know that's kind of my take on it and as hockey fan it ends too early for me

[00:31:55] I mean I I go into the kind of like what do I do now now that hockey's ended so I mean I'm in but

[00:32:01] I'm always going to be in so I'm not the person that the league is worried about trying to draw into

[00:32:05] watch I'm my my my my for mine and me my motto is in the playoffs if it's on TV it's on my TV

[00:32:12] like I'm in so that like they've got me no matter what they're trying to figure out the other people to

[00:32:18] draw in but everybody loves a winner there's just a lot more people that would probably love to see a winner

[00:32:24] north of the border rather than in the U.S. and I do have to remind myself that we're if my favorite teams

[00:32:30] were any good whatsoever and still playing I probably wouldn't have that same that same thought if

[00:32:36] I'd be just like you I'm like yeah bring it on let's keep going there's there's no summer dead time if your

[00:32:40] team still play it could you imagine if the wings and the pistons bill well we're still live you would be like

[00:32:47] doing backflip I didn't there was a time when I didn't have to imagine it I could just turn on my TV

[00:32:52] and watch it but now they're both lousy and baldy sports Detroit is lousy so nobody can see anything anyways

[00:32:59] the choice come and they're gonna they'll be there soon I sure hope so okay our third topic third and final major topic

[00:33:07] a week ago I get on Friday I was on the road doing my radio show and shooting some TV stuff for

[00:33:15] a Michigan golf live got up that morning and started to kind of scroll through

[00:33:21] social media the PGA championship was being held in Louisville, Kentucky at Valhalla

[00:33:28] placed that I've been for a writer cup before and I started to see what looked like a spoof

[00:33:35] an April Fool's Day joke in May which made no sense and that was that the number one player in the

[00:33:42] world had been arrested and then it wasn't that long after that I first saw that and you know

[00:33:49] I kind of shake yourself awake a little bit like wait what that can be and then here comes a mug shot

[00:33:56] of Scotty Schaffler in an orange jumpsuit well now I mean this is nuts my phone starts blowing up

[00:34:04] I'm getting called by radio stations to do interviews about something I have no idea what I'm talking about

[00:34:09] because I'm not there the whole thing is very much a surreal mess Scotty Schaffler goes to jail

[00:34:20] and in two hours the owner of the golf course Valhalla along with some other city representative

[00:34:28] and his newly appointed attorney who he didn't have an attorney in Louisville all of a sudden show up at the

[00:34:34] jail and now he's been charged with a felony and a handful of other misdemeanors

[00:34:39] the felony came because the officer detective Gillis whom I will address in my Holy Discontent

[00:34:46] claimed that he quote attached himself to Scotty's car and then was dragged to the point where his

[00:34:54] uniform slacks valued at $80 were damaged beyond repair and that somehow is what propelled this into the

[00:35:02] felony category again it sounds like the premise for a sitcom or something out of money python it just made

[00:35:09] no sense whatsoever nor did the quick release so now I got these even though it's laughable he's been

[00:35:17] charged with a felony nobody's getting out of jail in two hours after being charged with felany nobody

[00:35:23] because there had been an accident outside the club that morning in a massive traffic backup

[00:35:29] they actually delayed the start of Fridays round by about 90 minutes so Scotty was able to make it

[00:35:35] back to Valhalla in time to play in the second round a few hours after being arrested for a felony

[00:35:44] then he goes out and shoots like a 66 which was one of the best rounds of the day

[00:35:51] nobody could believe it and afterwards he sat down for a press conference where he began by saying

[00:35:59] hey listen I just I know you'll all understand this I can't really speak about what happened

[00:36:07] because it's still a matter before the law enforcement world so I just I can talk about the golf

[00:36:12] road I can't talk about it yeah so he starts out by saying I can't talk about it

[00:36:24] and then he proceeds to talk about it I can't really explain what happened this morning

[00:36:30] I did spend some time stretching in a jail cell that was the first for me you know I was

[00:36:34] part of my warm up I was just sitting there waiting and you know I started going through my warm

[00:36:37] up I felt like there was a chance I may be able to still come out here and play and so

[00:36:41] I started going through my routine I tried to get my heart rate down as much as I could today but

[00:36:44] like I said you know I still feel like my head's been a little bit but yeah I was fortunate to be

[00:36:49] able to make it back out and play some golf today and play some golf today yeah he went on for like

[00:36:56] maybe 10 more minutes where it looked like in real time without really questions

[00:37:02] leading him out they really weren't they were being respectful but he began to openly and verbally

[00:37:08] process what had happened he talked about how his he was shaking he talked about the friendliness

[00:37:14] of the officers at the jail and offering him sandwiches and taking selfies and all this stuff because

[00:37:19] they were so embarrassed by the actions of their colleague who had gone to this ridiculous step of

[00:37:26] arresting so I would love to hear from two guys who maybe are on the periphery of paying attention

[00:37:33] to golf what you thought of all of this when you first heard about it Paul what was

[00:37:39] well we sure he actually did all this mess well it made that day of golf we're interesting for me

[00:37:47] as a as a peripheral golf watching fan so there was that piece but I know I know Scotty Sheffler

[00:37:57] familiar with defect that he is a man of faith and that his character you know we were talking

[00:38:03] about Harrison Bucker's character I would say the same types of things that are true of Mr. Sheffler

[00:38:09] so I was mostly curious to see how he was going to respond and if he was going to you know

[00:38:16] if he came back and shot a 75 and missed the cut if he was going to like shoot arrows and blame

[00:38:24] what happened or whatever which ended up not being the case like you said he shot a 66 he kind of

[00:38:29] blew up the next day which is understandable but I was mostly interested in was he going to be gracious

[00:38:36] or was he going to be entitled and little spoiled when he inevitably had to get out of my phone

[00:38:43] and talk about what happened and he was class all the way I don't it's not like I know Scotty Sheffler

[00:38:50] but I was proud of him as a fellow Christ follower the way he handled himself in that moment and it

[00:38:57] made me watch it made me want to watch and see what was going to happen and Doug he's a Texas guy

[00:39:03] he is University of Texas guy but lives in Texas you know I was reading for him with the masters

[00:39:10] and he won and just love his story and went straight home from there as a baby so wife has a baby

[00:39:16] either first child you know and I'm like man the first child first you know I guess it's the first

[00:39:22] tournament maybe after the baby's born like is that goes to the child's dad goes to jail like what in the

[00:39:27] world when it was unfolding I was I was sitting I lead a Bible study on Friday mornings at 7 30

[00:39:33] a.m. it really is barbecue and my my seat faces a TV which is a distraction anyway but

[00:39:42] this scroll is coming across and they're live from Valle Hall and there's police lights and

[00:39:46] they show a clip of being led off in handcuffs and in my mind I'm we're talking about Romans 12

[00:39:52] and talking I go to that chapter in my mind I'm going what it's like the pinwheel was spinning like

[00:39:59] I couldn't quite calculating calculating I could not figure out the circumstances and you know the thought

[00:40:06] I have as sports fans we feel like we're entitled to so much more than we really are

[00:40:13] you know we start we're people are storytellers we write stories good or bad about people

[00:40:21] this based on a little bit information and I try to be real discipline to say I'm on a way and here

[00:40:27] what the story is and figure out if I'm entitled to the story because I was more just the curious

[00:40:33] observer eating barbecue you know sitting back going what's gonna happen next but at the same

[00:40:38] time my other instinct I always use because I was in sports ministry for a long time I want to use

[00:40:46] headlines as prompts to pray and I saw his prayer for Scotty like this is an opportunity for him to

[00:40:53] again we speak out of character he did I think he did his press conference we live out of character

[00:41:00] and that was an opportunity for someone to see how you can handle adversity and it's a lot bigger than

[00:41:05] what the score he shot that day but how in the world that he shoot that after all that baffles me

[00:41:11] but I was just I was baffled by it so it just seems still off the wall. I like you I kept waiting

[00:41:17] for something to fill in the logic gap and I thought well I heard it was raining and it was dark

[00:41:24] and my my worst thought was maybe he maybe a pedestrian I mean that's what happened further

[00:41:30] down the road that caused the backup was a pedestrian unfortunately got killed by a shuttle bus

[00:41:37] and I thought oh please note I mean this would devastate a guy like Scotty who's as gentle as

[00:41:41] spirit as there is and what I what I took out of his comments was impressive but that part didn't

[00:41:51] surprise me the part that I really really was touched by was the instant reaction of every competitor

[00:42:02] in his universe who said well that's we know that this is a misunderstanding because there's

[00:42:08] no way Scotty would ever break the law intentionally and I started you know I kind of compare him

[00:42:16] I said they kind of they arrested the Billy Graham of golf essentially is what happened

[00:42:22] and I was reminded of how a sparkling reputation that you live consistently can help you in a time

[00:42:30] of crisis because others will rally around you and and they did. I mean I can substitute because of

[00:42:38] the connections I have on the PGA tour I could substitute the names of a half a dozen players

[00:42:45] who if I had if I had awakened that Friday morning and seen so and so arrested

[00:42:51] and then watched the scene with the handcuffs and walked behind the back I would have thought yeah

[00:42:56] okay you know I guess maybe his temper got the best of him or maybe he was a little bit

[00:43:00] under the influence or something like that or belligerent and they said they wouldn't let him

[00:43:06] never never even cross my mind with Scotty and you know I'm trying to take away from that

[00:43:13] the importance of a consistent walk and a consistent reputation that others come to appreciate

[00:43:21] and come to defend in a time when you need people to defend it I was also picturing his wife

[00:43:27] Meredith who now has a one week old baby sitting back home in Texas and you know after probably

[00:43:32] not much sleep tonight before getting up and turning on the TV and seeing her husband at an orange

[00:43:36] jumpsuit and wondering what in the world when in the world that was like so he played great

[00:43:43] on Friday then Saturday it all kind of settled in and he came back down to earth and didn't

[00:43:48] play all that well and he just said I was exhausted and we all know he didn't have his caddy that day

[00:43:53] yeah so he also things but I the nerves just probably started unpacking himself yes I did

[00:43:59] here a podcast earlier today with the number of players on it he's part of a core group of guys who

[00:44:06] are at a text thread and yes they have changed the avatar of the text thread to his jump suit

[00:44:12] mugshot and they are having a lot of fun a lot of fun with him so yeah any last thoughts on that's

[00:44:18] Paul no I just am thinking about our three minute message your character bleeds out in moments of

[00:44:28] crisis really does all right let's let's go from that we'll save that let's go to our holy

[00:44:33] discontent it's time to blow off some steam get it off your chest rant about what's most bothering

[00:44:44] you I got a lot of problems with you people now you're gonna hear about it's time for holy

[00:44:50] discontent oh what you lead off Paul all right so that this is going to be a bit of a

[00:44:57] gear shift from the conversation we just been had and my whole discontent is where I don't know

[00:45:02] whom anyone whose name is involved in the story around jaden roshada suing Billy Napier in the

[00:45:08] University of Florida and I all collectives I don't know if you guys saw this headline you remember

[00:45:13] him he signed roshada signed with the University Miami for like 9 million which wait and I always not for

[00:45:22] recruiting incentives so this is all a legend students student athletes he signed for 9 million

[00:45:27] Miami Florida swoops in and offers him 13.5 so he takes that and then the money doesn't show up so

[00:45:35] he asks out of his letter of intent goes there's a mistake then he decides that he wants to transfer

[00:45:42] to Georgia talks to Kirby smart about the fact that he's planning to sue Billy Napier who's a

[00:45:47] head coach of one of his SEC rivals in Florida and Kirby smart says go for it so you just matters more

[00:45:56] in the SEC so I'm not really sure who I'm frustrated with in this story but it's just like

[00:46:04] truth is stranger than fiction I'll just I'll just leave it at the whole thing it really is

[00:46:11] yeah that's actually mine as well because I was actually talking to somebody yesterday who's been

[00:46:17] worked in the NCAA for years and they just made the comment like the game has changed it's

[00:46:23] it's not a game anymore it is a profession without boundaries it's yeah and I all think they built

[00:46:32] they're building the plane as they're flying it and I think it's going to crash at some point this

[00:46:36] could be one of those crashes where it's it there's just not a lot of direction there and my concern

[00:46:42] is the the impact I mean you can I don't know if you could trust me with a hundred dollars in my

[00:46:47] pocket I was in college let alone millions and that's like what are we doing you know sports can

[00:46:54] produce great character and relationships and that stuff has been pushed to the side Nick Sabin talked

[00:46:59] about it when you dress Congress this is not the sport that I coached for 50 years and I'm

[00:47:05] concerned about the impact but we worship sports we worship money we shouldn't be surprised with

[00:47:13] some of the results we're saying but but it doesn't have to be this way you know I know we can't put

[00:47:19] the toothpaste back in the tube but it almost makes me wonder if we had to bend miles better off

[00:47:28] still allowing you know the payments because I do think the athletes needed to get something

[00:47:34] revenue share but what if it had been in the form of a of a deferred annuity so instead of giving

[00:47:40] it to you when you're 17 and you don't even know which way is up you've never paid a bill in your

[00:47:45] life in all of a sudden you've got six figures in your account what if it was waiting for you upon

[00:47:51] graduation or upon turning professional I I know that's just hypothetically pie in the sky thinking

[00:47:57] but I just think kids would have been so much better off because like you said Doug at 17 and 18 you give

[00:48:04] me three million dollars in the world just checking my messages and yeah nobody asked me

[00:48:11] you never had called but they can have my opinion but right now they've got a mess

[00:48:16] my Holy discontent takes us back to the streets of Louisville Louisville by the way is the most

[00:48:21] dangerous major violent crime city in America by 200% over the next most violent city in Chicago

[00:48:30] 200% per capita more crime in Louisville so hats off to detective Gillis for keeping the

[00:48:38] streets of Louisville safe from the evil scoff law known as Scotty Schuffler I can't imagine how much

[00:48:45] more peacefully the residents of Louisville slept for a couple of hours I mean now the

[00:48:51] terrors back out there again and Sean Jenkins thought about it yeah he did he dug the tunnel really

[00:48:56] fast he crawled through 500 yards of fecal matter and he made it out on the other side in time for

[00:49:01] his tea time and so detective Gillis in fact tomorrow we're we are recording this on Wednesday

[00:49:07] evening May 22 on Thursday morning at 11ish there is a press conference in the Louisville PD

[00:49:16] involving the mayor I think the lieutenant governor and they're talking about this case their

[00:49:22] investigation has moved forward as it happens detective Gillis did not have his body camera on

[00:49:29] to trace all of this that happened but apparently some other people did my prediction will be that by the

[00:49:36] time that press conference ends all the charges will be dropped and we can just go back to

[00:49:41] normal lives of living a millionaire golfer existence but yeah my Holy discontent detective Gillis

[00:49:49] trying to try to make it make it himself it it made an infirm self but it didn't work out really the

[00:49:55] way that you do better detective do better yeah I mean so I heard one comedian I'm not on this

[00:50:01] case but just talking in general about how really good officers of the law have a dimmer switch

[00:50:08] and their personality and on their anger so it it's not just instantly toggled on zero to 100

[00:50:15] it responds to the situation and that those who are not really good law enforcement officials and

[00:50:21] we love our police for sure but those who are not good at it they have a toggle switch and it's

[00:50:27] either off or it's 100% on and it kind of looks like I wasn't there but it certainly looks like detective

[00:50:33] Gillis had the switch flipped on all right time for that guy right now this minute today this week

[00:50:43] I am okay so that guy that guy segment is when we take the opportunity to give a shout out

[00:50:55] to somebody in the world of sports that we think is doing something the right way and you guys I

[00:51:00] think are gonna laugh at the story that I saw and chose for this week it came from the NASCAR all

[00:51:06] Star Race that just happened this past weekend Ricky Stenhouse Junior kind of crowded Kyle Bush

[00:51:12] going into like the first or second turn on lap one and on lap two bush decides to punt him into

[00:51:19] the wall and wreck his car and knock Stenhouse Junior out of the race Stenhouse proceeds to

[00:51:26] wait around several hours for the end of the race so that he can confront and

[00:51:30] start to attack punch whatever Kyle Bush breaks out into a melee Ricky Stenhouse senior jumps in and

[00:51:38] gets involved and then it all kind of breaks loose Stenhouse Junior gets fine $75,000 which is

[00:51:46] the largest fine ever given to the NASCAR driver his dad was suspended indefinitely from NASCAR events

[00:51:53] multiple members of Stenhouse's crew have been given multi multi race suspensions the highest

[00:52:00] one I saw was eight races zero penalties for Kyle Bush wow nothing for Kyle Bush and then this

[00:52:10] is the here comes to that guy they put a microphone in Richard and shoulders his face Richard

[00:52:14] shoulders is the owner of Kyle Bush's race car and so he's like Kyle Bush's boss and they put

[00:52:22] he's 78 years old and they put him put him on microphone and asked him what he would have done

[00:52:27] if he had been in the middle of the melee and what he was going to do going forward yeah I mean I

[00:52:31] would have jumped right in the middle of it I was starting fighting I don't fight as fair as I used

[00:52:38] to I'm a little older but Ricky Stenhouse said that he was going to wreck the eight cars shortly

[00:52:44] well when I see him I'm gonna tell him if he does I'm older but I've just changed my style of

[00:52:51] fight he'll carry a rough lead I had to edit the end of that just a little bit and at the end of

[00:52:57] that because he Richard shoulders promised Stenhouse Junior a butt woman he should have just loved

[00:53:05] that the 70 year old guy is like hey man if he wants to continue this thing that's great I will kick

[00:53:10] his tail because I'm maybe old but I fight differently now I fight smarter and he would be in for it

[00:53:17] there's something about that that I just appreciate you can take the old boy out of the

[00:53:21] driver seat but you're not gonna take the NASCAR out of the old boy that's for sure he was ready to

[00:53:26] rumble my my that guy is Ted Scott Ted Scott is Scott E. Sheffler's caddy on Friday Ted was there

[00:53:36] on Saturday Ted was not because Ted sought permission it didn't take much cottage like oh absolutely

[00:53:45] to leave for one day during a major championship to attend his child's high school graduation

[00:53:52] in the caddy world it's kind of unheard of to do something like that but in their relationship

[00:53:59] and in their family first oriented world that was an automatic now I'm sure Ted came back on Sunday

[00:54:05] and said hey how to do yesterday because he knew that Scott E. on Saturday played quite poorly and said

[00:54:10] you know I'm back now and on Sunday he would don't play really well again but what a wild week

[00:54:15] and if ever there was a time when maybe your caddy would say you know maybe I better stay here

[00:54:20] it looks like we've had a pretty rough rough day rough a rough time Ted still honored his commitment

[00:54:26] to his family and I'm still hopeful that we'll get him on this program at some point

[00:54:31] wonderful follower of Christ and the two of them make one of those special

[00:54:35] teams that you can be proud of and that you can root for unapologetically

[00:54:41] and everything that they do so we're really excited for that and Ted's my that guy because he

[00:54:45] decided to leave and go to his kids graduation so good for him Doug anybody you want to call out

[00:54:51] yeah I'll call out Jim Nill because he does have his dog stars in the conference finals but you know

[00:54:56] one they're leading scores a guy named Wyatt Johnson who just turned 21 like last week

[00:55:02] like he's in the same breath of some stats for goal scoring the playoffs under the age of 20

[00:55:07] with Gretsky and people like that he's done a great job and when when you look back Jim Nill

[00:55:13] just he's a good man he's a Christian man and he does it the right way when Wyatt Johnson was at

[00:55:18] that age where they could have brought him up to be a forward or they could have sent him back to junior

[00:55:23] his conversation was with Joe Pavellsky who was an older guy who's up at 38 at the time on the

[00:55:28] doll stars and he said I were trying to figure out what to do with Wyatt Johnson should be sent him back

[00:55:33] if we think if we bring him to NHL it's a lot of temptation a lot of stuff going on around and he could get lost

[00:55:38] and basically Jim Nill and Joe Pavellsky arranged for Wyatt Johnson to live with Joe Pavellsky

[00:55:45] he lived with him as rookie year and he did it again this year he just ran that play again

[00:55:49] and I'm thinking you know we live in a biz they live in a world and working a business

[00:55:54] that you just want to get the most out of players and I feel like Jim Nill is one of the good

[00:55:59] guys that he doesn't want to just get something from players he wants to get something for them

[00:56:04] he wants to develop them but not at the expense of their well-being and so I just think

[00:56:10] anytime you see a good guy who's thinking about what's best for that player and then Joe Pavellsky

[00:56:15] who's 38 says, well you live in our house and live with him might you know he's probably age of my

[00:56:19] kid you know so like he's it just I like when good guys think about the people not just the player

[00:56:25] yeah very good very good point we we we're gonna wrap things up with our three by the way

[00:56:31] thanks for bringing up the fact that Jim Nill's not Detroit anymore again you keep on telling

[00:56:34] me that over and over again yeah appreciate time for our three minute message

[00:56:41] Homer I'd like you to remember Matthew 7 26 the foolish man who built his house on sound and

[00:56:50] you remember Matthew 21 17 and he left them and went out of the city into Bethany and he

[00:57:00] logs there yeah think about it

[00:57:05] think about it okay I kind of hinted a little bit at what I think our three minute message needs to be

[00:57:11] about after our conversation on this episode we dug you hinted at it we've been talking about

[00:57:16] Harrison Bucker and Scottie Schuffler two guys who love Jesus and made live live the evidence

[00:57:27] of that this past week and so I think about Galatians 220 five in crucified with Christ there's no

[00:57:33] longer I who live the Christ lives in me if that's true that changes everything for us as Jesus

[00:57:42] followers right and so my question for us would be when life bumps up against you and gets a little

[00:57:52] unexpected maybe a little bit rocky what spells out of you the you or Jesus we saw a couple

[00:58:00] of great examples of guys who lived into the truth of that that that verse that promise this past

[00:58:07] week and so my challenge for all of us going into this next week is when life bumps up against you

[00:58:11] which it's going to do what's what's gonna spell out and what are the people around you going to say

[00:58:16] about how you responded that's our challenge for all of us going into this next week

[00:58:22] yeah we've got a couple of very public examples of the good way to handle those things and

[00:58:27] yeah we'd be wise to emulate those so good word for sure Doug thanks so much man good to see again

[00:58:33] that we all follow you and Jim Nill get back to celebrating success together

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