College Football Has An Officiating Mess

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[00:02:03] That is the lion's kicker.

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[00:02:12] We are going to talk today about not just a little bit of lions, but also in the college realm,

[00:02:20] what I think was a seismic event and potentially sets a really bizarre precedent that took place in the game between Texas and Georgia.

[00:02:30] Then we'll move forward to this weekend's rivalry between the Wolverines and the Spartans.

[00:02:36] And we'll talk a little lions and we'll even eventually get to some very strange decision-making going on in the WNBA.

[00:02:44] But before we get any further, so excited that we have a special guest with us tonight.

[00:02:48] And Paul, I'm going to let you introduce him.

[00:02:50] Yes, we are welcoming to the Church Pew Sports Podcast my new friend, Adam Glomboski.

[00:02:56] I met Adam last weekend.

[00:02:58] I was at Cooperstown Bible Camp in the middle of North Dakota.

[00:03:06] And I can't really describe for you where in North Dakota I was, but I can tell you that it was beautiful.

[00:03:12] And the camp setting was awesome and we were there for a youth camp.

[00:03:15] And I walked into the dining hall for one of the meals wearing some Ohio State gear.

[00:03:21] And I was immediately accosted by the director of the camp.

[00:03:26] Accosted?

[00:03:26] He refused me service and he threatened me.

[00:03:29] I did not.

[00:03:30] I did.

[00:03:30] Don't even.

[00:03:32] Okay.

[00:03:33] Don't even.

[00:03:34] Okay.

[00:03:34] So I just want to welcome you, Adam, to the show.

[00:03:36] And it does Bill's heart good to know that we have a little Wolverine thing going here for the conversation.

[00:03:43] But we do have a little hazing ritual that we take all first-time guests through.

[00:03:46] I didn't tell you about this ahead of time, but it's pretty easy.

[00:03:50] We just have one question for you.

[00:03:52] We would love all our listeners to get to know you a little bit.

[00:03:54] And so the question is, who are the teams that you follow?

[00:03:57] I think obviously Michigan might be on the list, but who are the teams that you follow?

[00:04:02] Any sport, any level that you follow in such a way that other sports fans or your family or whatever look at you and go,

[00:04:13] what is up with that guy?

[00:04:14] He needs to relax a little bit.

[00:04:15] So tell us about your irrational sports loyalties.

[00:04:19] Irrational sports loyalties.

[00:04:21] Great.

[00:04:22] No, I'm a, yeah, Michigan through and through.

[00:04:25] So Detroit Lions for football.

[00:04:28] Detroit Tigers.

[00:04:29] Oh my gosh.

[00:04:30] I wish we were so close.

[00:04:32] Detroit Tigers this year.

[00:04:35] Detroit Red Wings.

[00:04:36] Huge Detroit Red Wings fan.

[00:04:38] A great win the other night.

[00:04:40] I mean, yeah.

[00:04:41] Won nothing, but I think we could have done better.

[00:04:44] And then, yeah, I'm a U of M fan through and through.

[00:04:47] Do not like the Spartans.

[00:04:49] Absolutely.

[00:04:50] In Christian brotherly love, despise the Ohio State,

[00:04:56] whatever they're called, the Buckeyes or whatever.

[00:05:00] Do not like them.

[00:05:02] But yeah, Michigan guy through and through.

[00:05:04] And then I married an Oakey.

[00:05:06] And so started to follow the, follow OU.

[00:05:10] And kind of getting a little bit of there.

[00:05:12] But yeah, mainly it is Michigan teams all the way.

[00:05:15] Where do the Detroit roots come from for you?

[00:05:19] I'm born and raised Michigan.

[00:05:21] So I was born in Port Huron, Michigan.

[00:05:24] And played a little hockey, played a little basketball, or baseball, not basketball.

[00:05:28] I'm 6'9".

[00:05:29] Paul knows that.

[00:05:30] But I'm not a tiny U of M fan.

[00:05:33] I'm a pretty big U of M fan.

[00:05:37] So yeah, Michigan through and through, man.

[00:05:39] Adam, that makes you the second tallest guest that we've had on Church Pew behind Kurt David,

[00:05:44] who played some professional basketball at 6'10", or 6'11".

[00:05:48] And the fact that there is a Maize and Blue representation in North Dakota,

[00:05:52] I think will be encouragement to our other cast member, David Collins, who's checking in with us.

[00:05:58] David, did you know that the Maize and Blue could actually be found

[00:06:01] in the farthest reaches of our nation, like North Dakota?

[00:06:06] You can find them anywhere.

[00:06:07] I've been overseas.

[00:06:08] I've been in Thailand.

[00:06:09] I've been in Japan.

[00:06:10] Seen Michigan hats.

[00:06:12] You can find them anywhere, baby.

[00:06:14] Go Blue.

[00:06:15] We like that.

[00:06:15] But you have a scarlet curtain behind you, which just throws me off a little bit.

[00:06:20] I call it red.

[00:06:21] I like that.

[00:06:22] I appreciate that.

[00:06:24] Okay, let's get into this.

[00:06:26] First of all, let's start with what was, I think, the biggest weekend headline,

[00:06:30] the big showdown between Texas and Georgia,

[00:06:33] and the bizarre happenings that unfolded in the third quarter.

[00:06:37] Everybody thinks that this, not everybody, a lot of people think that this happened,

[00:06:40] like in the final moments of the game.

[00:06:42] It really didn't.

[00:06:44] Because, and you guys are welcome to correct my recap, but up until halftime,

[00:06:49] Georgia was boat racing Texas.

[00:06:52] They were absolutely dominating everything.

[00:06:55] Although I think we had kind of the feeling that there would be some sort of a rally made

[00:06:59] by the Longhorns.

[00:07:01] And then with like two minutes and 40 seconds to go in the third quarter,

[00:07:06] on a really important play, Texas does this.

[00:07:11] Bring some pressure against back, who stands and delivers on the sideline.

[00:07:15] It's intercepted.

[00:07:17] Picked up right down at the nine.

[00:07:23] There is a flag on the field back at the secondary.

[00:07:28] So hold on.

[00:07:29] I wonder if Smith, it got tied up.

[00:07:32] Did Smith push?

[00:07:33] Or is it defensive holding, as Kirby's saying?

[00:07:36] Definitely contact at the top of that route.

[00:07:39] Matt Leffler talking about it.

[00:07:41] Kirby's pretty confident it was a hold and a gate,

[00:07:43] but would have been an enormous electric takeaway.

[00:07:47] I can't wait for Bill to take a peek at this one,

[00:07:50] to see at the top of the route, if it's defensive holding or offensive.

[00:07:53] Number seven.

[00:07:55] Baldy plays with a spot and foul with an automatic first down.

[00:07:58] So instead of Texas football first and goal,

[00:08:02] Georgia's going to be set up across the 40.

[00:08:05] They're showing the replay.

[00:08:06] The top of the route, you tell me.

[00:08:09] The defender has a right to get in front of him.

[00:08:12] I don't see him holding him.

[00:08:13] I see the offensive player as much attacking him.

[00:08:16] Take that away from the horns having that big turnover.

[00:08:21] Georgia keeps the ball in the first down.

[00:08:23] Okay, so that's what unfolds, by the way, in Texas, right?

[00:08:28] So the home crowd, not so terribly pleased.

[00:08:32] It was, I think, by any fan's measure, you know,

[00:08:35] a guy like me and probably like all of you who didn't have any skin in the game,

[00:08:40] it was just a horrendous pass interference call.

[00:08:44] But raise your hand if your team has ever been on the receiving end

[00:08:47] of a horrendous pass interference call,

[00:08:49] and that would pretty much be all of us.

[00:08:52] So what transpires next is, along with all of the booing that you heard,

[00:08:59] the end zone and the student end gets pummeled, littered with water bottles,

[00:09:05] beer cans, and all those.

[00:09:06] I mean, it's basically, you know, short of malice at the palace,

[00:09:10] it's a pretty good crowd disruption.

[00:09:15] And Sarkeesian, the Texas coach, is throwing a fit over on his sidelines.

[00:09:19] I can't really say as I blame him.

[00:09:21] But here's what unfolds next, and then the three of us,

[00:09:24] the four of us can talk about this.

[00:09:25] Are they talking about the bottles right now being thrown on the field?

[00:09:31] And are they trying to get the – what do you think this discussion is about?

[00:09:36] It could be a discussion about that.

[00:09:38] Personally, I'd leave it alone.

[00:09:40] You're going to have things like this happen once in a great while.

[00:09:44] Leave it alone, move on with the game.

[00:09:46] There was no defensive pass interference.

[00:09:49] Oh, my goodness.

[00:09:49] The ball will be at the nine-yard line.

[00:09:51] Kirby's smoking it.

[00:09:52] I believe it.

[00:09:53] So, Bill LeMagne, a discussion.

[00:09:55] They have changed their call, which is an enormous moment in this game.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:01] Are you surprised they changed it, Bill?

[00:10:03] Yeah, I'm surprised.

[00:10:04] I'd like to know how it came about, who stepped up,

[00:10:07] who came in to talk about it, because it's not reviewable.

[00:10:11] It would have to be an on-field decision.

[00:10:15] Now, they – they took a while to do that.

[00:10:17] Now, we saw him talking.

[00:10:19] We didn't know what was this about, where are the balls located after all the action.

[00:10:23] I knew Kirby – I knew this would light his fuse.

[00:10:27] Well, fuse was lit.

[00:10:28] All right, boys, what did we learn from this episode?

[00:10:31] David Collins.

[00:10:33] I mean, it's hard not to think that it was the delay from all the bottles being thrown onto the field

[00:10:40] that gave them the extra time to discuss what was going on,

[00:10:44] which a lot of people are saying kind of sets a bad precedent for the future.

[00:10:50] If you look at, you know, your team needs a call looked at,

[00:10:54] and all of a sudden you start chucking bottles or doing something,

[00:10:56] a streaker runs out onto the field.

[00:10:58] Anything to give your team more time for the refs to look at a play.

[00:11:04] It was just a really bizarre moment.

[00:11:06] I don't think it's going to lead to anything,

[00:11:08] but that's been kind of the national discourse is,

[00:11:10] oh, my goodness, this is the precedent that it's setting and all that.

[00:11:14] I think it was a bad moment for the refs.

[00:11:17] I think it was a bad call initially, but at the same time,

[00:11:21] it's one of those things where I just think you've got to stick with what you called on the field

[00:11:24] because there's not, you know, you're not, like they said,

[00:11:27] it's not something that's reviewable,

[00:11:29] so it was something that was literally just changed by the refs on the field,

[00:11:33] and they only had the time to review it and think about it once this,

[00:11:38] you know, these bottles started flying onto the field.

[00:11:39] It just turns into a situation where can that be something that teams use to exploit things

[00:11:45] or fans use to try to exploit things?

[00:11:48] I honestly don't think it's going to turn into that,

[00:11:50] but it does set a bad precedent for what could potentially come.

[00:11:54] It's the ultimate in fan involvement.

[00:11:57] If you want first-person immersion into a game,

[00:12:01] Adam, when you saw how all of that unfolded,

[00:12:04] what were your thoughts as a nonpartisan viewer?

[00:12:08] Well, first off, I mean, you have the score.

[00:12:13] Okay.

[00:12:14] It was totally lopsided at that time, right?

[00:12:17] Third quarter.

[00:12:18] Okay.

[00:12:19] After listening to quite a few different takes on this,

[00:12:23] one of the takes that I came away was the question was,

[00:12:27] did the officials ultimately get the call right when they reversed it?

[00:12:32] Was that the true call?

[00:12:35] Was it a really defensive pass interference?

[00:12:39] If you go back and you rewatch it again,

[00:12:41] I mean, there wasn't much at all,

[00:12:44] and I will echo what David said,

[00:12:46] because I feel like as much as you want to think that,

[00:12:50] that it won't happen again,

[00:12:52] that, oh, hey, we can, we can throw bottles.

[00:12:54] We can throw trash.

[00:12:55] We can throw bodies onto the field.

[00:12:57] And they will ultimately change the call our way.

[00:13:01] There's some form of thinking, oh, maybe we could,

[00:13:04] maybe we can sway the officials into the direction that we feel like it

[00:13:09] should have, it should have happened.

[00:13:11] I think it sets a bad precedence for future, for future games.

[00:13:17] Not even when they're that close though.

[00:13:20] Yeah.

[00:13:20] It's almost like, like, I agree with you, bro.

[00:13:22] I think the, the outcome was they got the call correct in my opinion.

[00:13:28] Right.

[00:13:29] But the path they went to, um, went through to get there was, uh,

[00:13:35] if you can figure out a way to,

[00:13:37] to buy the referees some time to discuss their call,

[00:13:40] if you disagree with their call, then maybe, maybe they'll,

[00:13:43] maybe they'll change their minds.

[00:13:44] Like it was interesting to me when he gets back on the microphone,

[00:13:48] whoever the head referee was or head official was,

[00:13:51] he's like after discussion, he didn't say after review.

[00:13:54] He said, after discussion, there was no penalty.

[00:13:59] Um, and so, um, it non-reviewable, whatever I immediately,

[00:14:04] like in my Twitter feed, all the Ohio state stuff,

[00:14:09] all the Ohio state guys that I follow are all talking about, Hey,

[00:14:12] that's what we should have done last week.

[00:14:13] When, uh, when, uh,

[00:14:15] Jeremiah Smith had the call against him and the last drive against Oregon.

[00:14:18] And all of a sudden you immediately go there as a fan.

[00:14:22] I don't know if it will actually come to fruition in future games,

[00:14:27] but I think we might see some creative, um,

[00:14:32] creative implementation of,

[00:14:33] of ways to buy the refs more time to reconsider their decision.

[00:14:37] Let's just, let's just leave it at that.

[00:14:39] David,

[00:14:39] but who was the lions receiver in Dallas on the past interference call that

[00:14:44] was then picked up on the,

[00:14:45] after the face guarding years ago that we're still bitter about when they

[00:14:49] already had marked it off and then came back and just went,

[00:14:51] there's no, there's no interference there.

[00:14:53] Do you remember who was it?

[00:14:54] It was a branded pedigree.

[00:14:55] That's what I thought.

[00:14:57] Branded pedigree.

[00:14:58] And let's not forget, by the way, Paul,

[00:15:00] your Ohio state guys were also had one of the worst pass interference calls

[00:15:06] ever in their favor in my,

[00:15:08] against Miami years ago that got helped them get a national championship.

[00:15:11] So, yeah, I'm not,

[00:15:13] I'm not saying that Ohio state fans are sane or logical at all.

[00:15:18] I'm not.

[00:15:19] Don't hear me saying that.

[00:15:20] I'm just saying that's where they immediately went when the call got

[00:15:23] reversed in the Georgia UT game.

[00:15:25] I think a lot of fan bases kind of had that same reaction, but yeah,

[00:15:29] Bill, going back to what you were just talking about,

[00:15:31] like this is one of those situations.

[00:15:33] That's totally unprecedented.

[00:15:34] That Brandon Pettigrew one was a clear pass interference.

[00:15:37] They marked off the penalty.

[00:15:39] They set the ball.

[00:15:41] They had everything ready to go for play.

[00:15:43] And then all of a sudden without any announcement or anything,

[00:15:45] they just walked the ball back,

[00:15:47] reset it and said it was fourth down.

[00:15:49] Like that was the most bizarre to this day.

[00:15:51] I've never seen anything quite like that.

[00:15:55] But that was ridiculous.

[00:15:57] What's that, Adam?

[00:15:58] I really, really have to relive it.

[00:16:00] I don't want to relive it.

[00:16:02] It's still there.

[00:16:03] We got, we got, we got back at the Cowboys, you know,

[00:16:06] a couple of weeks ago,

[00:16:07] which that was exactly what I expected from, from that.

[00:16:11] Adam,

[00:16:11] I'm still occasionally tweeting out Decker reported.

[00:16:14] So we have very long memories in this world.

[00:16:18] Although I will say this, Paul,

[00:16:21] I don't profess to know every subsection,

[00:16:24] subparagraph of the rule book,

[00:16:26] but I'm not aware of the college football rule book allowing for the

[00:16:33] overturning of a pass interference call after,

[00:16:36] by the way,

[00:16:37] it had also been marked off.

[00:16:39] They had spotted the ball for play and only during cleanup on aisle three,

[00:16:43] did they decide to have a discussion and,

[00:16:46] and put everything.

[00:16:48] I mean, just set the world on fire.

[00:16:50] So, you know,

[00:16:51] you get the,

[00:16:51] you get the explanation from the sec about its officials,

[00:16:54] which is as useful as getting an apology from the big 10,

[00:16:58] which means absolutely nothing.

[00:16:59] After the game,

[00:17:01] Kirby smart,

[00:17:02] of course,

[00:17:02] and they,

[00:17:03] and by the way,

[00:17:03] Georgia,

[00:17:04] if you're not keeping track at home,

[00:17:05] Georgia did win the game.

[00:17:07] So in the end,

[00:17:08] I think the right team won the game,

[00:17:10] even though in that little exchange,

[00:17:13] Georgia got the short,

[00:17:14] short end of the stick from a procedural standpoint,

[00:17:19] probably the right outcome of that play was,

[00:17:22] was finally carried out.

[00:17:23] Here's what Kirby had to say on the field after the game.

[00:17:26] And then I'll play his press conference soundbite.

[00:17:28] Nobody gave us a chance.

[00:17:30] Your whole network doubted us.

[00:17:32] Nobody believed us.

[00:17:33] And then they tried to rob us with calls in this place.

[00:17:37] And these guys are so resilient.

[00:17:39] You know what I mean?

[00:17:40] We talked about intent.

[00:17:41] What was our intent when we walked on the field?

[00:17:43] Our intent was not to take pictures,

[00:17:45] not to do all the superstar stuff.

[00:17:47] Our intent,

[00:17:48] our intent was to eat.

[00:17:50] Our intent was to eat.

[00:17:51] I will,

[00:17:52] we'll deal in a moment with Kirby claiming to be the underdog and

[00:17:55] nobody gave him a chance here in a moment,

[00:17:56] but here is his,

[00:17:58] in the press conference room thoughts about the precedent that was set.

[00:18:02] He just said,

[00:18:02] the guy,

[00:18:03] the guy got it wrong.

[00:18:05] Or the guy called it on the wrong guy,

[00:18:08] which it took him a long time to realize that,

[00:18:11] you know?

[00:18:11] So it's one of those things that I don't know what I'm allowed to say and not

[00:18:14] say.

[00:18:15] So I won't comment because I want to respect the wishes of the SEC office.

[00:18:19] But I will say that now we've set a precedent that if you throw a bunch of

[00:18:23] stuff on the field and endanger athletes,

[00:18:26] that you've got a chance to get your call reversed.

[00:18:28] And that's unfortunate because to me,

[00:18:31] that's dangerous.

[00:18:32] That's not what we want.

[00:18:33] And that's not criticizing officials.

[00:18:36] He's being very careful not to end up with his pocketbook getting dinged.

[00:18:40] I think in all of this,

[00:18:41] at least he didn't end his comments with,

[00:18:43] cause in the SEC,

[00:18:45] it just matters more.

[00:18:46] Right.

[00:18:47] I was kind of hoping he'd end it with who's got it better than us,

[00:18:50] but it didn't,

[00:18:50] didn't work out that way.

[00:18:52] Okay.

[00:18:52] So David,

[00:18:53] the sympathetic positioning of Kirby smart with Georgia as the,

[00:18:58] as the underdog,

[00:18:59] the,

[00:18:59] the David against Texas is Goliath moving into all of this.

[00:19:04] I saw you squirm there in your zoom window.

[00:19:06] And when he said,

[00:19:07] nobody gave us a chance.

[00:19:08] Yeah.

[00:19:09] I mean,

[00:19:11] you've won two out of the last three national championship.

[00:19:13] I just don't like at some point,

[00:19:16] one of these teams has to not use that line.

[00:19:19] It's,

[00:19:19] it's,

[00:19:20] it's just patently ridiculous and absurd at this point.

[00:19:23] Nobody believed in them.

[00:19:25] Nobody.

[00:19:26] I picked them to win.

[00:19:27] I believed in them.

[00:19:28] Like,

[00:19:28] I don't,

[00:19:29] I don't understand this concept of no one believed in us.

[00:19:32] And then they tried to steal it from us.

[00:19:34] Kirby,

[00:19:35] you're great.

[00:19:36] You've won two out of the last three national,

[00:19:38] you've taken the sport from Nick Saban.

[00:19:40] You are now the Nick Saban.

[00:19:42] We all believe in Georgia.

[00:19:44] So stop it.

[00:19:45] It's ridiculous.

[00:19:47] David.

[00:19:48] I'm wondering though,

[00:19:48] if he was mentioning this because college game day,

[00:19:52] every single one of them picked Texas over Georgia,

[00:19:55] every single one of them.

[00:19:56] And then Lee Corso,

[00:19:58] when they did that fireworks,

[00:19:59] smoking all this stuff,

[00:20:00] Texas,

[00:20:01] every single one of them back,

[00:20:03] Pat McAfee was all over,

[00:20:07] all over Texas when they were getting ready to do the picks.

[00:20:10] So I'm wondering if that's kind of where the,

[00:20:12] it was coming from.

[00:20:14] I think that is what it is.

[00:20:16] It's,

[00:20:16] it's national media people like hyping Texas.

[00:20:19] Like they always do.

[00:20:20] Sure.

[00:20:20] But the,

[00:20:21] but the reality is you ask just about anybody on the street that,

[00:20:25] you know,

[00:20:25] that likes college football.

[00:20:27] Hey,

[00:20:27] do you believe Georgia's really,

[00:20:28] really good?

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] Yeah.

[00:20:30] I mean,

[00:20:30] it's not,

[00:20:31] it's not really that much of a con it's,

[00:20:33] it's yeah,

[00:20:33] it's the talking heads,

[00:20:35] et cetera.

[00:20:35] And then,

[00:20:36] you know,

[00:20:36] the,

[00:20:36] the Texas head gear,

[00:20:38] but the reality is,

[00:20:39] I mean,

[00:20:39] I look at it and I like,

[00:20:41] you look at Texas,

[00:20:42] you look at Bama,

[00:20:43] you look at Tennessee,

[00:20:44] you look at Georgia,

[00:20:45] those teams have,

[00:20:46] they're all equal as far as their talent goes and their athletes go.

[00:20:50] Any one of them could win any week that they play.

[00:20:52] So I look at it and say,

[00:20:55] maybe you don't believe in them that they're the best team in the country.

[00:20:58] Fine.

[00:20:59] I mean,

[00:20:59] I still think they probably are,

[00:21:00] but at the same time,

[00:21:02] you still have to believe that they are one of the two to three best teams in

[00:21:07] the country.

[00:21:07] And if that's the case,

[00:21:08] then people believe in you.

[00:21:10] Yes.

[00:21:11] Yes.

[00:21:12] That's very well said.

[00:21:13] And by the way,

[00:21:16] those teams,

[00:21:17] after they win,

[00:21:19] a conference title or a national title,

[00:21:22] have figured out a way to restock the roster for all of the players that

[00:21:29] end up going to play at the next level.

[00:21:33] As we move on to talk about the big interstate Paul Bunyan trophy game this

[00:21:39] week,

[00:21:40] one of the teams still has partially empty cupboards and they,

[00:21:44] they aren't really all that good.

[00:21:45] That'd be the team in East Lansing.

[00:21:47] The team from Ann Arbor,

[00:21:49] my alma mater coming off of a national championship.

[00:21:52] Adam seemed to,

[00:21:55] I don't,

[00:21:55] I can't say they didn't think about the cupboard being bare,

[00:21:59] but the cupboard is bare,

[00:22:00] whether they thought about it or not.

[00:22:02] And it is a mess.

[00:22:03] Can anybody on,

[00:22:04] in fact,

[00:22:05] David,

[00:22:05] I wondered if you were going to join us on the podcast tonight,

[00:22:07] because you might be down at the open auditions for quarterback.

[00:22:10] I think you've still got something left in the arm down there.

[00:22:13] So how can somebody in Ann Arbor,

[00:22:16] please play quarterback.

[00:22:18] Yeah.

[00:22:19] I mean,

[00:22:19] I mean,

[00:22:20] you're starting to see it that it taught,

[00:22:22] they talked about Michigan being back in potentially on that LSU five-star

[00:22:25] quarterback.

[00:22:26] You have Dave Portnoy basically tweeting out,

[00:22:29] don't worry,

[00:22:29] Michigan fans.

[00:22:30] I'm on it.

[00:22:31] Like he's promised multiple millions of dollars to get a quarterback in Ann

[00:22:34] Arbor.

[00:22:35] I think that to me is the biggest failure of,

[00:22:40] of the new regime.

[00:22:41] And,

[00:22:41] and you don't want to look at it and say,

[00:22:44] Hey,

[00:22:44] you've got to oust them now.

[00:22:45] And you've got to make all these changes.

[00:22:47] But the reality that you go into this season with probably the best

[00:22:51] defensive line,

[00:22:52] almost in college football with Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham and Josiah

[00:22:55] Stewart,

[00:22:56] you've got Will Johnson,

[00:22:58] you've got Colson.

[00:22:58] You've got,

[00:22:59] you've got first rounders all up and down this roster still,

[00:23:02] and you're going to waste that year of their talent.

[00:23:05] Those guys are all gone next year.

[00:23:07] You're starting from essentially scratch.

[00:23:09] This was your chance as Sharon Moore to do something and step up and make

[00:23:14] some kind of a statement about here's where we're going in the future.

[00:23:17] We've got it under control and you can't roll out a guy that can throw a

[00:23:20] ball.

[00:23:21] I'm watching Indiana throw the ball.

[00:23:23] I'm watching Illinois throw the ball.

[00:23:24] They've got all the,

[00:23:25] where are these guys?

[00:23:26] Why can't we go get one of these guys?

[00:23:28] Dylan Rayola and all these guys all over the big 10 are flinging the ball

[00:23:33] around and,

[00:23:34] and Michigan's like third and third and three.

[00:23:37] And you're like,

[00:23:37] Oh boy,

[00:23:38] this is going to be a punt because we just don't have a guy that can throw

[00:23:41] it.

[00:23:42] It's,

[00:23:42] it's,

[00:23:42] it's kind of embarrassing that,

[00:23:44] that this it's fallen.

[00:23:46] And I know McCarthy was good,

[00:23:47] but you can't find a single guy that can push the ball eight to 10 yards

[00:23:53] downfield on a consistent basis that can throw a slant that can throw an eight

[00:23:57] yard out.

[00:23:57] You,

[00:23:58] we don't have a guy that can literally throw the ball.

[00:24:01] It's insanity to me.

[00:24:03] And the receiver inventory is not very thick either.

[00:24:06] So Adam out there in North Dakota,

[00:24:08] what's the analysis of the maize and blue as they prepare for the green and

[00:24:13] white.

[00:24:14] Oh man.

[00:24:16] I'll tell you what I knew coming into this year,

[00:24:19] just thinking,

[00:24:20] you know,

[00:24:20] we lost so many,

[00:24:21] my,

[00:24:22] my biggest question along with what David was talking about was how are we

[00:24:27] going to fix the QB situation?

[00:24:29] That's a big problem.

[00:24:30] I mean,

[00:24:30] just in last,

[00:24:31] last week's game,

[00:24:33] mind you,

[00:24:34] I'm also the cook here at camp as well.

[00:24:35] So I'm cooking while I'm watching the game.

[00:24:37] So I'm watching it.

[00:24:38] Every time I look up at the screen,

[00:24:40] why is it that the ball is hitting the ground?

[00:24:42] We can't even get the ball to our receivers.

[00:24:44] And so I looked that up.

[00:24:46] I don't know if anybody,

[00:24:46] any of you caught it or not,

[00:24:47] but the question of why didn't Sharon Moore visit the transfer portal for

[00:24:53] another QB.

[00:24:54] And what was his response?

[00:24:55] I can't remember what his response was,

[00:24:56] but we got it covered.

[00:24:58] We got something covered.

[00:24:59] Then you look at it.

[00:24:59] It's like,

[00:24:59] there's nothing.

[00:25:01] There's absolutely nothing.

[00:25:03] And that worries me because MSU,

[00:25:06] it should be an easy win.

[00:25:08] It should be.

[00:25:09] I don't think it,

[00:25:10] I think they're not going to make it as easy as,

[00:25:11] as I think it is.

[00:25:12] But I came into this year already thinking,

[00:25:15] man,

[00:25:15] what are we going to be like three and something?

[00:25:17] Or can we even pull out three wins in the,

[00:25:19] in the year?

[00:25:21] I don't know guys.

[00:25:22] I just,

[00:25:23] it's been one of those,

[00:25:25] you know,

[00:25:25] it's a reversal.

[00:25:26] My lions are doing fantastic.

[00:25:29] My university of Michigan is just,

[00:25:31] oh,

[00:25:32] so sad.

[00:25:33] But,

[00:25:33] but Adam,

[00:25:34] you absolutely nailed it.

[00:25:35] You said going into this season,

[00:25:37] you were worried about the quarterback situation going into the season.

[00:25:40] I was worried about this quarterback situation.

[00:25:42] Why going into the season was Sharon more,

[00:25:45] not worried about this quarterback situation.

[00:25:47] That's the frustrating thing.

[00:25:48] We can see it.

[00:25:49] And we're just fans.

[00:25:50] Now we're going to go play.

[00:25:51] If we had childs that Sparty has,

[00:25:54] we'd be much better offensively.

[00:25:56] Like we,

[00:25:56] anything other than what we had coming into the season.

[00:25:59] And this team could actually be pretty decent,

[00:26:02] but instead.

[00:26:04] Yeah.

[00:26:05] I think we've got,

[00:26:06] I might be,

[00:26:07] I might be tripping here.

[00:26:08] I had this little conversation with Paul a little bit because we had,

[00:26:12] we had a bye week last week.

[00:26:13] Okay.

[00:26:14] Why didn't we figure things out over this bye week?

[00:26:19] I don't understand.

[00:26:20] Cause then going into the next game,

[00:26:21] it's almost like you had a full two weeks to figure out some,

[00:26:26] you know,

[00:26:27] we don't have a really good quarterback,

[00:26:28] but to figure something out,

[00:26:30] why not throw Jaden Davis out there?

[00:26:32] Just,

[00:26:32] just what I'm wondering.

[00:26:34] That's what I was wondering.

[00:26:35] Why not?

[00:26:35] Why?

[00:26:36] And now the questions are starting to circulate and we're what halfway,

[00:26:40] not even much,

[00:26:40] halfway through.

[00:26:42] Is he the right coach?

[00:26:43] Did,

[00:26:44] did he,

[00:26:44] was he given a little too much responsibility?

[00:26:46] And was he even ready?

[00:26:47] Because if you think back,

[00:26:48] remember when,

[00:26:49] uh,

[00:26:50] uh,

[00:26:50] when,

[00:26:50] when Jim Harbaugh had hit,

[00:26:52] had to fulfill his suspension responsibilities,

[00:26:55] Sharon Moore filled,

[00:26:56] filled in.

[00:26:57] And everybody's like,

[00:26:58] Oh,

[00:26:58] he's,

[00:26:59] he's the bee's knees.

[00:26:59] He's going to take over.

[00:27:01] We know Jim's going to go to the NFL.

[00:27:03] We know that.

[00:27:05] So here,

[00:27:06] here comes this guy,

[00:27:06] you know,

[00:27:07] we got,

[00:27:07] we got him.

[00:27:07] Was it too much responsibility right out front for someone who was even ready

[00:27:13] to take over the head coaching position?

[00:27:15] Yeah.

[00:27:16] And,

[00:27:16] and not only that,

[00:27:17] but we saw what he was last year.

[00:27:19] JJ McCarthy through eight weeks of the season was the betting favorite to win

[00:27:23] the Heisman because his passing numbers were so great.

[00:27:26] Sharon Moore took over for the last four games of the regular season,

[00:27:30] including the big 10 championship game.

[00:27:32] And what happened?

[00:27:32] We turned into a completely different team that ran the ball and only threw

[00:27:36] when we had to,

[00:27:37] it turned,

[00:27:38] he showed you what he was at the end of last season.

[00:27:41] JJ McCarthy went from betting favorite to not even on the Heisman odds by

[00:27:44] the end of the season.

[00:27:45] And we won the championship.

[00:27:46] And I'm thankful for that.

[00:27:47] And I love what we did last year,

[00:27:49] but he showed you what he was.

[00:27:51] And then he comes into this year without a JJ McCarthy.

[00:27:54] And now what?

[00:27:56] Like if Mullings doesn't break a 60 yarder against USC,

[00:27:59] we lose that game too.

[00:28:01] Like it's,

[00:28:01] it's just,

[00:28:02] it's frustrating because it's things that any fan can see,

[00:28:05] but we don't get to make any of those decisions.

[00:28:08] Of course.

[00:28:09] Like I said,

[00:28:10] the biggest question now is,

[00:28:11] is he the right guy for the team?

[00:28:14] Or is this just still one of those,

[00:28:17] it's too early to make a critical decision for the University of Michigan?

[00:28:22] You know what I mean?

[00:28:22] We dropped what?

[00:28:25] I'm trying to think we were what?

[00:28:28] Where'd we drop?

[00:28:29] I can't even find ourselves.

[00:28:30] No,

[00:28:31] we were at 10 at one point,

[00:28:32] which was laughable.

[00:28:33] That was silly.

[00:28:33] Yeah.

[00:28:34] And,

[00:28:34] and then all of a sudden it's like,

[00:28:35] we're not even in the top 25.

[00:28:37] No,

[00:28:37] we shouldn't be.

[00:28:38] Well,

[00:28:38] of course I don't know,

[00:28:40] not at all.

[00:28:41] Yeah.

[00:28:41] So my question is,

[00:28:43] is the cupboard more bare at quarterback or at receiver?

[00:28:48] Do these,

[00:28:49] do these not great quarterbacks have targets to throw to that are getting open?

[00:28:55] I'm not really sure.

[00:28:57] There's a game breaking receiver who's being underutilized on this team.

[00:29:02] When I,

[00:29:02] when I get a chance to see the,

[00:29:04] the wider shots,

[00:29:05] not the all 22s,

[00:29:07] but the wider shots.

[00:29:10] Granted,

[00:29:10] these guys are not accurate throwing the ball,

[00:29:12] but I'm not sure where they're supposed to throw it.

[00:29:14] Yeah.

[00:29:14] But that,

[00:29:14] that has to do with coaching and scheme.

[00:29:16] I mean,

[00:29:17] you,

[00:29:17] you can find like name the last time we've thrown a slant.

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:22] Like we haven't thrown a slant.

[00:29:23] We've got guys that can get open three yards down the field on a slant.

[00:29:27] Like we,

[00:29:28] but we don't do that.

[00:29:29] We only throw to Colston Loveland.

[00:29:31] That's it.

[00:29:31] But we don't do anything.

[00:29:33] We don't do any tricky motions.

[00:29:35] We don't do anything where we're challenging teams in the middle of the field.

[00:29:38] It's,

[00:29:39] it's nothing.

[00:29:40] Yes.

[00:29:40] I agree.

[00:29:40] We don't have a ton of talent.

[00:29:42] And I will say this,

[00:29:43] Adam,

[00:29:43] I think you have to give more,

[00:29:45] at least a year of full,

[00:29:47] full out recruiting this,

[00:29:49] this coming year to see what's going to happen.

[00:29:51] Cause he did get that five-star O-lineman.

[00:29:54] Like there is a chance that he could prove that he's a good recruiter,

[00:29:57] but I do agree with you also at the same time,

[00:29:59] we gave Juwan Howard way too much time.

[00:30:02] Like there,

[00:30:02] there's,

[00:30:03] there's a point where you have to look at it and go,

[00:30:04] are we going to cut our losses?

[00:30:06] Or are we going to just continue to sit in this because we're Michigan and this

[00:30:11] is a Michigan man.

[00:30:12] And this was a Michigan man decision.

[00:30:13] And that's the tough call that you have to make,

[00:30:15] but you've got to upgrade the receivers.

[00:30:17] You've got to find a quarterback and you're losing all of your first round talent on defense.

[00:30:22] Like you're,

[00:30:23] you're going to be,

[00:30:24] you're going to be on your own next year.

[00:30:25] You're hanging out to dry.

[00:30:26] And that's when we're really going to see what he has.

[00:30:28] Right.

[00:30:28] I agree.

[00:30:29] Paul sitting down there in Columbus,

[00:30:30] just kind of laughing a little bit here and kind of thinking,

[00:30:34] and by the way,

[00:30:35] Paul,

[00:30:35] your,

[00:30:35] your Buckeyes are going to do very bad things to my Wolverines in a few weeks.

[00:30:39] I'm very,

[00:30:40] I'm looking for maybe another,

[00:30:42] like is COVID still around?

[00:30:43] Cause it may not be safe for us to go down here and play.

[00:30:46] I,

[00:30:46] I'm trying really hard not to say things like you could have had Kyle McCord,

[00:30:51] you know,

[00:30:52] kind of stuff.

[00:30:53] Yep.

[00:30:54] But I do think it's scheme,

[00:30:56] David.

[00:30:57] My question is the reason I say that is because Julian Fleming transfers from Ohio

[00:31:01] state.

[00:31:01] He started at Ohio state,

[00:31:03] which is known to be a semi prolific passing offense.

[00:31:06] And he goes to Penn state and he's nothing.

[00:31:08] He's,

[00:31:09] he's like nothing.

[00:31:10] Right.

[00:31:10] And so my question is what are the criteria on which you make a decision about

[00:31:16] Sharon more?

[00:31:17] Is it just,

[00:31:18] you are what your record is?

[00:31:20] Is it recruiting?

[00:31:21] Is it just like the board of regents or whatever are going to call Ward

[00:31:26] manual and,

[00:31:26] and say,

[00:31:27] Hey,

[00:31:28] it's time to have a conversation.

[00:31:30] What?

[00:31:31] Well,

[00:31:31] let me jump in for just a quick second and then I'll,

[00:31:33] I'll turn it loose to David and Adam.

[00:31:35] I'm also mindful of the reality of the recruiting efforts that probably were going on,

[00:31:42] but these kids were either uncertain or were very certain.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:48] The coach Harbaugh wasn't going to be there.

[00:31:50] Coach mentor was going to be there.

[00:31:52] Herbert wasn't going to be there that all the guys that were in their living rooms,

[00:31:55] recruiting them were probably saying to them,

[00:31:58] it's pretty,

[00:31:58] pretty good chance.

[00:31:59] We're not going to be here.

[00:32:00] That's a problem.

[00:32:02] Yeah.

[00:32:02] Maybe,

[00:32:03] maybe,

[00:32:03] I don't know.

[00:32:04] Maybe Sharon was,

[00:32:05] was doing his due diligence as a recruiter,

[00:32:09] but was up against an unwinnable situation because of a glorious last season.

[00:32:15] Is that a possibility?

[00:32:16] I mean,

[00:32:16] it's,

[00:32:17] it's a possibility.

[00:32:18] I mean,

[00:32:18] he was left,

[00:32:20] you know,

[00:32:21] with the whole,

[00:32:22] is Harbaugh going to leave?

[00:32:22] Is he going to stay the NCAA?

[00:32:24] Are they going to hammer down,

[00:32:25] you know,

[00:32:26] on Michigan?

[00:32:26] There was a lot going into,

[00:32:28] which is why I think you need to give him a year or so,

[00:32:30] maybe two,

[00:32:31] to actually get a full recruiting,

[00:32:33] like a couple full,

[00:32:35] you know,

[00:32:36] recruiting sessions out of,

[00:32:37] you know,

[00:32:38] just to see what he's bringing in.

[00:32:40] But to answer your question,

[00:32:41] Paul,

[00:32:41] like it's hard to explain,

[00:32:44] but it's,

[00:32:45] it's,

[00:32:45] you're,

[00:32:45] you're playing not,

[00:32:46] now you're,

[00:32:47] you're not playing two good teams a season.

[00:32:50] You're playing five good teams a season.

[00:32:53] And so if you're not competitive and USC,

[00:32:56] at this point,

[00:32:57] having lost to Michigan and who else did they lose to?

[00:33:00] Maryland,

[00:33:01] was it?

[00:33:02] Or Minnesota?

[00:33:02] They lost one of those teams.

[00:33:03] Yeah.

[00:33:04] They've shown that they're not that good,

[00:33:06] but you've got Oregon and they're not going away.

[00:33:08] And you've got Ohio state and they're not going away.

[00:33:10] And you've got Penn state and they actually won a game that

[00:33:12] Franklin always loses at USC.

[00:33:15] Like you've got these teams that aren't going away.

[00:33:17] So if you're not competitive against those teams,

[00:33:20] that's when you have to cut bait because you're simply saying,

[00:33:22] we're just okay.

[00:33:24] Finishing fourth or fifth in this conference every year.

[00:33:26] And that's not,

[00:33:27] that's not what Michigan's about.

[00:33:29] Yeah.

[00:33:29] Do you guys think,

[00:33:30] do you think the,

[00:33:31] the what's the NCAA going to do thing causes Michigan to have to not tank

[00:33:38] their way through a season,

[00:33:39] but just not,

[00:33:40] do you think that's a thing for guys?

[00:33:42] I was surprised when that Babylon or whatever his name is,

[00:33:46] the five-star offensive tackle sign.

[00:33:47] And I was like,

[00:33:48] okay,

[00:33:48] there's a top 10 recruit in the country.

[00:33:50] Who's clearly not worried about what's going to happen or not happen in

[00:33:53] Michigan.

[00:33:53] So maybe,

[00:33:54] I don't know.

[00:33:55] That brings me to what I think is the real reason for the struggles this

[00:33:59] season.

[00:34:00] And I think this is next level thinking that will eventually prove that Ward

[00:34:03] manual is playing 4d chess and Sharon Moore is playing there with him.

[00:34:08] I think Michigan has decided to self-impose a bowl ban on the team this

[00:34:14] year as part of a bargain with the NCAA and have then instructed the

[00:34:19] quarterbacks to be horrendous.

[00:34:21] I think it's all part of an intentional strategy and it's,

[00:34:24] I mean,

[00:34:25] it's working to,

[00:34:26] to perfection right now.

[00:34:28] You can't ask for much more.

[00:34:29] I tried that with a straight face as best I could.

[00:34:31] No,

[00:34:32] you're,

[00:34:32] you're good.

[00:34:32] I mean,

[00:34:33] I struggle a little bit.

[00:34:34] I,

[00:34:34] I agree with David about,

[00:34:36] you know,

[00:34:36] giving more time.

[00:34:39] Cause you're right.

[00:34:39] He did basically pick up where Jim left off.

[00:34:43] Um,

[00:34:43] I don't know how much time that would be because it kind of scares me the

[00:34:47] rest of the schedule.

[00:34:49] I mean,

[00:34:50] yeah.

[00:34:51] MSU that whatever I would love to see.

[00:34:54] I don't know what the score is even going to be on that one.

[00:34:56] I mean,

[00:34:56] my worry is we have Oregon after that and you got,

[00:35:01] you got a seven or no team coming.

[00:35:03] I,

[00:35:04] Oh my gosh.

[00:35:04] I mean,

[00:35:05] I just,

[00:35:05] it's going to be a bloodbath.

[00:35:07] And,

[00:35:08] uh,

[00:35:08] my hope is that at least we can see a little bit of creativity.

[00:35:12] Creativity coming out,

[00:35:13] but maybe Bill,

[00:35:15] maybe you're,

[00:35:15] maybe,

[00:35:15] maybe you're our thinking,

[00:35:18] thinking as far as like a future,

[00:35:19] you know,

[00:35:20] this year is this can,

[00:35:21] we knew it was going to be this year.

[00:35:22] Maybe it is setting up for a 2025.

[00:35:24] It's just next level thinking.

[00:35:27] A 2030 run.

[00:35:29] So David,

[00:35:30] uh,

[00:35:30] here on,

[00:35:31] here on the podcast,

[00:35:31] as we close out MSU,

[00:35:33] U of M talk,

[00:35:35] uh,

[00:35:35] how does the game turn out?

[00:35:37] And in predict for us,

[00:35:38] if you would,

[00:35:39] Michigan's total passing yardage.

[00:35:42] Saturday evening in Ann Arbor.

[00:35:43] I mean,

[00:35:44] I don't know.

[00:35:45] Like I,

[00:35:45] I,

[00:35:46] I tend not to try to get too down,

[00:35:48] but the reality is,

[00:35:49] is I,

[00:35:50] I don't,

[00:35:51] I don't see where the offense is coming from with this team.

[00:35:54] Do I think that we have better athletes up front and we should dominate them in the trenches?

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:59] Is it going to be a close game?

[00:36:01] Probably because outside of last year,

[00:36:03] they tend to keep it close with us.

[00:36:05] But I mean,

[00:36:06] if we threw for 125 yards,

[00:36:08] I'd be surprised.

[00:36:09] Carl Adam,

[00:36:09] what are you seeing shaping up Saturday?

[00:36:12] Yeah,

[00:36:13] I,

[00:36:13] I agree.

[00:36:14] I'm thinking maybe one,

[00:36:15] one 60,

[00:36:16] one 70 on the passing.

[00:36:18] As far as that goes,

[00:36:19] I think it's going to be,

[00:36:20] I'm thinking way more on as far as running,

[00:36:23] keeping it on the ground.

[00:36:24] As far as score goes,

[00:36:25] I'm thinking it's going to be another,

[00:36:26] maybe another tight one,

[00:36:27] but it's going to be somewhere in the twenties.

[00:36:30] I'm not thinking it's going to be big.

[00:36:31] I think it's not going to be a blowout,

[00:36:33] but I think it's going to be a,

[00:36:35] it'll be sort of close.

[00:36:37] If you think,

[00:36:37] I guess a one score game.

[00:36:39] Yeah.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:40] That seems safe.

[00:36:42] Let's go to pro football here for a moment before we dive into a WNBA briefly.

[00:36:47] Paul,

[00:36:48] no,

[00:36:48] no,

[00:36:49] no offense,

[00:36:50] but our lions right now are kind of fun to talk about.

[00:36:54] And your bears had the week.

[00:36:55] I think your bears had the week off.

[00:36:56] So they pull out a game in Minnesota that I didn't think they were going to win.

[00:37:01] And they did it in dramatic fashion.

[00:37:03] Their first game without their defensive star,

[00:37:06] they overcome an uncharacteristic late fumble by the running back Montgomery,

[00:37:10] who's been as good as any back in the league this year.

[00:37:13] And it's turned into a touchdown.

[00:37:14] And all of a sudden we have a ball game last two minute drill.

[00:37:17] Jared golf continues to be the MVP of the league.

[00:37:19] If it was voted on today,

[00:37:22] I don't know how you could pick anybody else.

[00:37:24] Maybe,

[00:37:24] maybe Lamar would have a little claim to that.

[00:37:27] And then it all comes down to a,

[00:37:29] a kick by a guy who was selling bricks.

[00:37:33] David,

[00:37:34] is this,

[00:37:34] is this the real deal lions team?

[00:37:37] Yeah,

[00:37:37] it is.

[00:37:38] I mean,

[00:37:39] I don't,

[00:37:39] I don't,

[00:37:40] I don't,

[00:37:40] I don't think you can look at another team in the league and say that there is a

[00:37:43] more complete team.

[00:37:44] I mean,

[00:37:45] the,

[00:37:45] the,

[00:37:45] the teams I would look at and say the best teams in the NFL would be the

[00:37:48] Ravens,

[00:37:49] the chiefs,

[00:37:50] even though my homes has not played well at all.

[00:37:53] He's putting up Bo Nix numbers.

[00:37:55] And then the lions,

[00:37:56] like to me,

[00:37:56] those are the,

[00:37:57] those are the three best teams in the league to lose Aiden Hutchinson.

[00:38:00] And to have to come up with an entirely different creative defensive scheme in

[00:38:04] order to keep that game going.

[00:38:06] We couldn't get pressure,

[00:38:07] but we found a way on the back end with Brian branch and some other guys,

[00:38:11] our linebackers played out of their minds.

[00:38:13] That game,

[00:38:14] they were Anzalone.

[00:38:16] And I forget the other guy's name,

[00:38:18] 53 or 58.

[00:38:20] He was,

[00:38:20] he was playing well.

[00:38:21] Jack Campbell was,

[00:38:22] was great in the run game.

[00:38:23] The thing that impresses me so much is the,

[00:38:25] is with the offense and you see them do things that team,

[00:38:29] Brian Flores,

[00:38:30] his team,

[00:38:31] the lions have beat him the last three times.

[00:38:33] And we're the only team that seems to be able to figure out Brian Flores.

[00:38:37] He blitzes like crazy.

[00:38:39] He brings all these extra guys.

[00:38:40] And in the first couple of drives of the game,

[00:38:42] you saw they got to golf.

[00:38:44] They sacked him a couple of times.

[00:38:45] They got that early lead.

[00:38:46] But as the game progressed,

[00:38:48] you started to see all this stuff Ben Johnson was doing.

[00:38:50] That was fascinating.

[00:38:52] Tim Patrick has been unbelievable for us.

[00:38:55] They would motion him across and he would take out a defensive end or a

[00:38:58] linebacker on the side to give golf extra time.

[00:39:01] That's what sprung that Amin Ross St.

[00:39:03] Brown touchdown,

[00:39:04] that deep shot.

[00:39:05] It was Tim Patrick blocking a defensive lineman motioning across the field.

[00:39:09] That's something you just don't see a lot of teams doing.

[00:39:11] And it's that creativity from the offense.

[00:39:14] We're going to be able to put up points on just about anybody.

[00:39:16] The question is,

[00:39:18] are we going to be able to put pressure on opposing quarterbacks?

[00:39:21] Cause Darnold had all day to throw most of that game.

[00:39:24] And while we played well,

[00:39:26] and we did get to him with Pascal late in the game when we needed to,

[00:39:30] that's one of those situations where obviously you're not going to get a Max

[00:39:33] Crosby.

[00:39:34] Cause that's going to be what three first round picks,

[00:39:36] but you,

[00:39:37] you've got to find something that you can feel like they're talking about,

[00:39:41] uh,

[00:39:42] was it James Houston filling in that role?

[00:39:44] And you're going to have to fill that with some other guys,

[00:39:46] but that's such an important position.

[00:39:48] We had 15 pressures this week against Minnesota.

[00:39:53] Aiden Hutchinson had 15 pressures last week alone before he got hurt.

[00:39:58] You've got to fill that gap.

[00:40:00] You have to do something on the outside in order to,

[00:40:04] to get pressure on some of these quarterbacks or they'll pick you apart.

[00:40:07] So would you give up two number ones for Max Crosby?

[00:40:10] Yes.

[00:40:11] Yes,

[00:40:12] absolutely.

[00:40:14] I'm with you.

[00:40:16] Oakland would never,

[00:40:17] or Las Vegas would never do it.

[00:40:18] They're not going to do it.

[00:40:19] He came out with that statement of,

[00:40:21] I will not leave,

[00:40:21] but you know,

[00:40:23] again,

[00:40:24] throw a little money chance to come back home.

[00:40:28] Mark Davis himself would have to sign off on it.

[00:40:30] Cause Max Crosby is the entire face of that franchise.

[00:40:34] There's no way they're like,

[00:40:35] he's the only thing that is bringing hope to the Raiders,

[00:40:38] but I've heard it said this,

[00:40:40] this way for someone,

[00:40:41] you know,

[00:40:42] someone who says it the way that Crosby said,

[00:40:44] it sounds like a guy from the Raiders who wants to leave the Raiders.

[00:40:48] Yeah,

[00:40:48] you're right,

[00:40:49] bro.

[00:40:49] And there's this thing for me,

[00:40:51] like I think Dan Campbell and Max Crosby in the same,

[00:40:56] like space would be scary.

[00:40:59] Would be.

[00:40:59] I just think that would be scary.

[00:41:01] Here's Campbell post game after the big win against the Vikings.

[00:41:04] To say that I'm proud of you would be the massive understatement.

[00:41:07] That's the way to come in here.

[00:41:08] Everything we talked about from the time we got the halftime to the way we had to finish it out,

[00:41:13] man.

[00:41:14] Composure,

[00:41:15] right?

[00:41:15] Communication,

[00:41:16] latitude,

[00:41:17] patience,

[00:41:18] patience.

[00:41:19] My God,

[00:41:20] man,

[00:41:20] you guys didn't bat an eye.

[00:41:21] I love this freaking team.

[00:41:23] I love the coaches.

[00:41:24] I love the players.

[00:41:25] I love everything about it,

[00:41:26] man.

[00:41:26] We are so freaking hard.

[00:41:28] That is an outstanding win.

[00:41:29] We are one and O in the division.

[00:41:30] Oh man.

[00:41:31] Through the wall.

[00:41:32] Oh man.

[00:41:33] I love that.

[00:41:33] Everybody through the wall.

[00:41:35] David,

[00:41:36] I know you have to run.

[00:41:37] I just want to real quickly make sure you're okay because there's a threat that the WNBA players may hold out.

[00:41:47] Are you going to be okay if that happens without WNBA action?

[00:41:52] I mean,

[00:41:53] the reality is they should.

[00:41:54] They should hold out for more money.

[00:41:55] They've upped their TV value a ton.

[00:41:58] They've become a talking point in all mainstream media.

[00:42:02] I think it's really great for what they're doing for their sport.

[00:42:07] Like,

[00:42:07] it's fantastic.

[00:42:07] I personally don't watch the WNBA,

[00:42:10] but I mean,

[00:42:12] it's because I have old sports habits and like,

[00:42:14] it's,

[00:42:14] you know,

[00:42:15] I kind of watch the sports I've been watching my whole life,

[00:42:18] but I think it's,

[00:42:19] you know,

[00:42:20] I think it's a really,

[00:42:21] really cool thing.

[00:42:23] And I'm glad they're getting their shine.

[00:42:25] And,

[00:42:25] and yeah,

[00:42:26] I would hold out if it meant for,

[00:42:27] meant for more money because they've honestly earned it.

[00:42:29] League lost $50 million somehow this year.

[00:42:32] Somehow.

[00:42:33] That's what the NBA worth more.

[00:42:34] That's what the NBA subsidizing them.

[00:42:36] They lost $50 million.

[00:42:38] Yeah.

[00:42:38] I mean,

[00:42:39] I don't pretend to understand the economics of it,

[00:42:42] but with players demanding a minimum $1 million salary,

[00:42:45] which would take some of them up from 60,000,

[00:42:48] I would see that would be an economic issue at some point.

[00:42:52] But,

[00:42:52] you know,

[00:42:53] the talk is that they either are going to get locked out or hold out or

[00:42:56] something,

[00:42:57] which given how that league has mangled the best thing that's ever

[00:43:02] happened to the league in a publicity standpoint,

[00:43:06] I wouldn't recommend you try going away for a while because people are

[00:43:09] going to say,

[00:43:10] Oh,

[00:43:10] well,

[00:43:10] that's a unique novelty for a little bit.

[00:43:12] Now let's move on to something else.

[00:43:14] Adam,

[00:43:15] how big is WNBA action there in North Dakota?

[00:43:19] WNBA?

[00:43:21] Yes.

[00:43:22] It's,

[00:43:23] I don't know.

[00:43:23] I don't,

[00:43:24] I don't,

[00:43:24] I don't follow them a lot actually at all.

[00:43:28] It's not really been in my wheelhouse.

[00:43:29] I actually had to research a little bit when,

[00:43:32] when Paul texted me,

[00:43:33] y'all were going to talk about that.

[00:43:34] I didn't even know.

[00:43:35] All I knew about was this Caitlin,

[00:43:39] what's her name?

[00:43:40] Clark.

[00:43:40] Caitlin Clark.

[00:43:41] Yeah.

[00:43:42] Bringing her on and completely changing the,

[00:43:45] the,

[00:43:45] the,

[00:43:46] the WNBA scene and bringing focus onto them more.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:49] I mean,

[00:43:50] they got to hold out to get more money.

[00:43:52] I,

[00:43:53] how much more money though?

[00:43:55] I mean,

[00:43:56] what,

[00:43:57] what,

[00:43:57] what are we talking here?

[00:43:58] You know,

[00:43:59] I,

[00:43:59] I,

[00:43:59] I read that.

[00:44:02] What was it?

[00:44:02] They were locked into a 11 year media deal for $200 million a year.

[00:44:08] I don't know.

[00:44:09] I don't know what the numbers are.

[00:44:10] I just,

[00:44:10] I,

[00:44:11] I,

[00:44:11] I know that they have been literally kept alive like electric vehicles.

[00:44:16] They've been subsidized by a different entity than their own.

[00:44:20] Sure.

[00:44:20] Yeah.

[00:44:20] And the NBA is still writing those checks.

[00:44:23] So it's a really strange time to get a little high on your horse and say,

[00:44:27] no,

[00:44:27] you people need us.

[00:44:28] In fact,

[00:44:29] we're going to hold out.

[00:44:30] I still think it's gonna,

[00:44:31] I don't think it's going to pan out very well.

[00:44:33] I'm not wishing.

[00:44:34] Here's my thing.

[00:44:35] Here's my thing,

[00:44:36] Bill.

[00:44:36] I remember when the women's national soccer team was playing the same card,

[00:44:41] right?

[00:44:41] They're saying we want,

[00:44:42] their thing was they want equal pay with the men's national team.

[00:44:46] And the problem was the revenue on the women's side of professional soccer

[00:44:50] weight and national team soccer way down compared to what the men's sport

[00:44:56] would generate.

[00:44:57] And they pulled it off.

[00:44:58] They got what they asked for.

[00:45:00] And I think that's what David's saying when he says you might as well.

[00:45:03] Right.

[00:45:03] And so I don't,

[00:45:04] I would be shocked.

[00:45:06] My fear for the WNBA is that they're overvaluing.

[00:45:11] The players are overvaluing themselves.

[00:45:13] Yeah.

[00:45:14] And they're putting their livelihood at risk because I don't know when the

[00:45:20] owners just kind of say,

[00:45:21] yeah,

[00:45:21] this isn't,

[00:45:22] this isn't viable anymore.

[00:45:24] And so I,

[00:45:26] but who knows?

[00:45:27] We'll see.

[00:45:28] I see.

[00:45:29] For the most part,

[00:45:30] attendance was up quite a bit in that league.

[00:45:34] Whenever Caitlin Clark was in town.

[00:45:38] Otherwise numbers were up a little bit,

[00:45:40] but the tickets are essentially free in non Caitlin games.

[00:45:43] And so the revenue doesn't follow the attendance numbers quite as much as people

[00:45:48] would like you to think.

[00:45:49] We'll keep an eye on it.

[00:45:49] We'll talk about a little bit more.

[00:45:50] I just found it to be newsworthy that they were threatening to kind of hold

[00:45:54] out.

[00:45:54] I don't think they have the leverage or the power to do that.

[00:45:57] Let's move on to a holy discontent.

[00:46:04] It's time to blow off some steam,

[00:46:06] get it off your chest,

[00:46:07] rant about what's most bothering you.

[00:46:10] I got a lot of problems with you people.

[00:46:12] Now you're going to hear about it.

[00:46:13] It's time for holy discontent.

[00:46:17] Well,

[00:46:18] Paul,

[00:46:18] why don't you lead us off with a little holy discontent?

[00:46:21] Yeah.

[00:46:22] So my holy discontent this week is with the fact that Deandre Hopkins just went

[00:46:27] to the Kansas city chiefs for a fifth round draft pick.

[00:46:32] I'm a little ticked about this on a couple of different levels.

[00:46:34] First of all,

[00:46:35] I don't understand why the chiefs continue to,

[00:46:39] to just have the silver spoon in their mouth and everything just seems to go

[00:46:43] their way.

[00:46:44] I fully expect Deandre Hopkins to put up all pro numbers in their system and

[00:46:48] everything else.

[00:46:49] And maybe he can salvage Patrick Mahomes season.

[00:46:52] But the real thing that I'm ticked about is that last week in my fantasy

[00:46:57] football league,

[00:46:58] I just picked up Ricky Pierce.

[00:47:00] All the guy who was on,

[00:47:02] is on the 49ers and he's the guy who got injured preseason.

[00:47:05] And I thought I was like this really savvy fantasy owner because he was coming

[00:47:10] back from injury.

[00:47:11] And I picked him up right before Brandon,

[00:47:12] I,

[00:47:13] you can Debo Samuel both went down with injuries.

[00:47:15] And I thought,

[00:47:15] this is amazing.

[00:47:16] Everyone's going to be like,

[00:47:17] Paul,

[00:47:17] you're a man.

[00:47:18] You're awesome.

[00:47:19] That you had the foresight to see that coming.

[00:47:21] And then this thing breaks with Deandre Hopkins.

[00:47:24] Right?

[00:47:24] So I go on our league's website today and I'm like,

[00:47:27] I wonder if someone's going to pick up Deandre Hopkins and devalue my pickup

[00:47:32] of Ricky Pierce.

[00:47:33] All in the process.

[00:47:34] So I'm a little bit frustrated by that.

[00:47:36] Can't be too frustrated.

[00:47:37] Cause I'm winning my fantasy league and my Deandre Hopkins would be wide

[00:47:40] receiver for on my fantasy team,

[00:47:42] but I have CD lamb,

[00:47:43] the weak neighbors and Jamar chase.

[00:47:45] So I'm doing okay.

[00:47:46] But I always want,

[00:47:48] and the fantasy football is the one place where I want people to look at me

[00:47:51] and think I'm awesome.

[00:47:53] And so that's,

[00:47:54] that's my holy discontent.

[00:47:55] And four days ago.

[00:47:58] Yeah.

[00:47:59] On his Instagram account,

[00:48:01] Deandre Hopkins posted in,

[00:48:03] in his vehicle with his family,

[00:48:06] a little Taylor Swift song.

[00:48:10] The call of the song I believe is called rumor has it.

[00:48:14] And what team would Deandre would,

[00:48:18] would Taylor Swift be most closely connected to the Kansas city chiefs

[00:48:23] because of Travis Kelsey.

[00:48:25] Interesting.

[00:48:25] Four days prior to the trade being made.

[00:48:28] So anything that brings Taylor Swift back into the national spotlight,

[00:48:32] I have a problem with just as a general rule.

[00:48:34] That's a thing for me.

[00:48:35] She's back.

[00:48:36] Adam,

[00:48:37] do you have anything for holy discontent?

[00:48:39] Well,

[00:48:39] when Paul said you had to choose one,

[00:48:41] I was like,

[00:48:42] Oh man,

[00:48:43] I can boil it all down to just one.

[00:48:45] I mean,

[00:48:46] I have,

[00:48:46] I have major issues with the Kansas city cheaters.

[00:48:50] I mean,

[00:48:50] chiefs.

[00:48:52] I just,

[00:48:53] I'm not a fan of them and them being the only ones that are six and Oh,

[00:48:56] and then you have all of these,

[00:49:00] these false pass interference calls.

[00:49:04] And really,

[00:49:06] it just,

[00:49:07] okay.

[00:49:07] That's not what I wanted to go off on.

[00:49:09] My,

[00:49:10] my thing is,

[00:49:11] is we talked a little bit about it with Max Crosby.

[00:49:15] Um,

[00:49:15] I,

[00:49:16] I get that.

[00:49:17] He brings the money to the Raiders.

[00:49:20] I mean,

[00:49:20] he came out today saying,

[00:49:22] uh,

[00:49:22] saying this,

[00:49:23] he said,

[00:49:23] I'm,

[00:49:24] I'm like,

[00:49:24] I'm not trying to leave.

[00:49:25] I know it's blank business,

[00:49:27] but I don't have a hundred percent control and all that,

[00:49:29] but I want to be here.

[00:49:30] I want to be silver and black.

[00:49:32] I'll say it over and over and over again.

[00:49:34] So I know he's trying to dispel the rumors,

[00:49:36] but there's still a part of me that's thinking,

[00:49:38] okay,

[00:49:38] if we can still push,

[00:49:40] do whatever it takes,

[00:49:41] do whatever it takes.

[00:49:42] The Raiders aren't a good team right now.

[00:49:44] I know it definitely.

[00:49:45] Max Crosby comes off of that team.

[00:49:47] They're really not going to be a good team,

[00:49:49] but I mean,

[00:49:50] come on.

[00:49:51] I mean,

[00:49:52] let Brad Holmes cook a little bit here.

[00:49:54] Give,

[00:49:55] give him whatever it takes to get him to come.

[00:49:57] Aiden,

[00:49:58] we know he's going to be out.

[00:49:58] There's a chance that he could possibly be back,

[00:50:00] which that's a whole nother rant.

[00:50:02] Uh,

[00:50:03] he,

[00:50:04] you know,

[00:50:04] there could be a chance of him coming back.

[00:50:06] If we make the super bowl,

[00:50:07] which that would be a Cinderella story in itself.

[00:50:10] But what,

[00:50:11] why can't,

[00:50:12] why don't we spend the money,

[00:50:13] spend the round,

[00:50:14] you know,

[00:50:15] give them two,

[00:50:15] two first round picks,

[00:50:17] give them whatever.

[00:50:18] Our team is now set up.

[00:50:19] The,

[00:50:20] oh man,

[00:50:20] you got me on a rant now.

[00:50:21] Here we go.

[00:50:22] So the other part of that was also with,

[00:50:25] with this,

[00:50:26] uh,

[00:50:26] David brought this up.

[00:50:28] You know,

[00:50:28] we're not just,

[00:50:29] the lines aren't just this.

[00:50:30] We got lucky last season.

[00:50:32] We're proving ourselves this season.

[00:50:35] We didn't,

[00:50:35] it wasn't just one of those,

[00:50:37] Hey,

[00:50:37] we got here.

[00:50:38] Oh,

[00:50:38] but it was just,

[00:50:39] it was just luck.

[00:50:39] We got to the,

[00:50:40] we won the division.

[00:50:41] We,

[00:50:41] we were so close to go into the super bowl.

[00:50:43] Look at us now,

[00:50:45] a five in one team.

[00:50:46] I about lost my mind in,

[00:50:48] in the Sonic parking lot,

[00:50:50] watching yesterday,

[00:50:51] watching Sunday's game against the,

[00:50:53] uh,

[00:50:53] the Minnesota Vikings.

[00:50:54] And then again,

[00:50:56] with the one second throw,

[00:50:57] I got to throw one second on the play.

[00:50:59] It's always Detroit versus everybody,

[00:51:02] always Detroit versus everybody.

[00:51:03] And I'm like,

[00:51:04] they brought it back up again,

[00:51:05] put one second on the clock.

[00:51:07] Let's go ahead and give Darnold an opportunity to chuck it down the field one more time,

[00:51:11] which I'm so happy that instead of,

[00:51:13] instead of backing our players off and just rushing two or three,

[00:51:16] we actually rushed and we're able to take,

[00:51:18] uh,

[00:51:18] Darnold out.

[00:51:20] Um,

[00:51:20] but by the way,

[00:51:21] the kid,

[00:51:22] the guy who made the sack,

[00:51:23] uh,

[00:51:23] Trevor Nowoski on that final play is a Saginaw Valley state university.

[00:51:28] Cardinal playing for the lions and which is,

[00:51:30] you don't know this Adam,

[00:51:31] but he's that's,

[00:51:32] that's like eight minutes from my studio and my home.

[00:51:35] So man,

[00:51:36] really fun stuff to see a division.

[00:51:38] No,

[00:51:39] I really just,

[00:51:39] I,

[00:51:40] I,

[00:51:40] there's a lot to rant about when it comes to Detroit versus everybody.

[00:51:44] I'll take it.

[00:51:45] My,

[00:51:45] my holy discontent,

[00:51:46] um,

[00:51:47] is really because one of my favorite college basketball coaches has decided to call it quits.

[00:51:52] Uh,

[00:51:53] Tony Bennett from,

[00:51:54] uh,

[00:51:54] the university of Virginia.

[00:51:56] And he's really doing so.

[00:51:59] It sounded like in his press conference,

[00:52:01] I'm going to play a soundbite for you here in a moment.

[00:52:03] It's really doing so because of frustrations over the new system,

[00:52:07] the new way,

[00:52:08] the bidding on kids,

[00:52:10] the outrageous demands and the things that have taken coaching and made it

[00:52:16] probably feel more like you're a general manager somewhere,

[00:52:19] even though these are 17 and 18 and 19 year old kids that you're now having to

[00:52:23] beg to come and play with you and then facilitate whatever their demands are.

[00:52:28] Here's Tony Bennett.

[00:52:29] I think it's right for players,

[00:52:31] student athletes to receive revenue.

[00:52:33] Please don't mistake me.

[00:52:34] I do.

[00:52:34] I think it is,

[00:52:35] but the game and college athletics is not in a healthy spot and there needs to be

[00:52:40] change.

[00:52:41] And it's not going to go back.

[00:52:42] I think I was equipped to do the job here the old way and there's,

[00:52:46] that's who I am.

[00:52:47] And that's how it was.

[00:52:48] And my staff has buoyed me along to get to this point,

[00:52:51] but there needs to be change.

[00:52:53] It's going to be a closer to a professional model.

[00:52:55] Coach Carlisle,

[00:52:56] I think it is where there's got to be collective bargaining.

[00:52:59] There has to be a restriction on the salary pool pool that teams can spend.

[00:53:03] There has to be transfer regulation restrictions.

[00:53:07] There has to be some limits on the agent involvement to these young guys.

[00:53:13] And there are good agents and there are bad agents and they're driving some of

[00:53:16] this stuff that we're in.

[00:53:18] And I worry a lot about the mental health of the student athletes as all this

[00:53:22] stuff comes down.

[00:53:23] And it's sometimes when you're in it,

[00:53:26] you have to step away and maybe I can be an advocate for the student athletes

[00:53:30] and the coaches to,

[00:53:31] to get the changes.

[00:53:32] But this is a place that will not compromise and do it the right way.

[00:53:36] And I wish I could,

[00:53:37] it could be me,

[00:53:38] but it can't.

[00:53:39] And when you know in your heart,

[00:53:41] it's the time you have to give it away.

[00:53:43] I like that guy.

[00:53:45] And I think that was really well spelled out and he's not wrong.

[00:53:49] He's not wrong on any of those things.

[00:53:52] Really something because of our time,

[00:53:54] Paul,

[00:53:54] let's go.

[00:53:54] I'm going to let you do your,

[00:53:55] that guy,

[00:53:56] because it deserves mentioning history was made.

[00:53:58] So let's do that guy just for Paul.

[00:54:01] Right now,

[00:54:02] this minute,

[00:54:03] today,

[00:54:04] this week.

[00:54:06] I am.

[00:54:10] Okay.

[00:54:10] So my,

[00:54:12] that guy this week is going to surprise you,

[00:54:15] Bill.

[00:54:15] I'm breaking form.

[00:54:17] My,

[00:54:18] that guy this week is LeBron James.

[00:54:20] Oh man.

[00:54:22] He gave us an interesting storyline for the kicking,

[00:54:26] the kickoff of the NBA season with his son,

[00:54:29] Bronny debuting on his team with him.

[00:54:32] Was it contrived?

[00:54:33] Yes.

[00:54:35] Is Bronny destined for the G league?

[00:54:37] Most likely his Bronny stat line from his Lakers debut,

[00:54:42] three minutes played one rebound,

[00:54:44] zero points plus minus of minus five.

[00:54:48] So,

[00:54:49] so that's Bronny's inauspicious debut.

[00:54:52] But here's the thing.

[00:54:53] The reason I'm,

[00:54:53] I'm giving LeBron his props for this is because any of us who are dads,

[00:54:59] if we had the opportunity to do that with our son,

[00:55:03] we would,

[00:55:04] I would totally do the same thing.

[00:55:08] If I was LeBron,

[00:55:09] I might not have made it such a circus and,

[00:55:12] you know,

[00:55:13] tried to figure out how I could bring the spotlight on myself.

[00:55:15] I probably would have figured out how to let it be more about my son and not

[00:55:18] so much about me,

[00:55:19] but it's still a very,

[00:55:20] very cool thing.

[00:55:21] So way to go LeBron.

[00:55:22] I think it is pretty awesome.

[00:55:24] And in all reality,

[00:55:25] it's,

[00:55:26] it's a testament to the,

[00:55:28] his longevity as a player that he's been around long enough and still

[00:55:31] performing at a high enough level that he can be on the court and be one

[00:55:34] of the best players on the court when his son is trying to,

[00:55:37] to chart his own course.

[00:55:38] So well done.

[00:55:41] How's that?

[00:55:41] That was,

[00:55:42] that was way out of left field.

[00:55:43] I did not see that coming.

[00:55:44] In fact,

[00:55:44] I might have to clip that out and send it to a few people that are going to be

[00:55:49] shocked that Paul just called out LeBron as is that guy,

[00:55:52] but you're not wrong.

[00:55:53] I mean,

[00:55:53] it was a really,

[00:55:54] really very cool moment except for the players who were on the bench,

[00:55:58] who didn't get any minutes and been working in outperforming Bronny in

[00:56:02] practice.

[00:56:02] So my guess would be that this is a one-off.

[00:56:06] My guess,

[00:56:06] I could be wrong.

[00:56:07] Yeah.

[00:56:07] My guess would be,

[00:56:08] we got it done.

[00:56:09] ESPN got their clips for the next four months and we'll get,

[00:56:15] and they did win the game.

[00:56:16] So I mean,

[00:56:17] you can't argue with the results.

[00:56:18] They did win the game.

[00:56:19] And if they're going to do right by Bronny,

[00:56:21] they're going to put them in the G league and let him see if he can grow

[00:56:23] into something because he's not there.

[00:56:24] He's not ready.

[00:56:25] No,

[00:56:25] he's definitely,

[00:56:26] definitely not ready.

[00:56:27] Yeah.

[00:56:27] Let's wrap things up with our three minute message.

[00:56:30] And Paul,

[00:56:30] before you begin the three minute message,

[00:56:31] I'm going to give a prelude to your three minute message.

[00:56:35] But first this.

[00:56:38] Homer,

[00:56:38] I'd like you to remember Matthew 7,

[00:56:40] 26.

[00:56:41] The foolish man who built his house on sand.

[00:56:45] And you remember Matthew 21,

[00:56:50] 17.

[00:56:51] And he left them and went out of the city into Bethany and he lodged there.

[00:56:57] Yeah.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:56:58] Think about it.

[00:57:00] Indeed.

[00:57:00] Think about it.

[00:57:01] And Paul's about to talk about worry and anxiety and how the Lord has us in his

[00:57:06] hands.

[00:57:08] And I found a soundbite that I was going to use in an earlier part of the show,

[00:57:12] but it fits perfectly into here.

[00:57:14] And it's with the Celtics coach,

[00:57:17] Joe Mazzula,

[00:57:18] who at their media day was asked if he felt pressure or any,

[00:57:22] if he was anxious at all about the Celtics having a target on their back.

[00:57:26] And his answer is so good.

[00:57:28] I just don't look at it as pressure because like a Boston media member or somebody

[00:57:33] expected me to win.

[00:57:34] Like they don't have a weapon.

[00:57:35] Like they're not going to like come after me if you don't win.

[00:57:37] Like they're saying words.

[00:57:38] So like,

[00:57:39] they don't mean anything.

[00:57:40] They're just words.

[00:57:41] You're just saying them because you have to say them.

[00:57:42] You're contractually obligated to write a,

[00:57:45] you know,

[00:57:45] 500 page article after our word article after there is words.

[00:57:49] They're not surgeons.

[00:57:50] We're not like in the military.

[00:57:52] We coach basketball for a living.

[00:57:53] We coach basketball for a living.

[00:57:55] I love that perspective.

[00:57:56] So Paul,

[00:57:57] I thought that fed into what you're going to talk about.

[00:57:59] That's really good.

[00:58:00] I,

[00:58:00] I,

[00:58:01] I was just thinking about the,

[00:58:03] the challenge that's at the root of the WNBA thing and the women in that

[00:58:09] league and all athletes,

[00:58:11] maybe in general,

[00:58:12] trying to figure out what they're worth,

[00:58:15] right?

[00:58:16] Where,

[00:58:17] and they're,

[00:58:17] they're finding their value in what they do.

[00:58:22] And in their performance at what they do.

[00:58:26] Now,

[00:58:26] I just spent last weekend up in the middle of North Dakota at a camp,

[00:58:31] watching teenagers unlearn that tendency that we all have and replace it

[00:58:38] with the idea that their value and their worth comes from their identity as

[00:58:46] being a child of God.

[00:58:47] Right?

[00:58:48] So Luke,

[00:58:49] Luke 12,

[00:58:49] we all know the verse or the idea,

[00:58:51] at least where it says Luke 12 or seven,

[00:58:53] indeed,

[00:58:53] the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

[00:58:55] Do not be afraid.

[00:58:56] You are worth more than many sparrows.

[00:58:59] So just want to remind all of us,

[00:59:01] um,

[00:59:03] this week to not find your value in your performance.

[00:59:08] Don't find your worth or your value in how well you do your job,

[00:59:13] what grades you get,

[00:59:15] uh,

[00:59:16] what your performance review looks like at work or any of those kinds of

[00:59:19] things,

[00:59:20] because that's not where Jesus looks when he is assigning value to you.

[00:59:26] He looks at the fact that you are a child of God.

[00:59:30] You are fearfully and wonderfully made and you are of infinite value because you

[00:59:35] are created in his image.

[00:59:36] So I just wanted to share that with all of us and challenge us as we go into

[00:59:41] our week.

[00:59:42] And we think about,

[00:59:43] um,

[00:59:43] we,

[00:59:44] we find ourselves being tempted,

[00:59:46] uh,

[00:59:47] to give into the lie that our value,

[00:59:50] um,

[00:59:51] is less than maybe God thinks it is.

[00:59:53] Let's just,

[00:59:54] let's just remember this truth.

[00:59:55] Let's take it with us in the ups and downs of what we have going on this week.

[01:00:00] There you go.

[01:00:01] Yeah.

[01:00:01] Really good.

[01:00:02] Adam,

[01:00:02] what a pleasure to have you on.

[01:00:04] Uh,

[01:00:04] the name of the camp,

[01:00:05] by the way,

[01:00:06] is Cooperstown Bible camp.

[01:00:09] Cooperstown.

[01:00:10] That's,

[01:00:10] that's not New York.

[01:00:11] That's in North Dakota.

[01:00:12] It's in North Dakota.

[01:00:14] Yep.

[01:00:14] Cooperstown,

[01:00:15] North Dakota.

[01:00:15] From what I understand,

[01:00:16] slice of heaven,

[01:00:17] little bit of God's country in Cooperstown.

[01:00:19] Yeah.

[01:00:19] From what I understand,

[01:00:21] church pew sports huge in North Dakota.

[01:00:23] Huge.

[01:00:24] I tell you,

[01:00:25] it's probably the talk of the town.

[01:00:26] Yeah,

[01:00:26] it will be now.

[01:00:27] Adam's personally responsible for 5,000 downloads from this episode.

[01:00:31] So we'll,

[01:00:32] uh,

[01:00:32] we'll be looking for that.

[01:00:33] And before we let you go,

[01:00:35] before we wrap it up,

[01:00:35] Adam,

[01:00:36] the final score of the Wolverines and Spartans showdown Saturday night is what?

[01:00:44] Man.

[01:00:46] I don't know.

[01:00:48] I'm thinking we're going to put at least 14 on.

[01:00:50] So 14 to 21.

[01:00:52] They're still going to,

[01:00:53] MSU are going to blow us out after that.

[01:00:55] I'm going to go cry in a closet and,

[01:00:58] uh,

[01:00:59] probably cry for the next two weeks after that as well.

[01:01:02] I hope you're wrong because I really,

[01:01:04] truly want Michigan to be at Michigan state this weekend.

[01:01:07] Yeah.

[01:01:08] You're not the only one.

[01:01:09] I do too.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:12] Realistically speaking,

[01:01:13] it's just,

[01:01:14] it is what it is.

[01:01:15] Maybe the defense will score a couple of touchdowns.

[01:01:18] Hey,

[01:01:18] let's do that.

[01:01:19] Special teams.

[01:01:20] There you go.

[01:01:20] Special teams.

[01:01:21] Great to have you with us,

[01:01:22] Adam.

[01:01:22] Thanks so much.

[01:01:23] Hey,

[01:01:23] thanks.

[01:01:24] Appreciate it.

[01:01:24] Yeah.

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