Victor Jackson shares insights of her life as a Christian both personally as well as throughout her career. She candidly shares her struggle with often being misrepresented and blacklisted by Hollywood for her stance on Christian values as well as her recent battle with cancer.
Victoria is best remembered for her six-year stint (1986-1992) on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" (SNL). Before her rise to fame on SNL, Victoria caught attention with her unique stand-up routines on "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson," often showcasing her performing handstands while reciting poetry. After studying at both Furman University in South Carolina and Auburn University in Alabama, she delved into a career in entertainment, with her ditzy persona becoming a hallmark of her comedic style.
www.victoriajackson.com
Victoria is also involved in a Bible study with Chynna Phillips Baldwin who has a ministry 'California Preachin.'
YouTube @ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin
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When I get to Nashville I'm gonna make a splash.
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Now I'm gonna knock them down. I'll be the only country singing
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star who can sing Standing on her head.
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Play my you Play me at the Opry and make their hearts stand
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still. I'm gonna be a country star.
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I'm gonna be a country star when I get to Nashville.
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Welcome to becoming outlaws. This program engages
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celebrities, scholars, and diverse voices in candid
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conversations about following Jesus, defying societal norms,
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and exploring profound and often not so profound questions of
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faith. It's not often I have a guest
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who fits every one of those categories in this program.
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Victoria Jackson is a celebrity. I consider her a scholar.
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And if you don't just try to go up against her and her Bible
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knowledge, you'll change your mind.
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And she's literally known for having literally a distinct or
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diverse voice. She's a follower of Jesus.
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She defies societal norms and is often exploring her own profound
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questions of faith. Victoria, of course, is best
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known for her six years on Saturday Night Live that ranged
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from 1986. The 1992, and in my opinion,
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that was Saturday Night Live's heyday.
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It was a big deal then. It's a bigger deal then than it
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is now. The cast were actually funny and
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not just liberal mocking machines, and it was the talk of
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school yards and water coolers the next Monday.
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This was before there were so many channels, so many streaming
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options. TikTok and YouTube and Netflix.
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So when you had a Saturday Night Live program, it was a big deal
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and a lot of people watched the staff she was involved with.
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They've become legendary. Steve Martin, Phil Hartman, Jon
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Lovitz, Dana Carvey. Her last few years there, she
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worked with the next crew of people that were the Chris
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Farley's, Eddie Murphy and such. My favorite skit, actually.
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It's two inces, The Driving Cat and that theme song still lives
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rent free in my head. Where Victoria and Steve Martin
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and every tune says would be going for a drive and the cat
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was driving the car. No, it sounds ridiculous.
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It was. That's what made it funny.
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Before those years she was a regular act on The Tonight Show
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with Johnny Carson. And once again, The Tonight Show
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is a way bigger deal than it is now.
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Pretty much. If you're on The Tonight Show
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that could launch your career, Johnny Carson did not like your
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act. You probably had to find another
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job opportunities and career choices.
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She was on there at least about 20 times, I believe, and then
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discovered by Saturday Night Live.
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And since her career has spanned television, film, standup
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comedy. As a matter of fact, back in
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that day I used to enjoy Weird Al music and.
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He came out the movie called UHF and Victoria was the costar.
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I think actually, I know played his girlfriend in that movie,
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but she has much more than a media personality.
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She's a person with a life who has ups and downs and daily
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struggles like we all do. But she's also a deep woman of
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faith. That's the side of Victoria
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Jackson I'm hoping Discover today counted among the outlaws,
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he said. Come follow me.
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People from all walks of life since have been becoming
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outlaws. I feel like I kind of know you
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because I mean, you don't really know people just because you
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recognize their face from television.
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But. But I've been prepping for this.
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I've watched you talk with Beckett Cook China Phillips
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Baldwin, more personal things. Some of your.
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Personal struggles or videos that you would put on YouTube.
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I've watched them and then I actually read lavender hair,
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which I know the subtitle is for women with breast cancer or
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something. So I'm not obviously any of
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those things, but I would recommend that to anyone because
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it's really, it was so encouraging because.
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That's a specific thing you went through, but everyone at some
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point has struggles. And I loved it because you're so
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honest, even with the struggles of your faith during it from
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day-to-day. And you know, it's not just a I
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think you'd read a Christian book that just it's all positive
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and it's only like, I don't feel all positive.
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You almost feel disconnected. Well, maybe I'm not a good
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Christian, but yours was blatantly honest.
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I enjoyed that. You.
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You're making me cry well. It's true.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's a it's good. It had more scripture in it.
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The only other book I think that had more scripture that I've
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read is the Bible, Probably Wall to wall Scripture.
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Yeah. It was very impressive.
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I enjoyed that. Was gracious.
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That touches me so much. Good.
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I'm sure it's touched. I'm sure it's touched a lot of
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women, but I'm just saying I think anyone.
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You could find encouragement out of lavender hair for sure.
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Oh my goodness, my you know, life is so hard for everyone.
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And today I was trying to have a positive attitude.
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By the way, sorry I have so much.
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What do you call that when you make your picture prettier?
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What do you call that filters out?
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Sorry there's so much filters on me, but I pushed the button.
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That said, make yourself prettier and it's.
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Way filtered. Why not?
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I don't look like this. This is.
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I like the book. Yeah, I think A.
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I think a popular filter now is like bold glamour.
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All the girls on whatever TikTok they put on this bold glamour
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and you have no idea what they really look like.
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Well, I don't think you have a filter on at all.
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I don't, but I have a lot of powder so that I don't get
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shined from like I have 4 lights right here.
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So well at first I have to let it soak in all the nice things
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you said to me because I have been so blacklisted so many
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times for being a Christian or whatever.
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And I know the Bible says that they will persecute you if you
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stand up for Jesus. And I know it says they hate us
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because they hated him. And I know that we can't whine
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here. We still have freedom of speech.
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Barely. And we we're not getting, we're
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not being torched as a Roman candle for, you know, Nero.
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And we're not in those countries over there where people are
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actually having their heads chopped off for believing in
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Jesus. So I have nothing to complain
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about, but it does hurt my feelings when I lost two stand
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up gigs this year because I went to the town hall meeting and
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they were voting on the gay pride parade for my local little
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town in Tennessee. And this is the Bible belt.
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But wherever there's government, things like especially downtown
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Nashville but anything related to government, there's lots of
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liberals and anti God people running it.
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But all the rest of the state is like Super Bible Belt.
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You know? It's crazy.
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It's like, I wish Christians would go run for office.
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But I did once, and it was the worst thing I've ever been
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through. It was torture.
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The newspaper lied about me. They used a picture where I
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looked like this on purpose on the front page.
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They lied and said I hate Muslims and I'm like, what?
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They They lied and said she wrote an article because a
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Muslim moved into her neighborhood.
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It's totally a lie. And you know, they so I lost
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these two gigs this year and you know it's nothing compared to
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getting your head chopped off. But hurts my feelings because
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you know my friends from Saturday Night Live, they're
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still milking the SNL connection.
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We're all 60 something and they're still doing stand up.
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And I love, I love comedy. I love hearing laughter and
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applause of course and I I miss it.
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Couple months ago I prayed specifically and I said, Lord, I
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really miss comedy. I really miss laughter and he
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just dropped into my lap. 4 funny roles with super great
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people. 3 low budget Christian movies. 4 if you count last
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year, 4 low budget Christian movies.
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Super wonderful people on the set praying instead of the set
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in LA New York where they say the F word in every sentence,
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which I'm not used to, but now I'm like, hey, nobody's saying
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the F word. What's going on?
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Creative people who aren't saying the F word.
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And he let me be in two music videos.
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One is for unspoken. It's called Love is Everything
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You need. And one was for Mason Douglas
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and it's called I Miss America. Yeah.
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So he got it. God's like, oh, you want to do
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comedy. And I'm like, thank you, thank
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you. And then I get to be on Huckabee
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this Thursday and I get to sing a ukulele song.
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Now my biggest problem was trying to figure out which song
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to sing because I'm making a new CD because I I can't help it.
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This creative gene that I have, it's probably from my dad.
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He was a gymnastics coach, but he was always sitting in his
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little chair with his little machine, his little 8 millimeter
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machine, watching Olga Corbett's balance beam routine over and
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over and over. And I'm like, you know, most
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dads don't do that. And he's like, Vicky, I think
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you should do A1 arm back, walk over in the second line of your
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beam routine. Look, watch how old the
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corporate watch this pose. I mean, if that's your dad, then
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I guess you grow up like this. Yeah, well, let's figure out
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your ukulele song. Let's let's get that dilemma.
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We'll help you out. What's your What's your favorite
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one? What do you like to do the most?
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Which one do you inside? Makes you laugh.
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Well, I already did on Huckabee, my favorite new one.
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It's a broken world, baby. I already did that on Huckabee.
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And then I was thinking I would do lavender hair, but it's not
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funny. It's sweet.
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And then I was thinking I would do when I get to Nashville,
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since it's the name of my album. But there's only one joke in it,
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and it's about Dolly Parton. And I'm not sure they would let
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me do that one. And then the other song is Mini
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Pearl, which I just wrote with two friends of mine, Mason
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Douglas. And that one has.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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What do you think? Where's your ukulele?
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Oh, it's over here. Grab it.
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Show us. There she goes.
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She's known for hand stands and ukulele songs.
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OK, you can. You can edit out My Big Fat Body
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walking over there. When I get to Nashville, I'm
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going to make a splash Now I'm going to knock them down.
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I'll be the only country singing star who can sing Standing on
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Her Head, Play My ukulele out the Opry and make their heart
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stand still. I'm going to be a country star.
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I'm going to be a country star when I get to Nashville.
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Well, you know, everybody has a gimmick.
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I mean, Dolly Parton has two gimmicks.
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I'll have three cuz I can do a handstand.
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If Dolly Parton did a handstand, she would suffocate herself.
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I don't think it's too edgy. That's what she's known for.
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She wants to be known for that. So.
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So there's that choice. That's the end of the song.
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Very good. So then the other song is going
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to hear the other choice, Lavender hair.
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He sees to me as softy, not heavy.
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He hears me as wise and not dull.
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He thinks that I'm super terrific when others think
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nothing at all. He sees me as funny and silly,
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graceful at his friend of state, and he doesn't notice the Gray
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he said I. Have so you grew up Southern
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Baptist? Yes.
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And so if people aren't familiar with the denominations, the
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Southern Baptist, at least the old school Southern Baptist,
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where and probably are what I appreciate about them one is
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hymns. I miss the old Southern hymns
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that we don't hear anymore. And and the focus on salvation.
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You know, not just 7 tips to positive living, but you can't
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leave a Southern Baptist service without having an invitation to
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receive Christ and whatnot. But how did that affect your
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life? Meaning, you know, a lot of
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people say they're Christian, and even people online they'll,
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I'll say things like. I'll talk about the religion of
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Christianity versus being a Christian, having a relationship
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with Christ. And then I get all kinds of
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negative feedback of people who don't explain, you know, that
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I'm not very smart because I don't know the difference.
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You know, Christian is a religion.
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You know the difference. When did you know the difference
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between you were just raised in church and it's your parents or
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family's beliefs that that this is something real to you?
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And then how did it affect your life and career?
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Well, what What? When did you become a Christian?
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Me. My story is similar to yours
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other than Saturday Night Live, meaning I was in a in a Baptist
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Church, wasn't a traditional denomination when I was raised
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in it. And I would say by the age of
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five, I was able to distinguish the difference that something's
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real and even though you were already learning the Sunday
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School lessons that there was an acceptance of.
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Asking Christ have a relationship with you personally
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and even kids somehow can understand that because the
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spirit doesn't have age. And I don't think our spirits
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have age, really, when it comes to spiritual knowledge.
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You know, you can be, you know, when you're saved, when you're
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you could be 80 and you're an infant and a toddler in the
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faith or you can almost literally be a toddler and come
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into the faith. So I think that's similar to
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you. So to me around 5:00 I would say
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and then. Water baptized at 8 and whatnot.
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What denomination were you raised then?
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It was a Assemblies of God, so it's a Pentecostal denomination.
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But back then I think it was very similar outside of a few
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doctrinal issues. I think it was very similar to
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yours into the Baptist where it was very salvation focused and
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you know, you couldn't wear jeans in church and no swearing,
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no smoking, no getting divorced, no, you know, it was a lot of
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nose. And not that those Nos are
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wrong, but, you know, I think as you mature, you realize there's
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a difference between Nos don't mean a lot to you.
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Living in the Spirit takes care of those things.
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But I feel like I'm, I'm explaining it all.
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How was your experience? Because it's a long way from a
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Baptist upbringing to wanting to go to Hollywood.
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Yeah, it is. Well, I have a very similar
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experience as you. I think when I was five, I
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probably got when I was six, I learned to read five or six.
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And I I always say that John 316, I just kind of came alive
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to me. I think about that time I
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realized that God was talking to me as an individual when he said
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for God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son,
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and whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
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everlasting life. I thought God's talking to the
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world, but he's also talking to me as an individual.
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I think when I was six I realized that and of course they
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always had the altar call and we sang just as I am 1000 times
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every Sunday and Wednesday night.
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And so when I was six it was like a light bulb when it and at
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home I said to my dad, daddy would you Neal by my bed with me
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I want to ask Jesus into my heart and he's like sure.
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And I remember thinking they have lots of different words for
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it except him as your personal savior, the Lord of your life,
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let him in your heart. But I got the concept, and I
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think you said it so eloquently that a child, a child.
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However you said it, there's no age for spiritual growth or what
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I I mean, I totally understood the gospel with childlike faith,
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and I completely understood it. And now down I asked Jesus to
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forgive me for my sins. I could only think of two
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because I was six years old. I thought, well, what are my
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sins? I was mean to my brother two
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times, but I knew that I got the concept that I'd probably be
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sinning in the future and that Jesus died on the cross for
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that. He rose from the dead.
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He wants to be with me forever. My sin separated me from him
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when I went to Bible college when I was 16.
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Our preacher, A Ray Stanford, he used to go, here's you and
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here's your sin. And your sin separates you from
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God. So Jesus came and died for you,
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your sin. So he can be anyway.
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But he used to do it with his wallet.
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He always took his wallet out. Doctor Avery Stanford.
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But anyway, so yeah, I mean, I totally got it.
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And then it of course affected my life a lot.
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When I was eight, I heard his German about who?
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Whom shall I send? Who will go 4th and Isaiah and
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and the preacher said, whoever wants to say yes, Lord, here I
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am, I I will tell the gospel. I will go into the world and
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tell the gospel as you commanded us.
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And and so I went forward when I was 8 and I remember thinking,
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Lord, please don't send me to Africa because it looks really
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scary. Lots of snakes and everything in
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the missionary videos. But instead, I ended up at
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Saturday Night Live in the halls of 30 Rockefeller Plaza.
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And I remember walking alone down the halls.
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I was alone a lot. And I'm thinking, wow, well,
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this is my mission field. Very funny.
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Lords, not enough. There's no, there's no jungle
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animals here. But there's metaphorically, you
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know. And so I have a lot of stories
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like Al Franken. Well, this is the way I remember
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it. He came up to me in the hall one
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day and he said, Victoria, can I talk to you for a minute?
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It really offends me that you act like a ditz because I heard
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you talking at the meeting and you're actually very intelligent
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and it just kind of offends me. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry.
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Well, I I guess maybe I'm maybe it's my voice, you know, they
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said I have congenital palital insufficiency and it's genetic
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and Eric comes out of my nose or something.
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I don't know. Or maybe it's because I'm
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overcompensating. Maybe I act like this because
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I'm overcompensating for what I'm really thinking all the
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time, which is that everyone's dying and going to hell and I'm
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supposed to tell them about Jesus.
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And he, his face was like white. He was like, and he slowly
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walked away. And I've said that story before
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and they asked him about it and he said I don't remember it that
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way. Anyway, that's how I remember
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it. And he used to write some things
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that I was in one time. He wrote about term limits, and
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I said what's term limits? And it's funny because now he
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probably wouldn't be for that. I don't know.
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But yeah, So what? The reason I was got in show
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business. It's kind of an interesting
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story. My dad was in Bonneville, he was
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an Acrobat, a Tumblr, a gymnast. He was juggling, jumping on the
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trampoline and he went from a chubby little kid who people
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made fun of Roly Poly and and in high school he determined to not
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be made fun of anymore. And he tried all the sports, and
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he failed at all of them. When he went in the gym, he said
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all the men were in white and they all had a dimple in their
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chin like Kurt Douglas. And they were doing flips in
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their tight white outfits and their little snippers.
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And he said that's it was like, that's what I want to be.
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And he said he held on to the bar and he couldn't do one pull
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up. And he said my fingers went like
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this and I slipped off the bar and fell.
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So that summer in Chicago at Montrose Beach, he went every
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day to the chin up bar and he tried to do a pull up.
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At the end of the summer he had one pull up and that, you know,
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he became a physique teacher and a women's gymnastics coach.
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And so that was my whole childhood competing, being a
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leotard, being in the gym, standing on his head.
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You know, it's a kooky childhood.
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Meanwhile, he's Baptist Deacon and we're in church 3 * a week.
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I'm in a Christian School and my dad's like, hey, Vicki,
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volunteer to do your, your balance being routine at the pep
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rally. And I'm thinking, well, they
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won't even let us wear cheerleading skirts that are
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more than one inch above the knee.
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I don't know how they're going to deal with a leotard.
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You know, that's like naked. That's like being naked.
00:23:42
And so there was this, you know, thing I, my whole child was
00:23:46
like, and then he asked the school, they said I could not
00:23:50
take dance lessons. And he went to the principal and
00:23:53
said she has to take ballet for her gymnastics.
00:23:57
And they're like, so, I mean, so he was, he was such a character
00:24:06
and he taught me so much. He studied the so.
00:24:09
In other words, he was a performer.
00:24:13
And then he got saved at 35 years old.
00:24:16
He became a Christian so and then because of my mom, so then
00:24:22
he got passionate about studying the Bible.
00:24:25
He studied all the religions. He had a book, the Cult, The
00:24:29
Kingdom of the Cults. And he would say Vicki and
00:24:32
Jimmy, these are the cults, you know, cult is a false religion.
00:24:36
And he would read the Koran and compare it to the Bible.
00:24:40
And he gave me that hunger and to study the Bible.
00:24:46
That's how it happened. Oh, so that's how it happened.
00:24:48
Oh, so then when I was a teenager, he goes, what do you
00:24:50
want to be when you grow up? And I said, I don't know.
00:24:52
And he goes, well, you should decide.
00:24:54
The sooner you decide, the better you'll be at it.
00:24:56
And I said, well, he goes, if you could be anything, what
00:24:59
would you want to be? I'd go.
00:24:59
I would want to be Maria and the Sound of Music and have the
00:25:03
marry the captain and live in a mansion with seven children and
00:25:06
matching outfits, sit up on the mountain and play the ukulele
00:25:09
and harmonize with my children. And he goes, that sounds like an
00:25:14
actress. And I I never thought of it as a
00:25:18
thing. I thought Maria was magic and I
00:25:21
wanted to be her and and he's like, well, I don't recommend
00:25:26
show business because Christianity and show business
00:25:29
don't mix very well. But if that's what you want to
00:25:32
be, give it 100%. So I did.
00:25:38
Hey Victoria, before you go on to your story, you mentioned the
00:25:42
book Kingdom of the Cults and and then you mentioned Soundy
00:25:45
music, which I also grew up on. I know all the I learned a
00:25:48
ballroom dance in college. To Edelweiss.
00:25:53
I know. I know it's embarrassing, but
00:25:57
it's true. But I just want to give you a
00:25:59
little. This is a factoid.
00:26:00
I think you'll enjoy it. You like to learn.
00:26:02
I know that. Did you know?
00:26:04
And this has to do with a cult. Did you remember the Heavens
00:26:07
Gate? Cult where the mass suicide in
00:26:12
California and the leaders were dough and tea.
00:26:16
I don't know if you remember that the main guy at the end,
00:26:21
well they were Marshall Applewhite and then there used
00:26:25
to be a Bonnie Nettles. I think her name was but she
00:26:28
died before they all did the suicide.
00:26:31
But their nicknames in the cult? They were only to be called a
00:26:34
dough and tea, not Marshall. In Bonnie, and literally it's
00:26:40
because he liked The Sound of Music and they named their cult
00:26:46
names after Doremi. That song in there?
00:26:53
Yeah, Doe and T There you go. There's a random factoid for him
00:26:59
that is interesting and bizarre and bizarre.
00:27:06
So anyway, sorry that was a side note.
00:27:10
So I'm also a little bit like your dad.
00:27:11
I I read that book. I actually on a shelf here.
00:27:14
I have an updated version. Walter Martin I think is the
00:27:18
author Kingdom of the Cults. So what led you to Hollywood
00:27:25
then? And what I'm really interested
00:27:27
about that leap is you have gymnast skills and you're
00:27:36
there's nothing to do with them. Yeah, the the only career for a
00:27:40
gymnast because you peak at 14 is to be a coach.
00:27:45
Like, not each. She was the best in the world.
00:27:48
She won the Olympics, she was the best 10.0.
00:27:51
First time she's a coach, right? And you did it.
00:27:56
You outbeat Nadia because you actually made a career doing
00:28:00
handstands. You know, I recently watched,
00:28:03
you know? Watching clips, getting ready to
00:28:05
talk to you, ran across to Johnny Carson.
00:28:07
I think it's a really, really early one.
00:28:10
You were singing Angry Woman. You were singing Angry Woman,
00:28:16
Angry Woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:21
Yeah. Yeah, and you'd randomly start
00:28:23
doing balance beam stuff and it really made no sense.
00:28:27
But I think that's why you couldn't get your eyes off of
00:28:29
it. You couldn't stop watching.
00:28:32
Thank you. It is on YouTube.
00:28:35
It's in black and white because Jim McCauley, the talent scout
00:28:40
who discovered me, I did my first Johnny Carson doing
00:28:44
handstand poetry because I didn't know how to write jokes.
00:28:48
And I thought, at least people won't take their eyes off me
00:28:51
because they'll be wondering when is she going to fall down
00:28:53
from her handstand. So Johnny Carson liked it.
00:28:57
So they said he wants you back. But it has to be something good.
00:29:00
I go, I only have my B material. My first 6 minutes Johnny
00:29:05
already saw, so they let me do my beam material.
00:29:09
The third time they go, he wants you back and he wants you to sit
00:29:12
on the couch. But it has to be something
00:29:14
really good. I go, I got nothing.
00:29:17
So then I started thinking, well, something really big.
00:29:20
What if I learned my balance beam routine again?
00:29:23
Because now I was 23 and I peaked it, you know, probably
00:29:29
probably 17. And so I went to the gym for
00:29:35
three months. So it wasn't random, Went to the
00:29:39
gym for three months, got some of my tricks back, made-up the
00:29:43
song. And then I did it and it was
00:29:46
that was one of the things I'm most proud of because it was
00:29:48
really hard and the balance being 4 inches wide.
00:29:52
And I was old and I was, but you know, it was a baby compared to
00:29:57
now. But can't do it anymore.
00:29:59
Anyway, yeah, So there's that. I.
00:30:03
Mean the fact that you you casually said.
00:30:06
Did you call it handstand poetry?
00:30:09
I mean, I don't think that's a career category.
00:30:11
You probably learned in school that you're gonna pursue going
00:30:16
back to Nadia. You're right.
00:30:18
So when I had all these skills with nothing to do with them,
00:30:22
and I'm in LA and all the homecoming Queens of America are
00:30:26
in LA trying to be the next Marilyn Monroe or whatever.
00:30:30
Because, you know, I I my theory is that people go to Hollywood
00:30:34
who who have nothing to lose, like my friends who had really,
00:30:38
like a lot of money or really, you know, my, my high school
00:30:43
sweetheart was supposed to marry me.
00:30:45
And I would have been happy living in the suburbs, lower
00:30:48
middle class, married to a cop. But his dad said we weren't
00:30:52
allowed to get married. We were too young.
00:30:54
So I was like, well, I can be a secretary, go to college, quit
00:30:59
type, go back to which I sort of did my life.
00:31:03
Or I could go be a secretary, you know, and wait for him to
00:31:06
graduate. Or I could be a secretary in LA
00:31:09
and chase my whim of acting. So anyway, I went and chased my
00:31:13
whim. That was the only time I thought
00:31:15
I could chase a whim, because I knew I'd be married with
00:31:18
children Sunday. But I but I'm rambling.
00:31:21
I I could talk forever. It was a great adventure.
00:31:24
And God was with me all the time.
00:31:27
And some of the things were hard because, you know, I had to turn
00:31:32
down there. They always want you to be naked
00:31:34
when you're in your 20s. Every audition.
00:31:38
Lots of them. But now that I'm 60, it's not a
00:31:41
problem and I'm 64. It's not a problem.
00:31:44
Nobody asked me to be naked anymore.
00:31:46
That's my little joke. But it's true.
00:31:48
But you know, like I auditioned for movies and I kept getting
00:31:52
bigger parts and bigger parts and and and then you know you're
00:31:57
like, you know, will you sign this clause of partial nudity.
00:32:01
And I'm like, oh, actually the movie I love, I love you to
00:32:10
death that Lawrence passed in directive.
00:32:14
The big chill Lawrence cast in that movie.
00:32:20
I did sign the paper, which is dishonest.
00:32:23
And when I got to the set, I said Lawrence Kasdan.
00:32:27
I can't. I can't be naked.
00:32:29
I can't act. I can't.
00:32:31
I'm a Baptist. I'm a I'm a Christian.
00:32:34
And I'm sorry. And he's like, you know, like
00:32:39
and then and when I auditioned for him.
00:32:43
Christopher, I'm on an interview.
00:32:44
I'll call you back. When I auditioned for him, I had
00:32:50
to cry. I don't cry on Q.
00:32:52
Good. I made myself cry and I really
00:32:55
wanted to be in it. But anyway, it worked out fine.
00:32:59
Kevin Kline said he was in the scene.
00:33:01
He goes, I'll be naked. I'm thinking you don't have to
00:33:05
show nudity to to know somebody slept with somebody.
00:33:08
So they put me in a big man's tshirt and the scene in a big
00:33:14
man's tshirt and Kevin Kline showed his butt naked for a
00:33:18
little peep because as a director, I was all nerdy.
00:33:22
So Kevin Kline was a gentleman. So there, you know, there
00:33:25
there's, there's a Gray area. I was the breadwinner.
00:33:29
I was married to a guy. Then Fire Eater didn't make any
00:33:32
money, had a baby, you know, But I couldn't.
00:33:36
I just couldn't be naked. And then it came up in another
00:33:39
movie. They're like, will you just show
00:33:40
your butt? And, you know, so yeah, it it's,
00:33:45
I mean it Right now in Hollywood, there's so few roles
00:33:49
that I could even audition for because everything on streaming
00:33:54
is like is like shows called Lucifer.
00:33:57
Everything has a homosexual agenda, everything has nudity,
00:34:02
everything has like soft porn. I mean, what in the world could
00:34:07
I even audition for? So it it is hard to be in show
00:34:11
business and be Christian. But now the movement of
00:34:15
Christian movies is rolling along.
00:34:18
They are known for not being good, but they're getting
00:34:21
better. And I'm, I'm, I prayed for, for
00:34:27
a long time. I was like, Lord, please make
00:34:28
the Christian movies better. And now I live in Nashville and
00:34:32
I'm starting to get parts in these movies.
00:34:35
And it's sort of like Lauren going, OK, well, you make
00:34:40
better. You have hands and feet and a
00:34:44
funny voice. You don't make that.
00:34:46
I don't know anyway. They're getting better.
00:34:50
You know, even the Hallmark movies, everything has an
00:34:54
audience. Like, I think they're horrible,
00:34:57
but some people think they're fantastic.
00:34:59
I can't watch them. I would rather watch what's that
00:35:03
thing on YouTube? I'm addicted to YouTube, that
00:35:06
Channel where he has all of the the people, the drug addicts
00:35:09
from Skid Row. What's that one called?
00:35:14
I don't know. I just love.
00:35:15
I love hearing about, like, my personality is really happy, but
00:35:22
I'm drawn to entertainment. That's the opposite.
00:35:25
I guess I have enough happiness or something, I don't know.
00:35:28
It's called soft white underbelly.
00:35:31
Have you heard of it? I haven't.
00:35:33
I was like a heroin addict. And they tell their life story
00:35:37
and you're like, man, they didn't have a chance.
00:35:40
Look at their childhood. No father, drug addict, mother
00:35:44
molested as a child, you know, And you hear these stories and
00:35:47
it's like, there's a lot of sin in the world.
00:35:51
And that's why I wrote the song. It's a broken world, baby.
00:35:56
Right. Well, I think you're drawn to
00:35:58
him because it's real. You know, I I don't prefer to
00:36:03
really like read fiction. I don't have time.
00:36:07
I like to read nonfiction or something.
00:36:08
That's real. Real people, biographies.
00:36:12
Learn something, OK? For instance, Maria Bamford,
00:36:18
She's an atheist and she's one of my favorite comedian.
00:36:22
Her mother was a Christian Speaking of cults, right?
00:36:26
But this fascinates me because I met her once and I I feel like,
00:36:33
how could I explain to her that Jesus is real?
00:36:38
Like what would be the magic? And I think it's up to the Holy
00:36:41
Spirit. I think it's supernatural.
00:36:44
Faith is a gift and only the Lord can save someone.
00:36:48
All we can do is love them and, you know, be a good testimony or
00:36:53
show them the If they read the Bible, they will understand.
00:36:58
But yeah, I like real stuff. Yeah, like you when I was
00:37:02
younger in the church I you have the revelation that leads to
00:37:07
salvation and then phase two is that leads to at some point you
00:37:12
feel called and called to what is the question, but the call to
00:37:19
do what it takes to have other people experience what you did
00:37:22
and that's a life calling. And when I was younger, I
00:37:25
thought, well, that means I'm going to be Billy Graham or I'm
00:37:27
going to do something. You just view ministry as you
00:37:30
see it in front of you, where in retrospect really it's just seed
00:37:39
planning, I think. I think ministry in your life is
00:37:44
what you've done is live a real, authentic personal faith and
00:37:50
then that influences. In a Dark World.
00:37:55
So you maybe intentionally didn't think that when you're
00:37:57
going to Hollywood, but it sounds like you did see it as a
00:38:00
mission field, but not to separate yourself from the
00:38:03
world. Or no one ever gets the
00:38:04
influence of it. Just live a life, Be true to
00:38:08
your faith and your personal relationship with Christ, and
00:38:12
then as the opportunity arises, you have a.
00:38:18
A reason and an answer ready for your faith.
00:38:20
And then that's the seed planning and that you're really
00:38:22
Johnny Appleseed your whole life.
00:38:23
You're not Billy Graham. Yeah.
00:38:26
Yeah, that's good. That's good.
00:38:29
And I and I think along that line is I was taught the
00:38:35
opposite when I was in youth group.
00:38:36
I thought man, I'd never be a good minister because they'd be
00:38:39
like, you have to go let's all go to Taco Bell and witness.
00:38:41
Let's all go ahead and St. witness.
00:38:42
I'm like that would never convert me and I feel.
00:38:47
Like, it's weird and it's great. Some people need to do that, and
00:38:50
I get it works for some people. But for me, I became comfortable
00:38:55
with the be ready when someone If someone hasn't asked a
00:38:59
question, they're not ready for an answer.
00:39:02
That's good. By the time somebody asks a
00:39:05
faith question, they're ready to hear an answer, and God will put
00:39:09
you in their path to answer it for them.
00:39:12
And that's kind of been. My thought on the Christian life
00:39:17
and as I look at your life that kind of seems to be how it flows
00:39:21
mixed with ukulele songs and standing on your head and
00:39:24
everything. Well you know what I've so many
00:39:27
thoughts on this topic. Jesus said go into all the world
00:39:32
and preach the gospel to the Jew 1st and also to the Greek making
00:39:36
make disciples and and so that's a command.
00:39:39
So there's most a lot of religions don't proselytize.
00:39:44
And I didn't proselytize when I went to work at Saturday Night
00:39:48
Live. I tried to be on time, know my
00:39:50
lines, be a, you know, a good professional, you know, and and
00:39:57
then, you know, sometimes if you know somebody, one time they
00:40:01
were writing a sketch about a gay thing was in the 80s.
00:40:05
It wasn't as big as now, and the writers were all talking about a
00:40:10
joke or something. And I I saw a Bible on the
00:40:14
shelf. I took it down and I opened to
00:40:15
Romans one and I said, well, you know what the Bible says about
00:40:19
homosexuality. I said it's in a paragraph equal
00:40:23
to the sin of gossip. And I said, and I and I read it
00:40:29
out loud, you know, gossip, adultery, fornication,
00:40:34
homosexuality, you know all the sins that are normal and they're
00:40:39
like and so. But my, my, my theory about
00:40:47
witnessing is that, you know, God made us all unique.
00:40:51
And and I I love how you explained witnessing, but my
00:40:56
father was a good example to me because he was a women's
00:41:00
gymnastics coach. Okay.
00:41:02
So one day in the gym, Maureen Fowler was doing her beam
00:41:07
routine. My dad's going straighten your
00:41:09
knees, point your toes. Because that's what you say all
00:41:12
day long when you're a coach. That's why I don't want to be 1.
00:41:15
Straighten your knees, point your toes running.
00:41:19
How many times are they? And so, so Maureen, they were
00:41:24
talking and he goes, Vicky come here, he he couldn't remember
00:41:28
anything. Names or Bible verses or where
00:41:31
they come from. He goes, Vicky quote John 316
00:41:34
for Maureen and we're in the gym and leotard chalk on our hands
00:41:39
you know sweaty Miami FL. And I go, I quoted it and he, I
00:41:45
said you don't know John 316. And he goes, she's Catholic and
00:41:49
I go Catholic. People don't know John 316.
00:41:53
And then she goes, no, I've never heard it before.
00:41:56
OK, cut to years later. I'm doing stand up in North
00:42:00
Carolina. Someone says there's a girl
00:42:03
here, a woman here wants to say hi from your childhood.
00:42:07
She's wearing a hat. And.
00:42:09
And I said 00 K So I see her. She's wearing a hat and long
00:42:13
hair. I go, Maureen Fowler, what are
00:42:17
you doing here? I live here.
00:42:18
I heard you were doing stand up here.
00:42:20
Wow. What are you doing?
00:42:21
Here she goes, I've got to tell you something.
00:42:23
We go in the custodian closet with the brooms or whatever, and
00:42:28
she takes off her hat and her wigs.
00:42:29
She says I have breast cancer and she was bald and she's like
00:42:34
stage 4 and she was 36 years old.
00:42:39
And I go, oh, no, I didn't know that.
00:42:43
And she goes, I want to get a hold of your dad because I want
00:42:46
to tell him that he was the first person who ever told me
00:42:49
about Jesus. And I've accepted Jesus as my
00:42:53
savior this year. And all of my children have.
00:42:57
And I said, Marie, that's that's fantastic.
00:43:02
And so as she was dying, her husband would not let her read
00:43:06
the Bible. She called my dad a couple times
00:43:09
and said thank you for being the first one who told me about
00:43:12
Jesus. And then I sent her Bible verses
00:43:17
about, you know, we'll have a new body in heaven.
00:43:20
And all the verses about life after death, you know, death,
00:43:24
where's thy staying out the grave?
00:43:26
Where's thy victory or whatever? And because her husband wouldn't
00:43:30
let her read the Bible, I would send them in the verses and
00:43:33
letters, and her brother Bill would read the letters to her on
00:43:39
her deathbed. And so I got to see how my dad
00:43:44
was a missionary and a preacher and his because wherever a Jesus
00:43:50
follower goes, a Christian, of course, as you brought up
00:43:55
before, is not someone who was born in America or is not a
00:43:59
Muslim. A real Christian is someone who
00:44:03
is a it means little Christ, I think.
00:44:07
Doesn't Christian mean Little Christ?
00:44:10
Little anointed ones. Yeah, I'm blurry.
00:44:14
I think I had a sticker up here anyway.
00:44:18
So you know, the Lord, I mean, we're missionaries.
00:44:21
Wherever we go, whatever we're doing, we're missioners.
00:44:24
We're either bad ones or good ones if we are Christ daughters
00:44:28
if we are believers in him. And and I'm so glad you brought
00:44:32
up the question, what is a Christian?
00:44:34
Because a friend of mine the other day, what's her name?
00:44:39
Sandy. She goes, someone said, are you
00:44:43
a Christian? She goes, look, of course I'm a
00:44:45
Christian. I'm not a Muslim.
00:44:47
And I was like, I was like, oh, my goodness.
00:44:50
I got to tell her what a real Christian is.
00:44:53
And I'm trying to think of how to start the conversation, you
00:44:56
know? So, yeah.
00:44:59
So anyway, you're 1 to talk to how much in common.
00:45:08
My daughter, my daughter, just wrote this book.
00:45:12
This is my daughter. Fighting shame with the God.
00:45:15
Ashamed. It's got very nice.
00:45:18
Yeah. She's this is her 5th book.
00:45:20
She works for Life Way and she's a Christian writer and speaker.
00:45:25
I got some of her books over here, but.
00:45:29
Nice. So what projects?
00:45:31
I know you're working on some stuff now.
00:45:33
What's going on with you? Like career wise?
00:45:37
Well, career wise, as I said, I oh shoot, I have to have to do
00:45:42
one thing. You can leave.
00:45:43
You can leave the record going. I think this is funny and
00:45:46
interesting. OK, this is very interesting.
00:45:51
China Phillips has a my my Bible rings.
00:46:00
OK, I'm. I'm in an interview right now
00:46:03
and I'm China. Phillips started a YouTube
00:46:07
called California preaching because her mom and dad were the
00:46:12
Mamas and the Papas and they wrote this on California
00:46:14
dreaming. China's on fire for the Lord.
00:46:17
I've seen a couple episodes, yeah.
00:46:19
And her husband is one of the Baldwins.
00:46:21
Right. Yeah.
00:46:23
So she. Yeah.
00:46:24
Billy Baldwin. Hold on.
00:46:27
Bible babes. So I'm.
00:46:29
I'm in an interview. It's kind of overlapping because
00:46:33
I was a little late. Sorry.
00:46:34
OK. So anyway, China started a group
00:46:36
called California Healing, and there's like four groups of
00:46:40
women now. We call each other every day at
00:46:43
noon and read the Bible. 4 chapters too old, too new.
00:46:46
Out loud to each other. And it's 12.
00:46:49
It's 1204 and they're waiting for me to read the Bible.
00:46:52
But Bible babes, That's what China calls us.
00:46:56
You you go on without me, OK? And I'll be there tomorrow.
00:47:03
I love you guys. I think we're in.
00:47:06
I think we're in Numbers 4 and Romans 4.
00:47:08
But Amy would know. Yeah.
00:47:09
OK. I love you.
00:47:13
Bye. Can't miss my Bible Bay meeting.
00:47:19
Yeah. Well, do you want to go take
00:47:20
that? I've had you for a long time.
00:47:22
I want to still talk to you, if that's up to you.
00:47:25
No, let's keep going because I'm there, OK?
00:47:28
OK. All right.
00:47:30
Well, so I was going to talk about.
00:47:33
Projects that you're currently working on Christmas movie or
00:47:37
something. Well, I I just did one with
00:47:40
Logan Sekulow. It's called Jingle Smells and
00:47:46
it's a comedy. And I played a political
00:47:50
activist liberal and I was screaming these big words.
00:47:56
It was it was hard to memorize, but then I got there and was all
00:48:01
on teleprompter. I was like, and then I got to
00:48:04
play a principal in the movie into the spotlight.
00:48:07
And I'm just so grateful the Lord's letting me do that funny
00:48:11
stuff. And then on the side, I do my
00:48:13
music stuff. One Huckabee this, this Friday.
00:48:17
So I'm trying to figure out what to wear.
00:48:19
That's the hardest part. Yeah.
00:48:23
And then I'm also in community Bible study.
00:48:25
We're studying Samuel right now. So I got to do that or I'll get
00:48:31
behind. Very good.
00:48:36
Your let's talk a little bit about your breast cancer
00:48:41
situation. Just in the terms of did that,
00:48:47
what did it do to your faith or are you the same person now as
00:48:51
before that? How do you view that whole time
00:48:54
period? Were you faced with mortality
00:48:57
because? I'll start by started off by
00:49:00
saying this. I've said it another podcast.
00:49:02
My favorite scripture is, as much as I like to have fun and
00:49:06
this scripture sounds daunting, is, you know, Ecclesiastes
00:49:11
saying that it's better to be in a House of mourning than a House
00:49:15
of feasting. That your day of death better
00:49:20
than your day of birth. And it all sounds backwards, but
00:49:25
if we're having a great life all the time.
00:49:29
You don't reach out for help and you don't think you need it.
00:49:33
And you know, it's a broken world, as you say and saying,
00:49:36
but sometimes that broken world leads us to Christ, wow, you.
00:49:42
I love talking to you. OK?
00:49:45
We are so like, minded. I mean, yes.
00:49:50
When I had cancer and I was laying in bed on chemo and I was
00:49:54
too weak to lift up the remote to change the TV channel, I was
00:49:58
singing Psalms 23 out loud. And I felt I've never felt
00:50:05
closer to Jesus. And I never felt it was so Jesus
00:50:10
was so real. And I was.
00:50:12
I was like, wow, this is really real.
00:50:15
My faith is real. I really believe he's standing
00:50:18
right next to me, holding my hand.
00:50:21
I drew a picture of it and I can't even draw.
00:50:23
I felt like he was standing right next to my bed, like
00:50:25
standing there and the Bible. The words were so real.
00:50:33
And, you know, first of all, I was beating myself up because,
00:50:38
you know, my dad taught me when I was little.
00:50:40
Don't drink and smoke. Don't overeat, you know, that
00:50:44
leads to a lot of diseases. And I drank a lot of wine in my
00:50:51
period, being trapped in the Miami suburbs for 18 years,
00:50:55
raising my kids, which I hated living there.
00:50:59
My husband was. I gave up my career for him.
00:51:02
And that was hard. It's just sipping wine.
00:51:05
No, no deal. Eyes, nothing like that.
00:51:08
But you know, when you have cancer, you're like, well, I
00:51:11
deserve this. I shouldn't have drank wine or I
00:51:15
shouldn't have had a secret cigarettes in my dressing room
00:51:18
at Saturday Night Live. I never smoked in front of
00:51:20
anyone, never smoked in front of my kids.
00:51:23
I secretly was trying not to get fat and there's a nervous wreck
00:51:30
and you know, so all my sins flashed before me and I was
00:51:36
like, Lord, I'm a Sinner, you know, That's why he died on the
00:51:40
cross. But it says the wages of sin is
00:51:44
death. So there's that.
00:51:45
I mean, you can't smoke 5 packs a day and go, why do I have lung
00:51:50
cancer? I mean seriously.
00:51:54
And so there's that Part of the breast cancer thing is, like
00:51:59
they say, breast cancer comes from sugar.
00:52:02
Well, I'm addicted to sugar. I chewed bubble gum all through
00:52:05
my 20s because I was trying not to eat, because I was trying to
00:52:08
be skinny. So when you get fired from TV,
00:52:11
so you got sugar causes cancer and alcohol and they're very
00:52:17
chemically related and and so but I do have friends who never
00:52:22
drank alcohol and they have breast cancer.
00:52:25
So you know there's that. But after you beat yourself up
00:52:31
you're like you know what my my other thought was that I've I've
00:52:41
never had a terrible tragedy. I know it's about time.
00:52:45
I was 57. I was like, you know what?
00:52:48
I've had a pretty blessed life. It hasn't been, you know,
00:52:51
perfect. I was raised in pretty much
00:52:54
poverty and you know, I was poor and I and I I, you know, I've
00:53:01
been held up with a gun. The Lord protected me.
00:53:04
I mean, I've been through stuff, you know, broken hearts and
00:53:07
stuff, but being lied to and, you know, betrayed.
00:53:13
And that's pretty hard. But but I thought I never really
00:53:18
had one of these cancer, you know, tragedies.
00:53:23
So that is about time. It's about time.
00:53:26
My next thought is I've never been closer to the Lord.
00:53:30
My faith was real. I wrote the book selfishly
00:53:33
because I was bored and I wanted a creative outlet.
00:53:37
But my real goal in everything I do is to tell the gospel, to
00:53:45
tell people that Jesus is God and he's real and he's the
00:53:48
answer to everything. And I've been looking up my old
00:53:53
Saturday Night Live things. And I when I was the Christmas
00:53:56
tree handstand, I mentioned the Lord.
00:53:58
When I was on the update desk with Dennis Miller, I mentioned
00:54:03
the Lord because the joke was Dennis.
00:54:08
I have my priorities straight. You know, #5 I'm a news
00:54:12
reporter, #1 I'm a mother, #2 I'm a Christian.
00:54:15
I knew I should have said Christian first, but it would
00:54:18
have ruined the joke. The joke was I took my baby to
00:54:22
work and filmed her as a reporter instead of anyway.
00:54:27
So what I what I noticed is that all through my whole life I have
00:54:33
tried to do Proverbs 3/5 and six.
00:54:35
Trust in the Lord with all thy heart, and lean that into thine
00:54:39
own understanding in all the ways Acknowledge him and he
00:54:44
shall direct thy past. So I've tried to acknowledge him
00:54:48
in a handstand, in a ukulele song, in my stand up act.
00:54:53
And even when people would have said don't do that, don't sing
00:54:57
about Jesus in a comedy club. The Lord's just and he shall
00:55:02
direct thy past. He is directed in this great
00:55:05
adventure. If you're a Christian, gives you
00:55:08
such a great adventure. And I mean like, I'm still
00:55:12
getting to do comedy against all odds in a world that just trying
00:55:17
to shut me up, trying to blacklist me.
00:55:20
And he's still letting me know. A lot of times I think, you
00:55:22
know, if it's the end times and we're sitting in a jail cell, I
00:55:27
picture this a lot because we're losing freedom of speech as we
00:55:32
speak. I've been kicked off YouTube and
00:55:35
everything. So I think about sitting in this
00:55:40
jail cell with rats running by and someone catching it for
00:55:45
dinner. And I think about me being with
00:55:49
a couple other people. And that's trying to read the
00:55:53
Bible with our brains. You know, like saying what
00:55:57
verses we remember. Like if we all say the verses
00:56:01
that we've memorized, we could kind of put together the Bible
00:56:04
and that would God's word would carry us through that hard time.
00:56:09
Of course we can make up funny ukulele songs about raps or
00:56:12
something. But I think about that like I'm,
00:56:19
I'm, I'm prepared, you know, ever since I was 6.
00:56:22
And I trust the Lord, like whatever he's got, I trust him.
00:56:27
And like when Steven was being stoned to death, sometimes I
00:56:32
think that the Lord maybe maybe made him not feel the pain.
00:56:37
I mean, when I accidentally cut my wrist in the dishwasher, my
00:56:41
body went into shock and I didn't feel the pain for a long
00:56:45
time. So I was thinking maybe the Lord
00:56:49
when you're being burned at the stake or something is makes you
00:56:53
not feel. I don't know.
00:56:54
I just trust him. I think he loves us and and it
00:56:59
and it's such a brief like the Bible says, our trials here are
00:57:03
so brief in the weight of glory of what we're looking forward
00:57:07
to. So big.
00:57:07
But I don't know if I answered your what?
00:57:10
Oh, so the cancer thing. Yeah.
00:57:12
So you would think I would quit eating sugar because I had to go
00:57:15
through double mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and I didn't
00:57:23
eat sugar. Like, I remember when I was
00:57:26
counting how many bubble gums I had a day, you know, no wine.
00:57:30
And I was like, I had two bubble gums today and I looked really
00:57:34
skinny in 2017, maybe. And then gradually as I fall
00:57:40
back into taking health for granted and I'm back to, you
00:57:45
know, lollipops and, you know, being not as health conscious, I
00:57:51
I mean, so it didn't make me a strict, I mean I always ate
00:57:54
healthy fruits and vegetables. I always did that.
00:57:58
But this is my vitamin drink. So, you know, so spiritually I
00:58:08
think it made me a little bolder to witness.
00:58:11
I already, I was already bold, but it made me even bolder.
00:58:15
And this is what I said through the whole year of chemo
00:58:18
treatment and stuff. For me to live with Christ, to
00:58:22
die his game, absent from the body, present with the Lord.
00:58:27
It's a win win. Yeah, it would almost do.
00:58:32
This sounds weird, but almost do everyone a favor if they had.
00:58:38
Well, it's when we're faced with our own mortality or some people
00:58:41
we care about the mortality that we take life seriously.
00:58:44
You know, what was it? What if this was my last day?
00:58:47
Was my life meaningful? When I was about 23, I had a a
00:58:53
brush with death and it it changed my whole life.
00:58:58
I mean, I was a believer, but then it was like, well, what if
00:59:00
this is my last year? So then all my career choices
00:59:04
became based in that frame of mind.
00:59:07
And then I've lived like that ever since.
00:59:08
What if this is my last month? How would I want if I end up
00:59:12
stuck in a hospital? It's my last day.
00:59:14
What I wish I would have lived the last month differently, the
00:59:17
last year differently. And there's a bit of morbidness
00:59:21
to that. But I think that's what
00:59:23
scripture teaches us, is that you don't.
00:59:25
You're not promised tomorrow. You live one day at a time, and
00:59:27
you, you live it to its fullest today.
00:59:30
Yes, scripture does teach that. And I have lived that.
00:59:34
I have lived every day as if it was my last.
00:59:37
I I my parents were so good, and they taught me.
00:59:39
I I don't take anything for. I appreciate every moment.
00:59:44
And I take every moment seriously and every word that
00:59:48
I'm saying, you know? And my, my parents were they
00:59:52
taught me that hey, if you want to know why it's blurry, why I'm
00:59:56
blurry, besides the filter, I have these stickers at my
01:00:00
address. I put on my, you know, camera
01:00:04
because I got hacked before I was eating a lollipop late at
01:00:09
night like my 7th, 1:00 and I was watching something.
01:00:14
Yeah. Seven is a holy number if you're
01:00:16
going to eat 7. If you're going to do them, you
01:00:18
might as well eat seven of them. Wasn't alcohol and I was like
01:00:24
only seventh one. It could have been my 13th, I
01:00:26
don't know. And this man's voice came out of
01:00:30
my computer and said, Wow, really pounded down that sugar,
01:00:33
aren't you? Well, that's creepy.
01:00:36
And I went and I thought, do I, do I have a movie on?
01:00:42
And then I realized someone, but he was watching me, so I slowly
01:00:45
closed. So that's why ever since I put
01:00:48
stickers on there and then I take them off and it's all
01:00:50
blurry. Thank you for what you're doing.
01:00:53
I'm super impressed. You have a beautiful, golden
01:00:56
heart. And you really blessed me today.
01:00:59
And I'm so happy I met you. I'm glad.
01:01:01
Thank you. Well, I've heard you tell Beck
01:01:06
Cook you wanted to be best friends.
01:01:08
I'm thinking, I want to be best friends with her.
01:01:10
Because every time I'd hear you talk, like that's how I think
01:01:12
that was my life, you know? You're totally We're best
01:01:17
friends for life, OK? Perfect.
01:01:20
Gathered among the outlaws, he said.
01:01:23
Come follow me. People from all walks of life
01:01:26
since have been becoming outlaws.