John Schneider shares how a divine hand guided the creation of his latest movie, 'To Die For.' He also tells the story of coming to faith by becoming friends and living with Johnny Cash! Be sure to subscribe to this podcast on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to not miss an episode!
It would be impressive enough for an actor to star in a single show that changed the course of television history with iconic characters and cross-generational appeal, but the fact that John Schneider’s done exactly that on a consistent basis for at least four decades makes him nothing short of legendary. Whether it’s playing Jim Cryer on Tyler Perry’s The Haves and the Have Nots, immortalizing Jonathan Kent on Smallville and Bo Duke on The Dukes of Hazzard, the man of many hats is synonymous with success and one of most ubiquitous faces in all of pop culture. He’s also been seen in everything from the movies Smokey and the Bandit (Burt Reynolds), Felicity: An American Girl Adventure (Shailene Woodley), Sydney White (Amanda Bynes) and Christmas In Tune (co-starring with Reba McEntire) to regularly popping up on Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, Nip/Tuck, The Secret Life of the American Teenager and even showing off some of his own fancy footwork on Dancing with the Stars.
Add in a simultaneous career as a five-time chart-topping country artist with over 20 albums to his credit, including well over 100 new songs since returning to the recording studio in the 2016, alongside writing, directing and starring in a multitude of movies with executive producer Alicia Allain under their own John Schneider Studios/Maven Entertainment banners, and he could quite realistically be counted amongst the most prolific and recognized entertainers of all time. Just ask the most than 10,000 fans who travel annually to their 58-acre compound in Holden, Louisiana for “Bo’s Extravaganza” to swap stories, score autographs, browse memorabilia, take in a classic car show featuring the actual vehicles seen on screen and catch concerts by the most enormous names in music, such as Schneider and lifelong admirer Kid Rock.
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So, I was on John Snyder's to die for a website, talking about
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the DVD or how you can purchase a DVD for your movie to die for,
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right? And I'm reading about the movie
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and I saw you can stream at and then I saw the warning at the
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end. So it says, warning this movie
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is intensely patriotic if patriotism and love of country
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offend you in any way, watch this film then move somewhere
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else. Is filmmaker John Schneider
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called me laugh. You've got to just say you just
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got to say you have to be bold. Yeah.
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Right you know one of the one of the issues I think in in
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Creative circles, has always been not just now, but it has
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always been people who are trying to, please too many
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people, people who are trying to figure out how to make a movie
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that they will, like, or a song that they will like, or write a
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book that they will like, or a recipe or blah, blah blah blah
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blah, instead of trying to make anyone any one of those things
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or all of them, Because I like it, right?
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Let's make a movie. I would not watch, I would not
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pave a road. I would not drive on, now set
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very simplistic, but I think that is the key to why so many
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people miss, the mark, as a mark is always changing, but you're
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not that much when we don't change all that much.
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You know, I still, I still like asparagus and can't stand okra
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my entire life. Now beats I changed my mind.
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Mind on, I like beats. Now, the I haven't gotten that
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far yet. Well, you know, give it time,
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give it time now. Oh my gosh, I'm glad to be on
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your show, glad to be here. And yes, the movie is intensely
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patriotic. I tell people, because I've been
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promoting it now for a couple of weeks.
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It's been out for. Is it the 20th?
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Yeah, it's been out for a month. And I tell people look, just go
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to go to Todai for movie.com and and check out the trailer if you
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like the trailer, going to love the movie and you need to see
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it. If you hate the trailer you're
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going to hate the movie and you really need to see it.
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All right right either way either way.
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Well the cool thing about about John recovering Yankee I'm from
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New York state so I don't have much of a filter I'm a
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Christian, I believe that I believe that God is up to
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something and that I'm part of it.
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I believe God is up to something, and you're part of
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it. I believe that that we've all
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been specifically uniquely designed to do something very
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specific. I think whatever, whatever God
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is for, for anyone who's watching, God is not a.
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You can't think, I don't think you can believe that God is a
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random sort of an ocean. So we just kind of makes makes
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people and does things randomly so that, you know, maybe they'll
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do something in a maybe they'll, you know, maybe that dog will
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bring back a bird? Maybe not?
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I don't know. I don't think I don't think
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that's what anybody's God is really about.
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So so we forget we're both. I'm sorry.
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So for you, what makes your Christianity something?
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Maybe you choose because you like the moral guidelines or you
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like the community and it brings you peace or comfort of a
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possible afterlife. But what makes it real?
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Because Christ actually never called people to be Christians,
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right? Correct called The Leaf
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something. Yeah.
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What's real for me is the battle.
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The battle, the battle field, the bat the battle that we are
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in the purpose that we have. Maybe it's just, that's it.
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The purpose. I refuse to believe that we are
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again, back to that word, random that we're, we're just random
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and we have no purpose. We're here.
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Filtering are for lack of a, taking up, a little space,
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filtering, a little air. And I just, I don't believe
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that. So what I, what really gets me
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going is knowing like when when I was inspired to write to die
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for. I heard a story about a guy so
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this is one of those you could call this like a God moment, you
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call it a paranormal moment, you could call it.
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And I think everybody has these several times in their lives,
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where all of a sudden you go. Well, you're I get it, I get it.
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I know what I'm supposed to do. At least today or at least right
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now. I know what I'm supposed to do.
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So I heard a story about a guy that chose jail.
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Overtaking, the American flag off the back of his pickup
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truck. There had been a restraining
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order put against him as came over my Facebook sometime last
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year and the last year about a year ago And so rather than
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rather than adhere to a restraining order, that said he
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can't go within 100 yards of the local high school with the
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American flag on the back of his truck.
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He said no I'm going to go, I'm going to go anyway and he got
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arrested for it gladly and I thought you know, I am that guy.
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I am not afraid to publicly exhibit what I believe in.
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Okay, and what I believe in is not not, you know, powder, blue
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sweaters, and trying to be nicer than Jesus.
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I believe we're in a battlefield and I believe that we have
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something to do and I believe that opposition is actually our,
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our measure of our Effectiveness.
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If we have no opposition, kind of like, sports, if you got the
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basketball, and nobody's on your butt right away, then you're
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probably not a very good player. Yeah.
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So, this whole movie came, flooding out was easy.
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Thing I ever wrote. It was like, oh, okay, I'm going
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to start with that guy goes to jail.
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Bam! All right, what happened on
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either. So, okay, and all of a sudden,
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it wasn't like my fingers were typing, but every scene in the
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movie just came, just threw me. I wrote it.
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I don't right from beginning to end.
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I write, you know, store at the plotlines.
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I write I'll write all of One plot line and then I'll write
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the other. So, I have a little a little
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system, but I don't. I think this took a week to
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write, but right alongside of you've got to write this movie
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and you've got to play this guy came, it must be available by
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October 20th, 20:22, so that people will see it before the
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midterms Interesting. Yeah, so and that's exactly what
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happened now, I didn't, I didn't sit sit down and wait for
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someone else to make this movie. I didn't go out and try to find
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someone else to make this movie, my wife, and I made this movie,
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And it got out October 20th before the midterms.
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Wow, and, which is impossible from from inspiration to
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distribution. Can't be a year, right?
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But it was, that's another sign I believe that God is involved
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in that because that is a supernatural event.
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There is, there's no no creative world in which anyone gets
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anything out that quick except maybe a demo of a song.
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You know, right? And and depending on the song,
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you know, maybe the song takes the World by storm but that's
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that's, you know, two and a half minutes.
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Played once and then and then painstakingly mixed.
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That's not a 97-minute film, right that.
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And and right after I made that commitment started writing, we
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were doing an event where I was singing at a think it was a
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truck drivers event paying tribute to our truck drivers
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because they're amazing. And I heard a song down the
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hall. It was all about it was called.
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That's why we stand about. This is why we stand when when
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they fly that flag and sing that song.
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So I walked down the hall in a guy I hadn't seen in probably 30
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years name is Billy, Dean was singing this song that he had
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written for somebody who was sitting in there.
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And I said Billy that is that is beautiful.
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And I I just wrote or I'm in the process of writing a screenplay
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that that song has got to be in and he said okay, so the movie
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book ends with not just a song. That's kind of the right song.
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This is the perfect song for this movie.
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So that to me, says, Not only was I doing the right thing, but
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I was now in the right place with the right set of ears on
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with my door open. And that so that this song could
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be basically just given to this project.
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So it's that to me is another sign that not only am I on the
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right track but God pays attention and isn't it true?
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No matter what the sales are or the financial outcome?
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When you feel like you're doing the right thing that something's
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happening higher than you and you're at the right place and
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the right mode, that's what brings the joy.
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The excitement. I mean, talking about it you
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look like you're about to pop out of that seat.
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That that is what brings you joy and excitement.
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But I will tell you, I also believe this that if you are on
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the right track and if you have been supernaturally touched by
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God, and you are doing what he designed you to do that, you
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won't be able to buy a trashcan, big enough to hold the money
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right, okay. What brought you to, you don't
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do it for that, you know? This.
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An important important distinction.
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You don't do it for that, but it will come.
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It has come. This is and that doesn't mean
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that some somebody that you have or John Schneider has last week
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called the enemy. It doesn't mean that Netflix.
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All of a sudden says, hey, we want that movie.
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Here's a million dollars. No, I don't want your million
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dollars because I can find a bucket big enough to put your
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million dollars in. But there's not a bucket, big
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enough. Ruff.
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If this is a God thing, then this thing is just going to
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churn out Patriots. It's going to encourage people
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to stand up for what they believe in.
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It's going to encourage conversation and it's going to
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make enough money so that we can turn around and do it again
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without ever having to compromise or even consider
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going to work with those people privately that we publicly speak
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against. Right.
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That is the seed and the evolution of hypocrisy there.
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My gosh. Listen to that very good.
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I'm gonna ride it. That's the seed and the cook.
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Yeah, the transcript. Yes.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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And that's the definition of an outlaw, you know, I love, I love
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Outlaws. But speaking of that was I was
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asking you how you came to Faith.
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I know a little bit of it, but it has to do with an outlaw.
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Well, it has musically. I tell you.
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It had Johnny Cash. Was the first Christian that
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wasn't. I said it earlier.
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It wasn't trying to be nicer than Jesus that I spent I think
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he said wearing nice. Nice sweaters.
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Well, nice. We know little powder blue,
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sweaters. And how are you?
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Oh, I'm just so blessed. I really didn't.
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You just didn't you just lose your house?
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Didn't they? Just yes.
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But you know I've read the book brother and right?
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I know how it turns out. I said well no you know, it
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doesn't turn out that way. Doesn't turn out that way.
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If you sit on the fence and watch stuff that only turns out
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that way. If the people God has enlisted
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into his army, this is John Schneider talking, the people
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who God has enlisted into his army do something.
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Then yes, it will turn out that way.
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But if not, God will wait till the right people get boots on
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the ground. So, I lived with Johnny Cash.
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We did a movie called Stagecoach.
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You got to stop first. Nobody can start a sentence with
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I lived with John Cash and Then move on.
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I mean, how does that happen? Well, we did a movie called
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Stagecoach and John and I, he was our.
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I was a big, Johnny Cash, man. He was a big Dukes of Hazzard
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fan. He and June.
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And John Carter used to watch Dukes of Hazzard all the time
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and John had recorded a song on The Dukes of Hazzard.
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Album called the General Lee. So, when we met to do this movie
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before Ike, this is the kind of guy he was before I could come
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up and say mr. Cash, I'm John Schneider.
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He came up and found me and said mr.
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Schneider, I'm John Cash on, we never miss your show and I love
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your music. Very nice.
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Very disarming. Wonderful.
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So we spent two or three weeks sitting together on a stagecoach
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because I was the driver and he was the Marshal.
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So we were, we were hip to hip elbow to Elbow for the, almost a
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whole time. We shot this film.
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And at the time, he was part of the highwomen.
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So they were winning Awards and all kinds of things were
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happening for them. Willie was in the movie.
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Chris was in the movie. Wailing was in the movie.
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So, they were all in the movie, and I was in the movie.
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What? What?
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People don't realize. Is that when we were doing that
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out of those five people, I actually had the number one,
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country album in the country. So, my music was going great,
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which is why John was very aware of my music.
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So he said, when we get done, are you going to make another
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album? And I said, yes, he said, where
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are you going to stay? And I said, I'll probably stay
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somewhere the rent a place, close to the studio, and he
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said, don't be silly, come stay with us out in Hendersonville.
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So by this time, we were just Buddies.
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I knew he was a man of God, I knew that I knew that he did not
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cover up his scars. And I knew he didn't have a
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secret powder, blue sweater, tucked away somewhere in a, in
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a, in a Samsonite suitcase and if he did, he'd be a black one,
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it be a black screen and have a hole in it by golly and his
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right hand and a cigarette burn somewhere.
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So, so, I did, I went out and I stayed and I warned him.
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I said, you know, I kind of like that.
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Guest that won't leave. So because of the nature of
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touring, I think I was, I lived there for probably a year and a
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half, not not full time. But when I came back to
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Nashville in between gigs Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I
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would live, I would live there in the in the Blue Room, the
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blue room was mine and then I moved across the street to a
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place that is now, John Carter's recording studio, but it was, it
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was wonderful. But back, Again, this was, this
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was a man who was not afraid to be who God made him to be and do
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what God wanted him to do and occasionally.
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Look down and go. Well, that's not the coil,
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that's not the path. I better get back on it and you
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know reserve the right to be human all be.
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It focused on what he was supposed to do.
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So it was a it was a great example.
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Great, great example, it's why to this day, I say Jesus loves
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me too much, for me to drink cheap scotch you know which
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which of them here. Eh. infuriates a lot of a lot of
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folks, but in my mind, If there was something wrong with it, he
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would have turn wine into water. And if I'm wrong, Johnny, if I'm
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wrong. Johnny Cash was appealing to you
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because he was real, he was real that right.
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He was, he was, he was rough. Yeah, he was he was manly.
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He was flawed. He was scarred and he didn't
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hide any of that. Hmm, which I think is that is
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the most. Yeah.
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The most, the most appealing part of all that is, it was no
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pretense. So, when did it become personal
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to you, or became your faith? Not, you know, watching Johnny's
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Faith. Well, I had become a Christian
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just before that and then I then the the people started
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surrounding me out in Hollywood Christianity, and it sounds like
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I'm saying, terrible things, it's not, that's just kind of
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kind of the vibe out here than in the 80s.
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Was that if you were Christian, you had to be nice and
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everything had to be just swell. Sure, right at the Flanders on
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The Simpsons. Yeah, neighbors.
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And yeah, and the church lady and yeah, all that.
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And so that just never That didn't appeal to me.
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So it became real right away. The little brown church of the
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valley on cold water, and Moorpark became very real to me
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right away. Oh, that's what unconditional
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love is. Oh, that's what their GI Jesus
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is, right in between that unusual relationship.
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I'm looking at and then so it was totally real right away.
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My perspective changed not drastically, a perspective.
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Change is Tiny, But like with a gun, if you if I am here, I'm
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going to shoot that guitar back there.
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If I am here. I'm going to shoot the one next
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to it and further away, you know, the perspective, a tiny
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change in perspective, changes everything.
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And then the, the gee, golly swell people started to surround
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me and then it started to diminish.
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You know, it started to where we're away, you know, if this,
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this was not the real thing I had seen. then when I did I did
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Stagecoach that real thing was there in the flesh and someone
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that I was a big fan of and respected greatly so that that
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solidified it then I'm glad I'm I'm delighted and I have enjoyed
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being that Christian person that Christian many Christians go,
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hmm, you know, and then they say things like well you know, if
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you were a real Christian, I'm going.
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Oh, you know, I'm so glad that you have so much time.
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You are so secure in your relationship with God, that you
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have time to advise me on. Mine isn't that swell?
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Golly, gee. She so, you know, I'm from New
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York, I'm a bit sarcastic, but I think tried only son of that
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you're not from the south and trouble with the law since the
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day you were born. No, I do beat all you ever saw
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though. So all that to say, what?
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What that boils down to. Is that when when when we know
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we're on the right track we go for it with that.
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We kind of go for everything. We do with everything we've got
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we're Alicia and I are both all in kind of people to the extent
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where we feel. If you're not all in, then
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you're out kind of a Ricky Bobby if you ain't first.
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You're last. for those of you who don't know, Ricky Bobby
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that's Talladega Nights, right? So right now you're doing the
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movies and you do music is that kind of at your pleasure or do
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you do? Are you doing tours that I see
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you had a recent album? Yeah, there's an album called
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Southern ways that's the latest one.
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I've had like twenty twenty four albums, five, number one songs.
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So this isn't just a hobby But I've got a gig in Colorado.
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It's not like it used to be. Nothing is like, it used to be
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20, 20, kind of killed killed everything, musically, but the
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only only people really that survived.
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After that were the, the steady gig Barb and people, and the
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stadium people. So all the, all the folks in the
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middle moderately successful, Visions had been, it's hard to
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hard to Rally back. We will, I'm just not really
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sure we do music. We did three, what we call
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Southern horsepower, comedy movies, Christmas cars.
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Stand on it, Poker Run, and actually, we're in the process.
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Almost finished writing, double or nothing.
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They're very much like Dukes of Hazzard.
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Very much like Smokey and the Bandit, and with those films.
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When we attach a new album to them, so Poker Run had a lot of
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the album Southern ways in it. So the next one double or
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nothing, which is the third installment of stand on it,
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that'll have that'll have new music, and we'll go out and we
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will, it's great because we can go and do music and show a
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movie. So that lends itself a lot to
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drive-ins of which during 2020, a lot of drive-ins got a kind of
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boost and a shot in the arm and many of them are still open,
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people love the whole Drive in Vibe.
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So we'll do a new album for that because of the nature of to die
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for. And because of the Billie Dean
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song, I didn't want to touch that song at all.
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Part of me thought. Well, you know, maybe you should
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read Cord that know the song was perfect.
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The, the circumstances under, which it it was I became aware
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of it were perfect and I didn't want to, I didn't want to mess
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with that at all. So where we just have a great
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time, you know, in our sandbox, we make movies, we put music in
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the movies, we go, and we show the movies.
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Two people I Love Popcorn so and go on cool podcast like that.
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We do cool podcast with a There you go to jail for wearing that
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hat and in some that's right. Gladly gladly gladly gladly.
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Here's a question, I like to ask on occasion.
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I kind of like to end with on occasion is if this
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unfortunately, or fortunately was your last day of living, we
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all have a last day. Uh-huh.
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Hopefully for years. It's a long time, down the road.
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But if it wasn't What would you have hoped your life was or your
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accomplishments were what would matter to you the most?
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Well, I tell people that you're going to You're going to leave a
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mark here, one way or the other. You're going to leave a mark,
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it's up to you. While you are still breathing to
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do everything, you can to make sure that Mark is not a stain.
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so so my sincere hope is that One to 20 somebody
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somewhere. the day I die or at least the day after will say,
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you know, if it weren't for that man, I never would have blocked.
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so, to inspire, That's the that's that's the goal.
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To inspire and we made a movie. Oddly enough, I don't recommend
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well, actually we made a move, he's got terrible awful,
00:25:28
wonderful language in it. That that's it pretty much a
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Gruesome. Comedy kind of like Fargo but
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funny and kind of like Natural, Born Killers, but funny.
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All the Anderson bench And the the premise behind it was
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because I was I was living a terrible marriage.
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The premise behind it was, if you knew it's kind of, its kind
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of your question turned inside out.
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If you knew that you were in the process of living, not the best
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day you've had yet, but the best day you will ever have.
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How would you end it? And if you're not squeamish,
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check out Anderson bench, don't show it was here.
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Don't don't, don't show it at your daycare.
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Don't show it at your Bible study.
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It is unabashedly odd and I think quite delightful But let's
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end with a step further question.
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If This Were A Last Day based on your faith, what do you expect?
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Well done. Good and faithful servant.
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Very good. Well spoken, thank you, my
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Friday night, right? That that's plagiarism, right?
00:27:02
Yeah, I'd love to take credit for take credit for the how.
00:27:06
Yeah. Alright, thank you John.
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I appreciate it. You are so.
00:27:10
Welcome much success to you. Thank you for everybody who's
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listening expect. These paranormal things to have.
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That's it really quickly. Expect great things, expect odd
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things, expect opportunity. Every day because it's out
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there. So expect that weird thing where
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all of a sudden you're oh my gosh, I can't not write this.
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Oh, I can't not sing this old. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go over
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there and help that person or I'm going to bring an extra
00:27:43
gallon of gas in the back of my truck case, I need it for the
00:27:46
case. Somebody else does if you're
00:27:48
touched by that kind of odd out of left field left field, left
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field in generation, listen to it and see where it takes you.
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I think you'll be surprised. I think you'll be surprised.