Amy Scobee, author of "Scientology - Abuse at the Top," worked at the highest echelons of the Scientology organization and managed the Celebrity Centre network. After 27 years, she finally broke free in 2005 and has been exposing Scientology's rampant human rights violations ever since. Her story was the catalyst for the Emmy award winning TV series, Leah Remini-Scientology and the Aftermath and Amy recently launched a YouTube channel @QueenBee-SP, detailing the organization's dark side. This episode is a livestream of "Becoming Outlaws" with Amy as she shares her story, provides updates on Scientology and answers viewer questions.
00:00:00
Gavin among the outlaws, he said.
00:00:03
Come follow me. People from all walks of life
00:00:06
since have been becoming outlaws.
00:00:12
Hey, all welcome. If you are on Amy Scobey's
00:00:17
YouTube channel, A shout out to you and you're on the right
00:00:20
place. I'm not Amy Scobey and she's
00:00:22
okay. Nothing's wrong.
00:00:24
She's going to be on in a minute.
00:00:26
You are on the Becoming Outlaws podcast, which is available on
00:00:30
all major podcast platforms. You can look it up, subscribe,
00:00:35
and what we do here is we engage celebrities, scholars, diverse
00:00:40
voices, in this case Amy, in candid conversations about
00:00:44
following Jesus, defying societal norms, and exploring
00:00:50
profound and sometimes not profound questions of faith.
00:00:55
So the Church of Scientology, what is happening?
00:00:59
They often get a lot of negative press, but lately it's been kind
00:01:03
of off the rails. Are they imploding?
00:01:08
That's what we're going to talk about a little bit.
00:01:09
We're also also some of the headlines with Amy.
00:01:12
We're going to hear a bit of Amy's story and this is a chance
00:01:15
for you to take Amy will be taking live questions from you.
00:01:20
So if you have any questions about Scientology Amy's
00:01:23
experience, get your questions ready.
00:01:27
If you're watching on some of the platforms, I have it on my
00:01:29
Facebook. You can share that feed so other
00:01:33
people will have a chance to hear what she has to say and do
00:01:37
it social. Be social.
00:01:38
People in the top shares tonight of this live broadcast will
00:01:43
receive a free Dianetics session.
00:01:48
No, I'm kidding. That's not true.
00:01:50
Amy Scobey, author of Scientology Abuse at the Top,
00:01:53
worked at the highest echelons of the Scientology organization
00:01:57
and manage the Celebrity Center network.
00:02:01
After 27 years, she finally broke free in 2005 and has been
00:02:08
exposing Scientology's rampant human rights violations ever
00:02:14
since. Her story was the catalyst for
00:02:17
the Emmy Awardwinning TV series Leia Remedies, Scientology and
00:02:21
the Aftermath. And Amy recently launched a
00:02:25
YouTube channel at Queen Bee SP, which I'm sure she'll talk
00:02:30
about. It's doing very well, detailing
00:02:33
the organization's dark side. Welcome, Amy.
00:02:37
Hey, Hi, Ken. How are you?
00:02:41
Very good. Glad you're back.
00:02:43
This is fun. You're a pro.
00:02:45
How did you say you're a pro at live?
00:02:48
This is my first live. Amy had to talk me through it.
00:02:50
Oh, this is your first live? Well, we have the best
00:02:54
community, I'm telling you. So they're forgiving.
00:02:57
But I don't know about that free Dianetic session, I can tell you
00:03:00
that. I thought, oh good, everyone's
00:03:04
going to go somewhere else. Yeah, no free diagnotics.
00:03:08
Sorry. No.
00:03:10
Oh my goodness. Well, I'm really OK.
00:03:13
Everyone who knows me, you know, thank you for being here.
00:03:17
And, you know, I'd like to call out some of the places you're
00:03:20
watching from because it's all over the place, which is
00:03:22
wonderful. But this is my friend Ken, and
00:03:25
he's got an awesome podcast and I've I've done an, I did an
00:03:29
interview with you. What is it a year ago now?
00:03:32
I think it's about a year, probably a little.
00:03:36
Less about a year ago and you know I love your podcast.
00:03:40
You've got such diverse everything there and.
00:03:45
You know, I I was pretty proud because the trailer to my video
00:03:48
was one of your best until the American heartthrob.
00:03:56
Yes, he was Beau Duke on Duke of Hazzards and he was like in the
00:04:00
70s, he was every girl's dream. So yeah, yeah.
00:04:09
But anyway, your your content is fantastic and I'm happy that you
00:04:12
have an interest in Scientology as well because.
00:04:15
For the people who watch your channel and you've got lots of
00:04:18
subscribers across the various all kinds of different channels,
00:04:24
I want them to be able to know what goes on in Scientology.
00:04:27
And you know, some of the things that we've been working to
00:04:31
expose and working to expose, and I think that we're starting
00:04:35
to make some headway on really raising the awareness and maybe
00:04:40
even getting some justice. So I focus on Scientology.
00:04:47
There's other religions or organizations I consider cult.
00:04:51
And I always like to say when I start that this isn't against
00:04:55
people. This is because we care about
00:04:58
people. We're not against the
00:05:00
Scientologists. We don't like any organization,
00:05:04
and people can believe what they want to believe and and whatnot.
00:05:07
And it's not about fighting other people's world views and
00:05:10
their beliefs and religion, about human rights and the
00:05:16
constitutional rights and people being abused.
00:05:19
That's what we're talking about. Yeah, you know, that's that's
00:05:23
the whole reason why I started speaking out.
00:05:26
Because as soon as Scientology said okay, we're going to, if
00:05:31
you're not going to cooperate, we're going to take your mom
00:05:33
from you. We're going to force
00:05:35
disconnection. And meantime, there's PR.
00:05:38
Puppet spokesperson Tommy Davis was on CNN saying we don't
00:05:43
practice anything like disconnection, which is right in
00:05:46
their policies and it's such a bald faced lie.
00:05:49
And I was in the in the midst of the worst disconnection
00:05:52
situation with my mom who was trying to fight it, but then her
00:05:57
husband was still in and so she had to make a decision between
00:06:00
her husband and her livelihood and being able to be connected
00:06:04
with her daughter. What kind of a choice is that?
00:06:06
You know, it's a basic, right, Amy, let's start some.
00:06:11
A lot of people on YouTube channel.
00:06:12
I mean they know what Scientology is and they're
00:06:14
they're supporting you and they want to hear the updates and and
00:06:16
everything and we'll get to that.
00:06:18
But let's do a quick high view, especially for some of my folks,
00:06:22
that if all you know about Scientology is that a lot of
00:06:25
celebrities are involved and there's some kind of Big Blue
00:06:27
building in California, and you hear rumors of them harassing
00:06:33
people that leave, that's pretty much your knowledge.
00:06:37
Like an elevator? Speed of what?
00:06:40
Is Scientology? Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:06:44
All you need to know is that they have a Big Blue building,
00:06:48
that there are some celebrities who are full of delusion,
00:06:54
delusion of grandeur, that they think that they're going to.
00:06:56
They're in a group that's saving the planet.
00:07:00
No, anyway, really, I mean. There isn't much to know about
00:07:05
Scientology other than it was a science fiction writer that that
00:07:10
wrote a religion. Because he said if you want to
00:07:14
get rich, quick start a religion.
00:07:16
And he did. And he was a writer, and he just
00:07:21
wrote and wrote and some of the stuff caught on, like from
00:07:26
originally from his book Dianetics, that if you try to
00:07:29
read it, you're pretty much going to sleep through it.
00:07:31
But some people found it helpful and from there started
00:07:38
individual churches and called it Scientology.
00:07:40
When now you're dealing with the spirit.
00:07:44
But anyway, it's it's really just a bunch of gobbledygook.
00:07:48
And I hate to give it like any sort of legitimacy whatsoever
00:07:53
because it is a cult. Like if you look at the entire
00:07:57
definition of a cult. And say it has 100 points.
00:08:01
Well, Scientology fits 100 and one of those.
00:08:03
So, you know, it's it's just a destructive cult that that lures
00:08:07
people in with basic things like, you know, we help improve
00:08:12
relationships or we will, you know, improve your communication
00:08:16
or give you skills for life. And they have these little basic
00:08:20
courses that cost almost nothing, and they love bomb you
00:08:23
and you get in there and you start becoming, you know,
00:08:26
having. Friends that you make there and
00:08:31
everybody is just like really welcoming you in.
00:08:33
And as you get further and further in, you're paying more
00:08:37
and more money and giving them more and more of your time.
00:08:39
You're giving them your kids. You're giving them everything of
00:08:43
your life and and then and you're shamed.
00:08:47
And if you ever disagree or try to break away, they will attack
00:08:51
you and come after you and won't stop.
00:08:54
So that's what a lot of the lawsuits, they currently have 5
00:08:59
lawsuits against them that I'm aware of.
00:09:00
There may be more which address some of these things, yeah.
00:09:06
And that's based on the fair game policy.
00:09:09
Just some of them. Some of them are.
00:09:11
The fact that they are obstructing justice, the fact
00:09:14
that they, yeah, that they get going sex trafficking.
00:09:20
There's a sex trafficking lawsuit.
00:09:21
There's child labor violation lawsuit.
00:09:23
There's the fair game that Leah has, and also the Jane Doe's on
00:09:27
stalking them and harassing them when they were trying to get
00:09:31
some justice. And then a grand jury on
00:09:35
obstruction of justice on the last case with the Jane Doe's,
00:09:40
which found Danny Masterson guilty as a serial rapist and
00:09:46
sign and Scientologist in good standing.
00:09:48
Now any church can have a bad apple in it.
00:09:51
It doesn't necessarily reflect on the church, but the reason
00:09:54
this one looks so bad is that it's the cover up for years or
00:09:58
the protection of criminal activity.
00:10:01
Is that right? Like with.
00:10:02
Precisely. Yes, he was.
00:10:05
He's been in good standing the entire time and the Jane Doe's
00:10:10
who were Scientologists who came forward.
00:10:13
They were put through the ringer for even suggesting that their
00:10:17
prized celebrity had something wrong with him and they've been
00:10:21
threatened to go to the police. And then they were like, you
00:10:24
know, fair gamed and and attacked, but they were just
00:10:28
trying to get justice. And so, Scientology, it goes
00:10:31
way, way back because it's L Ron Hubbard policy about you don't
00:10:37
do anything that's going to. Adversely affect Scientology
00:10:42
because Scientology is man's only help Hope for salvation.
00:10:47
And so if Danny Masterson being a Scientologist brings in more
00:10:52
people, then you can sweep some stuff under the rug.
00:10:56
And anyone who you know, tries to upset the apple cart, they're
00:11:00
the target. You know?
00:11:03
So. It's going to backfire, though.
00:11:06
Continue to backfire. We're referencing fair game.
00:11:09
So for people don't know, fair game would be Ron L Hubbard's
00:11:15
law or rule in the church that you can anybody who seems as a
00:11:21
threat like yourself, or who leaves the church, or
00:11:26
journalists, or anybody right who seems like an enemy of the
00:11:29
church. It's fair game to ruin them
00:11:33
almost at any any lengths possible.
00:11:36
Yeah. I mean, L Ron Hubbard's policy
00:11:38
says to utterly destroy their enemies so and that to no
00:11:43
penalty for the Scientologist who does it.
00:11:46
So that's their internal policy. I've watched your YouTube
00:11:49
episode with Leah Remini, and that is her lawsuit.
00:11:55
And her examples, right? Would be that just building
00:11:58
websites to just view all kinds of slander?
00:12:03
Yeah, harassment, following people, videoing people, trying
00:12:09
to enter. They even interfere in potential
00:12:12
job opportunities for you, right?
00:12:13
I mean, it's a total. Like they try to stop total
00:12:18
annihilation. I mean, I did a video with a
00:12:22
private investigator that was hired to watch me at some point
00:12:27
at 2000 and nine 2010, and she was with a group of people who
00:12:32
were all. On the ME and a couple other
00:12:38
people in the Clearwater area, and they had probably like 3 or
00:12:43
4 sometimes cars chasing after us.
00:12:45
Everywhere we went they had cameras in us.
00:12:47
They had people befriend us that, you know, pretended to be
00:12:52
a friend so that they could get information and they had cameras
00:12:56
trained inside our house to watch our every move.
00:13:00
Inside, they rented the cottage right next to us.
00:13:04
They even got rented directly downstairs to see if they could
00:13:08
hear us through the floorboards. You know, they threw dead rats
00:13:11
in our swimming pool after we'd spoken to the ABC Nightline.
00:13:15
Like, just just total intimidation.
00:13:19
And meantime, constant phone calls to my stepdad telling him,
00:13:23
you know, different things from the Office of Special Affairs.
00:13:25
I mean, they're just they. We always had to work for
00:13:28
ourselves because they. Well, I have 14 websites attack
00:13:35
sites on me. If you search my name this way
00:13:38
or that way or this way or that way, it's going to take you to
00:13:40
their stupid website, you know, where it says how I'm so
00:13:44
terrible. But none of that stuff is
00:13:47
working and we're just going to continue to expose it.
00:13:51
And it didn't shut us up, is how.
00:13:54
I mean, it's not working. Yeah, we might.
00:13:56
Not be able to freely go wherever we want to or freely
00:14:01
work wherever we want to or whatever, knowing that they're
00:14:03
constantly working to destroy us, but it's not working to
00:14:08
intimidate us and we're going to continue to speak out.
00:14:11
We even found it was it was leaked what's called the office
00:14:15
of special affairs secret files on on their defectors and it had
00:14:21
documents on me that said and it was before I was even speaking
00:14:25
out, it was like. Find everything and everything
00:14:28
and who's like who they're in contact with, and you know what
00:14:33
it is that they cherish and destroy it, like type of thing.
00:14:36
And so they're just actively applying L Ron Hubbard spy
00:14:41
techniques to destroy critics because that's what L Ron
00:14:45
Hubbard said to do, goes back to him.
00:14:47
And it's a policy, so it's not going to change.
00:14:49
They're not going to change their stripes.
00:14:52
Right. That that's why the lawsuits are
00:14:53
so important, because we need external pressure on Scientology
00:14:58
to force them to change their policy and their destructive
00:15:01
actions. I'm sorry, I know that I'm going
00:15:04
on and on, but boy, this is a topic that gets me fired up.
00:15:07
Yeah, well, it should. You were in there 27 years and
00:15:13
you were even sexually assaulted as as a young person, right, 14?
00:15:19
14 years old and that's not an isolation incident.
00:15:23
I mean, would you say that's a culture?
00:15:27
The cover up is what the culture is.
00:15:30
Yep. And I'm sure that there's other
00:15:34
people. I've heard of several other
00:15:37
people with a similar situation. So I don't know about a culture,
00:15:40
but but what I do know happens no matter what, because it's
00:15:45
their policy is to cover up things like this never go to the
00:15:48
police. It's in their own ethics book.
00:15:52
Maybe I could find it like, yeah, here.
00:15:57
So in their ethics book, it's a high crime to report or threaten
00:16:02
to report Scientology or Scientologist to civil
00:16:05
authorities in an effort to suppress Scientology or
00:16:08
Scientologist from practicing or receiving standard Scientology.
00:16:13
Yeah. So there's like a whole bunch of
00:16:17
points that say that and similar things to that.
00:16:21
Where it is absolutely against Scientology policy to report you
00:16:28
handle within. So when I had the rape situation
00:16:31
when I was 14 years old, I was put into what they call a lower
00:16:37
condition and made to work through treason, enemy, doubt,
00:16:42
liability and all this and for my.
00:16:47
Contribution Thank you very much.
00:16:49
The man was 35 years old, married executive in the in the
00:16:53
organization and I just got in there as a 14 year old.
00:16:56
And you know, anyway, I'll spare you the details, but he then was
00:17:06
later promoted to being in charge of the ethics of all the
00:17:10
staff at that organization. Now he then.
00:17:15
Went on to become a serial child rapist and he actually went to
00:17:20
prison, not because of Scientology, who covered up his
00:17:23
actions, but because his brother put him there.
00:17:26
Because his brother's daughter, who was eight years old, was
00:17:29
assaulted by this man. And so I my point is that if
00:17:36
Scientology would have gone to the authorities or even told my
00:17:39
parents or anything, who would have put him in jail at the
00:17:42
time? It would have saved other people
00:17:44
from being abused by this monster.
00:17:46
And the same thing happened with Danny Masterson.
00:17:49
So two people get a conviction now, and he's in prison for life
00:17:53
without the possibility of parole for 30 years.
00:17:57
And apparently there's upwards of like 23 women who have come
00:18:01
forward saying that the same thing has happened to them.
00:18:04
They just weren't involved with the lawsuit.
00:18:06
So this guy's a serial, you know, predator.
00:18:11
And a big problem. And Scientology did not handle
00:18:14
him and did not take the proper action and covered it up.
00:18:18
So they're accessory to the crime?
00:18:23
Yeah. And do you think they're
00:18:27
imploding? Do you think that's possible or
00:18:29
were they just get dense in their armor?
00:18:31
Because it's not old. It's what?
00:18:35
When did they start in the 60s? Yeah, I mean 1950 was Dianetics,
00:18:40
the book that's, yeah, they only have their second leader, David
00:18:44
Miscavige. They haven't been considered a
00:18:48
religion very long with a tax exemption.
00:18:52
They're they're very new and I don't think they're as big as
00:18:56
people think they are. They have big celebrity pieces.
00:19:02
They only have like 35 members or something, don't
00:19:04
they? I mean, it's not, yeah,
00:19:05
millions. Yeah, no, I do too.
00:19:11
And like somebody's just pointing out I'm going to put
00:19:16
this up because I I just thought Tim Greenglass said don't worry
00:19:20
miss Kobe. This is the information age and
00:19:22
all gammatology can do is make themselves look evil and absurd,
00:19:26
nothing but bad publicity. And you know, that's that's how
00:19:30
I feel about it too, is we are in the information age and I
00:19:33
think that the Internet was. Is and will be and will continue
00:19:39
to be Scientology's. I don't know what's the word for
00:19:44
it. The thing that's going to take
00:19:45
them down, it's it's the chunk in their armor, the jink in
00:19:51
their armor or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
00:19:52
So what? What about Zink?
00:19:54
I think what most people think if they take the time.
00:19:58
So you think Scientology and I think Tom Cruise?
00:20:02
It's almost simultaneous like in your mind with Scientology
00:20:05
because they put celebrities out front.
00:20:07
And I think a question always arises in people's minds is do
00:20:11
these people, John Travolta and different people, do they not
00:20:16
know what's going on? Do they not like David Miscavige
00:20:22
and Tom Cruise being buddies and whatever, like brothers?
00:20:26
When this guy is known for just assaulting and beating his staff
00:20:32
and that there's a problem? Are they so isolated that even a
00:20:36
major celebrity is so isolated with people that they don't when
00:20:41
they're so against reading social media or watching your
00:20:43
things that they just don't know?
00:20:46
Or how could they know and continue?
00:20:50
Okay. So I think it's a case by case
00:20:54
situation I think Tom Cruise knows.
00:20:57
And I and he's complicit in it. And I think that his personality
00:21:02
is very similar to Dave Miscavige.
00:21:05
And David Miscavige is a sociopath.
00:21:09
You know, you got all this charisma or whatever, but you're
00:21:12
really super, super egotistical and evil.
00:21:17
And so he knows, and he's supporting Dave and propping him
00:21:22
up and giving him credibility that he should not.
00:21:27
Have I think John Travolta knows some of the things because he's
00:21:32
known people who have left who were close to him like Spanky
00:21:36
Taylor. And so he knows a lot of these
00:21:39
things that are being said are true.
00:21:43
I don't know why. You know in Scientology you're
00:21:47
you're told all the time that we're bitter defrocked
00:21:52
apostates, which I can't stand those words.
00:21:54
Who who talks like that anyway? And you know, with an axe to
00:21:59
grind and with, you know whatever, and but is it all of
00:22:04
us? Do you know how many people are
00:22:05
speaking out? There's a list that somebody in
00:22:08
Anonymous keeps up and it's like 3200 people that with evidence
00:22:14
of the links of where they have spoken out against Scientology.
00:22:18
And I know that there's way more than that.
00:22:20
But that's a lot of people who are coming out and exposing
00:22:24
Scientology abuses and crimes. So come on, wake up.
00:22:30
And what are you endorsing? You need to be responsible.
00:22:32
I I actually have no sympathy for these celebrities who will
00:22:35
continue to say, oh, Scientology is great because it makes me
00:22:39
happy. Okay.
00:22:40
Well, so think about the next person and think about the
00:22:43
people who are being abused by it.
00:22:45
You know and and stop giving credibility to.
00:22:50
A cult that is dangerous. And start doing your homework In
00:22:54
these sessions, or the diametic sessions or whatever.
00:22:59
You're asked intimate questions and you answer them.
00:23:02
You tell everything there ever was about you, and maybe even
00:23:05
more to make them happy. Do you think that some of these
00:23:10
are blackmailed? Their careers will be over if
00:23:16
they if Scientology comes out with some of the stuff they have
00:23:19
recorded on them. I think so.
00:23:24
You know, I know that it's a deterrent because they have all
00:23:28
the goods and. You know, I know that like
00:23:33
someone like John Travolta, he'll say I don't want to be
00:23:35
videoed or whatever, but next room over is the whole video
00:23:38
camera and everything. It's going to happen and they
00:23:42
have all the information and it's talked about and it's not
00:23:46
confidential. And like they did with myself
00:23:51
and many many others, they will comb through the files and find
00:23:56
anything and everything to. Used to try to defame you and
00:24:02
make you seem like somebody that should not be listened to.
00:24:06
And they'll it's not just they'll take what's there.
00:24:09
Because with me, I got in, I was 14 years old.
00:24:11
What What are you going to do? You know, I didn't answer a
00:24:14
report on time or, you know, get somebody before I was married,
00:24:19
whatever. And I know.
00:24:23
I'm a repeat adulteress in their eyes and.
00:24:28
So they'll just exaggerate it like crazy and fling out all
00:24:34
these lies. But it to them it's okay to lie.
00:24:37
It's okay to damage other people if they are saying anything
00:24:41
negative about Scientology because that's the policy number
00:24:45
one and #2, it's their salvation, you know?
00:24:50
So we can keep talking. I'll ask you one question before
00:24:55
we start. If you want to keep a glance, if
00:24:57
we can open it up for questions of people in the comments want
00:25:00
to start and maybe you'll keep an eye on that and maybe you
00:25:03
know grab some she wants to answer.
00:25:05
But I want to ask you about like these contracts that are crazy
00:25:10
like you know the C orgs you signed up a billion year
00:25:14
contract to to do your job. Is that because it's religion?
00:25:21
It sounds ridiculous, but yet they do it and that hold up in.
00:25:27
No, it it wouldn't. It's they even say on their
00:25:30
website when they're talking about the C organization that
00:25:33
it's just basically a gesture that that you are that dedicated
00:25:40
that you, you know and you do believe that you live life after
00:25:45
life after life. You know, you just kind of roll
00:25:48
over into the next life or whatever.
00:25:50
And so you're just committing yourself to continue to do that.
00:25:55
From now on, because you know that it's the only salvation for
00:25:58
man. So no, it's not going to hold up
00:26:01
anything you. It's just toilet paper really,
00:26:03
you know? But it is ridiculous because
00:26:06
they get a lot of backlash off of it.
00:26:09
Why keep doing that, you know? But anyway, they don't change.
00:26:13
There's a lot that they just keep doing.
00:26:14
It's like one of these things of because.
00:26:17
If I want have it said it, it's law and one of the first
00:26:20
policies that you study on every single course you do in
00:26:24
Scientology is keeping Scientology working.
00:26:27
That's what it's called and it's the first issue on every course
00:26:31
you do. And that policy basically says
00:26:36
everything that he says is exact and it is not to be altered.
00:26:40
It is not to be questioned. And so and you hammer out of
00:26:44
existence anything that's in addition to it because it's
00:26:47
never worked. It's got to be this way or
00:26:49
nothing. And so when he says it, it's
00:26:53
law. You know, he's the source.
00:26:55
You think that he's like the the real God.
00:26:58
You know, he, he even wrote a book, Him of Asia and my Matea.
00:27:03
So this is where this guy was at.
00:27:06
Yeah. Look, I got you to smile, all
00:27:11
right? Yasmine, I actually know
00:27:13
Yasmine, and she just sent you a question.
00:27:15
OK, put it up. Do you know how to put it up?
00:27:19
You just click on it. Don't teach me in front of
00:27:21
everybody. I haven't done it right now.
00:27:24
It's like it because I don't see it yet.
00:27:26
I'm up. Were you ever tormented by
00:27:30
demons when you were in Scientology?
00:27:31
Like, totally Yasmine, a question.
00:27:35
Huh. That's a totally Yasmine
00:27:37
question. That's.
00:27:38
Oh, is it you? This is one of your regulars,
00:27:40
right? OK, well, hi Yasmine.
00:27:45
It's nice to meet you. Was I ever tormented by demons
00:27:48
when I was in Scientology? Like nightmares, seeing spirits,
00:27:51
voices, etcetera? Well, you know that
00:27:55
Scientologists believe as you go up into the higher levels that
00:28:01
you have spirits. Like thousands of them attached
00:28:05
to your body and your entire spirit all around you, around
00:28:10
you, attached you on you being body parts, being you know
00:28:15
whatever. And you, Satan.
00:28:19
And you spend hundreds of hours trying to strip them off with
00:28:24
the with the various procedures. And that tormented me.
00:28:30
Because I'm I'm in there for hundreds and hundreds of hours
00:28:33
trying to locate these things using the E meter, which is the
00:28:38
Electro psychometer that Scientology has that supposedly
00:28:42
is measuring, you know, thoughts and density in your thoughts or
00:28:48
whatever. And so if it registers on the E
00:28:50
meter, something's supposedly there.
00:28:53
So searching constantly for mini spirits all over my body.
00:28:59
Made me nuts. I couldn't.
00:29:01
I couldn't. Take it one more second.
00:29:02
OK, I'm going to throw up another one here.
00:29:06
OK. Next question there we.
00:29:13
Go question Amy and the OSA Secret Files papers.
00:29:16
Have you seen the names Debbie and or Don Bottomstone?
00:29:20
I have not seen those names and I don't know who they are, but I
00:29:24
also haven't studied all of the OSA files yet because.
00:29:28
There's like 5000 of them, 5000 documents and what was sent to
00:29:33
me had to do with me. So it's not surprising that I
00:29:38
wouldn't have seen that. Doesn't mean it's not there for
00:29:41
sure. I have a lot I have.
00:29:46
Go ahead. I was just going to say to the
00:29:48
people more questions. Bring them in, we'll throw them
00:29:50
up. Yes, So I do.
00:29:52
I have. I have 15 of them starred 15
00:29:55
questions. Oh, you do?
00:29:56
Yeah. OK, throw one in there.
00:29:58
Yeah. OK.
00:30:00
Here we go. I'll just start at the top here.
00:30:03
Thank you, Jamie. Hell, yeah, 10.
00:30:06
So I got 10 the last time I looked.
00:30:10
Nice. And that's YouTube subscribers.
00:30:12
On YouTube subscribers, this one is Greetings from Clearwater,
00:30:15
Ohio. I wanted to.
00:30:17
Call that out. And I wanted to say, hey, Liz is
00:30:19
in the house. So excited.
00:30:21
Amy, I'm so happy that you're here.
00:30:23
Liz, so much love to you and just cancel that you know who
00:30:26
Liz is. Her dad has worked for, I don't
00:30:30
know how many years, 40 years or something like that.
00:30:32
And international management, where I was at the Gold Gold
00:30:38
Never productions in Hemet. And she was trying to get a hold
00:30:42
of her dad one time because she would talk to him and, you know,
00:30:46
occasionally see him. And they told him your dad's
00:30:49
dead. OK, So for 20 years or so, she
00:30:54
thought her dad was dead. Come to find out he's not.
00:31:00
And so, yeah. Anyway, so she just recently
00:31:04
started up a channel and I've been trying to give her support
00:31:08
and encouragement because. We need to free her dad and her
00:31:12
dad's name is Bob Farris and he's a good, hardworking person
00:31:16
and he should not be. He has a family that loves him.
00:31:20
So anyway, I mean, we're in America talking about trying to
00:31:23
free people. This is crazy.
00:31:26
Right. I know, right.
00:31:28
I have trouble question here. Go ahead.
00:31:30
This one is from James. I'm going to call him Jimmy.
00:31:34
Jimmy was in my youth group when I was a youth leader in the mid
00:31:38
90s and now he's been a youth minister for years and years.
00:31:42
Oh, wow. It's one of the first ones to
00:31:45
buy a new Becoming Outlaws Trucker hat that I've been
00:31:48
selling. So anyways, there's this
00:31:51
question for you. OK, so James wants to know, to
00:31:55
what extent does Scientology recruit new members?
00:31:57
What kind of person are they looking for?
00:32:01
Really what they're looking for now is next generation because
00:32:04
too many people are informed about what's going on.
00:32:07
So a Scientologist, if they have a kid they want them, but to
00:32:13
what extent they recruit new members?
00:32:15
You know, I don't know the numbers nowadays, but every
00:32:18
organization has a Division Six, which is the public division,
00:32:24
which reaches out to people to get them in.
00:32:28
And to body route them in. That was my first job in
00:32:31
Scientology was body router. So they call people on the
00:32:35
outside bodies. And yeah, I was 14 years old and
00:32:40
I was a body router and people thought that I was bringing him
00:32:43
to a massage parlor or something and downtown Seattle.
00:32:48
And so, I don't know, I think that their biggest recruit pool
00:32:52
is the Scientology schools and 2nd generation Scientologists.
00:32:58
I want to show this one because my friend Jeff Hawkins is in the
00:33:01
house. Hey Amy, always great to see
00:33:04
you. Of course.
00:33:05
Love you, Jeff. We should do an interview
00:33:07
sometime. We will for sure.
00:33:09
We can talk about how you collected my loose change in
00:33:12
buttons and sent them to me after DM beat me, beat me up.
00:33:16
I know. OK, so that was one of the
00:33:20
beatings that I saw. And I know that Jeff got it a
00:33:23
couple times by David Miscavige, but.
00:33:26
I had this little cubby that was right off of the conference
00:33:28
table that David Muscavige would come and have his meetings in
00:33:32
and which was unfortunate because he would sit on one side
00:33:37
of the table. And then there was this like 14
00:33:40
foot table and everyone else had to sit on the other side, which
00:33:43
was over where my little cubby was.
00:33:44
And I was like, I would try to sit there if I wasn't involved
00:33:48
in the meeting itself. And you have to be silent and
00:33:50
whatever, but I'm. You know, right in the eyeshot
00:33:54
of eyeline of Dave, and he would with Jeff's, In Jeff's case, he
00:34:00
was like telling everybody, look at Jeff's face, look at how he's
00:34:03
looking at me, you know? And then he jumped up on the
00:34:07
table and then lunged, landing on Jeff.
00:34:11
Knocked his chair back, started wrestling with him, and like
00:34:17
Jeff's, buttons are flying and change is falling out of his.
00:34:20
He's totally shocked. Like for one second he's
00:34:22
answering his dumb question about marketing and and Dave
00:34:28
didn't like it so he just reacted and jumped over and
00:34:30
started beating him anyways. Well, there's your there's your
00:34:34
answer to have you seen demon activity?
00:34:36
That sounds like a demon. Possessed person.
00:34:39
It's actually a perfect description, and it's tempered
00:34:42
randomly. Beating executives is.
00:34:45
Is very random and scary like like because.
00:34:49
Yeah. From what you know.
00:34:50
And and it's also completely non sequitur too, because like I'll
00:34:56
say, he'll ask me a question and I'll give an answer and then
00:34:59
he'll look at me going, OK, And then he'll say I hate you as
00:35:03
much as I hate this other person.
00:35:05
And you know how much I hate that person?
00:35:08
Yeah. So you just go, OK, Dave, let's
00:35:13
see what's the deal with him? Is he kind of in seclusion or
00:35:17
half fighting from being indicted?
00:35:19
Or what is going on with David Miscavige?
00:35:22
I really saw his insanity ramp up after Scientology got tax
00:35:27
exempt status because now he doesn't have to be supervised
00:35:32
and he can do what he's going to whatever he's going to do with
00:35:36
all the money. They have billions of dollars.
00:35:39
And I really saw his ego shot up, you know, shoot out the
00:35:43
roof. He was always intense, but now
00:35:48
this is when I started seeing him beat people.
00:35:52
The other thing is when Lisa McPherson died, she was a
00:35:56
parishioner at the Flagland base he got.
00:36:00
He was involved like he was case supervising.
00:36:02
Not even. He's not even trained case
00:36:04
supervisor in Scientology's even standards and he was case
00:36:09
supervising her and she died. On his watch.
00:36:14
So that had to be all covered up and they spent like like Matt
00:36:19
was treasury at the time and he said they their reserve of $50
00:36:23
million was depleted for that case and all the things that
00:36:26
they were doing with that. So and I'm sure it was much more
00:36:30
than that. That was just what was in the
00:36:31
local reserves. So anyway, he's got a lot of
00:36:36
dirt on his hands and it's all going to come to the surface one
00:36:41
day. We'll be told there isn't any
00:36:44
organization like this where it hasn't ended bad.
00:36:46
Meaning, right? This guy is going to end up in
00:36:50
prison so bad for him, or he's going to end up practically
00:36:56
taking his life or somebody will take it.
00:36:58
It just seems like something's going to go down at some point.
00:37:01
This is all coming. Go ahead.
00:37:03
It is coming to a head and he will do anything not to get into
00:37:08
a lawsuit. And all five of these name him.
00:37:12
Even his wife, Situation she hasn't.
00:37:15
She's around, but she's like a Princess locked in a castle
00:37:19
since 2006, and he's been kind of running around with the
00:37:24
secretary or something, hasn't he?
00:37:26
Yep, that's right. Yeah.
00:37:28
Yeah, she's been Shelly Miscavige has been disappeared
00:37:32
since about 2000 and I don't know, four or five and.
00:37:39
No one seen her since. There was like a there's a whole
00:37:44
thing that I could talk about on it.
00:37:46
There's a lot of reports that have come out and one time the
00:37:50
police went and checked on her, supposedly.
00:37:53
But you know the camera for the restaurant where they met, They
00:37:56
didn't even meet at a police station, They met at a
00:37:59
restaurant. And the camera, the footage was
00:38:01
all blurred during that time and they could didn't get a proper
00:38:05
thumbprint or hand print. It was all totally smeared.
00:38:08
When they should have used an electronic one that doesn't do
00:38:11
that. It's just like the whole thing
00:38:12
is just weird. And I don't know who's being
00:38:14
paid to do what, but it's weird and we don't have answers.
00:38:18
And I I think you're right. It's going to end bad for
00:38:21
Scientology and for David Miscavige, because he's got so
00:38:25
many skeletons in the closet. You know, you can't have these
00:38:28
many accusations. There's many where they look
00:38:31
legit filing up and then everyone finally.
00:38:37
It's kind of like a the U2 movement for cults lately or bad
00:38:43
characters. They're just you can't do it
00:38:45
anymore. Right.
00:38:48
And the law is so slow when it has to do with the religion
00:38:53
almost it's too late and tragic. Something always goes down.
00:38:57
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I have several more questions
00:39:01
here which I can go through. I was to say you can be against
00:39:08
sex abuse in the Boy Scouts and not be against Camping.
00:39:12
I think that's very true question for Amy.
00:39:16
It says since you were talking about the PI's just how far will
00:39:20
Cos meaning cult of Scientology, let them go before they can get
00:39:24
sued for harassment? Along with Cos they are guilty
00:39:28
as well. I agree.
00:39:30
I really agree, you know. I don't know if there's any
00:39:33
specific PI's on on that are known on these upcoming cases,
00:39:40
but you know that's something to really I know the ones that were
00:39:44
on me like Dwayne Powell. And anyway, I don't know.
00:39:51
He was the one that was also on Ron Miscavige Senior and he was
00:39:55
getting paid $10 a week and he was arrested because he was
00:39:59
acting suspiciously as he was stalking.
00:40:05
Sorry, I'm just trying to get that one off as he was stalking
00:40:09
Ron Miscavige and and so the police came and checked and he
00:40:13
had like all this ammunition and fire power and silencer in his
00:40:19
car and all this stuff. And, you know, it came up that
00:40:23
he was being paid by Scientology $10 a week to follow around
00:40:28
David Miscavige's dad, who left and who wasn't even speaking out
00:40:31
at the time, you know, yeah, it's totally crazy, OK And the
00:40:38
next one is from Sir Juana, so I don't know.
00:40:43
So. Like you've got 10.
00:40:47
Yes. Yes.
00:40:48
Thank you so much for that. I don't know about this one.
00:40:52
Amy's both a celebrity and a skull.
00:40:54
I don't think I'm either. The next one is, we just did
00:40:59
that one. Apostate Alex is in the house.
00:41:03
And I so appreciate Apostate Alex.
00:41:06
He reports on everything UK. He's in the United Kingdom.
00:41:11
He used to be one of the biggest big booksellers for Scientology
00:41:14
in the world. So he says hi, Amy just popping
00:41:17
in to say hi and thank you for everything you do.
00:41:19
Your strength, courage and determination inspires me to
00:41:22
keep fighting the fight. Wow.
00:41:23
Well, Ditto. Back to you, really love,
00:41:29
Sherlock says. Let him know that Scientology
00:41:31
per LRH are only for the able to make them more able.
00:41:36
So there's no charity with LRH and his cult of Scientology.
00:41:40
Oh, and you have to be heterosexual to stay in and
00:41:43
until lately, white. So yeah, this is a good point
00:41:47
because it's so unlike any Christian Church whatsoever,
00:41:54
because there isn't any charity in Scientology.
00:41:58
They try to appear with their yellow shirts and volunteer
00:42:02
minister thing things that they go to disaster relief and do
00:42:07
cleanups or whatever, But it's really for photo OPS.
00:42:11
So they can tell. They can collect money from
00:42:15
their parishioners for such activities and they can make
00:42:20
people think that they're a worldwide accepted church, you
00:42:25
know, and that their money is being used for good things.
00:42:28
But really go there, take pictures and come back and not
00:42:32
do any real help. In fact, in the United Kingdom,
00:42:38
I I wish Alex could tell us here, but they they can't apply
00:42:43
for tax exempt status there anymore.
00:42:46
It's a it's rejected and they let certain amount of time
00:42:49
collapse to the point where they can't apply anymore.
00:42:53
So they're they have no tax exempt status in the United
00:42:55
Kingdom and they can't get it. They're unqualified.
00:42:57
They, yeah, because they couldn't prove that they're a.
00:42:59
Charitable organization. Yeah, I know.
00:43:02
But they they tried to prove that they are a charitable
00:43:05
organization, but it kept getting rejected because
00:43:08
anything that they showed was for themselves, never for
00:43:10
somebody else. Being a 503 CA charitable
00:43:13
organization is one thing, being a religion is another.
00:43:17
And they if people hear the Church of Scientology, they
00:43:20
don't go to church. They don't meet every Saturday
00:43:22
or Sunday and attend and worship something that doesn't exist.
00:43:27
They don't believe in a God or whatever.
00:43:29
In this after it's all about kind of just a money scheme.
00:43:34
And if they do charitable work, that's great, but that's not a
00:43:39
religion. You can still get attacked.
00:43:41
Exemption AT-503-C, I guess. But the word church should never
00:43:45
have been attached to sinology. Never.
00:43:48
And they in order to get tax exemption, they had certain
00:43:53
parameters that they had in the United States they had to meet.
00:43:56
And so they would do all of these things to, quote, UN
00:44:02
quote, meet it and then submit and get approval and a lot of
00:44:06
blackmail in order to get it. By the way, because there were
00:44:09
2000 lawsuits on IRS agents that they said if you would give us
00:44:13
our tax exemption, they'll turn off like a faucet.
00:44:16
Oh, okay. And but then as soon as that's
00:44:22
done, then it's like all over. And they don't have to do it
00:44:24
anymore. Like, for example, the Sunday
00:44:26
services, we were all laughing about Sunday services.
00:44:30
We didn't do Sunday services. We don't have like church or,
00:44:33
you know, chaplains or or Chapel, whatever.
00:44:36
Like we didn't do that stuff in Scientology.
00:44:39
So this is a A, when I first had you on a program which probably
00:44:42
most of these people haven't heard or well you did replace
00:44:45
some of it on your channel. So maybe they did, but if I
00:44:49
recall right, it was because you were giving your testimony.
00:44:52
So in a brief summary what I was really I was so glad we met and
00:44:56
talked and you're willing to come on because it's so rare for
00:45:00
anybody coming out of a cult to ever be involved in organized
00:45:05
religion again. And not only did you.
00:45:09
Do that you became a Christian and so in my view that's good.
00:45:16
From someone on the outside who doesn't quite get it it would be
00:45:19
and you probably know is like you just went from 1 cult to
00:45:22
another or someone has some emotional problems and they need
00:45:24
some kind of religion and the last thing you want is to align
00:45:29
yourself with any membership, any signing a contract or
00:45:33
whatever of a church. What?
00:45:38
That last word cut out. What was it happened?
00:45:40
What happened? What happened?
00:45:44
Okay. Well, the last thing I wanted
00:45:46
anything to do with was religion.
00:45:48
When I left Scientology. I mean, I've said it many times,
00:45:53
like somebody come to my door trying to, you know, give me a
00:45:56
leaflet or whatever for something.
00:45:58
I was like, I tell you came to the wrong house and I couldn't
00:46:02
shut the door in your face fast enough.
00:46:05
I just didn't want to have anything to do with that.
00:46:07
I it was finally feeling some sense of freedom being out of
00:46:12
there after a lifetime in an abusive cult.
00:46:15
And it was super, super abusive and I talk all about that on my
00:46:21
site. But so the last thing I wanted
00:46:24
to know about or hear about or think about was religion.
00:46:28
But I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and it was, it
00:46:33
changed me. It changed me instantly.
00:46:35
It like, and it was so supernatural it it wasn't like
00:46:39
there was no questioning what it was and where it was coming
00:46:43
from. It was just unbelievable
00:46:45
supernatural change where my heart of stone was completely
00:46:52
broken apart and replaced with a heart of flesh.
00:46:56
I suddenly this compassion welled up in me like nobody's
00:47:00
business, where I felt like I need to adopt every dog in the
00:47:03
world. I need to go to every old folks
00:47:06
home to help people. I need to find every single
00:47:09
person who does who's asking for money and give them my entire
00:47:12
bank account. Like my whole.
00:47:14
Like everything totally just changed.
00:47:16
I couldn't quit smoking. I smoked since I was nine years
00:47:19
old. I smoked a lot and even when I
00:47:22
told my husband that, Oh yeah, both my parents smoked and I was
00:47:25
sneaking there by the time I was 9.
00:47:27
And by the time I was 12 I was smoking in front of both of my
00:47:29
parents and and but I quit like that second.
00:47:38
I haven't had a puff of a cigarette since that second when
00:47:41
this happened, you know, and there's all kinds of different
00:47:43
things that happened and it was such a huge transformation of
00:47:48
where I was super dead inside and you know, I I can't.
00:47:55
It's hard to explain that after being in the cult, being abused,
00:47:58
being on the rehabilitation project force which is their
00:48:00
slave labor re education camp four times and the RPF's RPF
00:48:06
where you can't even talk to RPF people.
00:48:09
I was so beat down and I escaped and it was wonderful.
00:48:14
And I I praised my husband for giving me the strength to be
00:48:17
able to get out of there because I don't know if I would have
00:48:20
been able to do it by myself really and and but the
00:48:25
transformation that I received was so supernatural and so holy
00:48:30
and so clearly from God and the and the communication was so
00:48:35
clear into my spirit direct immediate communication.
00:48:39
And I don't have a church that I go to.
00:48:43
I tried in the second that anyone says now we're supposed
00:48:46
to. I just right away, you know, but
00:48:50
I have like studied and studied and studied and I have a
00:48:53
relationship with God and I I pray often and it's a
00:48:57
relationship and not a religion. And so that's me, that's me.
00:49:01
And I I don't, you know, if somebody wants to do, everyone
00:49:04
can do their own thing. But I had my experience and that
00:49:08
and no one could ever convince me that God doesn't exist,
00:49:12
because he does to me. I got it back up though.
00:49:18
And I would think other people are thinking it.
00:49:20
So out of the blue, God touches you.
00:49:23
Was there anything you can see that it's aligned with that?
00:49:25
Was somebody praying for you? Were you seeking any kind of
00:49:28
truth or were you doing some kind of prayers?
00:49:32
If there is a God and something's real, would you?
00:49:34
Is there anything you can see that brought on that
00:49:38
relationship or just I think there's a number, I think
00:49:41
there's a number of things because my brother, we went
00:49:47
different ways in life because in night when I got in
00:49:52
Scientology at age 14, he was 15 years old and Scientology locked
00:49:57
him in a room and said he couldn't leave until he signed a
00:50:00
contract to be on staff. And he was there all day
00:50:03
refusing. And then finally he signed it
00:50:06
and then they let him out of the room.
00:50:08
He never stepped another foot in a Scientology organization after
00:50:12
that and he left home and all this kind of stuff.
00:50:16
We joined the Sea Org and and so we were apart the whole 25 years
00:50:21
I was in the Sea Org and the Sea Org is Scientology's management.
00:50:27
Live in, work in they feed you, they uniform you, they you know,
00:50:32
house you, everything. And they don't pay you and they
00:50:39
don't. Work a billion years, work a
00:50:41
billion years and make nothing. And so he became a Christian.
00:50:48
And so he was the whole time I was gone, praying for me to be
00:50:54
able to get out of the cult because he felt like it was a
00:50:57
dangerous cult. Get out of the cult and come
00:51:00
back to the family. So that was that was going on.
00:51:04
I had no idea that he would. He never told me that one time.
00:51:07
Not that I was talking to him very often either.
00:51:10
And one time after I left the Sea Org, I went to LA to help
00:51:17
because of my logistics experience to help on some
00:51:22
faith-based films. Getting the It's when you do
00:51:28
showings to people, prescreenings, so that then
00:51:32
those people would then tell their people to watch the show
00:51:36
when it came, the movie when it came out.
00:51:37
So we were doing screenings of The Shack and Ben Hur and the
00:51:44
movies with Lionsgate. And so it was all these
00:51:49
religious leaders that would come in for these screenings.
00:51:51
And I was setting up the screenings and stuff, and the
00:51:54
Scientology and the Aftermath show was airing at the time when
00:51:58
I was doing this for the Shack. And one of these big religious
00:52:01
leaders recognized me at the screening and said, Oh my God, I
00:52:07
just saw you on Scientology and the aftermath and my entire
00:52:12
congregation prayed for you and your family.
00:52:16
I mean my stomach, my, yeah, my stomach like dropped to my like
00:52:20
or my heart dropped into my stomach or whatever you say it.
00:52:23
I was shocked. I was shocked.
00:52:24
I was. I was so touched by you don't
00:52:27
even know me and that you you would have your whole
00:52:30
congregation say prayers for me. That was amazing.
00:52:34
And the Shack movie also I was started getting a few wheels
00:52:38
turning, like because it that really touched me as well.
00:52:42
And then when I was back home, a couple things happened.
00:52:48
One is I started. I started working as a celebrant
00:52:54
and a celebrant. I officiated Funeral services
00:52:57
because my mom had passed and I did her service, which was
00:53:02
beautiful. And I really poured my whole
00:53:04
heart into it because it it really hurt.
00:53:08
When she died was you know I never felt anything when I was
00:53:12
in Scientology and you learn not to have sympathy and or human
00:53:18
emotion and reaction is really frowned upon and if if repeated
00:53:21
it's an RPF offense to show case on post or human emotional
00:53:25
reaction right to be human so and I never went home and like
00:53:29
it. You just like my dad had a heart
00:53:32
attack and I didn't leave to go and see him and it was
00:53:36
disapproved. I tried to, but anyway.
00:53:39
And so when she passed, I really poured my heart into celebrating
00:53:43
her life. And and then it was like, you
00:53:46
know, maybe you should do that as a living.
00:53:48
Some people were telling me that, including my husband.
00:53:51
So the second I started a company called Graceful
00:53:53
Farewell, the 1st place I promoted it to hired me as a
00:53:57
celebrant for the entire Seattle market.
00:53:59
And they've got like 20 funeral homes or whatever.
00:54:02
So and then once a year they have a training for the
00:54:07
celebrants in different places around the United States and and
00:54:12
you have to book way ahead of time.
00:54:14
Well, it just so happens that it was going to be the next day in
00:54:17
my town where I live and they had openings.
00:54:20
So I it was the defined assignment everything was just
00:54:23
all the doors were opening and so I went and did the training
00:54:26
and within a couple days I was there.
00:54:28
We may now lower the casket and people started asking me to do
00:54:35
prayers for the Funeral services that I was doing.
00:54:39
And Oh my gosh, like, I don't know what a prayer is.
00:54:43
I don't know what it is. I don't know how to do it.
00:54:44
I don't want to do it. I don't want to learn.
00:54:48
I tried to get my fellow celebrants to take over any
00:54:52
service where somebody asked for a prayer because I didn't know
00:54:57
how to do it. And then so I got stuck doing
00:54:59
it. And so I said, OK, well, how do
00:55:01
you, how do you end it? Like, some people say this, some
00:55:05
people say that. What do I say?
00:55:07
And anyway, so I had to, like, start.
00:55:10
I, I, I ordered a Bible. And I started, like, looking at
00:55:14
it. And I just got so confused.
00:55:16
What are these numbers? Who are these people?
00:55:19
You know, I didn't understand any of it.
00:55:22
And so then I ordered a baby Bible, baby picture book Bible.
00:55:28
And I started with that. And then I got it.
00:55:31
And then I got a teen picture book.
00:55:35
And then I started watching videos online with the Bible
00:55:40
project because they have illustrated chapters in the
00:55:43
Bible in there which are so easy to understand.
00:55:46
And I just went from there in terms of having to, you know,
00:55:50
learn to be able to do my job. And it was in the midst of that
00:55:56
when it happened. But it wasn't.
00:56:00
It wasn't a decision by me. It was God put his hand on me
00:56:03
and said now's the time and it was just an instant
00:56:06
transformation. I gave myself to God.
00:56:09
I said I'm yours and let me be your light and your love in this
00:56:14
Dark World. And and that's what I'm hoping
00:56:18
to do now. That is what you're doing.
00:56:20
So yeah, let it be a lesson and encouragement to anybody
00:56:23
listening or that we'll hear this later.
00:56:24
Is that prayer? Praying for loved ones matters.
00:56:31
It does matter. When people come to your mind,
00:56:34
they may never know you prayed for them.
00:56:36
But if they come to your mind, they're to your mind for a
00:56:38
purpose. Because God's one thing to do
00:56:40
something with them, and he's one thing to answer the prayer
00:56:43
and he's urging you to pray it. One answer.
00:56:48
I believe that yes. OK, so here we go.
00:56:53
Let's see. This is from Jill J.
00:56:57
Just wanted to pop in and say Congrats on 10.
00:57:00
We'll have to catch up on replay.
00:57:01
Beautiful Alex Apostate. Alex says Scientology says
00:57:06
they're the fastest growing religion, but actually they're
00:57:08
the fastest shrinking religion in the world.
00:57:11
Yeah, I wish I had real statistics to be able to show,
00:57:16
you know, because I don't. But by all indications of how
00:57:23
busy organizations are around the world, because people report
00:57:29
in saying, OK, these guys are closed or I see one person
00:57:33
sitting at a reception desk or whatever, you can tell that
00:57:37
they're really not booming and bustling like they would hope
00:57:42
you thought, you know, this is from Don Lambert.
00:57:44
That says question, Amy and the OSA, Secret files and papers.
00:57:48
Have you seen the names? Debbie?
00:57:49
I saw that one before. Right.
00:57:51
And I didn't see that. Sorry.
00:57:54
Yep. James, what?
00:57:56
To what extent Scientology recruit new members, I think.
00:57:59
I don't know why that's restarting itself because I took
00:58:02
the star off. So this one is OBG Foster, who
00:58:07
is David miscavige.com. Question.
00:58:10
Did anybody get any job training from outside the Sea Org or just
00:58:14
jump into it like you did with the electric?
00:58:16
You know, it's so funny. Yeah, you're expected to.
00:58:20
You're constantly told in the Sea Organization that you've
00:58:23
lived so many lives that you've done it all and you're expected
00:58:27
to do a job. Had it or not, Trained or not,
00:58:30
that's what they say. That's the motto.
00:58:33
Had it not trained or not, make it go right and persist until
00:58:36
you do. So I was given the job of doing
00:58:40
the high voltage electrical on a sound studio and the electronics
00:58:45
and along with other people and we figured it out sometimes they
00:58:50
would have, depending on the timetable, sometimes they would
00:58:53
have outside contractors come in to supervise or probably because
00:58:58
they needed to have some sort of a code check or something, you
00:59:01
know. But if they could get away with
00:59:03
it, it would just be sear of Labor.
00:59:07
All right. The next one is, hi, Amy.
00:59:09
I was just wondering if you knew Lisa Marie Presley.
00:59:12
Yes, I did. You know, obviously I left in
00:59:18
2005. Probably the last time I saw her
00:59:22
was around 2000, but and not since then at all.
00:59:27
But yes, I did know her anyway. She.
00:59:32
Just seems like a sad soul. Yeah.
00:59:36
I mean, yeah, Scientology wasn't wasn't handling that, you know?
00:59:42
She needed something other than Scientology.
00:59:46
Oh, for sure. Wonder Woman in question.
00:59:49
When Scientology loses tax exempt status, do you think it
00:59:52
will make existing members take pause in their blind religious
00:59:55
faith? To Scientology, you know.
01:00:01
If the government won't claim them as.
01:00:03
Religion, Yeah. I'm just, I'm just thinking like
01:00:06
trying to put myself back in the shoes of.
01:00:09
God forbid of a Scientologist and thinking like okay it.
01:00:13
See what's done went with any kind of thing like that like a
01:00:19
let's say a lawsuit lost or or you know if Scientology's tax
01:00:24
exemption was taken away. It's a rally call in Scientology
01:00:29
to get people to donate and get more active because they're
01:00:34
being attacked, because they're so successful and there's even.
01:00:38
LRH references about if people are clamoring and and making
01:00:45
noise that to that degree Scientology is successful.
01:00:49
How's that for stupid? This one says.
01:00:56
Did DM beat women too? He had his assistant do that.
01:01:02
His communicator? Larisse.
01:01:04
Stickenbrock. That's like an A job
01:01:08
responsibility, yeah. Yeah, yeah, a job
01:01:11
responsibility. Will you beat the women?
01:01:13
I know, but he strangled me around my neck one time when he
01:01:17
was really mad at me for not writing a speech.
01:01:21
His speech to his liking. Like, write your own speech.
01:01:25
Then, when he finally gets convicted in prison, part of his
01:01:28
punishment should be that he gets a beating every day for the
01:01:31
rest of his life. Right.
01:01:33
Like you can't just beat people your whole, you know, for years
01:01:37
on end And and also lock them up.
01:01:39
I mean, there's make them walk around on your knees with your
01:01:43
pants rolled up so that you get, you get, you know, scabby,
01:01:47
unhealing knees. Mike Render has scars still on
01:01:51
his knees from that. He just kept making these people
01:01:54
walk on their knees, probably because he's so short that he
01:01:56
needed people down on the ground to be at his level anyway.
01:02:02
Get me gets me angry. Rebecca Corbin says, yay, Amy
01:02:07
passed 10 thank you. Now she can participate in the
01:02:10
Aftermath fundraiser. Yes.
01:02:12
So this is Sunday at 4:00 PM Eastern is going to be a
01:02:17
fundraiser for the Aftermath Foundation.
01:02:19
And the Aftermath Foundation for anyone who doesn't know, is a
01:02:23
foundation that I'm a member of on the board.
01:02:25
And so is my husband, as well as several other people.
01:02:30
And it. Helps people leaving Scientology
01:02:35
with the funds that they need to get them reset up.
01:02:37
And there's this really wonderful video that shows of
01:02:40
somebody that was helped by the Aftermath Foundation called
01:02:43
named Serge and boy, if that doesn't touch your heart and
01:02:49
make you pull out the Kleenex, I don't know what will.
01:02:52
So yes, we're continuing and we have so many things going on
01:02:55
right now in that front. So it's really, really
01:02:58
wonderful. They really love your YouTube
01:03:01
community here. Yes, very supportive of you.
01:03:06
Are they very supportive? How many of them?
01:03:09
You mentioned a couple, but how many are former Scientologists,
01:03:12
or why are they so engaged with you?
01:03:17
Not many at all are former Scientologists.
01:03:20
Very few, if any. Very few are former
01:03:23
Scientologists and their never ends is what they call
01:03:26
themselves. Never ends.
01:03:29
And they follow it because it's, you know, one time Anonymous in
01:03:37
2000 and what was it, 7? Just 10 people from
01:03:45
Anonymous started protesting all Scientology churches around the
01:03:49
world at one time because they were trying to take stuff off of
01:03:54
the Internet and squelch freedom of speech.
01:03:56
And they just came to the rescue to fight against their, you
01:04:02
know, violation of human rights. People can say what they want to
01:04:05
say. And also then the next protest
01:04:08
that they did with thousands of people was against
01:04:10
disconnection. And that's what to me, I was
01:04:12
like, these people have our backs if I want to come out.
01:04:16
I felt, I felt that it would be safe for me to come out and
01:04:21
speak out at that time where it wasn't safe before that.
01:04:26
And it still wasn't totally safe because they did a lot of Fair
01:04:29
agreement, but at the same time, I felt like if they did
01:04:32
something to me, the world would see it.
01:04:34
And these people are standing up for human rights, and so they're
01:04:37
so supportive. They're there, they're spreading
01:04:40
the word. They're getting the word out
01:04:42
that Scientology is a dangerous cult.
01:04:44
And I've never seen such an amazing community.
01:04:47
They know, They know I how much I love them.
01:04:51
I've never seen anything like it.
01:04:55
And I just appreciate them 100%. And they're there because they
01:04:59
know that it's wrong. It's fascinating because it's
01:05:02
like, how does it even attract anybody?
01:05:05
And why is Tom Cruise in there? That might have been the
01:05:08
initial, like, question or something, I don't know.
01:05:09
But yeah, it'd be fun to, you know, I should interview some of
01:05:13
my channel people just to say what interested you about this.
01:05:19
Do you want to? Do you have any left?
01:05:22
Well, I'm just going to throw. I haven't been looking while I
01:05:24
was looking at the stars to see if anything.
01:05:26
But this is yes, Amy, Christ will protect you and we'll guide
01:05:29
you on this issue. Stay strong and wear all your
01:05:31
armor for extra protection. Yes.
01:05:34
Thank you so much. I I love that comment.
01:05:39
This one's thank you for reading your book online.
01:05:42
For those of us with vision problems.
01:05:43
It's a great book. I'm doing that.
01:05:45
I'm doing chapter by chapter reading my book as a video.
01:05:50
With my added commentary. So I'll read something and I'll
01:05:52
and I'll and I'll add to it my real thoughts.
01:05:58
Yes, I don't know if there's there's a lot more here because
01:06:01
I wasn't looking while I was in the.
01:06:06
So if you posted a comment and we missed it, throw it in again
01:06:09
real quick. Yeah, throw it in so that we
01:06:11
can. If you have a question and you
01:06:14
mentioned this connection and we didn't really define that.
01:06:16
So disconnection is the policy of disconnecting from even loved
01:06:21
ones that are what's the word they use.
01:06:26
Again it's not subversive. It's the when you you're labeled
01:06:31
like suppressive and of an end suppressive when you're labeled
01:06:34
suppressive, someone that whether it's your own kids like
01:06:37
Mike Render doesn't even still has family in there and he can't
01:06:41
see them. Yeah, exactly.
01:06:43
He's got a. A son and a daughter in there
01:06:47
and then they use his daughter to go to all these different
01:06:51
functions, to stand up for people who are abused that
01:06:55
because she's got an abusive dad, like that's how they use
01:06:58
her. It's so sick.
01:07:00
It's so sick. But yeah, they they will.
01:07:07
Whatever's to their benefit, they're going to do so if it's
01:07:10
break up the family. You know, or keep Danny
01:07:12
Masterson's whole family in because they're money makers or
01:07:16
something like that. You know, it depends.
01:07:17
That's what I mean. With that mentality and those
01:07:19
kind of policies, the more pressure they get, the worse
01:07:23
it's going to get. That's why I was saying it's all
01:07:25
going to come to a head and not going to be pretty.
01:07:28
Yes, this is from Laurie Driscoll.
01:07:30
She says she's a never in stumbled upon a Ron Miscavige
01:07:34
interview or something with Leah and Aaron, and suddenly SPTV was
01:07:37
blooming. SPTV people rock.
01:07:40
Yeah. So like maybe somebody will see
01:07:43
one video and then as soon as you're in, we all tell each
01:07:46
other about all the different channels and support each
01:07:50
other's channels. Like today Aaron said, oh, by
01:07:52
the way, if you haven't subscribed to Amy's channel, go
01:07:55
over there and subscribe because she needs 10 for the
01:07:57
fundraiser and all of a sudden I got 10.
01:07:59
So yeah, because he's got almost 200.
01:08:02
So that helps. There's a lot of interest.
01:08:05
There's a a lot of interest and it's really appreciated
01:08:08
everybody, you know. Because it's it's not a lot of
01:08:13
voices compared to what there could be.
01:08:18
I've got a whole list of the people who I think should be
01:08:20
speaking out, who aren't, that have a lot of information.
01:08:24
But day by day, more and more people are coming forward.
01:08:27
So we'll just have to, Yeah. So we're winding down questions.
01:08:31
I'll remind the people that are from my side of the tracks here
01:08:35
watching YouTube or my Facebook that Amy has her own channel on
01:08:40
YouTube. That's where she does her stuff
01:08:42
and hangs out at. Queen bee is A-SP.
01:08:47
Yes, it's cool. It's at Queen Bee Dash SP.
01:08:51
Yeah. So go over there, yeah.
01:08:53
I'm trying to sign up or just say Amy Scobie.
01:08:55
Yeah, you can find me, yeah, Amy Scobie.
01:08:59
And then for your folks, where you can find me is I throw
01:09:02
videos on YouTube, but I'm really a podcaster, so I'm on
01:09:06
Facebook as well. But really I just tell people
01:09:09
becoming outlaws.com. There you can find all the
01:09:12
outlets and which one you you like and you know shows you the
01:09:15
podcast channels and. Right.
01:09:19
You have some really fun guests. Interesting fun stories.
01:09:26
Good guess. Yeah.
01:09:28
Yeah. Just like you mentioned this,
01:09:29
people like John Schneider and I do, I do have people that come
01:09:32
out of other kind of suppressive religion.
01:09:34
They just had a Amish, former Amish guy talking about what
01:09:37
goes on there and just today I recorded I do scholars too.
01:09:42
So the Canon like how the New Testament come about.
01:09:45
Or I had we, a guy who came out on a book with Soren
01:09:50
Kierkegaard, a philosopher in his view on the changelessness
01:09:54
of God and how that affects our life.
01:09:57
Wow. Scholarly.
01:09:59
There's cult material. Celebrities.
01:10:02
Yes. It's a hodgepodge.
01:10:04
But. Yes, I want to show two more
01:10:10
things here. One is from OBG Foster who is
01:10:14
David miscavige.com. It says I'm a never in willing
01:10:17
to be interviewed. Maybe my lost brother will see
01:10:20
it and reconnect. Send me an e-mail
01:10:22
amy@scobedashpublishing.com. I'll help you.
01:10:29
And this one which is I know. That's that's their kryptonite.
01:10:36
That's that's what's going to come back and bite them the
01:10:38
most. This is from Serena Fisher.
01:10:40
I just love this comment. It says love you, Amy and God in
01:10:43
your heart don't have to go to church to worship.
01:10:48
You're his temple. And I I really appreciate that.
01:10:53
I know. I feel.
01:10:54
I don't feel any less than a child of God than somebody who.
01:10:59
You know, is in a building, you know, because it's a it's a
01:11:05
relationship that is, I just cherish it and I love it and
01:11:09
it's it's so dear and precious to me.
01:11:11
And that's the only thing that really matters, I think.
01:11:14
And I like likeminded people. I, you know, obviously I love a
01:11:19
community of people who believe in God and and stuff like that.
01:11:22
They seem to be super, super nice.
01:11:25
The light of God shining through them, you know?
01:11:28
Anyway, reach the end. Yeah.
01:11:31
All right. Perfect.
01:11:33
Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.
01:11:34
Go ahead. I just wanted to say I love you
01:11:36
all. Thank you so much for tuning in
01:11:39
tonight and I hope you found this interesting.
01:11:44
Thank you, Ken, for being an amazing host as always.
01:11:47
Yeah, thank you very much. And thank you to all those.
01:11:51
They're mainly, I know we have people on mind, but I'm really
01:11:54
impressed with your, the loyalty of your crowd.
01:11:56
They're even interested. And what was going on behind
01:11:58
you, if your husband was making coffee or what kind of dog you
01:12:02
have? It was all pretty entertaining.
01:12:05
They they like to see my I have my furry fruits.
01:12:08
They call them because their names are mango and Kiwi.
01:12:11
My two dogs, mango and Kiwi, my furry fruits.
01:12:14
They love it when they come in here.
01:12:16
Very good. All right.
01:12:18
Well, thanks again, Amy, and we'll have to do this again
01:12:20
sometime. Yes, God bless you and God bless
01:12:25
everybody watching, right. Good night, Gavin.
01:12:28
Among the outlaws, he said. Come follow me people from all
01:12:33
walks, and I've since have been becoming outlaws.