In charge of Scientology's Celebrity Center, Amy Scobee recruited celebrities into the church and kept them hidden from its dark underbelly. After twenty-seven years, she left Scientology, wrote an account of her experiences, and was featured in episode 1 of 'Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath. Never planning to be associated with any religious organization for the rest of her life, in 2018, Amy had a Divine encounter.
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I would think if I'm an outside person I think is Scientology, I
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immediately think of Tom Cruise, John Travolta that real
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exterior. I think of a big blue building
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with what appears to be a different looking cross on the
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top. I think that's a lot of some
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people's extent and then some rumors here, they're just
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negative publicity or and such. But what's your story?
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Yeah. Well Scientology, He was founded
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by. Science fiction writer L Ron
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Hubbard started a church called it Scientology, you know, he's
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the founder of Scientology, the source of Scientology and he's
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written volumes and volumes of policies and and certain
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procedures to quote unquote, help Mankind.
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And it starts off very kind of innocent you know where you do a
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Communications course and you learn about the tone scale and
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how to, you know, improve relations and things like that.
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There's A little coarse purification program where you,
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you know, sit in a sauna and, and clean out toxins from your
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body, like, things that are just like, Grassroots kind of helpful
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where you can kind of spread the word that there's nothing weird
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about it and but after you get in for a little while you start,
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you know, finding out really how controlling it is and how much
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you can't actually get out. And why do people get And what
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is the lore? What do they think they're
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getting involved with the purpose of Scientology is like
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to create a world without War where the able can prosper and
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honest beings have rights and people are free to rise to
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Greater Heights and it says that you can have spiritual Freedom.
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Only by the process has given in Scientology.
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In that it's the only route to doing so.
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And when you first get started yours like, totally love bombed
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by By them. And, you know, and I mean I was,
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I was 13 years old, when I was four, when my mom got in
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Scientology, my parents had gotten divorced, she got in
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Scientology, from a friend at work.
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And then by the time I was 14, they were calling me to come in
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to the, to the church there in Bellevue Washington.
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And I was like, don't you mean you're trying to like, I got
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this phone call, and don't you want my mom?
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I'm just a 14 year old with no. We want you.
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And I'm like, So I go after such.
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Why do they go after such young people?
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Do you think well I think there's several different
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reasons but one is that they are more likely to just follow what
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it is that the instructions that are given really you're still
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moldable, right? Very, very much.
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So you don't, you don't really have, you haven't set in your
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mind, what your worldviews are necessarily, you know, I was
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just ready for an adventure, but when they, when they wanted to
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talk to me, it was like, wow, they see some sort of value in
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me, you know, And I, when I went in, there were like, we want to
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train you, we want, you know, to help you.
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Let's there's a course called this forget, which one was like,
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the student, it was to train you on study and communication.
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So my mom said that she would pay for the course and and then
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when I got on the course, they then recruited me to be
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full-time staff. Now I'm 14 years old, I'm in
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ninth grade I think. And so I quit school like after
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the ninth grade and And went full-time on staff and they had
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me to in downtown Seattle, body routing people into the local
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church there. Which could you can imagine what
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some people think of, as you know, 15 by LifeTime.
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Probably your old girl standing on the street in downtown.
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Seattle, asking people to come with her.
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Anyway, I had fun stories on that but but yeah, I was just, I
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was in there in there pitching and they explained to me that I
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It's not my body. I was a spiritual being that
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Scientology believes that you live Life After Life After Life
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and that you have a reactive mind that they can process that
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you know, with their technology can rid you of the reactive mind
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so that you have no negativity and all this kind of stuff.
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And you have full recollection of your previous lives and all
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this kind of stuff. Sounds awesome.
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And then that's why the world would be better is because will
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clear the planet. It which which means when you're
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a clear, you no longer have you wrapped of mine.
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So the whole goal was to help all the people rid themselves of
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the reactive Mind through L Ron Hubbard's technology and clear
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the planet, create a beautiful world.
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So I was on board with that because I thought it sounded
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good and there are some truths that keep you kind of hanging in
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there a little bit, you know? Because I did feel like, like I
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was a spiritual being, you know, I had some sort of awareness of
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that It seemed to what made sense to me was that I didn't
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feel like I was just this a little kid.
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I felt like, you know, or at least I wanted to feel like a
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grown-up and we spear involved in something big and important,
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right? And they wanted me, you know,
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and so to me, that was that was amazing.
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And so my mom signed for me to be able to be on staff full time
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and then by the time I right, after my 16th birthday, I was
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recruited into What's called the sea organization, which is their
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upper echelon. Since it's the where you sign a
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billion-year contract, you live there, work there, your
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uniformed, they're transported everything.
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And I was there until I was 42 years old, and while I was there
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all kind, I mean, that's a lifetime of information.
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I could tell you, but You really discover some the underbelly of
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Scientology when you're at the top echelons and I was in the
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Watchdog committee, which is the very top and I was responsible
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for the celebrity center Network.
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So I was responsible for catering to the likes of Tom
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Cruise, and those guys to, to keep them, happy, keep them
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promoting Scientology, so that they become walking success
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stories of Scientology. And it makes it seem very Damn
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it and people Tom Cruise can do it, I'm gonna do it, you know,
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and people will come into Scientology because of that so
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that was an important strategy for Scientology to promote it
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worldwide. But anyway, in there though
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there it's I wrote a book called Scientology abuse at the top
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after I left. Because I had to really I had an
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epiphany while I was there which is that my mind was
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rationalizing insanities non-stop because there's crazy
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things that go on there. Like very bad, insane,
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violations of human rights that go on there.
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They have this thing called the rehabilitation project Force,
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which I was assigned to four times first, when I was 16, when
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I was 18, when I was 22. And again, when I was 40 and
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you're on that, Thing. It's a slave labor camp and
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you're on it for trumped-up. You know, whatever you did
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wrong, whatever they think that you did wrong and you're on it
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for years and you run everywhere.
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You go, you call everybody sir, you're wearing a boiler suit
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sometimes with like a sock wrapped around your arm that
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designates the condition that you're in like that, you're in a
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lower condition like treason or liability to the group you have
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to do hard manual, labor and meet certain requirements to be
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able to get Out and once in if that's approved then you can
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finally be released from the place and it just takes forever.
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Lots of interrogations, you know using their lie detector thing
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called an e m electron you know and this this thing reacts to
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spot patterns supposedly and so they're like chasing things down
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and you don't know what you're thinking about or what you're
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looking at in there. Like now the e m Is basically it
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looks like right like a an old like 1960s or 70s machine with a
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needle in. Are you holding two like
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magnetic, what are holding your heart rate your holding tin cans
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and they're connected with electrodes that go into the
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meter and then so it creates a circuit so and it's low voltage.
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So you don't feel it. It's a very crude, a very crude
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Lie, detector tests, basically write similar to that.
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They're always asking for your crimes and if it reacts, you
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know, then they say, something's there and in your crimes being
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what would they consider a crime?
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It's a crime against Scientology, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean it could
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be boy just anything and everything.
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They've got volumes of lists of things that are, that are
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considered either suppressive acts against Scientology or
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crimes against Scientology, and they've got Third Security
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checks that they do want to people that say things of like
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you know, perverted sexual acts or talking bad about scientology
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or going to the press or the authorities about scientology or
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altering, the technology in any way or like anything.
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Like this. It's so much.
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I mean, it's it covers you. Oh boy.
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It's hard to describe. But it covers like every single
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Cool aspect of your life and every single thing that you do
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and the whole time you're there. I mean, I must have stayed up
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around the clock a thousand times or more.
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I mean, because almost every single week you're around the
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clock, you're always at a dead run like an emergency footing to
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save the planet like so you don't you're not idle you don't
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take days off and vacations and like I probably took a day off
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in seven years like once Seven years and a vacation once in 11
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years, you know, and, and it's every single day and around the
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clock. And you're just go, go, go, go,
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go. And the person in charge, is
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David miscavige when it's a whole thing in itself.
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But he's a sociopath and he was beating people, and doing all
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kinds of things, locking them down for years, you know,
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locking them and where they have to lie.
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Like March to take a shower at the garage and then come back
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and had to sleep on the floor in this trailer.
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Anyway, all of this stuff was exposed, they confiscate your
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passports and everything. Anyway, all of this stuff was
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exposed. I went to the FBI about it.
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I wrote a book. Scientology abuse at the top.
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I did a TV series with Leah, Remini called Scientology in the
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aftermath and season 1. Episode 1 is about my family and
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the force disconnection that they did with my, my mom at the
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time and that TV series won two Emmys, which were very proud of
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ya. How can I know this is?
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Maybe it's, it's something you can't answer, but if anybody
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could you'd have an educated opinion, is when that much has
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been exposed through your book through Leah's program, how in
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the world are people like David miscavige, not in prison.
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You know, I have asked myself that so many times and I still
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I'm still determined to continue to expose them as a cult that
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they are. Because, you know, because
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people currently are saying, yeah, they're dangerous and
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people are currently suffering. That's right.
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Absolutely. And some of the things that I
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witnessed there it's just Well, I could go on a whole program
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just on that obviously, because I was there for so long, but and
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people may not realize maybe you're going to get to it.
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But that when you're talking about being in this kind of like
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labor camps that you're disconnected from family or
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anybody who doesn't support the church and you can't leave.
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No, no, you're under guard full-time and so you can't their
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security guards. Are there to make sure that you
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stay your it's all You're locked up and you have you can write a
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letter out but it's got to go through people and get side
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checked if you make a phone call, so that, so so that you
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don't have your parents, you know, sending in a search party
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for you. If you make a phone call at
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Christmas or something like that, you have to have some you
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have to get approval and writing like a petition approved.
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And then you have to have a security person on the phone
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with you listening to the conversation to make sure that
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you don't say anything. Or that they don't say, Hey, you
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know, I got a plane ticket for you or something like that.
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You know, your lockdown was really hard to escape up.
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My Escape story is just a whole program in itself, but get it
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going back into the world at age. 42.
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Okay, so I never had to drive, you know, I didn't ever have a
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bank account had no money and I didn't know the world.
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I didn't cook, I didn't have to go go.
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Grocery shopping, none of that stuff in that.
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So, 42 years old, I finally leave.
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And that's after two months of them, you know?
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Locking me down. Yeah, putting me on rice and
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beans for breakfast, lunch and dinner Security checks Non-Stop.
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And finally, I was allowed to go and it does not go.
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Excuse me, doesn't it? Go back to why they recruit
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people young, they get you before you have life skills and
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then you wo you can Can't leave because you become an adult and
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can't function outside of them were.
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That's perfect. That's exactly right.
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And also yeah because my thought is How am I going to survive?
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I don't know how to survive outside, you know?
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And then you always are told like about how people who left
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failed miserably and they're like, on Hollywood, Boulevard
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homeless or something like that, you know, not that I thought
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that I would end up like that because I always felt that I'm
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capable enough to do something to not be in that situation, but
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it's really Drummed into you that you will fail if you leave
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and that you need them and there and that you've made the
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commitment, you know, and I started a book after I left
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called combating cult, mind control by Steven Hassan and
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releasing the bonds. He wrote those two books and I
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loved the part in there where it talks about what a cult is.
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And then I realized, oh my God, I spent my whole life in a cult
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but it's information control. I mean we I didn't watch, they
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took all of our TVs, you know, I never had, you know, television,
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we didn't see anything of the outside world, our control.
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All we knew is like our own internal events of what it is
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that we they wanted us to know this is about to, I was in top
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management I wasn't I wasn't in the place that made all those
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kind of decisions for you on it. You know I was trying to expand
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the celebrity center Network, you know.
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Having been an executive must celebrity center Network.
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Another question that you can't answer but would have one of the
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best opinions on is the John Travolta's and the Tom Cruise's.
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Everyone inside is sheltered from information but they're on
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the outside. I know.
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How do they not hear your stories and continue the support
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part of the thing for celebrities is that they're
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shielded from all the crap that goes on inside and of what
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people say about it outside. So they're there, so love bomb,
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so taken care of. So spoiled and there's a lot of
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examples I could give about that for celebrities specifically.
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Especially Tom Cruise. But I mean, I was, I was made to
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I was run on a project out of chairman of the board.
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David miscavige's office to man up his staff, his household with
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all scientologists. So, I got a cook and a nanny,
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and a maid and different people like this, all approved, by the
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chairman of the board. David miscavige's office him and
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his wife for the people to go into surrounding.
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I want him with by all scientologists.
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So every facet of his life are scientologists.
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And you're also told that anything that somebody says
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about scientology is because there, they don't know, they
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don't understand, they're misinformed.
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There's bad people like Amy scoby out there telling, you
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know, false information about what goes on there or whatever
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there they are. It's like called a dead agent
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that you're given a pack of all this information about what I
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did wrong and why not to believe me.
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Me, you know, so if they do come across something, they're
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informed about how it's all lies.
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So they'll defend it because they've experienced success
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themselves in their own processing and Scientology.
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They've been love bombed and treated well and like we built
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the Manor Hotel and celebrity center down in Hollywood and I
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put the highest trained people. I put the you know, uniform to
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the nines made it a Four-star restaurant like all these things
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just to cater to them and make them feel so special and so
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loved and and it's a strategy, it's a strategy because if they
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feel that that if they're happy with Scientology, they're going
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to promote it and that's what we want because we want more people
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coming in but the general people and especially the staff.
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That's not the case at all. Right.
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Right. So can you explain the bridge,
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The bridge in Scientology is just where you start, going all
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the way up to, the highest level.
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So you start at the bottom, you know, with basic communication
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skills and, and things like this, which are done in any kind
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of organization, like, little missions tiny things, it's like
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little little courses, cheap and stuff like that.
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And then as you advance, there's two sides of the bridge one is
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training. One is put your own individual
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processing or You know, auditing is what they call it.
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But so, you know, there's two sides and you want to go up both
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sides so that you learn how to process you get trained so that
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you know how to deliver these services and then you get
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processed so that you each step of the way have a specific and
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phenomena, which is like, freedom from overwhelm or
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ability. To communicate with anybody on
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any subject. These are like called and
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phenomena. CPS and phenomena is in
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Scientology and each Level has its own thing like that and so I
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went to the top of the thing. I mean that's a that's a
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conversation itself because when you first start you don't know
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any of the secret teachings, a Scientology, like I was in
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Scientology for, you know, 20 years before I found out or so.
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Before I found out what the upper levels were which believes
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that You know, we love our it's just an Intergalactic War.
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Lord, took us to this planet and placed this on on volcanoes and
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we were all exploded and put into cubes and then implanted
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with all these things into our minds, pictures and movies were
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shown and, and all these things. So that it's all made up and
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from a science fiction writer promise.
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I know he was really elaborate on it too and, and you go in.
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Session. And so you believe that you are
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a cluster like you a cluster of beings and like an every like
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part of your body. There's there's things right?
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It's called a BT, which is a body Phaeton and a thetan is a
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spirit. So, right, just now, basically
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little Spirits all over all over you around you, inside of you
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causing Havoc. So as you're going up the
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bridges, you know, that you're clearing things.
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In your life, but you don't really realize the quote,
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theology behind it are these right fate and Spirits from an
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Intergalactic. Yeah.
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Lord. From millions of years ago, or
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75 million years ago, 75 million years ago, right?
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Yeah. See if we hear that at the end,
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if people just hear that and Scientology there, like that is
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nuts. And then, but I keep going back
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to the celebrities because you think people that are outspoken.
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Do they know that? The base for it to do the order,
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they don't know. They're everyone's striving to
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get to these higher levels, you know?
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And so you and that you there's well, it takes a lot, a lot of
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money and a lot of time to get there.
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And and because you want to be able to operate independent from
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your body fully exterior, like these supposed gains that you're
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going to have freedom from Amnesia on the whole track, you
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know? So you can remember every single
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thing, like these are things that you're supposedly.
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Gain when you get there. And and and when you open up the
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materials and you find this out, you're like this is what
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everybody's doing. This is, this is what we believe
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I've been. I'm literally working my guts
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out for 20 years and I'm just now finding this out.
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And so I course you try to do it and go.
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Okay, that was great. But I'm telling you like
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hundreds of hours of trying to like shave off these little
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things. I mean, it makes you nuts.
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It makes you nuts. Yeah.
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It's It's crazy. And you're always like trying to
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find your evil purposes to or their evil purposes and get rid
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of them and, you know, anyway, just terrible, terrible stuff
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that really is mind-numbing. What are the odds?
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I know there's slam of anybody coming out, adjusting to normal
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life. Again, putting that in the past
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and then getting involved in any kind of religion at all again.
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Oh, my gosh, it is like super rare.
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I mean, Almost nobody. In fact, I didn't even tell
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anybody because my experience was so dramatic to me.
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I didn't even know what was going on.
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I didn't want to have anything to do with religion.
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In fact, I was anti-religion very much so after I left, my
00:23:10
heart was super hard for that. If somebody ever come came
00:23:14
knocking at my door to leave a leaflet for something, I'm just
00:23:16
like, you came to the wrong house.
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And I'm sure at one point I went to I went Hollywood to work on
00:23:26
the marketing of two films, which was Ben-Hur their
00:23:30
faith-based films Ben-Hur. And the shack with Octavia
00:23:33
Spencer and and it was with a company, that's a Christian
00:23:38
company called motive entertainment and they worked on
00:23:41
films, like The Passion of the Christ and things like that.
00:23:46
But I went because I knew the person who was in charge of
00:23:49
marketing and they were doing these films and she needed my
00:23:52
Logistics experience, to come and help.
00:23:54
So I did and, you know, the shack movie really had a huge
00:23:59
impact on me. It had a big impact on me, and
00:24:03
when it was, right during that time that the aftermath show
00:24:07
came out. So that was viewed by like 2.4
00:24:11
million people on the night of its release.
00:24:14
And one of the things I was doing on the marketing of these
00:24:17
films was setting up a showings for religious leaders, like big
00:24:24
Joel Osteen type, you know, like a crunch of different people.
00:24:27
And because then they would tell their congregations and people
00:24:30
come and see the movies. So we were doing private
00:24:34
screenings. And at one of them, this pastor
00:24:38
came up to me and recognize me from the TV show and said my
00:24:43
whole congregation prayed for you and your family after seeing
00:24:47
that show and that had such a huge impact on me like that, you
00:24:51
would take the time as well as with your whole entire
00:24:55
congregation, which is Huge to pray for one person and their
00:25:00
family, after seeing the show like, and and he was, he was
00:25:06
like, so genuine caring and loving and everything like that.
00:25:10
I wish I kept his name because I thought about him so many times
00:25:13
afterwards. But anyway, that that to me had
00:25:16
a big impact on my heart and then Then I went back to to
00:25:23
Washington and my mom had passed and I did her service I fishy at
00:25:30
her funeral service. And I really created it because
00:25:32
I really wanted to meet her passing.
00:25:35
It was so hard, it was quick, it was cancer.
00:25:38
And it ripped my heart out. Like, I felt like, I felt like
00:25:43
she was suffering. I hated it so bad, and I was
00:25:47
with her and I didn't know even know, what do you say to someone
00:25:52
who has no faith? You know, what do you say?
00:25:56
Think about you know, watch over me, I don't know what even to
00:26:00
say like and so that was really hard.
00:26:03
I was seriously in grief solid hardcore over that when I lost
00:26:11
her but I officiated her service.
00:26:13
And I made it a huge celebration of life with with you know her
00:26:17
palms and with a video and what I really could Put my heart into
00:26:20
it, kind of distracted me from my grief and made it into a
00:26:23
celebration. We were super close and my
00:26:27
husband was like you need to do this for a living, you know, you
00:26:29
have like a gift for for that. I thought a lot of public
00:26:33
speaking, you know, in my previous life.
00:26:35
And so I started a company called graceful farewell and
00:26:41
right away, I was hired by Dignity Memorial to officiate as
00:26:46
a celebrant life celebrant to officiate funeral services.
00:26:50
I mean, within days, they like all of a sudden every single
00:26:53
door opens like the training which is normally once a year in
00:26:56
Faraway places was like a mile down the road, the next day at
00:27:00
my house. So I went and did the training
00:27:02
and and then I was officiating funeral services, you know, we
00:27:07
may lower the casket and I'm like, I didn't even know where
00:27:10
to stand, where it what to do at the.
00:27:12
I've never been to a cemetery. But anyway, now I've officiated
00:27:16
hundreds of services, but but I'm telling you, that's because,
00:27:21
you know, one of the families that I met with wanted a prayer
00:27:24
set and I'm like I don't know how to pray.
00:27:28
I don't want to pray. I don't know the first thing of
00:27:31
what to do. I mean, I don't even understand
00:27:35
when you open the Bible, what the numbers mean?
00:27:37
What the lines me? What anything means I just had I
00:27:39
was blind any of this stuff and I didn't want to know and so I'm
00:27:43
like calling my colleagues. Like can you do this service
00:27:45
instead because they want to they want to prayer.
00:27:48
Well, he was already booked so I have to do it.
00:27:50
Okay, so what do I say, how do I how do I do this prayer?
00:27:54
I really like, you know, I'll do it, but I did.
00:28:00
And and also like my heart was like a little bit going like I
00:28:06
love I had compassion for people like I was certain to have
00:28:10
compassion for people and now I'm reading the Bible a little
00:28:15
bit because they want people want me to read scripture at
00:28:17
their services and and say some prayers, you know?
00:28:21
So I'm trying to figure it out like I bought a Bible.
00:28:25
I'm trying to go through this. It was so hard.
00:28:27
For me at first, then I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit
00:28:33
which was the most unbelievable. Change and situation that
00:28:40
happened to me ever in my life and it was completely
00:28:44
unexpected. Obviously totally unexpected.
00:28:46
It was like a zillion rays of light, radiating, love and Faded
00:28:51
every single corner of my being and I I felt like like my heart
00:28:58
was breaking apart Like My Heart of Stone was breaking apart and
00:29:05
it was like And I didn't know what was going on with me.
00:29:10
And I just simultaneous, I was just like, suddenly just bawling
00:29:14
bawling. I like going to my bedroom and
00:29:16
I'm just eyeballing them bawling and what's happening to me and I
00:29:20
could just I felt like a whole transformation going on and I
00:29:25
knew that it was God because nothing could have that much.
00:29:30
simultaneous like, love caring, you know, light on me all at the
00:29:38
same time and Later I learned about this quote from the rebels
00:29:46
is zekiel. 36 26 27. It says and I will give you a
00:29:49
new heart and a new spirit. I will put within you and I will
00:29:52
remove the Heart of Stone from your flesh and give you a heart
00:29:55
of Flesh. And I will put my spirit within
00:29:57
you. And I when I read that, I said,
00:30:00
that's what happened. And I was like, does anyone did
00:30:04
this happen to anyone in the world?
00:30:06
Like I didn't even tell my husband because I didn't know
00:30:08
what was going on. I still had to fly figure this
00:30:11
out and Um, and but I was then led to like to read the Bible.
00:30:17
So I bought this little baby Bible picture, baby Bible and I
00:30:21
read that because I thought I would never be able to
00:30:23
understand the Bible, and then I got a teen picture book and I
00:30:26
just kind of graduated up to the, the full Bible and the Holy
00:30:31
Spirit. Just kind of led me, picture,
00:30:33
books, and videos, and testimonies and scripture and
00:30:37
you know the Bible project does these great.
00:30:41
Read books of the Bible which is fantastic.
00:30:44
And I really helped me to go through and understand.
00:30:47
And anyway, so as led to all of this, but my prayer life was so
00:30:52
personal. I told nobody but every single
00:30:56
time that I will call on the Lord, I'd be washed over with
00:31:03
love and I would start simultaneously crying weeping
00:31:08
hit and laughing hysterically. Now that's a sight to behold.
00:31:12
I've never done that before my life, until this all started
00:31:15
happening, but it's because it's so it's almost too much for your
00:31:20
body, you know? Like, because it's just so much
00:31:22
love and he's there, and I realized God is alive.
00:31:26
Jesus is Alive The Holy Spirits alive, and inside of me, and And
00:31:33
I just felt so individually loved and you know I right away
00:31:40
I wanted to go and get baptized right?
00:31:42
And so I was like going to all these different churches.
00:31:44
They say you have to do a course.
00:31:46
First, you have to like will eat it once a month and I'm like
00:31:49
what is this place? You know, finding my brother
00:31:52
came over and he baptized me because I found out that, you
00:31:55
know, he was Christian and many years ago, he said you guys are
00:32:00
constantly confessing your crimes but you never accept
00:32:02
forgiveness. For gone from God.
00:32:03
I'm like hmm. I was having this crazy, you
00:32:07
know, Jesus Freak or something like that.
00:32:10
I never gave him the time of day.
00:32:12
But anyway so now here I am and so I had that personal moment
00:32:17
and I mean, my study time like every single day I was and I
00:32:22
never told any of my Scientology friends but then I posted
00:32:26
something about, you know, the love of Jesus or something like
00:32:30
that. I had like tons of followers on
00:32:32
Litter like 18 after the show or whatever and it was
00:32:37
like, oh from one call to the next, you know.
00:32:40
Yeah. And so I like just canceled my
00:32:41
accounts. I went off because I didn't want
00:32:44
anybody to give their opinion on what was going on.
00:32:47
This was so personal to me. It was so life-changing to me.
00:32:52
And so I literally canceled Facebook, I canceled Twitter, I
00:32:56
get, you know, went off of it and I just studied some I
00:32:59
couldn't get enough. I was Five Books open while the
00:33:02
Videos playing while the like this kind of stuff going on.
00:33:05
And I wish I could just download, I was trying to just
00:33:10
download and understand everything.
00:33:12
And anyway that transformation to me was, I felt Joy.
00:33:18
I felt love and compassion. I remember what it was first
00:33:22
happening. I was like, I don't know.
00:33:22
Do we need to adopt the baby? Do we need to adopt a dog?
00:33:25
We need to, like, I need to do something that help people.
00:33:29
And now, I, all I have to do is call on the name of the Lord.
00:33:32
He he's there. He says, when you call my name,
00:33:35
I'll be there. He is there.
00:33:38
I feel like I said, I feel I feel so individually known and
00:33:44
loved, and it's amazing. And I know that that God wants
00:33:49
that relationship with everybody, because he said that
00:33:52
to me and the communication with the Holy Spirit or Jesus or God
00:33:57
there, one, the communication is like, It's, I don't hear answers
00:34:05
or whatever. I when I talked to them, it's
00:34:07
like, complete Concepts. It's like where I can see feel
00:34:12
understand exactly what they're telling me without like a verbal
00:34:16
thing. I don't hear sounds of spiritual
00:34:18
communication with, you know, knowing with no time or effort
00:34:22
type of amazing. I mean it's just amazing and
00:34:25
it's instantaneous And it's so full of joy and love it.
00:34:30
So you referenced an Old Testament.
00:34:32
Verse New Testament says you become a new creation, so your
00:34:36
foot your bubbly. You seem happy full of joy.
00:34:39
What was a me, scoby? When following L Ron Hubbard's
00:34:45
Dianetics? What was that Amy like?
00:34:52
Intense, you know, we we swore like every other word in
00:34:56
Scientology because everything was so, so important and dead
00:35:00
run and you know, live win or live or die in the attempt.
00:35:03
And, and this kind of thing, everybody in Scientology was
00:35:06
like swearing left, right? And Center, that totally fell
00:35:09
off of me. When this encounter with the
00:35:11
Holy Spirit, the swearing gone. I was addicted to cigarettes
00:35:15
since the age of nine. I was smoking.
00:35:17
I was lying. I was hiding it.
00:35:18
I was sneaking it because my husband want me to smoke.
00:35:20
It's like I'm not smoking. I'm smoking my butt off.
00:35:24
And that was the last time I ever had a puff of cigarette.
00:35:27
Like, it just fell off of me and several other things that was
00:35:30
just, you know, like it wasn't. It wasn't just oh wow, I feel
00:35:35
good. It was like a serious change.
00:35:38
A serious changed, my, my Outlook, my I just had a huge
00:35:42
compassion for people and that's one of the reasons why I love
00:35:47
what I do and people can see my website at life celebration.
00:35:50
Cam, it's life Dash, celebration.com where I, it has
00:35:54
testimonies of the services that I've done for people.
00:35:57
And so I do that. And I'm also blessed to be able
00:36:01
to I work for mode systems and we go around.
00:36:06
My uncle was Dick. Scobee the astronaut that went
00:36:09
up in the Challenger that exploded and eight and 1986 with
00:36:13
the teacher on board and his wife, my Aunt June was a
00:36:18
founding member of the Challenger centers Challenger
00:36:22
Learning Centers around the nation.
00:36:24
And so I'm doing renovations in the audiovisual installations
00:36:29
for Challenger centers. So what role did your uncle play
00:36:32
on that mission? It was the commander of that
00:36:34
flight. Wow, yeah, he had been up before
00:36:37
as a pilot and photographer and this one he was the commander.
00:36:41
How does how has all of this? You couldn't have kept it secret
00:36:44
in your house for long. Obviously you're talking about
00:36:48
it, but what influence did it have on your husband?
00:36:51
He saw the change. He saw the change and I have led
00:36:55
him to the Lord, like can't fool your family.
00:36:58
He didn't want to quit swearing. It's where I go.
00:37:04
I showed him all the thing called in the Bible about know
00:37:07
it's their individual Journey but he but it was undeniable the
00:37:12
change in me. And and so he was like, he could
00:37:16
see it and I led him to the Lord and he's accepted Jesus as his
00:37:21
Lord and Savior and he is mighty child of God and we pray
00:37:26
together and stuff like that. And anyway, he's I'm so glad
00:37:32
because I prayed about that, too.
00:37:33
Because it's kind of hard. I'm by myself.
00:37:36
I'm not at my comp my, my friends, all my friends were
00:37:40
mainly ex-scientologists and then my husband who was a
00:37:45
Scientologist to. And here I am having this whole
00:37:50
Jesus movement in my heart and life and it was, and it's hard
00:37:56
to explain to somebody if you because it's It's a relationship
00:38:00
and it's a feeling in, it's a knowing and it's a change that.
00:38:05
Nothing else could do ever. You know, nothing else can do
00:38:09
that, what can change my heart? What process could change my
00:38:13
heart? Nothing.
00:38:14
You know, it's the difference between the religion of
00:38:16
Christianity and you notice a true Christianity, but the
00:38:25
religion of it Christ. I've relationship with Christ
00:38:28
the different. It's not religion.
00:38:31
I don't even go to a specific church when we talk about that
00:38:33
and I can, you know, I'm not against it.
00:38:35
I have, you know, I still have like a little alerts when I see
00:38:41
different things where people who are trying to control it at
00:38:43
these different things and stuff like that, which I am on high
00:38:46
alert but it's not a religion. It's it's a relationship.
00:38:53
It's not a man-made thing. It's a relationship with Christ
00:38:57
and that to me is all is all the matters and I'm here, I'll be
00:39:02
his life. I'll be you know, his his feet
00:39:07
anything that he would his Well is I pray, you know, often I say
00:39:12
closed doors that no man can open and open doors that no man
00:39:15
can close until I'm standing in your perfect will.
00:39:18
And I just want to do the will of God.
00:39:20
I know that I'm here for a reason and and and I asked him
00:39:25
to leave me into all things that would put me in his will and and
00:39:30
I'm just really happy about it and I can have joy and comfort
00:39:34
knowing that I have a destiny which will end eventually end up