Jenn was told God gave her a gift to be a psychic. She was a professional psychic medium for years, feeling she was using her gift to help others. She was also involved in numerology, astrology, and divination until she experienced a Divine Encounter.
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Top 10.com, top 10, psychic and medium related.
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TV shows number one, of course, the Long Island Medium.
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The long item medium stars. Theresa Caputo, who is known for
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walking right up to strangers. The pass along messages from
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departed, loved ones, from the grocery store to restaurants.
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She is attuned to the spiritual realm and in service to Bridging
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the Realms of the living and deceased the spa.
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At Native her approach leads to candid responses of those who
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are on the receiving end of the information.
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She is sharing number two out of ten is the Hollywood medium with
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Tyler Henry, Tyler Henry Chronicles, the readings of
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Clairvoyant. Tyler Henry, who discovers his
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intuitive gifts at the age of 10.
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He started filming this TV series and 2016, when he was
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only 19, And his popularity grew after he appeared on Keeping Up
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with the Kardashians, to do a mediumship reading for the
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Sisters. I need television.
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Number three, the seatbelt psychic writing off.
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Popular shows such as cash cab and carpool.
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Karaoke seatbelt, psychic features, medium thomas-john
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picking up strangers. And relaying messages from
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departed, loved ones. John's goal is to touch the
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lives of as many people as possible trusting.
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He'll cross paths with the people, he's meant to meet.
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So this on the Move show is perfect for his mission that's
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on the lifetime channel. Number four on a any is psychic
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kids. Children of the Paranormal
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children tend to have a stronger connection to the other side,
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hence imaginary friends and seeing things in the Posit
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adults, can't psychic kids, Children of the Paranormal,
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explore the unique abilities of children, with reported, psychic
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ability, and connects them with adult psychic mediums to help
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cultivate their gifts. Also, we have number 5 pet,
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psychic pets, quickly become valued family members and their
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passing is often as painful. Oh my goodness, they didn't say
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that, but they did and they're passing.
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It is often just as painful, the pet psychic features a medium
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Sun, F Fitzpatrick telepathically communicating
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with animals from cats and dogs to horses and birds Fitzpatrick
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uses our special gift to share messages with pet owners.
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We go on that one number 6, America's psychic challenge.
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America, psychic challenge is a game in which four contestants
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compete to see, who is America's top psychic.
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All right, that's enough number seven.
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Rescue medium, rescue medium, showcases, International
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psychics, the skip all this wood between plenty of paranormal
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encounters occurred throughout the season, including
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possessions, Poltergeist, and ghosts, that need to be dealt
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with number eight. Psychic investigators, I think
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that's self-explanatory. They use psychics to solve
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Mysteries and murders. Ghost Whisperer number 9 with
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Jennifer Love Hewitt is a supernatural television series
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about Melinda Gordon who can speak with Earthbound Spirits.
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These Spirits need Gordon's help in order to move on and she must
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use her mediumship abilities to relay important information to
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the living. Number 10, medium, medium is a
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paranormal drama about the Character.
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Abla when Convincing non-believers of her gift and
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living her life as a wife and mother of three.
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And this is written by this article was written by an
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astrologer numerologist and a tarot card reader.
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And Jen before we chat on a show, you one more thing that
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you may have heard of, I've heard of quite a bit, is the
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medical medium which is very popular and this is endorsed by
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many, many celebrities. And I'm just going to read this
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little about on his website. Meet Anthony William medical
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medium. He is chronic illness expert,
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originator of the global celery juice movement in brain, shot
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therapy and host of the medical medium podcast.
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He's the number one New York Times bestseller and they named
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several books. He's been a best-seller of
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Anthony was born with the unique ability to converse with the
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spirit of compassion, capitalized.
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As a name, the spirit of compassion, who provides him
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with extraordinary. Ordinary Advanced Healing
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medical information that's far ahead of its time.
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So, there was a lot of information but that's where we
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are culturally today. It's not shocking, its
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mainstream television and entertainment.
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Thoughts, Jen, the X psychic, my thoughts on what's going on in
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culture. And those shows that you
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mentioned, I really prayed, nobody could see this but I with
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my face while you were reading them, you know, I don't know
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where you would want to begin, but the medical medium, you
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know, Anthony William. Who doesn't want to feel good,
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right? We all want to feel good.
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We want to feel better and when he calls who he's communicating
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with the Of compassion. He actually said in an interview
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that whoever you believe could be like this higher source, or
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whoever is kind of like God to you, is who he be contacting to
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receive information about you and about your ailments.
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This is completely demonic. First of all, the holy spirit is
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God, and he's not a spirit of compact.
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He's not in the spirit of compassion.
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He's not referred to as Spirit quote-unquote.
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We know that any diviner, any medium is not communicating with
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any Godly, holy entity, but any diviner divination is condemned
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by God. So, when you have these people
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talking about, you know, Skating with the other side or with
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Spirits or things like that, they're communicating with
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demons, but they are deceived, they don't know that.
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So they have this vague general idea of spirituality and
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spiritism and mysticism, and that kind of justifies it for
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them. I think they don't subscribe to
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any Authority. That's what spirituality is not
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subscribing to any real Authority.
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So the medical medium, the fact that Medium is after the word,
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medical is your red flag you Want to engage in any form of
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mediumship any as good as it can look, as much as the diviner
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appears to want to help you. And that's really what the guys
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is and I remind people that Satan masquerades as an angel of
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Light or a messenger and Angels messenger and it's no wonder
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that his servants would masquerade as Servants of
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righteousness so it's going to look like something good.
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It's going to seem like something good and feel like
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Something good for a little while, but it doesn't mean that
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it is and it certainly doesn't mean that it's Godly.
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It's very dangerous and open level.
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What's wrong with a celery juice cleanse or eating?
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Well, why would a demonic entity one?
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Our bodies to be healthy or these people are on a mission
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like in the TV shows to help people and I, you were on a
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mission to help people That's correct.
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I was and I really believed that I was helping people.
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I was told by the new age Community when I didn't know
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what was happening to me. I'm, you know, receiving
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information about people's psychically is not your
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day-to-day thing, it's not the norm.
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I had no idea what that was. And so I would keep going to the
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problem for the solution. Other psychics, other mediums
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tarot card readers, and they're all part of the new age
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Community though. It's not new.
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Of course, and they told me, I had a gift, a gift from God.
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And that's what many people maintain today, that this is a
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Godly gift and that you needed to help people.
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And I'm not saying that mediums don't want to help people.
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I wanted to help people, but it doesn't help people.
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And that's where you get the trickery from the evil one.
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So kind of like you said, well what's wrong about eating?
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Well or wanting to feel better or Giving information, you know
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that would seem like it's helping you well the medical
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medium. First of all he does his body
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scans and gets his information from GM and so he might know a
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couple, he might know a couple of things about you.
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So his solution is going to celery I'm not trying to be
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snarky at all whatsoever, but I just want to point out that God
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created the garden with plants and seeds and herbs and it's not
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exactly. Lee rocket science that if we
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eat fruits and vegetables, we're going to feel a little bit
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better. Then if you pounded down
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cheeseburgers all day, the thing is that demons don't care if you
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get a little bit of what you want.
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So let's say you feel better, your stomach issue is cleared up
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your skin. Condition is cleared up for a
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little while. A demon doesn't care about that
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because you have rejected, God, you have disobeyed God and
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you've gone to the medium. For your alleged help you've
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gone to and so what help is it even to physically feel better
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for a little while without God? Because without God, you will be
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eternally separated from him. And do not think it's coming
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from God because it's good. So there's the, the good mediums
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versus maybe the dark or it goes through all kinds of even the
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new age thinking of, you know, the new agent Star Wars where
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has a good side of the force and a bad side of the same Force.
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It's how you Channel it. And either way, you're
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channeling Spirits which this guy claims to have heard of
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compassion. Luke Skywalker, had to Obi-Wan
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Kenobi, but it's all the same thing, right?
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You're channeling. Wisdom, that actually isn't from
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God. That's right.
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That's it. Doesn't mean it's not wisdom,
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but then the bottom route is just keeping you thinking.
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It's God and it's not. That's right.
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And that's deception. How would you be deceived?
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And how would you fall for it if you just boldly knew?
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And they just blatantly told you hey, I'm a demon and that's
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where this information is coming from, you know, not the psychic
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but who the psychic is speaking to and you know, you probably
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really shouldn't be doing this. Well, that's not, that's not
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going to happen. You, you have to be to see if
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some help you and I mean Satan. Is so powerful and his servants
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of powerful. It's not difficult for him to
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trick us but what a great trick to use God to actually use God's
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name to use the name of Jesus to say this is helpful and good for
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you and it's like to woo you over in regards to the good and
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the bad. You bring up a good point just
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like good witches and bad witches, it's all witchcraft,
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it's all Unholy, it's all against God, there's no such
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thing as a good or a bad. IAM psychic tarot card reader.
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One may associate, you know, let's say a bad one with
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somebody who just didn't give them enough information or
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somebody who's maybe you know, dressed in a scary fashion or
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looking, you know, daunting but no it doesn't matter.
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Looks it doesn't matter if you charge money, if you don't
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charge money, it doesn't matter. If you call yourself a white,
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witch, or a gray, which, or black, which it simply doesn't
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matter, because it's Oldham. Manik.
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That's that's what it is. Yeah, let's back up just a
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little bit Jen. And I'm a churchgoer even.
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I don't know. Scriptures, all that.
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Well, but I don't even think it's any of its true.
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It's all nonsense and it can't be in the Bible.
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Okay, so you're posing as somebody who is good, we're
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starting with. We believe this is true.
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There's also the element of what's crazy psychics aren't
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real, mediums aren't real. It's all a scam for your money
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where you scamming people for money.
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Well, no I definitely was not scaring people for money.
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This is it's very real. That's a huge deception of the
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evil one to make you think that he doesn't even exist and these
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things don't go on and it's just way too. - and that's very new
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age, to be honest, with you, trying to keep everything on a
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positive vibe, where somebody who goes to church and you still
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don't believe in it and that's and you made a good point.
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Well you don't really know the scriptures that well well I
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understand that and that's why you don't know.
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You need to be in the word of God, to be spiritually
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protected. I mean, Jesus is our spiritual
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protection, his word, equips us to be protected.
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You need to be in the word of God.
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That is on us but many churches. Don't Preach it.
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Many churches aren't talking about divination but God is
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clear about divination actually from the beginning of his word
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to the end of it. This is not a new practice, this
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is very real and it's ancient people have been doing this for
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ages. We've always had the choice God
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or the devil. Where are you going to go to,
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for your knowledge, for your wisdom, for your piece, for your
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joy, right? So you have a choice and people
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have been doing it for ages. Has astrology mediums.
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The Witch of Endor, I mean this was going on.
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This is very real. And if you're in church and
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you're not believing it, I strongly encourage you to
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address your pastors. Number one, and number two,
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remember, it's your due diligence to be in the word.
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Its 2nd, Timothy 3:16 and 17 says that the word is breathed
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into by God and sufficient for us and useful for reproof
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correction. I'm training to equip man for
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every good work and to put the, I could say Christian
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Perspective, let's say the scripture perspective.
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If you're to put it all in a nutshell, it's super simple.
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There's a kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness have
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nothing to do. Like, you are saying with
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divination with sorcery, with speaking to the Dead.
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And mediums. Because it's it Compares it to
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adultery, you're supposed to be working through the holy spirit.
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So my easiest way to explain to people is everything in the
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Demonic, realm is a play off of something that was real God
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created. So the Holy Spirit has gifts
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that are very similar and that's what should be functioning in
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the church words of wisdom Gifts of knowledge, and healing and
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all this. Then there's a demonic version
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that can do all those nice things.
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But but it's not the holy spirit so I have nothing to do with him
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at all. It's like spiritual adultery.
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It's like getting married to somebody or being married to
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Christ and then running around with other people.
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The run around with other Spirits.
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Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting
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because it shows how much We crave that spiritual assistance.
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And we, but we, but we need God, we're really craving God, but we
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can be easily fooled and distracted by The by the copycat
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version of the enemy, especially a spirit guide, which I really
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believe spirit guide is trying to copy cat.
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The Holy Spirit completely offering help, assistance wisdom
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and all of that to the psychic medium and to the individual
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who's not even practicing divination.
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But if they go for reading, still be told they have a spirit
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guide. Yeah.
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And if they if someone dabbles, dabble being what Tara car cards
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are getting Palms read or Let's try doing astrology, even
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horoscopes and things. They're going to experience
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probably they're opening a little door of some, there's
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always intrigued, there's always a mystery.
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And then appeal, and then maybe experience something positive, a
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little power, omph of some kind, and that's the draw, isn't it?
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Yeah, and I think most people, you know, scripture says, God
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puts eternity in the hearts of, man, there's a yearning for a
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spiritual, I'm going on a soapbox, but you know, to
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separate the study of religions from like education doesn't make
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sense because all societies have been built on belief systems and
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religion from because mankind has always believed there's a
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spirit realm out there or that they are in some Essence
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themselves and But in modern day or what you're doing, or what
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I'm doing, is, its popular to like I read all of these hit TV
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shows that do psychic mediums and whatnot because people have
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an interest in the Paranormal, they get attracted to that but
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it's but you don't consider it religion so you can talk about
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it all day. As soon as you say, there's a
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God alternative. You're into religion and your
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kind of shut down a little bit. Right.
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Right? And it's you know again that
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will then you're subscribing to an authority kind of it, which
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is on par with what you're saying.
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If you're just spiritual and you're talking about mediums and
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mediumship and paranormal and maybe throw in some God, words
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and Jesus words, well, you have it the way that you want it, and
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that goes back against what you said about.
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That little bit of control a little power.
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You you're the decider, you're the authority.
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You don't subscribe to any Authority.
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It's it's so dangerous. It's so dangerous.
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So what was your experience? If I went to you however many
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years ago when you are making a living at this?
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I probably I mean it could be for fun.
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Could do with just a group of friends on a weekend or
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whatever, but it could also be, I'm really hurting.
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I mean, I think of like Mary Todd Lincoln having a seance has
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in the white house because she's Losing children, and very hurt
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over it and believed in spiritism at the time.
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Hoping someone could help her communicate with the dead.
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There's that desire to help ease our grief.
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And if some, if there's or Houdini grieving over his mother
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who died and he decides to expose all counterfeits even in
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hopes to find one true. And that could help him
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communicate with his with his mother.
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Those are extreme examples but the desire to ease our grief or
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there's life beyond the grave. If we don't have a hope.
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I go to you. I tell do I tell you that and
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then you kind of see if you, did you ever go that far?
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Trying to like get a voice from somebody for me or do I just go
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there generally and you do like a reading and you tell me what's
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going on in my life and I just feel like, universally the
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spirit world knows I exist. And I just feel better because
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of that. Or so what would happen in my
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readings is, you'd be a perfect stranger.
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You would come, and I would only have your name and phone number
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and you would sit and I would have Done my whole ritual, my
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smudging with the sage my candles, the whole thing.
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And then I would sit with the notebook and a pen, because
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automatic writing was a part of my readings as well and spawned
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smut smudging, and the smudge windows for ya.
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So, smudging is taking a bundle of white sage, which really was
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a cultural practice, Native American and some other cultures
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do it as well. And they Leave that it's going
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to rid the room of demonic energies and entities.
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And it's of course, not true at all because demons only bow down
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to Jesus. So, you're claiming thinking,
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you're cleaning the room of demons to allow for good spirits
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to only be present. I'm laughing because, you know,
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I have to be so honest with you think?
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Going back on how I fell for all of this deception is mind
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blowing, but that's because I'm so far away from it.
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Now, how do you think that you're going to, you know,
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that's again, going back to the power that you have that man
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has. See the new age is all about
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you. So that's assuming that I had
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the power to control the spirit realm, right?
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That's in part of the deception. Is they want you to think that?
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Absolutely, absolutely. We don't care about A sage being
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burned at all. Not hurting anybody.
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That's right. That's right there.
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So crafty, and that's what we really have to drive home.
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Demons are crafty, they're intelligent and they're
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powerful. So it's just like what you're
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saying. That's what they want you to
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believe they. They are intelligent.
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I digress. So I'm making you digress but
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trying to understand. Yeah.
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So that was so that was my little ritual and then, the
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person would you'd be sitting there and No, you would say
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nothing. I would give you my
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introduction, which would give you a rundown of how I was going
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to do, the reading conduct the reading, you know what symbols,
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I would get that. I would get numbers that I would
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get names and what have you? And the only time I wanted you
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to say anything was, if you could affirm what I was saying
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or, you know, quote-unquote who was coming through and that's
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called validating or making validation.
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Yes. You definitely did not did you
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study and learn the tricks? Like we're a lot of people
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think? Well it's not Spirit or / or -
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divine It's they say generic things, they watch your facial
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expressions that you hit something that's true that and
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you feed off of that. Did you kind of have in your
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mind like, psychics 101 do these 10 things and you can pretty
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much convince anybody or did you really just go in cold and
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believe that you were being funneled information?
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It was interesting terms because what you just described first is
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a cold, reading a cold read. Thing is, when a psychic, we'll
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look for the cues. And to be honest with you, I
00:24:05
know that people see that a lot. I don't think it's the majority
00:24:08
people like me when I was doing it.
00:24:11
We really were receiving information and a lot of the, at
00:24:15
least a couple of the psychics you mentioned in.
00:24:17
Those shows. I know for a fact, I mean, I
00:24:20
know Teresa, I haven't seen her many years but we grew up in the
00:24:23
same, you know, we were in the same circle of people, she's a
00:24:26
real medium. I was a real me.
00:24:28
Idiom, we really were receiving information.
00:24:30
They wouldn't know looking for cues and things like that.
00:24:34
Divination group, the Divination group that I was in, was to go
00:24:38
through guided meditation and to keep doing readings.
00:24:42
It was not at all. To teach you how to look for
00:24:45
things to read off of, matter of fact, I can't even understand
00:24:49
where somebody would start with that.
00:24:51
I guess you'd have to look for, I don't know.
00:24:54
I don't know, wedding rings. Justin, I don't know.
00:24:56
Yeah, right. Yeah.
00:24:57
That's you know, just thinking about that.
00:25:00
I don't even know where somebody would start with that.
00:25:01
Know, I was very shy and I was very serious.
00:25:04
I was very serious about this, I was very demonically oppressed
00:25:09
and even though I didn't think I was demonically oppressed, I
00:25:13
thought I was just surrounded by spirit and even that term just
00:25:17
it's a singular term. But describes it almost reminds
00:25:23
me of Legion. If you think back in the The
00:25:24
Bible, because it describes more than one Spirit.
00:25:27
You're surrounded by spirits, but we would call Spirit anyway.
00:25:34
So I would just go on and do the reading and I would start
00:25:36
telling you who was coming through and who, you know what?
00:25:39
They looked like if it was a mother or father birthdays and
00:25:46
You know, things like that and and and down to the, the very
00:25:51
detailed information that of course couldn't be cold.
00:25:55
Read you know you were in your room.
00:25:58
Last Tuesday, you dropped the last thing.
00:26:01
Your mom left, you this note and it fell under the bed and nobody
00:26:05
else was in the room with you. And you went down underneath the
00:26:07
bed and you know, the psychic can report these things and say
00:26:11
these things because demons were watching, they're watching.
00:26:15
Yeah, it It. So what they've seen they can
00:26:18
report and they have to report some of those incidences.
00:26:22
Otherwise. Why would you believe it?
00:26:25
Why would you go to them for any?
00:26:27
You were told, you had a gift from God.
00:26:29
You knew there was Spirit presence.
00:26:32
Helping you do this. Did you think I mean, these were
00:26:37
Angelic beings, or did you feel a darkness when you weren't
00:26:42
giving the readings? What was your life like in
00:26:45
between? Wow, those are great questions.
00:26:47
I okay, let's see one two and three one.
00:26:52
I believed I was contacted by not particularly at which they
00:26:59
Angelic sometimes, maybe Angelic entities, or spirits.
00:27:04
But during the readings I believed I was being contacted
00:27:07
by deceased people. People that actually died.
00:27:11
I also believed I was speaking to, you know, spirit guide.
00:27:16
It's ascended masters. These were just other names for
00:27:19
demons. But on outside of the readings
00:27:26
yes there were times that I knew there was something very
00:27:30
Sinister. At least there was a part of it
00:27:33
that was Sinister which would Merit the staging and the, you
00:27:38
know, imagining white light around myself and things like
00:27:41
that trying to filter out the good in the bad.
00:27:44
I knew there was bad. I imagining white light, is that
00:27:48
the same kind of process as the burning?
00:27:50
The sage you You're defending off the evil spirits.
00:27:55
Supposedly yes, yes, and that's what.
00:27:57
So when I wanted to a divination group right when I hit the peak
00:28:03
of these demonic, Experiences. You know if you will when I was
00:28:10
like right at the peak of the mediumship and I didn't quite
00:28:14
know what was going on. I didn't know what this was and
00:28:16
of course I went to my medium and she's like, you're medium,
00:28:20
you need to go to this divination group.
00:28:21
Here's the name and number and I went and that was part of it.
00:28:26
They're trying to teach you, their lies, how to protect
00:28:29
yourself as one of them. And she told us that we could
00:28:33
imagine white light around ourselves, just like the line
00:28:37
around the body and a crime scene, that's what you would
00:28:39
say. Imagine like drawing that white
00:28:42
light around yourself Ken that, that's your imagination for
00:28:48
heaven's sakes. So now you get no and I'm not
00:28:51
going to be snorky. But again, I just looking back.
00:28:54
So now my imagination has the power to control demons and
00:29:00
filter out and like this. It's almost like this Aura, you
00:29:04
know, which was a big part of the new age as well, the aura of
00:29:07
the, the psychic field and that you have this field of energy
00:29:10
and everything is energy, of course, and you have the ability
00:29:14
and the power to control, you know, who's coming through and
00:29:18
who's not coming through now. So then you it would have to be
00:29:22
that there was something wrong with me, right?
00:29:24
If when I felt something evil, this goes beyond mediumship, but
00:29:29
I think it's the same lines. You may be able to at least give
00:29:32
A more educated answer educated, guess I guess, I don't know.
00:29:36
But when people involved in like Witchcraft and they're doing in
00:29:42
chance or spells or whatever, is it the same kind of thought?
00:29:45
I mean you're not controlling a demonic entities by words you
00:29:50
say repeat or the circles you draw in.
00:29:53
The sure that but the routine is it like the Like, a Ouija board
00:30:00
is just a Parker Brothers, you know, cardboard and plastic game
00:30:05
when it comes down to it. It's not doing anything
00:30:07
spiritually, but it's the person's proven willingness of
00:30:13
trying to reach out and be open. Hmm, that brings in the power,
00:30:19
so it's not so much. These chance, the exact mix of
00:30:22
The Witches Brew. I know that's more like pop
00:30:24
culture, but whatever that does it, but it's the fact that
00:30:28
you're you're doing it right now.
00:30:31
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:30:32
Right. And just to be clear that's
00:30:35
still a little bit different than intention because some
00:30:37
people might say, hey well it's all about your intention even
00:30:40
witchcraft will say it's about your intention.
00:30:43
Like the spell will only come true if you believe.
00:30:46
I mean, look at the look at the deception there.
00:30:51
No, it's not even about whether your spell coming true or
00:30:54
whatever. You've opened the door.
00:30:57
Your willingness your Ian to go to Witchcraft to go to the Ouija
00:31:02
board, to go to any form of divination of divination tool.
00:31:06
Like you said you made the choice to do that, you've opened
00:31:09
the door and the demons were right there, you're already in
00:31:14
the thought in the movement and then the actions in The Words
00:31:19
which all fall along scripture. As far as salvation and moving
00:31:23
in faith is Learning a truth. Believing a truth.
00:31:29
Speaking on a truth and acting a truth.
00:31:31
It seems all the same to me except you're doing it and the
00:31:34
Demonic side and you're just laying down your spirit almost
00:31:39
like you would for Christ but you're doing it in darkness. -
00:31:43
not the exact enchantment. It's the the laying down of
00:31:47
yourself, I guess. Mhm.
00:31:50
Yeah, and it's and and you know, we you mentioned before, which I
00:31:55
think we should get back to you real quick, if you don't mind
00:31:57
because you said, when you were giving examples about people
00:32:01
that you believed were kind of not the norm, you know, the
00:32:05
person with the, you know, why they're going to see the medium
00:32:10
the children with the cancer. Who do I do?
00:32:12
Out with that a lot. And so, when you think about the
00:32:15
reason why people or the reasons why people are even going to
00:32:18
divination that going to psychic mediums out of their emotional
00:32:25
issues, you know, grief loneliness.
00:32:28
Hopelessness grief is so hard. It's one of the hardest thing.
00:32:34
A lot of my clients that I had were people that lost their
00:32:38
husbands, lost their children and they were so desperate to
00:32:43
Maintain what they believed was a connection with them so it's
00:32:47
like, never letting them go, it's maintaining a connection
00:32:51
and if you think about it, then you would always have to go.
00:32:53
And that's why there's no peace, right?
00:32:55
If you really believe that you're connecting with your
00:32:57
deceased, child your mother, your father, You're always going
00:33:02
to have to go to a psychic. Yeah.
00:33:04
And you never going to God and that's where your real pieces.
00:33:08
Of course, we know the deceased aren't coming through.
00:33:11
They're not there they're not talking through the psychic but
00:33:17
the devil does seek to steal your joy, your peace and your
00:33:21
Victory and that's what that's what's happening when you're in
00:33:25
the hamster. Wheel of the new age you keep
00:33:27
going to that and I always say comes down to the two choices.
00:33:31
Go. God of the devil.
00:33:32
God of the devil. Where are you going to go?
00:33:34
You have a choice. New age is the funniest term to
00:33:38
me ever, because it's so blatantly not the new age, it's
00:33:43
like the oldest age possible, Right?
00:33:46
The same activity has been going on since the, since recorded
00:33:50
history. Same Spirit, same activity
00:33:54
people doing the same things or whatever.
00:33:56
Mhm, we just repackage it and call it new literally, we call
00:34:00
it new. I guess that's what's funny
00:34:01
about it. It's rum. so, So once again, I'm
00:34:08
a church-going person and I'm thinking well Old Testament
00:34:12
bands, a lot of stuff. Got a bottom Of course, I don't
00:34:16
agree with that theology. But yeah, so I'm looking at
00:34:19
folks on the New Testament, give me a new testament example.
00:34:24
Wear mediums and demons are related.
00:34:29
Sure we can go right to acts 16. 16 we see the spirit of
00:34:35
Divination in the slave girl the spirit of fortune telling and
00:34:40
the for the demon and she's bothering pole for a week you
00:34:44
know following him and you know yelling at him and and he
00:34:49
finally has had enough. And what if she was saying was
00:34:52
true She was saying was true that absolute.
00:34:56
And yeah, let's talk about this because the demon of divination
00:35:00
that she that was possessing her.
00:35:03
And again, wouldn't I don't want to go into possession yet, but
00:35:05
who was possessing? Her was so spot-on.
00:35:09
And of course, he knows, Jesus, the devil knows.
00:35:12
Jesus demons know. Jesus, Jesus is the only one
00:35:15
with the authority. Over them.
00:35:18
What he the the demon was so spot-on and yeah, he was saying
00:35:22
you're you Of the most high God, you know, forgive me for not
00:35:29
knowing verbatim, I don't have a scripture has memorized.
00:35:31
Well, that's why I had, you talked about it, I couldn't
00:35:33
remember either. Oh, okay, you put it on me, but
00:35:37
that's the part I was thinking about we're going.
00:35:39
Yeah, no, that's perfect. Because actually, the Bible goes
00:35:42
on to tell us that pull cast her cast that demon of divination
00:35:46
out. And then makes a point of
00:35:48
telling us that she had been making her employer.
00:35:51
Lots of money. That's how spot Atan.
00:35:54
Yeah, he was mad. He was mad.
00:35:57
Yeah like wanted to report Paul is doing us.
00:36:00
Almost some kind of crime because he cast a
00:36:04
fortune-telling a psychic demon out of her and now she can't
00:36:07
tell the future or whatever and everything.
00:36:11
She was saying that we have recorded was absolutely the
00:36:13
truth, but it was coming from a demonic Source, right?
00:36:17
That's right. I mean of course you could also
00:36:20
go to. I love acts 1919 when the 7th Of
00:36:24
skiba go and decide they're going to exercise a demon out of
00:36:28
the demon-possessed, man. Right now, of course, they don't
00:36:32
have the Holy Spirit, they're not Believers.
00:36:35
So, they're trying to cast this demon out in the name of pools.
00:36:38
God and the demon is like what? We know pool.
00:36:41
And we know Jesus, but we don't know you and they the
00:36:46
demon-possessed man bested, these guys, you know, left them
00:36:49
naked and beaten, and they come back and it created a Revival
00:36:52
and Ephesus. And all the people that were
00:36:56
doing the black magic, the sorcery saw that.
00:37:00
There is only one Authority. These guys didn't have it.
00:37:03
They didn't know Jesus. They don't have the Holy Spirit
00:37:06
and they were bested by the demon so they took all of their
00:37:10
stuff there there paraphernalia, if you will, and they burned all
00:37:15
their books and everything in the Bible says, it was worth a
00:37:18
lot of money and giving us a detail.
00:37:21
Like that I think holds so much weight to say, hey, we are so
00:37:25
sure that we need the Lord Jesus.
00:37:28
He's got the authority over demons.
00:37:31
You know, we without him we don't and we should not be
00:37:37
entertaining this sorcery and they no matter how much it costs
00:37:41
them, they got rid of it. So what you, what brought you
00:37:45
out of it? Well, Jesus, long story short,
00:37:50
have a good day. No, I'm only kidding.
00:37:52
Right? Howdy.
00:37:54
Yeah, you know, I came to end of myself moment at the end of my
00:38:01
36th year. I was extremely oppressed
00:38:04
demonically, oppressed, you asked me before, what was my
00:38:06
life like in the midst of this whole thing, some usual ups and
00:38:12
in my life but a lot of down Ons, and of course, that
00:38:16
shouldn't be an indication to somebody, but I was so
00:38:20
demonically oppressed, and came to a moment where I cried out to
00:38:28
Jesus Christ. I mean, just like it was
00:38:30
gut-wrenching. It was my soul and not because I
00:38:33
knew him intellectually not because I had known him.
00:38:39
What? I didn't know him real and who
00:38:41
of him, but I don't really know him and my My soul, my spirit
00:38:44
new to cry out and I believe that was the Holy Spirit that
00:38:47
day nudging and drawing me in, but I didn't get it.
00:38:52
You know, that actually left me spiritually vulnerable because I
00:38:55
didn't understand what had happened because he definitely
00:38:57
showed up. I cried out to him and he showed
00:39:00
up and gave me peace and I know it was him something like, how
00:39:03
do you know it was just oh, I know and I'll tell you how I
00:39:07
know. Though.
00:39:09
I was spiritually vulnerable. I don't want to be a psychic
00:39:11
anymore after that. That's what I mean by
00:39:13
spiritually. Vulnerable.
00:39:14
Wait I don't know what just happened.
00:39:16
Jesus, I didn't know this Jesus or my life and now I don't want
00:39:21
to be a psychic, why not? I didn't know.
00:39:24
I didn't know the answers to these things and before the end
00:39:28
of that year so I was just about to turn 37.
00:39:31
And so the before the end of my 37th year, this will happen
00:39:34
within a year how God in his sovereignty arranged a
00:39:38
Everything along the way it was so miraculous.
00:39:42
I did go back to doing my readings.
00:39:44
I had stopped for a while. I went back and then a good
00:39:47
friend of mine came over for dinner, who I met in divination
00:39:50
class and she had been saved, and she's telling my husband and
00:39:54
I about Jesus and church and Mission class.
00:39:57
That sounds like right out of Harry Potter.
00:39:59
Yeah. It's where you're right.
00:40:01
It really does. Oh my goodness, I never thought
00:40:03
of that. Thanks.
00:40:04
Sorry. That I know you're fine and And
00:40:09
so, she came over for dinner and told us about all that stuff,
00:40:12
and I actually rejected her invitation to go to church.
00:40:16
And my husband said he would go with her and he did And he loved
00:40:21
it. And he was raving about it and
00:40:23
wanted me to go. And I said, no for four weeks
00:40:27
and that fourth week, which again, I attribute to the Holy
00:40:30
Spirit. It was one of those things.
00:40:32
Again, I don't know why, but I want to go to church today.
00:40:35
I want to go to that church with him today and I did and they're
00:40:43
singing it was something I wasn't used to because I was
00:40:46
raised culturally Catholic. So I was used to mass.
00:40:49
This was a, you know, nondenominational church and so
00:40:53
they're worshiping and their hands are up and there's music
00:40:56
and the words on the screen and what on Earth is happening on
00:40:58
the screen. There you go.
00:41:00
Alright, what's happening here? And Jesus save me.
00:41:05
I'm sorry. Jesus saved me was one of the
00:41:08
lyrics. And when I say when I sang that
00:41:12
lyric with everybody else, it was just, I was brought back in
00:41:18
a moment to that moment months prior when I cried out to him
00:41:25
and it was the confirmation, it was like in a second and in an
00:41:29
instant, I knew that that was him.
00:41:32
I knew that was him that day months before and I knew that
00:41:35
was him that day in that moment and that he set me free.
00:41:40
And that he saved me physically and spiritually.
00:41:43
And I was just so beyond moved and I was crying.
00:41:46
And the middle of this whole thing just crying and it was
00:41:50
just this, of course it was a burst of emotions but I never go
00:41:54
based on emotions when I got home from that church, that day,
00:41:58
the first thing I did was Google search.
00:42:01
What does the Bible say about psychic mediums?
00:42:03
Because I didn't have a Bible down there, a Bible had been in
00:42:06
my mom's house, all my life. I just never Cared about it.
00:42:10
This was the first time right after this moment, you know and
00:42:16
being saved and being filled with the Holy Spirit, he led me
00:42:18
right to the word of God. And the minute I saw God's
00:42:22
revelation, what he has revealed over and over and over again, in
00:42:25
his word, not to practice a consult psychics, mediums in the
00:42:30
word, medium in Deuteronomy, 18, 10 to 12 The conviction.
00:42:37
It just fell on me and I called my husband, he had gone to the
00:42:40
store and I said, I have to quit my job.
00:42:43
And that was that we made an appointment with the pastor of
00:42:46
that church and that was nine years ago.
00:42:48
I never looked back. so, what would, how would you describe if
00:42:55
you can the difference between having even though they were
00:43:02
relatively well-behaved demonic spirits in your life, versus
00:43:08
letting the holy spirit, guide your life, how would I explain
00:43:15
the difference between the two between the two, or how your
00:43:19
life is physically or Persona Life?
00:43:23
View worldview? Wow.
00:43:27
Yeah. If I could, if I could tell you
00:43:29
where they say complete 180, but that would, I guess that would
00:43:33
assume that I was there to start, and I wasn't so it just a
00:43:36
complete. Eat.
00:43:37
I know. I was giving myself a little
00:43:39
credit. They're a complete and utter
00:43:43
change. There is P.
00:43:46
I have peace. I have peace in my life.
00:43:48
Now, even when I go through trials, I have freedom that I
00:43:53
don't have to go seeking all the time from the demons that can't
00:43:59
provide, they can't fulfill your going to them for the
00:44:01
Fulfillment, you're going to them for things you want and
00:44:04
need and they in truth. That cannot deliver so you have
00:44:09
to keep going and going and going with Christ with the Holy
00:44:13
Spirit, how the Holy Spirit leads me and and all who will
00:44:19
Who be indwelled by him? You don't have that.
00:44:22
You have the Peace of Christ. You have the freedom rejoicing,
00:44:28
even in the midst of your trials.
00:44:31
That's something I've noticed a lot, just even being able to
00:44:33
Rejoice being able to smile today.
00:44:36
You know, we almost lost My mom a couple of times over the last
00:44:39
couple of years and now she has dementia and she's young and my
00:44:43
dad is struggling. And, you know, you know, the
00:44:46
regular ho-hum, we all have our issues and stuff but I've been
00:44:49
through a lot in the last nine years and God has never left me
00:44:54
or forsaken me, he's true to his word, his promises and I can
00:44:58
smile in my day and The hope, I think that without Christ,
00:45:05
you're always looking for Hope and that's why you're seeking
00:45:08
answers and instant gratification.
00:45:11
But with Christ, there's always hope and you feel that hope.
00:45:16
You know, it's rather amazing and of course being given, you
00:45:21
know, Wonderful sisters and brothers in Christ to lift up
00:45:25
that help encourage and pray for and with it's night and day,
00:45:31
your Have the answers to the questions actually, if I could
00:45:36
sum the whole thing up Ken, I think that would be a great way
00:45:39
to do it. You have the answers to the
00:45:40
questions that you were always seeking and demons can't answer.