Director and actor, Jeff Calentano joins Becoming Outlaws to discuss the premiere of the motion picture, 'The Hill.' The movie is based on the real life story of Rickey Hill who was born with degenerative disc disease and against all odds became a major league baseball player. Rickey Hill himself also joins this exciting episode. thehillmov.com
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Welcome to another episode of Becoming Outlaws.
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If this is your first time, welcome.
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If it's not your first time, welcome.
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Becoming Outlaws engages celebrities, scholars, and
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diverse voices in candid conversations about following
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Jesus. Defying societal norms and
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exploring profound and sometimes not so profound questions of
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faith, in this episode we're going to discuss a soon to be
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released film, The Hill. It stars Dennis Quaid, Colin
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Ford and others. Directed by Jeff Salitano.
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It's a true story about Ricky Hill, who as a child had a
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degenerative disc disease as well as a dream to play Major
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League Baseball. And those two things don't.
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We usually go together very well.
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Here's a sneak peek. Tagging.
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Father of the night. At that.
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Ricky hit. Oh
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Ricky, I've seen you out there swinging that stick even when
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you're suffering pain. But you can't play baseball.
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You're going to get rid. And you're going to wind up with
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an injury that you'll never get over that's going to give you a
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higher calling. But all I want to do is play.
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When I swing that bat, He did four homes in one game, so.
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You might be better than you are not healed.
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Bones are rapidly depleting. Then big miracle if you ever
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walk again. You seen this Major League
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trials? You're going to paralyze him.
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I don't need you feeling him full of false hope.
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He's my son, Wow, even the even the trailer
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leaves you with goosebumps. That is it.
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I've seen the film. It's really, really good.
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And what I didn't mention is we actually have it.
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Jeff and Ricky Hill with us here.
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Welcome guys. I got a question first for you,
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Ricky is so when I hit the age 40s or so, I was having a little
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bit of back pain, got it diagnosed and I had this phone
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call that scared me that says you have degenerative disc
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disease. I thought, Oh my goodness, what
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is happening? Well, come to find out.
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Everyone's discs age. They decline with time.
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What's the difference between what an aging adult would have
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and then what you had as a child where you had that have leg
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braces? Well, I really didn't have any
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disc, which is a big difference in disc disease.
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The the what I had was it was tied into my legs as well.
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But my legs when I was born were wrapped around one another,
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which created one problem and then the other problem it was
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went on up to the up to my my back and my spine, where I
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didn't have any. I was born with very little disc
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at the same time. My grandmother and my great
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grandmother had the same very thing.
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That put them in wheelchairs at a very young age. 6 year old man
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when you were How old, Rick? 17 wow.
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So with the ancestral history of that, what you had, what thrives
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somebody to want, I know kids have dreams.
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But to do what seems physically impossible, which in your case
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is to play Major League Baseball, when everything's
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against you doing that physically, what, what drives
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somebody to persevere past that, to mentally get past the
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barriers that they, they, they're feeling?
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Kind of like kind of like in the Bible where it says and the
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greatest one of all is love. I had the love of the game.
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And nothing could stop me from. When you have that love and that
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passion, it's not a dream you're going to, you're going to do it
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one way or the other. When you have that made-up in
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your mind, somehow you're going to make it happen.
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And this movie shows. Somehow I made it happen and I
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had help from a heavenly Father that.
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Help me make it happen. And that's the reason why this
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movie is even being made today is because of the help that I
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had. I didn't do this alone.
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And just what, what drew you to this movie?
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Well, I'll tell you, but I wanted to just talk about real
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quick one thing Ricky said at the end of the movie, which I
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can't give away what he does, which Dennis was blown away by.
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So I can't believe this kid did this.
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Ricky went through the struggle you see him going through in the
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movie, but then when he gets up there after the tragedy that
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happened right before the last hit, which I don't want to give
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away, but right when he got up there, he said he was, he had
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tears in his eyes and he was ready to quit.
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He really couldn't. He didn't have anything left.
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He had been, he had been dehing for both teams, you know, you
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know, designated hitter for two teams.
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He was. He went through that thing that
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happened. I don't want to tell you what it
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is. And then after that, he said he
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felt like a train hit him. He had nothing left, and
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suddenly something came over him inside of him that he wasn't
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ready for. It just came into him and he
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said everything changed. He said he didn't even really
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know where he was. He just knew that he could do
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what he had to do and he just stepped up that plate and that's
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when he carved the cross in the sand and steps into that,
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putting God before him. And when we were at Joel
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Osteen's Osteen's Lakewood Church a couple nights ago in
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Houston, screening the movie, the audience erupted over that
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moment because they related to it in such an honest way.
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So that I just want to add. But yes, going back to my
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journey on this movie. Is that what you were asking,
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Ken? Yeah.
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How did you get brought in or what?
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What made you want to be a part of this one?
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Well, it all, it all started when I read the script.
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I mean, my brother met Ricky in a lobby of a hotel accidentally.
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He was sitting there in another chair overhearing Ricky's
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conversation about how frustrated he was trying to find
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the right director and the right people for this movie.
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And my brother leaned over afterwards and said sorry for
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eavesdropping, Sir, but I have found your director and Ricky
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kind of was, you know, suspect and called me that night.
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My brother forced him to get on the call on the phone and call
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me. And Ricky sent me the script.
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And from the moment I read the script, it was an incredible
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story that it just, it got inside of me in a way that just
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like Ricky said, what happened to him?
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With he played five seasons for the Montreal Expos and then got
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cut because they found out about his.
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He hid this degenerative spinal disease from everybody.
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They didn't know about it. And when they found out, they
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cut it. And his career was over.
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And he was very upset and he said why?
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Why did this happen? Why did God take this away from
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me? And then today he knows why
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because he was meant to tell this story to inspire everyone.
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He was put on earth for this and I was put on earth to make this
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movie. It's same thing happened to me.
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17 years later I got the movie made.
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Originally we were in Utah making this movie with another
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group of people that fell through.
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Then the financing came together again.
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I was in Oklahoma, in offices, scouted all the locations, was
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two weeks away from shooting hired Dennis Quaid.
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That was six years ago. That fell apart.
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They bought real estate instead. The investors Dennis loved the
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movie so much, said Don't worry about paying me.
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I'm on this movie for life. I love this story.
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It's the most incredible story I've read, I think in my life,
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and definitely one of the harder roles I've ever had to play
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because James Hill was a complicated man and he loved the
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faith element of it. I loved everything about it, but
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it it it goes further than that. I can't explain Ken why I got so
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obsessed with this movie, but I think it was the the the fact
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that the story was so compelling.
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And then I felt it appealed to everybody and I felt that I want
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to make a movie. Like Seabiscuit, you know,
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Seabiscuit, That horse just got to me.
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And I love. That's one of my favorite movies
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of all time. Field of Dreams is another one.
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The natural, all those movies about people who did the
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impossible or animals that did the impossible.
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This movie resonated with me in that way.
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And I want to make a movie that everybody could go see every
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family member, every age and nobody I mean.
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What I hate about movies that try to get all the family
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members in there, they're they're milquetoast.
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They're kind of, they're kind of washed out.
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And the stories are like Hallmark movies.
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I didn't want to make that. I wanted to get the writer of
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Rudy Angelo Piso on and write a big, epic, sweeping story that
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would, you know, last for years and years and years.
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And there was a man at the Lakewood Church when we screened
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the movie, you came up to me after we were taking photographs
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of people. And he shook my hand.
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He had tears in his eyes and he said Jeff.
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I cannot tell you what this movie did to me.
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He said there's three kinds of movies.
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He was very intelligent guy. He said.
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There's the movie that you never want to see and you never hear
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about. There's the movie that you see
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and you never want to see again. And then there's a movie that
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you want to see over and over and over again, and this is that
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movie, he says. I think this movie is going to
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last forever. And that's kind of I think what
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happened to me from reading the script the first time.
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I think it just got inside me. And it was my destiny to tell
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this story because I never gave up on it like Ricky, Ricky never
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gave up, you know, Ricky told Red Murph.
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I'm the hardest hitter you're ever going to see.
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I'm the best hitter you're ever going to see.
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And when I met Ricky, I after he told me that I was trying to
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figure out how to convince him I was the guy.
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And I walked up to him. And when I met him again in
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Texas and I shook his hand and I said, Ricky, I'm the best hitter
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you're ever going to find for this movie.
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That was it. Yeah.
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And so. Yeah.
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You mentioned a few movies there, So Field of Dreams, it
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had an extra element besides a baseball movie of having the
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father son element, which added a lot.
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And then the natural didn't have that, but it had that naturally
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born gift somebody has and there's an appeal to that.
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The hill has the father Son, element.
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The natural where somebody's gifted with something and then
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it adds a spiritual element of faith to it, which it's like the
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best of all of those worlds come together I think.
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Yeah. And I was pleasantly surprised.
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And I'm not trying to put down a lot of faith-based movies, but
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sometimes they're at a lower quality or it's kind of
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predictable and that somebody gets involved in something they
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shouldn't, that you have family praying for them and they end up
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at a church. Alter And then it's the end of
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the movie and everyone's happy. This wasn't blatantly that.
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You could go into it, not really realize it was a spiritual
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movie, but you would feel spiritually moved.
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To me it's a a movie about, well, I think your theme of it
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is that never give up, right? Never give up.
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And you know that is the theme and every boy is trying to find
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the love of his father. Could, could.
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See this movie and figure a way out, a way to come together.
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To me, people say, what is this movie about Jeff?
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Is it a baseball movie? Is a sports drama.
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No, I didn't make a sports drama.
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I made a film about a family coming together and a boy trying
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to find the love of his father. And in the end he does through
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his unbelievable gift and faith, you know, And that's that's what
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I made. Or I set out to make anyway and
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tried to make. Yeah, Ricky, in the portrayal of
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your dad. It comes across as kind of the
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old school, not just a Baptist minister with his principals, it
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has that, but the old school disciplinarian that the father
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you know is a disciplinarian. He provides and from a kids
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perspective that sometimes is all you see until you're older
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and you look back and then you see the love that was in the
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discipline. So I'm curious to.
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There was a Dennis Quaid plays, a very loving but stern father,
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but the sternness comes from wanting the best for you.
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Is that a perspective you found later in life, looking back at
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your childhood? Or were you able to see that?
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Was it more of a struggle with a dad that was kind of holding you
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back from your dreams, even if he thought it was the best for
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you? No, I was.
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I was very disciplined by him. And what he said goes, it didn't
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matter what it was whatever he said I would do.
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And but however, when he realized that that, you know, he
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saw me hitting rocks all the time and with a stick because we
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couldn't afford a baseball or a glove or anything.
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To have to do with the sport alone, but I I gained a lot of
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talent through going through that.
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Even being handicapped, I gained a lot of talent of hitting a
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small rock with a small stick and.
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He was very poor, so he hit 2000 rocks a day on a railroad track
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with his. Brother, Yeah, I did.
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I did. I hit a couple thousand, maybe
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more all day long. And the movie Rocky.
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Yeah, pretty much, Pretty much, yeah.
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There was as far as stopping. There was no stopping but is.
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But even with my father I had to let him know that that I wanted
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to make a choice, my own choice of what I wanted to do with my
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life, whether I wanted to be in the ministry or if I wanted to
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play baseball. And he actually understood.
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And we kind of came to terms terms that way and.
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He supported me. Every night that I played
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baseball, he would come into the room, check on me to make sure
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I'm okay and make sure that how I did always checked on me,
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which was really, really a great thing.
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Even though I wasn't behind the pulpit, you know, I was behind
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the OR, I was beside a plate, a baseball plate, you know, a
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plate. And so, yeah, he it, it was in
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the beginning. Yes, he was.
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He was tough. But it got a lot easier when I
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was able to do both. Right.
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And growing up, you'd have been called, what's a PK, right?
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A preacher's kid, right? But Even so, growing up in
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church, even if your dad's not a master, it's easy to learn the
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Christian faith what it is, but not necessarily have it.
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When was the point in your life? Or do you have a moment or point
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in your life where? Your Christian faith became your
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own, and not just something you had been.
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Taught I was born again at 7 years old.
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I accepted Christ, and from that time on I thought that I was,
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yeah, I was wanting to be in the ministry, but wanting in the
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ministry does not mean you're called to be in the ministry.
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A lot of people go into the ministry maybe even today's
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times in in these world for a business.
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I'm not. I wasn't in this for business
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because I believe you have to be called by Christ in order to be
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in the business of. I say business.
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It's not a business if for a love, for the love, and I wasn't
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called into the ministry. I was called to play baseball
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and minister through baseball. Right.
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And Jeff had mentioned that kind of a romantic moment in the
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movie, but at that point in your life during this baseball game
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where you had to brush yourself off and keep going without any
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energy of your own. He turned it in.
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Something to the effect of something came over you or in
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you. I'm going to assume that was
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more than adrenaline. No, it's called Holy Spirit.
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Explain that the people who don't know what are those
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moments like? They're incredible, you know,
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Like just like this Friday night when we were at Joel Olsteen's.
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The Holy Spirit was throughout that house, rocking, that whole,
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rocking that whole church apart. And you don't find them very
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often. But for the very first time, I
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got to witness the Holy Spirit when I was actually 18 years old
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and I didn't even know what really the Holy Spirit was.
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I knew what salvation was, but not the Holy Spirit and.
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The other night when we were at the at the church at Lakewood
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Church. Yeah, at Lakewood Church.
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I got to see the Holy Spirit I'm talking about on Turbo.
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I mean, if people were in that room who were atheists, they
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would have felt it. There's no doubt it wasn't
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anything to do with anything other than it was real.
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I I I can't. You can't even imagine.
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I mean, I've been making movies for 40 years.
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I've been in millions of screenings.
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I've seen incredible movies that people loved and walked out of
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elated. I've never seen anything do
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something to an audience like this did.
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And that's not because it's my movie.
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I could care less. I'm telling you the truth.
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It Ricky was gone emotionally. He couldn't even talk.
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I couldn't get out of my seat because people were just the
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energy in the room. I said to Jacqueline, who put
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the whole thing on, which is Joel Steen's sisterinlaw.
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I said holy smokes, like, what is going on in that room in
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there? She said.
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It's pretty intense, isn't it? I said I've never felt anything
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like that in my life, you know? And that's what happened to
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Ricky right before that last hit in the film.
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Something got in him and he knows what it is.
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But at the time, he didn't know he he felt it, but he didn't.
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He was so beat up that he felt this whole different energy
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coming to him, and he stood up and he did the impossible and
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then later he knew what it was. You know, No question.
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What's your thought on it seems like the industry is, I mean
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with surprisingly hit shows like the Chosen or the movie The
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Jesus Revolution now the sound of freedom that are rising up
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and. Being competitive, if not out
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selling at the box office, major blockbusters, that's there
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something going on? Yeah, absolutely.
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To me, this movie seems to not just go along with that, but
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like go to the next level because it was a briar Cliff.
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That's not that's not a small potatoes, there's.
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Some underground, a little company we never heard of.
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That's big time. Ricky is ours.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Pop down a little bit.
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Ricky with Dennis Quaid, did you have a part in vetting actors or
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how involved were you in this? Did you when actors were picked,
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did you choose them? Did Jeff choose them?
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Yeah, Jeff, Jeff tells them. Not me.
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You know, I was born to swing a bat.
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I wasn't born to pick a. Crew to make my family.
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But yeah, Jeff tells all them he did.
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He did all that direction. I wouldn't.
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I wouldn't have a clue who would.
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Who would play My father, of course.
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He did it all. Ken, you said.
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You said a very interesting thing a minute ago about all
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these movies that are winning at the box office.
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I think one of the main reasons is because the the world is so
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upside down and a mess that people are dying to get out of
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their house and go see something that makes them feel good and
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just makes them, makes them feel like they did, you know, when
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they were kids. And I think that this movie does
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that. I think that's why it's going to
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win and I hope and pray it does because I know it is.
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Actually. I don't have any doubts anymore
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because I think people that I've talked to that leave their house
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and see it, even if they're not having a struggle in life, they
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get something out of this movie that they weren't expecting.
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They come out feeling. I mean, you know, it's kind of a
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weird thing to say, but I just want people to walk out of the
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theater like I do, high, just high on the inspiration this
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movie delivers to them. That's how I feel every time I
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see it. It's so weird to be a director.
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I tell people, look, you read the script 1000 times.
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Then you go and you break it down and you try to get it made.
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You have to pitch the story to investors until you find the
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right one. You do it till you're purple,
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Then you, then you make the movie and you have to shoot it.
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Then you have to edit it. Then you have to do the sound.
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And every time you do sound and effects and music you have to
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watch it. I've seen the movie 1000 times
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and every movie I have ever made-up until this day, I except
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for the hill. I say at the end of the day,
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when you get the film done, you screen it in the sound house to
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do a quality control check. And that's usually the last time
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I ever see it or want to see it until maybe I see it with my
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cast and crew. That's the highlight because
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you're seeing it with the beautiful people you made it
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with. And then I might go to the
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theater opening night just to see the action reaction in the
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audience and see if I hit a home run or not.
00:24:48
But this movie, I can't stop watching it.
00:24:51
I've seen it. I'm going to.
00:24:52
I told Ricky I'm going to see this thing four more times in
00:24:55
the next two weeks at screenings and I will not walk out of the
00:24:59
theater because every one of them means something to me.
00:25:02
Like one of them is a little mini premiere for the investors.
00:25:05
I want to see how that audience likes it.
00:25:08
The other one is a critics one. I want to see how they feel in
00:25:13
the room and the temperature. Another one is our little mini
00:25:15
premiere in Augusta, you know? And then the other one is me
00:25:19
going to opening night with my friends in in Laguna Beach, CA
00:25:23
on the 25th of August. When it opens, I'm going to
00:25:26
watch all of those. I I I say to myself, well, I'll
00:25:28
go with my friends on the 25th and I'll walk outside and have a
00:25:31
drink and I'll have a Coke or something.
00:25:33
I'll go back in after it's over and and see my friends.
00:25:36
No, I will sit there and watch the reactions of the audience.
00:25:40
Yeah, because I just want to see what they feel throughout the
00:25:43
movie. When I played the trailer
00:25:45
earlier, I could see both of you in queue.
00:25:48
And you would think you'd be kind of tuned out as you see it.
00:25:51
Both of you were intently watching the trailer, the full 2
00:25:54
minutes, and Jeff, you were even smiling by the end, as if that
00:25:57
was the first time you watched it.
00:26:00
And you have any interviews like this?
00:26:01
I've done? Sure.
00:26:02
Like like a ton. And there's not one moment when
00:26:06
I talk to you about this movie. Do I feel like I did it 50 times
00:26:10
before? Yeah, I just feel like it's the
00:26:12
first time I've done it because there's some spirit guide in
00:26:16
this movie that we all know who that what that is.
00:26:18
It's it's a higher power that we can't describe.
00:26:22
There's no description needed. It's just in us.
00:26:25
Do you have any concern as a successful actor and Hollywood
00:26:29
director to be involved in? I call it faith-based movie, you
00:26:37
know, inspirational movie. Yeah, going in that genre as far
00:26:42
as. Subtle Hollywood blacklisting or
00:26:47
getting pushed to the corner by doing these kinds of Is that a
00:26:51
real thing or is that any concern of yours?
00:26:54
Not at all. Everybody in Hollywood that I
00:26:56
know that knows me you know on every every every single kind of
00:27:00
walk of life crew on up to executives.
00:27:04
They all I have a really good relationship with them.
00:27:06
They know that I I who I am and what I'm about and I've sent the
00:27:12
film to a lot of them that are non Christian people who are the
00:27:15
Hollywood people you're talking about and they all love the
00:27:18
movie because I did not make a faith movie.
00:27:21
I made a movie for the mainstream.
00:27:23
I mean as as Briarcliff said, Tom Ortenberg, you hit a movie
00:27:27
straight down Main Street. This is for every family all
00:27:30
over the world. If you're an atheist, you'll
00:27:32
love this movie. Like I said, if you're if you're
00:27:34
a Christian, you'll love this movie.
00:27:35
That's what I wanted to set out to make because I wanted the non
00:27:38
believers to get something out of it they weren't expecting
00:27:41
without hitting them over the head.
00:27:42
I mean I hate those kind of movies.
00:27:44
What I my favorite kind of movies like I said are Field of
00:27:46
Dreams that have the faith element in it.
00:27:48
Rudy had that in it. Hoosiers had that in it, but it
00:27:53
but it was a movie everybody could go see and that's the kind
00:27:57
of movies I make. I don't think I'd ever make a
00:27:58
faith movie per se like you described earlier.
00:28:02
The ones where everybody ends up at the in front of the the altar
00:28:06
at the end and it's just not my my kind of thing.
00:28:09
I like movies that are subtle in in their messages and things
00:28:12
like that. I'm not worried about it at all.
00:28:15
I think it's going to go the opposite.
00:28:17
I think everybody's going to love it.
00:28:18
Matter of fact, I just got worried the other day that the
00:28:21
Directors Guild is going to screen it for on this 23rd of
00:28:26
September. They're going to have a private
00:28:28
screening at for the Directors Guild in New York and LA at the
00:28:30
same time. So they like it.
00:28:34
Yeah, it it's. When you make the specifically
00:28:38
faith-based, it ends up being a faith-based audience.
00:28:40
Seems like it's a very narrow group of people.
00:28:43
You give them kind of what they want.
00:28:44
This one, it felt like to me, kind of like when I was younger,
00:28:48
what the Disney movies felt like.
00:28:51
They weren't well, they didn't have agendas.
00:28:54
They were just like whether they were based on true stories or
00:28:57
not inspiring. They uplift you, they're fun,
00:29:01
and it just seems like a, I mean, there's kind of the
00:29:04
spiritual movement I mentioned with.
00:29:06
The faith-based movies recently, but just being real, telling
00:29:10
real stories of inspiration and in this case someone with faith,
00:29:16
Ricky and and overcoming challenges in their life is what
00:29:20
people need. Well listen, like I love the
00:29:23
story, whether it was faith-based or not.
00:29:25
Bottom line, the problem that happened, not the problem, but I
00:29:27
mean the thing that is happening is that Ricky's father was a
00:29:31
pastor. Dennis plays his father, his
00:29:33
father and it's a backdrop. It's like the it's like the
00:29:37
fabric of the movie. He's a pastor and Ricky could
00:29:41
recite the Bible the age of eight and had a gift.
00:29:43
So ultimately he was going to be a pastor in his father's eyes.
00:29:47
But as he grew up, he he had this ability to put up a thing
00:29:52
with a stick and a ball together and and have hand eye
00:29:55
coordination that's like amazing.
00:29:58
And so that just transitioned him into baseball.
00:30:01
But what attracted me to the movie, number one, was the
00:30:04
family element, the fact that this family is struggling.
00:30:08
They're so poor fighting everything that every family
00:30:11
fights. It was a universal story to me.
00:30:13
That's what got me excited about it.
00:30:15
When you really said something, Ken, everything I try to do in
00:30:18
this movie, I feel like I achieved watching it with that
00:30:22
audience of the night because they reacted to every little
00:30:24
thing that I nurtured in it. But one thing I always kept
00:30:27
saying to my my director of photography and the crew, I said
00:30:30
the word for this movie is magic, magic, the Magic Kingdom.
00:30:33
Think the Magic Kingdom, Disney. I want to make a Disney film and
00:30:37
that is so not me, you guys. I'm, I've made action movies and
00:30:40
stuff. Like I want to make a Disney
00:30:42
film like the old ones, not the new ones.
00:30:44
I want to make a movie like Seabiscuit.
00:30:48
Seabiscuit is one of my favorite films because that horse went
00:30:51
through so much and wanted to win so badly and it never gave
00:30:55
up even with all the injuries. And in the end it won.
00:30:58
To me, Ricky was Seabiscuit. It was just revert.
00:31:02
It was just transferred into a man.
00:31:04
Ricky, before I let you guys go and this one is personal, it's
00:31:09
advice from you as a lifelong believer and someone who knows
00:31:14
scripture, faith and wisdom. And it has to go along with the
00:31:20
movie in that I feel like if you watch the movie and the point is
00:31:24
for inspiration, that if you personally, everyone personally
00:31:27
is going through something and you can watch a movie like that
00:31:31
and you can come out and go, well, it's just a movie.
00:31:33
But I feel a little better about my situation.
00:31:37
I feel like I have a little more hope in it than before I went
00:31:40
in, Even if I've had knowledge. God is good, everything works
00:31:45
out, you know, in the end. But that gave me a moment of
00:31:50
inspiration, so I'll give you a specific without naming names.
00:31:54
I have a friend I was just communicating with yesterday.
00:31:57
Older in life, not a child wearing braces.
00:32:02
What advice would you give somebody who's going through
00:32:07
life challenge at an older age, not old enough to be retiring,
00:32:12
but in a low physical health position that isn't looking
00:32:17
good? Not terminal, but like man, I
00:32:21
have 20 or 30 more years to live and as a believer knows all the
00:32:26
right things, the right verse. But having a hard time mentally
00:32:29
getting past life is just hard right now.
00:32:33
I don't feel like crying. I guess K what would I, what
00:32:43
would I say? Yeah.
00:32:45
I would, I would say, like I said this about two hours ago.
00:32:53
I walked into a room and there's a lot of people in there with
00:32:58
different injuries and there's always someone worse than you.
00:33:05
There's always someone out there that's involved in a headon
00:33:10
collision in life. There's always someone out there
00:33:14
that. Either falls off a building and
00:33:17
paralyzed for life. There's always someone that's
00:33:21
worse than you are. There was always someone out
00:33:24
there that was worse than me. And I took what I had and I
00:33:31
tried to take what was wrong and try to make it right.
00:33:35
And withstain all the because there's a lot more to this than
00:33:40
you than you would ever believe if I told you my whole story.
00:33:45
But I would say there's always someone out there that's worse
00:33:50
than you, I can promise you. And this person that's having
00:33:53
them having their problems, they have to overlook those, pray
00:33:58
their way through it and trust in God.
00:34:00
Either way, that and they have to really dig down deep in their
00:34:04
heart and believe it, that God can do it alone for them or he
00:34:12
won't. And so I will say this much,
00:34:16
like I said, you just look at you look to him and he'll answer
00:34:23
the prayer one way or the other. But like I said, there's always
00:34:28
someone that's got it tougher than you do.
00:34:34
Right. All right.
00:34:35
Thank you for that. And thank you, Rick, for all the
00:34:39
perseverance to get your story out there.
00:34:41
It's going to affect millions. And thanks, Jeff, for making the
00:34:44
film. Thank you, Ken.
00:34:46
I got to tell you, it's one of my favorite interviews ever.
00:34:49
Really. Yeah.
00:34:50
You just really got, you got a lot of the stuff, the movie you
00:34:54
said, things that other people have said, and they're all,
00:34:56
they've all been fantastic interviews and great people.
00:34:59
But you kind of summed it all up in a very, like, with a lot of
00:35:02
wisdom in a very concise way. I just loved it.
00:35:06
I appreciate that. Right.
00:35:08
That's great. I wish you good luck with your
00:35:10
film, but I don't think you need it.
00:35:12
Thank you, man. Thank you so much.
00:35:16
Gathered among the outlaws, he said.
00:35:18
Come follow me people from all walks, and I've since have been
00:35:23
becoming outlaws.