Jennifer is the founder of Deep Believer: The Normalcy and of Miracles, Signs, and Wonders, as well as the author of, 'I Saw God Last Night.'
"Millions of people around the world, along with spiritual leaders, have been misled that God is dead or that divine, supernatural encounters are nothing other than nonsense and lies. Many of which discourage those who believe in them or often won’t believe unless it happens to them also. More times than not, experience stomps philosophy." Jennifer Bagsaschi
Website: https://www.DeepBeliever.com
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Those that are coming from the perspective of Dreams visions
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and things don't happen. Today, they happened with the
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clothes of the Apostles and things like that.
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Where do we get in Scripture? A scriptural Foundation.
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Before we tell the stories that these things are for believers
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today and they do happen. Well, one the Bible doesn't say
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it stopped. There was this one woman who I
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knew she was a prior Jehovah's Witness and I'm going to get to
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that in a minute but she was a prior Jehovah's Witness who gave
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her life to Jesus Christ. But here's what happens when you
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and anybody who is in a cult. I like Jehovah's Witness and
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Mormonism and things like that. What happened is is that there
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for lack of better words, they are indoctrinated.
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And a lot of people are even indoctrinated with
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denominations, where it's hard for people to break away from
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what they, what their Foundation had been in religiosity.
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So, heard thing was speaking in tongues miracles signs wonders,
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no longer happened because she Eve's it's been to say she
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realized. So I would ask is will my so why
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do you believe this a mind you? This woman was dying of cancer.
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So when she said this, I said, why do you believe this?
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And she couldn't understand couldn't articulate why?
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So it took her about two weeks to come back to me.
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She came back to me and she said, well here, and I think
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it's First Corinthians, the love chapter, I'm pretty sure this
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loved to his Committee. In three, it talks about in
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tongues will cease, Yes, it will but you know is going to cease
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when Jesus comes infant, do that comes for the Millennium rain,
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you won't need that anymore, but as of right now, you do need
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that. So so there's for the scripture
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and you're referencing. So, the scripture, you're
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referencing says, they will all cease when we see him face to
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face. Exactly.
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And we have not seen him face to face, right?
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So it continues. Yeah.
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And then acts tax talks about Daughters will prophesy your
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young men, dream dreams, this kind of thing, right?
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So it's scripturally sound. Exactly.
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And then you even see more in the Old Testament where it says,
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how the Lord will speak to you in dreams, how he'll give you
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dreams in a middle of the night when you're, when you're, when
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you're conscious is more aware, and he can tell you things more
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than likely, because we're so occupied with life.
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And then, even when you talk about Kings, Solomon.
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He became wise through a dream, the Lord asked him literally
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through a dream. What do you want?
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God was so impressed with him, he didn't ask for money Fame.
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Any of that he just asked for wisdom and through that dream
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alone, he became the wisest man who ever lived.
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So these are dreams are so important and miracles still
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happen today. I mean, we all experienced
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Miracles, people, sometimes say, I haven't experienced some
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miracle, I haven't seen it. Even you have Have the religious
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people mind you the non-religious people.
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I have found believe more in the Supernatural, then the religious
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people can you believe that? So, but yeah, I mean, it still
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happens today and even it's in times when we do have a
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realized, as a miracle, like, you have no idea what God does.
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When you are unaware of certain instances, save you walking down
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a street and there's like some somebody who's out to say Rob
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someone and for Reason you look down in your pocket, to check
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some more, check your phone and because of your reaction they
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skipped over you and got somebody else.
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Those are Miracles. You know, look God just works in
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so many ways. We just need to pay attention.
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We're so occupied but no. Absolutely.
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According to scripture, this has not failed yet.
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This is not stopped yet and it truly is the work of the enemy
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because if you stop believing that God works today, he becomes
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like all the other false gods in the world.
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And every last one who is not What Jesus Christ is false is
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false. So he they they're basically
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making God or you can't make him less than what he is.
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But in their mind, they make him less than what he is.
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So they're basically saying God does not do this.
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God does not do that. God does not do this but who are
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you to question? God, who are we?
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To even say, God does not. He is omnipotent.
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He's so powerful. There's no limitations to what
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he can do and when you bring down that wall, that's when
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you'll begin to see. Miracle signs wonders in your
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life and when you truly surrender, surrender your life
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to Jesus. So yeah.
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So when what's kind of the first maybe the first time you
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remember, something you thought was not more than a coincidence
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and it could have been God, but some kind of something divine.
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Okay, so this, it was cute. So this was cute.
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I was, and this is what I learned a lot.
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I feel like I was a wise, little girl.
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So my grandmother, she had this necklace.
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She loved Jesus so much, and she had this necklace that she had
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given to me. And in the necklace, it was a, I
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don't know, maybe it was like an oval shape or gold necklace.
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And if he were to look inside, you can see the Lord's Prayer.
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The whole Lord's Prayer. In size.
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The TDU picture, I do the little lens and you can see the Lord's
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Prayer. She Had given it to me and three
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days later. It was gone and I said to
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myself, oh my oh my it was a cross, I'm sorry, was a cross
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with a little circle, the middle and I said, oh my goodness.
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And I had to be about 10 or 11 years old.
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So back then we walked everywhere, we walk to church,
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we walked in and it was pretty safe.
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So I walked to church one day and I was so excited because I
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said this disappeared and in my mind, I'm thinking because Jesus
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got off the cross three days later.
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So, this is my thinking, As a ten-year-old girl you know, my
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grandma gave it to me this day three days later on the cross.
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It was gone. So I'm like okay so you know
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this is I thought it was a miracle.
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So I showed that women at church, the the women who are
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high up at a church and they were so sweet and mind you like
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the women at the church were phenomenal.
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They said oh honey. Oh Jenny.
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I don't think this what that means.
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I don't think so. And you couldn't tell me.
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Otherwise, this is so they told me this and I said, no, I think
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it is. And they said, okay, whatever
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believe what? You want.
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And from that instance, because I believed my belief grew more
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and more and more, but that's when I realized the truth about
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how you have to be careful one who you say things too.
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Because the Bible says not to cast your pearls upon swine.
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And then to is that church folks, I love this at 10 years
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old, be careful of church folks, and I know this is getting a
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little deep, but there's one thing to be A born-again
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believer in Jesus Christ, Living the Life and a church folk.
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So what does the church folks church?
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Folks are considered those whose go to church Sunday, do what
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they need to do and then live the rest of their life, whatever
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they want until the next Sunday or those who are even active in
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a church, their whole life as a church, but they don't live the
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life. So it's one that you can go to
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church. All you want, you can be there,
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be active, be Usher, be secretary, be whatever you want,
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but you need in. This is why God says to go out.
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All the world preach the gospel because if you're in a church,
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the whole entire time, you are not doing much at all, unless
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that's your occupation, and that's what you do.
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But I learned that church folks will often still your joy and
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still your faith because they are not there, because they are
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not growing. And I even had times where I had
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to for lack of better words. I had to disconnect myself from
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those people who are professing Christians, very nice people,
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but every time I got around them, My faith would diminish
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Inch by Inch by Inch by Inch and I realize it's the spirits desk
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with them because they don't have the belief that I believe
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and because I believe all these Supernatural experiences
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happened to me. I truly know for sure.
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It's because I didn't put caps and limitations on God.
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So, the first time, they answer your question.
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The first time that I really experienced.
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Something of the supernatural was when I had my little
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necklace and the Lord's Prayer disappeared on the cross.
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I don't know. Yeah.
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Yeah, what you're talking about? I grew up in as well where I
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call it Church vulture and I mean, it's better to be in
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church than out of church, but it's a Wednesday night.
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It was Sundays, it warnings, it was Sunday, evenings, all the
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activities, all the friends were based around church or church
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people and you can only never get enough of scripture, but
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it's supposed to feed an inner spirit for her power in service,
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but it ends up being an Louis life of Bible study.
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And do's and don'ts. And you get trapped in this
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religious. Cycle of a separated between
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secular and sacred, that I don't think should be there because
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you're supposed to live and walk in the spirit.
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And you can't, if you never Like you're saying her out in the
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world to do it. You're never a light in the
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darkness. You're a bunch of Lights, just
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lighting each other well, and I think that goes dim, you know,
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exactly, but it becomes lifeless.
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And from what I see from the New Testament, Paul's writings, is
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that search is supposed to be were Believers one, and it's
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where the gifts where the teachers are where you have star
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anything doing. Courage, build make you strong
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enough to go back in for the six days a week.
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Ode into a dark world and do something meaningful.
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Not a place of Refuge in the high, except in those times, in
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life, where you who need a refuge, but you know what I
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mean? It's it's like, don't forget to
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gather together because there's important things there, but it's
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turned into, you can't leave it. Almost becomes called tuition
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that that Christian Community becomes soaked.
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I hate that. I can't go out with secular
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friends I can. Secular this stand.
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And how else would you reach them?
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If you don't look out for that looks like they called Jesus a
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drunkard and all these things because he hung out with the
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center. So that's a religious spirit
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that, you know, he was just mentioning.
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So, what with far as experiences go, there's a part of me that
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doesn't let even though I started a podcaster and divine
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encounters. So I'm being hypocritical here
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but there's a part of me that doesn't like to focus on that
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because that is You can lead people just into looking for
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that and then that's where their faith is.
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However, priced attracted people and it added validity to his
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word and testimony. That even the critics said you
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must be from God, because nobody else could do these things which
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were signs and wonders. Divine Encounters of sorts.
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So it's a balance. Right.
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I mean as far as You can have people not come the truth faith,
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because of their searching for the next Miracle or Divine
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thing. But what in your life, what
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other experience has brought you to, where you're at, what you're
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doing now? Okay, well, one to respond to
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what you said, I totally. Totally agree.
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This is why the supernatural life is supposed to be a
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lifestyle. So super, for instance, so when
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you talk about miracles question for you can, would you Rather
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have Miracles or blessings. The me there.
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One of the same. Right?
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I don't know. I feel like it's a trick
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question. No.
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Oh, okay. So so miracles.
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Happen in instances where you need survival.
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You need, you just need your at a dire space where the only
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thing that can save you is a miracle.
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But then when you have blessings, your costly walking
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in a day after day, after day, we're good is happening to you.
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The Lord's hand is on everything you're doing but so me
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personally I would rather have blessings and miracles.
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We need a miracle In times where it's Hardware times where
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there's nothing else that can change it unless a move of God.
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So that's the difference. So so I believe that we need
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both but it needs to be a lifestyle where we walk in the
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Supernatural where it's not just turns on turns off turns on
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turns off because we are supernatural beings because I
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mean we are spirit and we have a soul.
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So those are Supernatural things that these are active and then.
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So let's see. Other Other other things that a
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supernatural life. Okay.
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So I think you've read this in the first part of my book and
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this was kind of the Inception of how I started my journey with
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the Lord and that was a demon-possessed person in the
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church. Do you remember that part?
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Can I do. Okay, so we have come from a
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Baptist Church by father was Baptist and, you know, they
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didn't believe in miracles signs and wonders or They didn't know
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what to do. If a demon possessed, demon
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possessed, person who came in the church, they probably call
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the police, my mother. She says, okay, she tells my
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dad, she's like, okay, I love you very much because they're
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both both ministers, but she said, I have to have to go to
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church where I can grow because I know that I'm missing out on
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some things. My father said, okay, sure, it's
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fine. You can do that.
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So we go to a Pentecostal church and I never been to Pentecostal
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Church before, and I always believed in God, because of my
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Parents and I always loved Jesus very much, but I never saw the
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works and the acts of God. And so I went to this church
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that I could remember, until we were worshiping.
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It was a small Church, probably Church of 30 people and we were
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in a second story of another church.
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So it was a beautiful Stone Church in Philadelphia.
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And on top, we rented the upstairs and we had a room where
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we had the services. I'm sorry.
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So when we had the services are they were always Worship new
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worship heart and they will worship Him long and they will
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worship loud. So there is, this is the first
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time I went to this church, and as they worship, a woman started
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to convulse and she began to shake.
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And the next thing I know they're telling all the kids to
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face the wall face, the wall face the wall, and like, why are
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they telling us that they, I don't want to face the wall, but
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I see what's going on. Absolute her tape it for me as a
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kid, you know. So so I'm facing the Wall.
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And I hear the pastor. She runs off the stage and lays
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hands on this woman and the name of Jesus.
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Come out of her, come out of her, come out of her and I had
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never seen anything like that ever in my life.
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And then, as the years progressed, it was another girl,
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I mentioned, I think in the first chapter of my book, I
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think she was a 17 year old girl, and I was younger than
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most of the teenagers there. I was about, probably 13 years
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old. And this young girl comes in she
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was I don't know what her lifestyle was, but you could
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tell it was a rough life sweetheart, you know, Sweet
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Soul, but you could tell she was having a hard life.
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So when the pastor asked, whoever would like to give their
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life to Jesus, come forward, she came forward.
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But as she came forward, she begun to run.
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And when I said, she runs she darted for the exit that they
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just part of this, is that off of that door was a balcony.
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And she tried to dive off, literally like that.
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The new wasn't hers of spirits in her, try to kill her.
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But thank God. There were two male Usher's by
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the door of who slammed the door right away and they held her not
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forcefully just held her. So she wouldn't try to
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forcefully, open a door. The Pastor said, bring her to
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me, bring her to me now, and she began to pray over her.
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She said, bring me joy of bringing oil.
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They brought her the oil and she began to speak to the spirit
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inside of her, and she began to command the spirit to come out
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of her, because his girl wanted Jesus.
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She wanted Jesus, but she didn't have control because he's demons
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have possessed her body. And as she prayed over her, I
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heard this woman, this young lady, I want Jesus, I want to
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see Ben again to cry and this girl was free and I never saw
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anything like this before. I mean this woman she was her
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face was distorted. I just never saw anything like
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that before, but she come out she had come out of it and when
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she came out of it as she was free, she was happy saw new
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lighter on her she even glue. So the power of God I saw the
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power of God and my sister my older sister who's about four
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years old. Her than me.
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She said you cannot look at that and say there is no God, right?
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Because it God can take something like that out of out
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of a human being. I mean, you can't Jones net.
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Yeah, you mentioned Corinthians before we're talking about the
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gifts of the Spirit, you know, Paul said that what church
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should be is for believers in when unbelievers come in, The
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Experience they have they should fall on their faces or knees and
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say God is really in this place and that's not the experience.
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We would have in most churches today, especially in America.
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Yeah, hello America. Yeah, so I kind of defined
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things as I go along because a lot of listeners aren't Well,
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versed in the denominations or even Christian.
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So, when you mention Pentecostalism finding that, as
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a Christian denomination that does believe in, except that the
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lips of the spirit, which were used by the early church, really
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have never gone away. Scripture doesn't say they'd go
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away and most theologians which are like Bible scholars.
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Really, just point to history that they've gone away as there,
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is it biblical proof of it. And History is is not a cure for
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understanding scripture at all. Otherwise salvation would have
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went away until Martin Luther and the Reformation, right?
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So it was like a face. Yeah, here's how to get saved
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again. It's by Grace.
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It's not by works. And then the next phase where
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Awakenings where people won't experience the power of the
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spirit you didn't. So Pentecostals, are I grew up
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in a Pentecostal Church? Um and once you can see things
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but once you Experience. Christianity to me is the only
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thing that makes logical sense. It answers philosophical
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questions, scientific questions. But it takes the Holy Spirit to
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show you the truth of Christ, even if it load, all adds up.
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But when you add a what I call Divine encounter, but in
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experience with the Holy Spirit, there's just no going back
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ridicule. Nothing matters to you anymore
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because something so real. You'll never be out debated on
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it. You'll just never there's
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something in you. Well, the holy spirit that just
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doesn't aunt. Doesn't allow it.
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So you saw things what led to More of the experience in your
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life of the movement of the Holy Spirit, or as you grew or
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matured, its Supply, didn't doubt.
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And I think I mentioned that in my book, I didn't put God
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limitations, and I truly believe that a way to lose that is, to
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surround yourself with those who doubt, and I call it
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unbelievably vers because of your round unbelievers.
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They don't believe that's fine. You know, not, you know, find as
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an internal standpoint. And but that's common, but I
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just did not doubt that. God couldn't do something I
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believed and I knew that anything was possible for him
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and I expected it. I expected God's always come
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through for me. I expect him to be there and I
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think I mentioned this. Also, if not I mentioned is
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somewhere else. But imagine like, say, can you
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ask me to be on here on this show and I say, yes, but then
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you're thinking she's not going to come on.
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She's not going to be on. How would that make?
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You know, how would that make me feel?
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You know, because if you're asking me for something and
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you're like I don't think she's gonna do it, would that make me
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want to do it. I would probably like, maybe too
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because Ken because Ken doesn't believe how big one that's the
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same thing with God. If you ask God for something,
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expect him to do it. But a lot of times we ask God
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for things and truly inside, doubt that he's gone to do it
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and God loves. He's moved by faith.
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The Bible say, He is moved by faith and that means we're not
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doubting when I second-guessing we expect him to just like,
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Shadrach Meshach and Abednego, I know a lot of people say, they
00:21:31
said if if he doesn't come for us, but there's a translation
00:21:35
that actually is different, where it says that when he comes
00:21:39
for us or something like that, it's, it's the, it's the
00:21:44
original context, I don't know. If was written in Hebrew, what
00:21:47
part of was burning, but where it is actually said when he
00:21:50
would Come for us when the Lord will come for us.
00:21:52
So they believe so. We believe God has to, he has to
00:21:55
come through without a shadow of a doubt.
00:21:57
You stand on the word of God. He's going to do it.
00:22:00
And I truly believe, the reason why I kept having Supernatural
00:22:03
experiences, because I didn't doubt that he could do it, I
00:22:05
expect him to do it. And he always comes through,
00:22:08
just like matter of fact, childlike Faith, childlike
00:22:12
faith. And now it's going to say
00:22:13
something about that. I'm so glad you said that,
00:22:15
because there was a little girl, I heard this story.
00:22:17
There is little girl on an airplane and there.
00:22:20
Was really bad terrible and it was nighttime and everybody was
00:22:24
freaking out on the plane and the little girl just slept the
00:22:27
whole way through. She didn't see them.
00:22:29
But she did that, she has slept like a baby.
00:22:33
So when she got off the people in the plane came to her, you
00:22:36
know, the passengers and they say weren't you afraid?
00:22:39
And she said, no, they said, did you feel anything?
00:22:41
She said, oh yeah, I felt it. She said, well, why weren't you
00:22:43
scared? The people said, well, weren't
00:22:45
you secure it in the girl said, because my dad's a pilot.
00:22:48
So, when your father is the pile, Eyelet you, you trust him.
00:22:52
Like you have that, that childlike like you said the
00:22:54
childlike Faith, just like the Bible says, where God will
00:22:57
always sustained, you will always protect you.
00:23:00
So yeah, just don't doubt, don't allow yourself the dowel and if
00:23:04
you feel like you're around, if when you get around certain
00:23:07
Christians, who I don't believe that, I don't be dissin.
00:23:10
I don't sometimes if you hang around those people too much you
00:23:12
and become like them, you know, and especially if they're not
00:23:16
receptive. It's one thing to be around
00:23:18
people to help them in there. Faith.
00:23:20
But if they're resistant they're going to change you but if the
00:23:24
receptive you'll change them. So vision of Jesus.
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What happened there? And which one which one can I
00:23:35
think many of them, all of them. Okay, let's talk about this is
00:23:40
the one, okay? This is the one that didn't make
00:23:41
it to the book. I wrote the book in 2014 and it
00:23:45
was a vision of Jesus not make her book.
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Yes. Yes.
00:23:48
I did have too many Visions. I digested have room for another
00:23:51
vision of Jesus is awesome. I, this one I believe was the
00:23:55
most awesome because it happened right after my book was
00:23:59
published in 2014 and I said, Lord.
00:24:02
Why in the world did you let this?
00:24:03
Well, how come you didn't say this for, you know, before I
00:24:06
published it, but it was the time where I actually literally
00:24:09
touched Jesus saw him like, literally face to face up close
00:24:13
while they are. Okay, so one night, I had went
00:24:18
to bed, but it was an open Vision.
00:24:20
It was so weird cause I was literally there.
00:24:22
So I had went to bed, and I found myself in a place and this
00:24:28
place was a place of desolation. And everything around looks so I
00:24:35
don't destroyed right, but there was a castle like building and I
00:24:40
was standing at the entrance of the castle doors, and underneath
00:24:45
was a moat in a cross, was a bridge prior to that.
00:24:49
It's so weird prior to that. There was, I spent time little
00:24:54
parts that I spent time with Jesus, the day before literally
00:24:57
and this Vision. Me and Jesus spend time
00:24:59
together. I remember spending time
00:25:00
together but the odd thing is, Either can't recall exactly what
00:25:03
we did. But I know we spend all day
00:25:05
together and then he said, I'll be back tomorrow.
00:25:08
I'll come back. So that day, I'm waiting for
00:25:11
him, because he told me where to wait and I was waiting for him,
00:25:13
and I was waiting for him to be on time.
00:25:16
So I'm waiting and I'm waiting, and I'm waiting, and I'm like,
00:25:20
and I'm getting frustrated because what we're human, we get
00:25:22
frustrated, sometimes and I'm like, he said, he would be here.
00:25:25
He said, he would be here. Where is he?
00:25:27
And as I'm frustrated, Ken, I see this beautiful.
00:25:32
Full man, walk from the left-hand side and he stood
00:25:35
right in front of the that entrance of the bridge of the
00:25:40
bridge. So I'm at the doors, he's at the
00:25:42
very end when the other side of the moat and he stood there.
00:25:46
And he looked at me and he put his hand out like this.
00:25:48
Yeah. He put his right hand out like
00:25:50
this and he stood there and me, I was still frustrated.
00:25:54
Why? Because I was still human,
00:25:55
right? And I'm like, you're late.
00:25:57
I feel like you're late, but that is definitely right, but I
00:26:00
felt like he was like, and And he stood there and he kept his
00:26:03
hand out and I had a knowing a knowing that he would stand
00:26:08
there for a thousand years waiting.
00:26:11
Just for me that's the love of God that I knew.
00:26:15
So as I walk towards him, right? I saw him and when I saw him, I
00:26:19
saw a pure Authority. You now, everybody likes goddess
00:26:23
love, yes, he's love. Yes, he's all that.
00:26:26
But I already knew that because that's who he is, but the one
00:26:30
word that came to mind. The world with the one word that
00:26:34
was was existent, the one word that was everything was
00:26:37
Authority. I mean, even when he walked, you
00:26:40
just saw a authority authority. That's it.
00:26:42
It wasn't Lord of all what he is.
00:26:45
That's who he is, you know, love yes.
00:26:47
This what he is all these things.
00:26:48
But it was pure Authority. So I came and I eventually came
00:26:54
to him and I gave him my hand, and we begin to walk together
00:26:59
and as I walked with him, I remember my love.
00:27:02
Left shoulder. I think I had maybe I made a
00:27:04
video about it. I think I did, I'm not sure but
00:27:06
my left shoulder touched his right arm.
00:27:08
And I felt him and he was solid. I mean, Jesus was solid, but he
00:27:12
wasn't hard. He wasn't like a bodybuilder,
00:27:14
but he was masculine. He was everything.
00:27:17
A man would be. He was a Brawny, shall I say he
00:27:23
was wearing a white white gown. I saw his eyes.
00:27:28
I don't care what people say. They can get mad all they want,
00:27:30
but Jesus has blue. As people get so upset when they
00:27:33
hear that. But his eyes were blue and
00:27:36
Alive, they were alive. Where when you look inside, you
00:27:39
saw life, it you just can't explain it.
00:27:41
And I figured the only way you could ever imagine as if you
00:27:46
actually saw his eyes, his eyes were alive and they were full of
00:27:50
love. He had a fool manicured beard.
00:27:53
It wasn't like a long one, like Duck Dynasty.
00:27:55
It was perfectly manicured, beautiful bear, and he was just
00:27:59
amazing. And and this Is when I guess we
00:28:02
stopped to look at each other. And then we kept walking.
00:28:04
And as we walk, this was a most powerful thinking, as we walked,
00:28:09
I saw, I saw a beast on the right and the left of us, right.
00:28:14
Try to get at me, not at Jesus, but to get at me.
00:28:17
They were after me. And one thing I noticed is that
00:28:19
when I, when I years later house, like these beasts were
00:28:23
ugly, it reminded me of, I don't know if you're a fan of Lord of
00:28:26
the Rings. I just saw a once I guess years
00:28:28
ago, Mike 20 some odd years ago, the He's from Lord of the Rings.
00:28:33
You remember that ugly little thing little my precious that's
00:28:38
we should just like that. That's good.
00:28:41
And I said you know what? A lot of these Hollywood, this
00:28:44
is why I'm really cautious of these movies and Hollywood
00:28:47
because a lot of these things, these things, these people see
00:28:49
these things and they just recreate it on film, because
00:28:52
that's what I saw. I saw both income those things.
00:28:56
Come towards me. Mind you, I'm not into stuff
00:28:58
like that. This is just what they look
00:28:59
like. And I saw this, you know, years
00:29:01
After. And, but they couldn't, they
00:29:04
couldn't get to me because I was with Jesus.
00:29:07
And that was the most powerful one of the most powerful things
00:29:09
that I had gotten from that experience, was that as long as
00:29:15
I was with Jesus, as long as I was, because Jesus always with
00:29:18
me, but as long as I was with Jesus, they could not harm 8.
00:29:21
They could not touch me. They wanted to get me but they
00:29:24
could not get me. So we walk long story.
00:29:26
Sure. We walk and walk into a cave and
00:29:29
then as I look down on the ground Jesus says, do you See
00:29:32
that. And I say the two tiles and you
00:29:34
say yes, one had an elephant on it and another one had some
00:29:38
writing that I didn't understand and then he said, do you know
00:29:42
what that means? And I said no and he said,
00:29:44
within a year, India will come against itself and I said, huh.
00:29:50
He said, within a year, India will Clash against the self and,
00:29:55
and not so certain terms, but desperate, he said that India
00:29:57
will come against this itself and then it was over.
00:30:02
And I was and my I was out of the vision open Vision.
00:30:05
So I woke up and I began to search out what's happening in
00:30:09
India and I did that for probably a good month or two or
00:30:13
three nothing whatsoever. Can would you believe a year
00:30:16
later? And this is when I was on
00:30:18
Facebook, I'm not on Facebook anymore.
00:30:20
Deep, believer is the ministry, but not me personally, I got two
00:30:26
messages for people. I had no idea who they were from
00:30:28
India, and they wrote me and they said, please pray for Made
00:30:32
two people. One said, please pray for me but
00:30:35
not just me for India because India is under attack and then
00:30:39
they went on to say that there's new leadership and a new
00:30:43
leadership under the new leadership, they are attacking
00:30:47
Christians. They're beating them with
00:30:49
changed, they're raping nuns, they're burning down churches,
00:30:52
they're burning down houses of Christians.
00:30:55
And then it was another person who rolled me in, who said,
00:30:58
please pray for me because Indians are very, very tight.
00:31:01
Their families are like Americans where we're just we're
00:31:04
okay, does leaving each other, and they're very tight and
00:31:06
family is everything, but he told me that he said, please
00:31:09
pray for me. I need your help because I am
00:31:12
the, he said, my father is a high up official and he's his
00:31:16
own me because I gave my life to Jesus, and he was Hindu his
00:31:22
whole family's in do because most of India is Hindu.
00:31:25
So he said or Buddhist. So he said, please pray for me.
00:31:28
I love my family, but I have to choose Jesus first, which I
00:31:31
thought was beautiful. Beautiful.
00:31:32
So I said, okay, I'll pray for him.
00:31:33
So then I tell one of my friends, you know, about these
00:31:36
people. I pray for them, but then I'm
00:31:38
telling one of my friends. I'm like this, you know, these
00:31:41
two Indians, just contacted me out of nowhere, and just told me
00:31:44
in and asked me to pray for them with it, a two month to month,
00:31:47
time span. And I told her about the last
00:31:49
one, and she said, that's really odd.
00:31:51
Because in India, they're very accepting of any religion
00:31:56
because they have over 33 million gods and Jesus is one of
00:32:00
them, they don't care. So she said, it doesn't make
00:32:03
sense whatsoever. So I keep doing research, I'm
00:32:07
like, okay, the last guy who said, how his father is a huge
00:32:11
official and things that change. I looked it up and lo and behold
00:32:16
can about a month after I had that vision is when India's
00:32:21
government had changed a month after.
00:32:23
So I'm looking in the wrong places, I guess, but it happened
00:32:26
just the way Jesus said it would happen.
00:32:28
India came against itself and I don't know where the article Bag
00:32:32
and send it to you. I rode matter of fact, I think I
00:32:34
wrote an article on it house, step by step by step how things
00:32:39
had happened a month later after.
00:32:41
Jesus told me that because he said, within a year, not any
00:32:43
year within a year, which means within 365 days, this is going
00:32:47
to happen and India. Indian Christians are facing a
00:32:50
lot of persecution, even still, they didn't have them before
00:32:54
before this government. But this government came in this
00:32:56
new leadership came in and Christians were being
00:32:59
persecuted. So that was the what?
00:33:01
That was the time that I saw Jesus literally face to face up
00:33:06
close. Yeah, so that was the first time
00:33:09
that I saw close face to face the face.
00:33:11
The face to face like this is like, I saw God himself.
00:33:15
You know, I saw him mother time so I can the book, but this was
00:33:19
this, then reached a book and I was like, so I'd like you to
00:33:24
starting deep believer and listening to other people's
00:33:27
stories and sharing them openly good question, really good
00:33:31
question. So there was a woman who would
00:33:33
come to my house? She would come unexpected but it
00:33:36
was fine. She would come every so often we
00:33:38
went to the same church and I realized even before this, I
00:33:43
realized I would never share my testimonies of the glory of God
00:33:47
and Jesus working so much and how he appears to To us and how
00:33:53
he heals us and have, you know, give us miracles, signs and
00:33:56
wonders. All this stuff, Christians
00:33:58
weren't the ones who believed, but the non-christians were the
00:34:02
ones who believed and we actually went out and bought
00:34:04
Bibles when I was sure. My testimonies or those were the
00:34:06
ones, the non-believers who were, who would agree with me.
00:34:08
And say, I've actually experienced that before and I
00:34:12
said to myself, there's a deficit.
00:34:14
So then what really put the nail in the coffin was this woman who
00:34:18
had come to our house ever so often unexpected.
00:34:21
She she would Come on a scooter. She was so sweet on a scooter.
00:34:25
And she came over and we let her in.
00:34:27
And we begin to talk about God, mind you, we went to the same
00:34:30
church. And the Bible says, we're
00:34:32
supposed to believe the same thing, literally, and the verses
00:34:35
I know. Can I said, you know, earlier,
00:34:36
I'm not keen on versus, but I did write it down.
00:34:38
And when you see first Peter 3:8, Philippians 2 to Romans 15
00:34:43
6 says we're all supposed to be of the same mind and because if
00:34:47
you're not, this is why Christianity is so all over the
00:34:51
place now. Not Rihanna is self, but why we
00:34:53
are so combative towards each other and is no, Unity is
00:34:56
because we are all of an unlike mind, but God is not a god of
00:35:02
confusion. So she came to the house and we
00:35:06
begin to talk and then you but to get it talk about God.
00:35:09
And then I said to her, I said, if Christians knew the power
00:35:13
that we have, in Jesus Christ, we will have so much power.
00:35:18
I said there are battles that have been lost.
00:35:21
That didn't even In have to be lost because people not people
00:35:25
but children of God, don't know what the armor that they have
00:35:29
because Jesus says put on the full armor of God.
00:35:32
So even though so that means we have access to it.
00:35:35
We have it and possession but it's not on for a lot of
00:35:38
Christians is not on. So when people are like oh
00:35:40
there's dents in my armor but a lot of times whenever we're in
00:35:43
your armor you got to put it on for it to be dent on.
00:35:45
So basically I broke up to her, I said in a nice way because I'm
00:35:48
thinking, like we're having a conversation like me and you
00:35:51
are. And I'm like Christians knew the
00:35:53
power that we have in Jesus Christ.
00:35:56
I'm like, we can I mean like the devil doesn't have a chance on
00:35:59
us. She looked at me, can she
00:36:02
reversed out of my house? I never saw her.
00:36:04
At is here for a good 3 years after that.
00:36:07
And I was like, I can, I said, I said there's definitely a
00:36:11
deficit because she got uncomfortable.
00:36:13
When I mentioned the power of God, the power that we have in
00:36:15
the power of God and we went to the same church.
00:36:17
So I thought we'd been in the same thing.
00:36:18
Scripture says, the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk, but
00:36:21
if power Our, thank you. Thank you.
00:36:24
And that's a pure example of what I just mentioned.
00:36:27
So after that, I said, you know what Lord use me for whatever
00:36:30
you want to use me for this is years ago.
00:36:33
So then in Connecticut. So now I'm in Colorado and then
00:36:38
I'm at a church in Colorado. And there were, there were
00:36:42
members of the church there who are high up in the church, you
00:36:47
know, Church positions in all this and I was wondering how
00:36:49
come I just can't get it. You know I'm saying Ken like you
00:36:53
know what like you go to a church, you just want to, you
00:36:55
know, be a part of something and I said, why can't I get in?
00:36:59
Why can I get in somehow? And the Lord, he says to me,
00:37:04
I've never used a church to prosper you.
00:37:08
So he answer my question like Jesus, always, you notice in the
00:37:10
Bible, Jesus answers questions to things that we don't really.
00:37:15
You know, when people would ask him questions, he would say
00:37:17
something else because that's what you're really getting at.
00:37:20
So I guess what I was really. Lee saying is how come I'm
00:37:24
unable to use my gifts here? Why can't why aren't these
00:37:28
people realizing that? I have gifts here to attribute
00:37:31
to the church to help build the church?
00:37:33
That was, I guess what my heart was saying?
00:37:35
But I'm thinking lord, well how come I can't get and what is
00:37:39
wrong, you know, it was. And then Jesus literally said I
00:37:42
have never used a church to prosper you and I kid you not
00:37:45
Ken, I kid you not that same week the Lord helped form deep
00:37:52
Deep believer. Literally I got a call, not a
00:37:55
call, but I got a LinkedIn invitation from some lady named
00:37:58
Linda and mind you. I just, I was just doing a Blog
00:38:02
deeply were blog. That's it.
00:38:03
And a woman named Linda she contacts me.
00:38:06
And she says, would you like to interview one of America's top
00:38:11
cardiologists? He's the number one, he's number
00:38:14
one, percent top card, Alec Cara, cardiologist in America.
00:38:18
And at first can I'm saying to myself, Absolutely that.
00:38:22
I've never interviewed anyone before, I don't have that much
00:38:25
experience in, it is not know, but then I remember there was a
00:38:29
woman at the biggie because in Connecticut there's this huge
00:38:32
nests are Connecticut and Massachusetts we would travel
00:38:35
because New England's pretty small, we would travel once a
00:38:37
year to What's called the Big E. And the big uses huge fear that
00:38:41
like all the states come together in New England, and we
00:38:44
just have a ball. And as we went there, there was
00:38:47
a vendor there. She had oil, she was so all
00:38:49
these Yummy different, olive oils of all different kinds, and
00:38:53
I spoke to her and she, and I asked, I said, how did you get
00:38:56
to where you got to? And she said, I had tenacity,
00:38:59
and I said, okay, elaborate she said, look, she said, I started
00:39:03
small, I started in my kitchen, but what happened is?
00:39:06
My husband told me. Look, you have tenacity where
00:39:10
you kept going, where no one where everyone else would have
00:39:14
given up, but you kept going no matter what the obstacles.
00:39:17
You didn't stop. And when she said that, I said,
00:39:20
you know what, maybe I'll just have some today, that's how have
00:39:25
some tenacity even when it seems.
00:39:26
As if, you know, maybe it won't go anywhere.
00:39:29
I'll just, I'll just go I'll just go.
00:39:32
So I said to myself, I said, you know where I'm going to tell
00:39:34
this woman. Yes.
00:39:36
And when I tell her, yes, no one's going to watch the
00:39:39
interview anyway because I don't even have a real Channel, you
00:39:42
know, like when you have a YouTube channel just start off.
00:39:44
Yeah, this is, you know, as maybe like words of
00:39:46
encouragement versus my family's small stuff like that.
00:39:49
So I said, nobody's gonna To watch it anyway.
00:39:50
Can I said yes and I think within two months we were at
00:39:58
200 views and that's how it started.
00:40:02
And it was only because I said yes, I said yes.
00:40:05
So it wouldn't fear Creeps in sometimes, fear Creeps in
00:40:08
because the enemy knows you're calling, sometimes he does know
00:40:11
that God has something big for your life but the power of a yes
00:40:15
can change things. It can move mountains and is all
00:40:18
for Glory. The glory of God.
00:40:20
So Like deep believer when you see deep believer, it's never
00:40:22
me. It's all forgot, it's not my
00:40:25
Ministry, it's God's Ministry, I have nothing to do with it.
00:40:28
Except Lord, I will interview those, um, an interview.
00:40:31
All ask a question you want to ask and it always has to bring
00:40:35
glory to God. So everyone who are interview?
00:40:37
If it doesn't, bring glory to God, you will not be on the
00:40:38
show. It's not going to happen.
00:40:40
If it, if it glorifies yourself, it was just to promote.
00:40:43
It's not going to happen. But if it's really to build the
00:40:46
kingdom of God, because my goal, my heart's desire was for For
00:40:50
the army of God, the children of God to come together and rise up
00:40:54
and know the authority that we have in Jesus Christ.
00:40:57
And that a lot of things that we go through, we really don't have
00:41:01
to go through a curtain is a lot of things that we really don't
00:41:03
have to. There's some things we do
00:41:04
obviously. Yes, because this world is a
00:41:07
fallen world, but it's a lot of obstacles in this life that we
00:41:10
don't have to go through if we know the power and authority
00:41:13
that we have in Jesus Christ and if we know and use our armor
00:41:17
that God gives us, he doesn't give us armor because everything
00:41:20
is Kate know, he gives us our because there's a war but I mean
00:41:23
what a Victorious, King never leaves his people so he'll fight
00:41:26
with us. But so that's why deep believer
00:41:29
was created. Because I mean, from its
00:41:31
Inception until now it's all to bring the glory of God, back to
00:41:37
the children of God, and that is no, have the knowledge that we
00:41:40
are children of God, which gives us so much Authority.
00:41:42
And even when I've interviewed X witches and warlocks and all
00:41:45
that stuff, they always say it's so much power in Christianity
00:41:50
The Christians don't know it but I don't know if that was my up
00:41:54
until recently. I kind of did a Rebrand but my
00:41:56
slogan was basically three-quarters of Americans
00:41:59
believe in the Paranormal. But this excludes most of the
00:42:03
stories where people are having encounters with God.
00:42:07
And so, that's what this platform is for just to start to
00:42:09
invite people to. Not only to tell the church
00:42:12
people like, hey, it's not just church like it's what you're
00:42:15
doing is real and if it's not, you're not doing it right?
00:42:19
And For the Paranormal Believers to say, hey, there's not just
00:42:24
this boring religion, and that's Christianity, and it's dead and
00:42:29
lifeless. So you're drawn to the
00:42:31
Paranormal. The Bible is the most paranormal
00:42:34
book ever written. It's do you believe in aliens in
00:42:39
the Paranormal? What do you think God is God, is
00:42:41
some kind of outside creature that doesn't live here it.
00:42:44
You know what I mean? It's like, it fits all of those
00:42:46
categories. We just have different lingo and
00:42:50
Yeah, I appreciate you. Your kind of fun, your spunky,
00:42:53
and I like your channel. I was telling you that I
00:42:56
listened to your best of 2022. I was working out and, or
00:43:02
sometimes, when I'm driving there, great story.
00:43:04
So if people don't know, deep believer, YouTube, It's stories.
00:43:08
It's actually summer, Jennifer stories, but it's stories from
00:43:13
all kinds of people telling their Supernatural encounters
00:43:19
with God. God.
00:43:20
And it's really, it's really interesting and share with how
00:43:24
they can find find. You sure you can find this on
00:43:28
YouTube under deep Believers. You can also find us on deep
00:43:32
believer.com. We're on Twitter deep leavers.
00:43:37
So everything is the Polly were. So you got the G deep believer,
00:43:40
Facebook deep, believer, YouTube.
00:43:42
So we're all over. So if you go there you can find
00:43:45
us and I can assure you, you will assure you, that you will
00:43:48
hear things you've never heard before.
00:43:50
I can assure you will hear and see things that it will cause
00:43:54
you to open up your Bible in. Try to look for it and try to
00:43:57
search for it but yeah it's all just a bring recognition and
00:44:02
Glory back to God and to build the army of Christ back up.