Kevin DeVries is a father of champions, a son of immigrants, an inspirational speaker, explorer, entrepreneur, author, and national men's ministry leader from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
He also died of cardiac arrest, left his body, and was spoken to by a 'man' gleaming with light. After fifteen minutes of a lifeless body, Kevin is alive to tell the tale. www.graceexplorations.com
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Kevin. So since the last time I've seen
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you, apparently you have died. That is true.
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Partially nearly September 21st, 2019 was going on a run.
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It was going to be just any other normal day.
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It was hot out. It was approaching desk.
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I had my running shorts on my running shoes and no other
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identification. Nothing else.
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I have a six mile route that I usually run.
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I'm training for a half marathon.
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It's muggy it's hot out. The sun is not setting yet but
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it's getting to that point the day where you can't really make
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out stuff. There are parts of the route
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that are busy and parts of the route that are not busy at all.
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I run by an EMT station, which is providential as the story
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unfolds, as part of this running route and then I also run past
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the graveyard, it's called Cascade Cemetery in Cascade.
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Michigan in the Southeastern edge of Grand, Rapids area,
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Michigan. And I thought, you know what,
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I'm not feeling all that. Well, it's hot out, I can tell
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that my rhythm is off and I'm just, I'm just going to take a
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walk and not worried about time on that particular.
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For day and just kind of have a little bit of a recoup.
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So I walk into the graveyard. There is somebody dressed all in
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white in the graveyard. His back is towards me.
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He's not wearing first century clothing.
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So it didn't stand out to me as like, anything really all that
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unusual except for the fact that he is rearranging stuff around a
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grave, there's some dirt and I'm just thinking that just kind of
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weird. I wouldn't dress in an all white
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suit almost. Looks like a hazmat suit.
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Working on a grave in the dirt. I just wouldn't do that and I
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just kind of tucked it away. Didn't think a whole lot of it.
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Walk through the graveyard, memorize a couple of
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gravestones. There's a smaller portion of the
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graveyard that is actually in a fenced in area.
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That's an older Cemetery that they had to move in 1966 when
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they build 96 through. So, I remembered that, I
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remember reading a couple of Grey stones, and that particular
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marker. Indicating this older graveyard
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with in a graveyard that was relocated exited out, ran
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downhill. And then I entered on the
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busiest part of the route, which is Cascade Road for an upper
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river is right to my right and to my left is the entrance to
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Pine Ridge Elementary School. So I'm running right along the
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River's Edge. There's a bluff above me or a
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ridge which is the name of the school elementary school.
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And at the very top of that to give you just a topographical
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overlooked is the graveyard. So the graveyards at the highest
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point, then the school further down the ridge is the river and
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the actual Trail. I'm running on adjacent to it.
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I don't remember anything. There was no pain.
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I didn't feel any thing unusual. I know I was having an off day
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running but, you know, you have those all the time.
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The next thing I remember was leaving my body and looking at
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my body, which is now lifeless, and exiting from that tent, if
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you will, that we all occupy our skin suit.
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And feeling tremendous relief. It was you know surreal because
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you hear about this stuff in your read about this stuff and I
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was like wow this is happening to me I don't really know what's
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going on but it feels very natural.
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Feels like I'm kind of bumping into my true self and that this
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skin suit I've been wearing. It's just basically allowing me
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to have a human experience which I have always believed as long
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back. Remember I did.
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The words articulated. But I've always believed that we
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Are Spiritual Beings that happen to be having a human experience
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that there's something about us, that is Immortal it lives on
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forever. It's the God's Park.
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It's the God, particle, there's something about us that touches
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immortality, and it may not necessarily be the body that we
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live in, but it's something else, and it's divine.
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And I had it at Divine encounter.
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So, I'm soaring up. Now, over the ridge, I'm not
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staying in that static state gets very Like I'm actually
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leaving mentally my body and having an out-of-body
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experience, but I'm soaring now over the ridge over the
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elementary school, back to the graveyard.
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And now the individual who was all dressed in white, his back
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is no longer towards me. He's facing me but I can't make
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out any facial features. There's a lot of light that's
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coming out of him and surrounding him, but it's not
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the harmful to, it's not like a head beam or, you know, some
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kind of massive amount of concentrated light. but it's
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more warm welcoming and calming, but also ancient in the sense
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that it's light that Darkness has never really touched and
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darkness really isn't a thing. Anyway, darkness is the absence
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of light the same way I think evil is not necessarily a thing,
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it's more. The absence of good.
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It's not an original creation, is something that is in Converse
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or opposite of something. That is original.
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That is true. And I just felt like in this
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space of light that's emanating out of this person that was like
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that Darkness had never Touched and it preceded, darkness and
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it's something that can never be consumed.
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It's a, it's a, an eternal flame.
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It's an eternal light. It's the original source of
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light. It's like the light that Lit the
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world, if you will, and some of that can be found in various
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scripture references. And other writings that, this
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person who I believe was, the Risen Christ is actually the
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light of the world. I think he was there with with
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his father at the beginning of every And that's from this
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person and I'm basically quoting a lot of or politically
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synthesizing, what you can read about and John the gospel.
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The first chapter or Ephesians chapter 1 or Colossians chapter
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1, it talks about this idea of creation coming out of this
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person of Christ, this Cosmic crisis, if I can use that word,
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not necessarily historical Jesus but the cosmic Christ that came
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and was incarnated into the person of Jesus to historical
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figure. And lived before inside Jesus
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and also exist outside of Jesus, if that makes sense.
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So, the other thing that I felt Not only was it a light issue,
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but it was there was just tremendous amount of love that
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was coming out of this person to the extent that I believe that
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it was love, that fear has never felt.
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And we think about all the decisions that we make and we
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make thousands and tens of thousands of decisions every
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day. There's just say a vast.
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Majority of those decisions are based on negative emotions based
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on fear or hate or indifference or apathy, but when you find the
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true source of love, it can't coexist with fear it, drives it
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out, it pushes it out, it gobbles up.
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All the real estate in your interior geography.
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And I felt like in that moment and I've never felt this in my
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human existence. I felt like there was just
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nothing to be afraid of. That everything I was afraid of
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was immaterial, had dissipated had dissolved itself into
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something. That was more powerful, which is
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love and I felt like this love was coming out of this person.
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That it was perfected. Love it was perfect love.
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There was nothing about it. That was selfish.
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It was just there and I felt that I felt a tremendous sense
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of belonging in that moment and then the third thing that I felt
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in that moment and again I'm now in a different times Space
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continuum. So I'm not, I'm not in Kronos
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time, which is where we live. It's lunar, it's cyclical, it's
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seasonal. You know, we watch the clock and
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the clock determines our events of the day and how we schedule
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our day and how the Harvest happens in agriculture
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communities, but I was outside of that Dimension, I would call
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it. I wouldn't call it.
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I mean it's something that's going around for a bit but it's
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called Karis time. It's got Tyne its Celestial time
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and Yeah, gosh, I could have been a thousand years in the
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time-space Continuum, but it could have been a nanosecond in
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Karis time because it's a different dimension.
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So I'm in a moment that suspended and time is clicking
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and other people are doing things to help me get back to
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the time-space, Continuum that I'm not aware of, and I'll talk
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about that in just a moment. But in that moment, it was, as
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if time itself was suspended, it was time was time.
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I was outside of time. I'm really meant nothing.
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The moment at the moment, meant everything and I suppose you
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could call it the Eternal. Now, a lot of Mystics will use
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that, kind of language. It was a Now That Never Ends,
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it's just always present your always available.
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Kind of the way, life is meant to be.
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And what we spend a lot of time trying to figure out is, how do
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I stay present? How do I stay in that moment?
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I didn't have any trouble with it at that time because I had no
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other options. I was in a narrative that is Did
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not control. That was being written.
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I was invited into it in a freak, kind of way if you will,
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but I wasn't writing it. And so, I was just experiencing
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it, I was staying in the moment, and I felt like, Not only was, I
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experienced a tremendous amount of light and a tremendous amount
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of love, but I was also experiencing wife, that death
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could never defeat that. There's a part of our being.
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I look at it as a trichotomy, were a spear that happens to
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live in a body that I Also has a soul, emotions, will
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determination intellect all those things but in that moment,
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it felt like there's a part of me that's going to live forever.
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There's a part of everyone that lives forever and and the source
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of that is standing in front of me, the source of all life that
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the gates if you will to God, like this is the he is the
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portal, it's like walking through him, if he At moment, I
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have this distinct Sensation that if he had gathered me to
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himself, if he didn't brace me, that he would have in, in a way
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that I can't even begin to describe.
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It would have been as if he almost became a portal for those
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that are Star Trek or sci-fi fans like a Stargate, write it
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with felt like he had that type of capacity where if I had
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entered into him, if he had held me close and embrace me, I would
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have been ushered into the presence of God and in all of
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eternity. Be in heaven.
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If you will, he didn't do that. And what he did do instead which
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is eerily similar to many other near-death and counters and E's
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is what we call them. He just spoke very succinctly.
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Again time is suspended. So it fell to me because it was
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like, September at felt like his words were coming to me.
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Like a leaf blowing in the wind and he just said, it's not your
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time. And then there was a dramatic,
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pause. And then the words came to me as
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he was turning away from me and the light started disappearing.
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He said, your mission is not yet complete.
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And then the next thing I remember was coming to, in the
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ambulance likes are beeping. I hear muffled voices, I can't
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speak. As there's an oxygen mask over
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me. They have a defibrillator
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machine over me and come to find out that Cardiac Arrest, which
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is what I had. It's not a heart attack, it was
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a card. I can rest which is all
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electrical. A heart attack is Plumbing.
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You can actually drive yourself to the hospital with a heart
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attack and it in its involves pain and a user report involves
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reparative work. You have to have a stent or a
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new valve or something, your heart is Damaged.
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It's a plumbing issue. Something is not working,
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whereas a cardiac arrest is electrical and it's just an
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anomaly, the closest thing at the doctors came after I was in
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the hospital for a bit. They weren't 100% certain but
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They thought the best explanation was that, I had what
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they call a scad, a spontaneous coronary artery dissection and
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the lower left atrium of my exterior heart.
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They felt like there was just a scant evidence of a minuscule
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artery that had burst and had disrupted my rhythm, to the
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extent that I went into arrest and typically the only way they
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can bring someone like that back is through a defibrillator.
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Fortunately, two nurses happened to be driving by along with a
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coach who had done CPR. These were emergency room
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nurses. One of them was a nurse
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practitioner. The other worked at Mary Free
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Bed and they just did everything right?
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They did CPR. May they never got a pulse but
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they never gave up and they were working on me for upwards of 10
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minutes, but they wouldn't have stopped if I hadn't looked dead.
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So, my coloration was, you know, kind of violet.
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Purple, and so, who knows, how long I was there before they
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actually stopped. So I tell people, I didn't have
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a heartbeat or a pulse for up to 15 minutes.
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It was probably in a 12 or 13 minutes ago, and if we can piece
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it together correctly, which is really dangerous.
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I mean, even a couple minutes is catastrophic, but when you get
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into that 15-minute threshold, your brain activity actually
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goes away. And that's the last thing that
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is actually to go flat line. Even after your heart has
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stopped beating their Some electrical activity in your, in
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your brain, neurologically that still stays alive.
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And so I was really pushing the threshold there and fortunately,
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as I mentioned earlier, I pass it.
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ENT station on the run and they responded very quickly.
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I came to find out after we had done a taping with Boston
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Scientific because I wear a defibrillator now.
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And they're now they had sponsor me to go to Everest.
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We film a documentary and now they're doing a big story on it
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for their employees next month about forth.
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As an employee's as an employee appreciation data, bringing
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three or four of us. People from around the world who
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had good happy stories to tell to their employees.
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Who build this technology. I've learned from one of the
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guys who had come right there on the spot as we were filming just
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a few weeks ago, that there was actually an individual who had
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arrived earlier elderly gentleman.
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And he just did what probably most of us would do.
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He just kind of freaked out and didn't do anything and they
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thought he was not going to be okay.
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A that he was just really, really upset by what he was
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saying, because he had stumbled out of apparently a dead man on
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the trail. And they actually asked him to
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make the call because they were working on me, you know,
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cracking my ribs because if you do CPR, right, you know, you're
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going to you're going to hurt somebody and they also did old
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school, you know, mouth-to-mouth they did everything right.
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And that allowed my vitals to get the amount of oxygen that
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they needed. So that when I As shocked back
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to life. I still had some cognitive
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abilities even though that took 24 or 48 hours for that to come,
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you know, full circle. So when everything went really,
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really wrong, everything went really, really wet.
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Right? I believe it was divine.
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The whole encounter I think was already laid out.
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I was 10 minutes behind schedule, because I kill time in
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a cemetery to of the people. Two of the three that came to my
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rescue before. The ante before the fire team
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came with the defibrillator and shocking back to life.
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We're also off schedule. One of them shouldn't have taken
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at Exit. It was a family dispute and at
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the last minute someone veered off and took the exit off a low
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and usually didn't come that way.
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So he shouldn't have been there and then the nurse practitioner
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was off schedule because their kid had to go to the bathroom.
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And so they were upset about that, but they were ten minutes
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behind schedule. So just the Exquisite and it was
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just before the Sun starts. The sad, it happened to be on
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the busiest, part of the trail. It happens to be on the most
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visible part of the trail. Lots of traffic.
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There was still enough light to be able to make out that.
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Hey, this guy is not doing well, he's under great duress, because
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it looked like I had the wherewithal to collapse in such
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a manner that I was resting. My, my knees are up, my hands
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were behind my head, and for the Casual bystander or someone
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driving by rather quickly, they would have thought.
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Well, it's a hot night. He's just chilling out, it's
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kind of odd. But hey, whatever.
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It wasn't until the coloration took effect that people began to
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realize. Wow, this guy is Yeah, he could
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be dead and fortunately, the medical personnel responded in
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an incredibly professional manner.
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And that's why I'm here. A lot of people have asked me,
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what do you think that was an angel or who do you think that
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was? And, you know, a lot of people
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with near-death experiences ascribe this bright light, or a
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person or a tunnel almost kind of like the Millennium Falcon,
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you know, going into into warp speed or With high beams into a
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snowstorm in Michigan, you know, it has that feeling of just
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acceleration, but you're entering into another dimension,
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that your mind can't with a comprehend, because we're finite
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creatures and Eternity as infinite.
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My main takeaway, was that what we believe now, determines where
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we belong in eternity? And I know that's not really
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popular because we have all kinds of belief systems around
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the world. Where reincarnation Is a popular
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ideology, belief system where it allows you to come back in to
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kind of redo. Hopefully, not as a donkey or
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some Beast of Burden, but there's various religions out
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there that have, you know, a purgatorial experience where
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there's a purging and you can repent and they're still as an
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opportunity to make things right, or make amends, but I
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believe historically, and from an orthodox position in the
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Christian faith, that there there is death, there is
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judgment. And where you belong in eternity
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is all connected to what you believe in time.
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So, when I give this talk, I let people make their own choices.
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I could be wrong. I don't believe I am, but if I'm
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wrong, there's really no harm down, but if if I'm, if I'm
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right then, I'm really right. But if I'm wrong, I'm really
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wrong because I miss guiding people not just in the
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time-space, Continuum, but eternity.
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So if I am wrong, I don't think there's really any harm harm
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done. But boy, this is, this is a big
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issue and we're not just talking about the 85 or however many
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years would get here on this. Like, we're talking about a
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never-ending existence, where our Spirits go and get
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reanimated. And that's the beauty.
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I think of the Resurrection is that, if we believe that Christ
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indeed resurrected from the dead, then that becomes a
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template for all of us. He showed us the way of what it
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looks like to die. But also live and it's an
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incredible Master template that the world celebrates a taster
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and even those that maybe don't believe in the whole gospel
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story. There's something fascinating
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about that you catastrophe to drop a token word in there,
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where everything was just going so wrong and the world seems to
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be on the edge of complete ruin and then something unexpectedly.
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Brilliant and beautiful. And just Supernaturally, good
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happens. Totally unexpectedly which I
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think you could call my event. I also a eucatastrophe of sorts
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and we all have these Easter moments in our lives where
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things are going really bad and then some unexpected turn of
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events and it all of a sudden becomes, right?
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And I think that's what death provides us is.
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It's a door to another dimension that we spend.
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Billions of dollars trying to evade and Escape or prolong.
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And in fact it actually is a Isn't that God is created.
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It's a door with that is hinged on Hope and he leaves This Thing
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Called Death as part of our Human Experience.
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Because he knows that that that door is necessary to enter into
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the next Dimension as a human. We fear it because we don't know
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what's beyond it, but he does. And so he allows death to still
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remain as it is. However, death is not Victorious
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because someone has conquered death in the form of Christ.
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And as a result, when we pass through that door, we are
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Resurrected With the same power that resurrected Christ in 33
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ad, it's the same power, and it gives us the same, hope that our
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lives continued, and a better body, and an eternal body, and a
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glorified body, and depending on one's eschatology, we even come
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back to here to earth, right? So there's some incredible hope
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there. So, when I face this person, I
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don't believe it was an angel because in all the biblical
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accounts that we have, unless the Angels Came In Disguise
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humans always interacted with angels with Incredible fear and
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usually the first words out of an angels map, this fear, not,
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you know, or don't worship me. I mean, how could you not be
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trembling standing in front of it?
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Eight, nine foot tall. You know, being that's all
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dressed in white with a flaming sword and they're glowing like
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an ember taken out of a out of a, out of a fire.
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I mean, how do you, how do you respond to that?
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Well, in some cases in the Bible, people had, I guess what
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you do. Call Cardiac Arrest because they
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fell down as if they were dead, they don't use medical terms,
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but when you connect it, it's like, oh, maybe these people had
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an encounter with the Divine. They just didn't know it because
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they have the language for it. And so, I did appear as if I was
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dead. I had a Divine encounter, I
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didn't were castrated. I think God knew everything that
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was going to happen before it happened because he's not bound
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by space and time the way we are.
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He can be anywhere all at once everywhere, forever.
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So he's not, there's a different dimension.
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He evolves into. And so I felt like when I was in
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countering this person and the afterlife or at the edge of the
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afterlife, that he was my brother.
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There was a sense of familial connection where his dad his
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father was my father through a spiritual adoption process.
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And then, secondly, I felt like he was my captain like here is a
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man that I could follow into battle and, and start and pull.
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If Ur ate, our men's movement called Grace Explorations and
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all these base camps that we start and all these Storytelling
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events that we create for men to hear other men's stories and
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maybe be able to retell their story as part of God's bigger
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story. But thirdly I felt like he was
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my king and as such he deserved not only My Confession of sin
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and hey I'm a sinner and I've done wrong and I need
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forgiveness. And will you forgive me?
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Which is really at the base of the metaphor of mountain but I
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also was his beloved Son. And as a son, I was made a
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prince. If you will.
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And, and as him being the king, I, he deserves my highest
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Allegiance. It's not some little prayer that
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I prayed escape the other opposite end of the spectrum,
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the opposite of Heaven, it's more about how can I just
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pledged my highest allegiance to this person?
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That's given everything for me. How can I in return?
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Give the same a pastor that Both now always said a life on life,
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right? A life for a life and that
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always stuck with me. And I believe that that's true
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in a story that it should be a life for a life.
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So I felt it, was the Risen Christ, it didn't feel Angelic,
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it felt like this was the son of God.
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And for whatever reason, I had this encounter to bring Clarity,
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it's now going to be woven into in part into a documentary, that
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we created called the true Summit, which will release
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digitally. And III.
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It'll be shown locally here in a theater in Grand Rapids on
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November the 6th for three showings, probably 750 guests
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and so it'll be woven into that story of climbing and
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adventuring. And what is the true Summit look
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like? And how do you view Life After
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experiencing a near-death experience, what changes inside
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of you? What's in?
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And our whole idea is that we climb a lot of false Summits.
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We make a big deal about things that don't really matter and
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what really Matters in the end is as the people that we love
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and and having enough courage to speak the truth into their life.
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Not my truth or your truth. But that truth capital T, which
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I know is not popular. We don't like to believe that
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there are absolutes, but the world has been governed by them
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for many Millennia and it's a Pity that in the final stretch
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of our human existence that we in our own hubris can Embrace
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that it's really a pity. He because there are laws out
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there that guide the universe. And one of them is there has to
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be this concept of absolute truth that binds everything
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together for Star Wars fans. It's the original Force.
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It's a supernatural force, that glues everything together and
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holds all of our smaller trees together because it's Guided by
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a bigger truth. And I believe that that true
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this Christ. And I believe that how we
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interact with him and how What we believe about him
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specifically. The resurrection took Jordan
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Pederson, couple years to get to that point, but he always said
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and I remember him saying it, like 45 years back if I can ever
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get to the point where I realized that the fulcrum of the
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Christian faith is that Christ indeed resurrected?
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Then I can become a Believer and it took him several years to get
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his mind wrapped around that, but I think he's gotten to that
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point and that is change the trajectory of his life because
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it is a Monumental event that now Monday, It's our calendar,
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but the consequences of that are credibly substantial, because of
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Christ did indeed die and go into the Land of the Dead and
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come back and give us the template for resurrection.
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That it not only changes our life here, but forever now,