'A Juicy Pear Podcast Starring Wendy' discusses with Ken the origins of the 'Becoming Outlaws' podcast and about and some of his origin story. Ken shares how Bible is the most paranormal book man has ever gotten their hands on.
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Hey this is Wendy and you are listening to a juicy pear pod
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cast and I'm very excited about my guest.
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Today is name is Ken McMullen and he has a podcast called
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becoming Outlaws. True stories of divine
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encounters. Hey Ken.
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Hey glad to be here. Yeah, I'm so excited that you're
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here. I'm excited.
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I've been listening to yours and I'm a little taken back.
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I don't know if I can compete with Mothman.
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Oh God, super fascinating. The things.
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Oh my gosh. That was one of my favorite
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episodes and the guy invited me down to Point Pleasant West
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Virginia, next year for the Mothman festival.
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And you know, he's going to take me to all the different like
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places down there and I'm super excited.
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I don't know why but yeah, that is one of my favorite episodes.
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Do you know if they do they have a people give stories about
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Mothman, do people dress up as Mothman?
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I think they all they do it all. I think you know because it was
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such a you know, it was such a Huge thing that happened was
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like in the 60s for people listening.
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You know, it was like during I think it was 1967 and this this
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huge Bridge collapsed Over the River Ohio.
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It was like two weeks before Christmas I feel and yeah, it
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was just loaded with traffic. And lots of people passed died,
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but four months beforehand. And after the incident people
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were seeing this thing. Weird stuff was happening in a
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town like you up. There were seen UFOs.
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Yeah. And in black, I mean, the whole
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thing, it was just very strange and it wasn't just dozens of ink
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people. It was hundreds hundreds of
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accounts hundreds. So yeah, very intriguing, very
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interesting story. Yeah, okay, well good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was one of my
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favorite things but you can have weird.
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Let's talk about me. Yes.
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Yes, this is why you're here. I want to talk about you and I
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want to talk about your podcast so you told me just off
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recording that you just started. Four months ago, but you have
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all these amazing people on your show?
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Yeah, tell us about your podcast, you know, where are
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they coming from? Well, I have a, I think it was
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just a bunch of things came together.
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So, you know, there's maybe you do know.
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I actually don't know how many podcasts are out there like a
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bazillion, many, many many. Yeah, I mean, anybody with a
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phone and a napkin start talking and post it to the world and
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then there's podcast to go all the way up to like a Dateline
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NBC. And it's this huge Productions
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really tough. You know, television on radio
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that yummy isn't even podcast world.
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It's radio world on a podcast format but as far as what we're
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doing it, there's always room to expand obviously, but I think
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mine kind of it shouldn't be where it is.
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After that short amount of time as far as the regular trajectory
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or the kind of guess I'm getting.
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But the really unique topic button each I guess.
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And then and it's a combination of things.
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I mean I do professional marketing now but back in the
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day, when I was a Youngster, I was all about.
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Things I had done almost a decade of like radio and
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television old-school broadcasting that helps that
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helps tremendously. Yeah I mean it's a whole new
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world as far as the technology but being in marketing for
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companies eye on what's going on and learned how podcast work and
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this and that, and then how it came about and all came together
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is for work. I was interviewing.
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Well, actually, if you don't mind the story, I'll tell ya
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sure it's a heuristic. So this came about actually, I
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was up and running with a podcast 10 days after I decided
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to do one. And it was NASA sakes because of
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this. So when the new Elvis movie came
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out, I took my parents who haven't?
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I don't think my dad's been to a movie in like a decade or two.
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But yeah, but I took a day off and they were willing to go.
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See the Elvis movie, they'll encounter Asia in while I was
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watching it. I see one of the characters in
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it, Jimmie, Rodgers snow, the son of Hank Snow who worked with
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Colonel, Parker of people saw the movie or know anything about
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Elvis history. No Hank Snow was he was like the
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biggest country start internationally in the world at
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that time and he's on this tour. Being managed by Colonel Parker
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who became Elvis as manager, Hank Snow and Colonel.
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Parker were both supposed to be Elvis's manager, okay?
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And Hank was, his son was Jimmy and who had an RCA recording
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contract was touring. Then Elvis came on the tour and
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it's kind of an unknown at the time, but became fast friends
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with Jimmy snow. And For several years
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fast-forward to 1995 is I was living in Nashville and I ended
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up working with and getting to know.
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Jimmy Rogers? No.
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Oh wow. It pretty well for about a year.
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He used to close a show every Friday night on the Grand Ole
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Opry called the Grand Old Gospel time and he would have seniors
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who were like on the Opry that night if they want to stay on
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and do some like Faith gospel stuff and then he would do a
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little sermon at the end and that would close the Opera every
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Friday night for like, 30 years. Or so.
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Wow. And so he was kind of considered
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the pastor of the stars of that era anyway.
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I hadn't been in touch with him since that.
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So however long that is a long time but when I saw the movie I
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actually was thinking. I wonder how he's doing.
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Is he okay? Is he alive?
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You know, it wasn't a youngster then.
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So anyways out of curiosity I find them and I connect on
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LinkedIn of all things and we reconnect after all those years
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and I'm like, hey want to come on this podcast, they do for
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work which had nothing to do with faith issues or paranoid.
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Oil or anything, but he told this most amazing story that I
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got goosebumps, ah, how he went from an RCA recording artist
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soon, after that movie would have taken place when he was
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still young to becoming a preacher because of a Divine
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encounter, basically, I don't know if you use those words, but
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it was that kind of story for 63 years, he says, from that day
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on, I've been doing the same thing.
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I've got this mission to do because of this encounter and
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I'll do it till the day I die. Wow, that's amazing, you know.
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And he still on, he's on cable television, doing Bible
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teachings. And yeah, whatever.
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He's still at it, he was even invited to hang out at Graceland
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for weeks at a time. He was going to be in, possibly
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the King Creole movie that was about to come out with Elvis.
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He turned it all down and changed the whole direction of
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his life because of experience. He had.
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Wow, I thought that people need to hear that and I can't play
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that for my work, right? Right, that's amazing.
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What can you say? A.
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I mean if you want to just sort of say a little bit, do you want
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to talk about his Divine encounter?
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What, what was the thing that did it for episode 10?
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Okay? And you can hear it on my
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episode 1, but I'll tell you is so both Street together and
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telling you is I thought, you know what, I know how to do
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podcasts. I I was paying a podcast Studio
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to do one that I would host it work.
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And I've got this empty room at home and I have media
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experience. And even since my media, I've
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booked a tons of speakers. Tons of guests for Live Events
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or speaking to groups. And I just kind of got a knack
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at how to get through to people to see if they'll come to
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something. So anyways, I said, you know,
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I'm just gonna I don't know, see what it'd be like to mechas and
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so I end up, I take a room that should have been a dining room
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in my house. If anybody watches the podcast,
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you can see it right now. But guys, it had wood, floors.
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It's terrible for Anything Audio.
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But yeah, you know, I revamp the room.
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I've got all kinds of soundproofing things all around
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me now. And, you know, No, I did
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lighting or whatever, so I built it myself as kind of fun, and
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then I just my first episode of people watch it.
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It's called Presley to purpose. And I took I basically just came
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on like this by myself and I said, hey, I know this guy and I
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gave a brief her story of how I met him and who he is and his
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life's fascinating. I actually have a couple hours
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of him telling other stories beside.
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This one Johnny Cash is conversion.
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He was involved with. Wow, that's an upcoming one.
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I'll do one day, just from this footage.
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I have that. I haven't used them.
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That I tape. There's a story.
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Freeze. I have I do have on this podcast
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where when he was young, they're from Canada.
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His dad came over doing country music and had hired in a bar in
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Texas and the bar owner, loved him and was kind of like a
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stepdad has worked at a hell. Yeah, I played with them.
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Gave him things to do, and he had a little, he would sing on
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stage as a little cute kid. And cowboy clothes turns out to
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be Jack Ruby, who killed Lee Harvey, Oswald.
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Six Degrees of Separation there. Oh my word is life is so
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interesting to listen to me. So anyways, so yeah, his story
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was that he's young. He's got a recording contract
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with RCA, his dad's most popular singer in country music in the
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world. A member of the Grand Ole Opry
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which is super big deal at the back and that and that time was
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supposed to be the manager of Elvis Presley.
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But the colonel snookered snookered him out of that one.
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Okay, and everything was going Good for him.
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He was at this doesn't sound like a cool thing, but it wasn't
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that back in the day that He adjusted on The Lawrence Welk
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Show where there's no Lawrence Welk Show.
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I remember that sounds, so dumb now, but in the, you know, 50 is
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that was a big deal. That was a huge deal.
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Yeah. So he was on the trajectory up,
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however, he's involved in heavy, heavy drinking, okay, and
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miserable and depressed, which you find out about a lot of
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people's lives, you know, I would call it now people's
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Facebook lives, our social media lies versus, you know, their
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reality, right? So he had a pre Facebook phase,
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he had a nice outward career going and personally personally
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miserable, you know, I think a lot of that comes from just
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people not being grounded spiritually or what our real
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purpose is and I think you'll find it the story over and over
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again with celebrities, you're like, what's the deal with them?
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They have everything. Well they don't, you know, us
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Yahoo's think well, I've got a hole in me somewhere, like, it's
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got to be more than this. Well, it must be success and we
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always have all these rings of success to think.
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We'll, it must be there, but these people went a hit it.
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They're like, nope. That wasn't it, still not happy.
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That's not happy. Like there's no looking and
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searching and trying to figure out what what will fill up that
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hole that's in their soul. Yeah, long story short.
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He's he tells the story of asking this girl out to go to
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the drive-in movie and the Ten Commandments was out.
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She wanted to see it. Remember with Charlton Heston?
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I love that one. Yes, we watch it every Easter.
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Yeah. This was when I was at the
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theater. Okay.
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Early, you know, not just at Easter on TV or whatever.
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Yeah. And he has other things in mind
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and watching a movie and he sure doesn't want to watch The Ten
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Commandments with his Pursuits. She insists.
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And he's really irritated because she actually is watching
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the movie. So he gives up on his other
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endeavors and begins to watch the movie.
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Just at a point. And the episode would say, I
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don't remember exactly. But apparently Charlton Heston
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as Moses says something. I don't remember what it was but
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it struck him about God and God's purpose in our life or the
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call that Moses had that he needs to fulfill or whatever.
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Yeah, and it struck something. Deep in him that shook him up a
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little bit. I don't know the time sequence
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but is within a week or a couple days or whatever where he
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struggling. Now, with direction of his life,
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he ends up his Moment of Truth is a He leaves his home bedroom,
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he still living with his parents goes out in the yard at night
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and he puts a a revolver in his mouth.
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He just wants to end life because of this inner turmoil.
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He's having oh wow. Okay but this Charlton Heston
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movie thing still struck him. As maybe there is purpose, gave
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him a little bit of hope. So he does a dramatic.
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He's on his knees with a pistol cocked into his mouth sit Away
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ssion. Even though he has the whole
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world ahead of them are seeing according to, yeah, how old was
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he about that time? I think he's about 23.
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Okay, remember correctly. Don't like them.
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And now less, you know, he's only like, 20-ish I think or
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whatever back in those days. So he does one of these and
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they, the more stories I do. The more they become a little
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similar. Maybe not that dramatic, but the
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terms a moment, sometimes of God, if you're real Now's the
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Time to let me know, right? Because I'm done.
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And it doesn't have to come to that, but it does come to, what
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does it take a human to say? God, are you real?
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Yeah, if you are I'm willing to go that direction and it seems
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these stories are interesting to me with that.
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Oh yeah, I really do. I feel like I don't really hosts
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a podcast. I just listened to people tell
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stories but, you know, I he didn't hear a voice from heaven
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but something struck him internally and I don't know.
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Yeah, have to go listen to it. He had an epiphany here.
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He had an epiphany in those more.
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Or than an epiphany. And then these stories it
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becomes like. When you hear, let's say
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near-death story out of body experience with people that were
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they all become pretty similar. Yeah, they become a floating
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above the body. I'm going towards a light.
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It was so peaceful. The more stories I hear about
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like this kind of encounter a transformation.
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They really can't put it into words other than it always comes
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out as whether as a moment or within a week of time there is
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like something came over me where like The light bulbs went
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on. Hmm, I could understand the
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world for the first time I place in it.
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I felt joy for the first time. I felt complete peace.
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It was like my for the several times.
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It was like somebody took the dark sunglasses off and I could
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see everything for a while. I noticed the birds chirping.
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I didn't really notice. The grass was green.
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I was looking forward to the day and not dreading a day.
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They all have that in common and then they're not all physical.
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But some are, they'll try to explain it that I I just felt
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some kind of wave of energy, mmm, outside, and within me, go
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through my body and I just knew then that God had entered my
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life and some real way in my life's never been the same.
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And that's pretty much kind of what his story is.
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And he just went right and he actually like, walked back in
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the house dolls. Mommy's going to be a preacher.
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Oh wow, that's amazing. Yeah.
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Moment of clarity there. Something intervened and angel
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or something in his soul or something.
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Obviously. Power bigger than himself said
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listen. You know this isn't it for you.
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We have plans for you. Something gave them hope sounds
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like yeah. Yeah.
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So that's pretty much. That's what said and I think we
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took this off. There's a long way to say, let's
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take this off podcast pretty fast and it's that combination
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is, I'm like people need to hear that.
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And so I thought it out, I wrote out a little thing.
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I made a website and I put on page on the website and on
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Facebook I opened up a page and basically said you know, I've
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lived an interesting life and I've Met some interesting people
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and I've heard some pretty amazing Stories and I'm just
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gonna share them with those are the people who are in willing to
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talk about them in a microphone. Hmm.
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I'm just going to sit and listen to them again and let other
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people hear these stories and not just me.
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And then maybe along the way, I'll meet some people and here's
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some new stories and so much, it's so much fun.
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I have met the most interesting fun people in podcasting.
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I actually had to take a class in See, no, I wasn't like you
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were like off and running in 10 days.
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No, I had to take a class, right?
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But then again, you know, Ed degree in Communications, but I
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don't really use it up till that point and I, you know, I didn't
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wasn't in radio or anything like that and I didn't feel like
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Googling and youtubing every single question I had for hours
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and hours on end. So I'm like, okay I'll take this
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class. It was fantastic.
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And yeah, it helps get me up and running and it's been so much
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fun. It's it's just like it's very I
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just love it. It's like a mini.
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Ted talk, you know, it's very intimate, people share with you
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just really heartwarming interesting or in shocking,
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sometimes stories, and it's just, it's just a nice getaway
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from the realities of the world, right?
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Because everything is so chaotic and everything is just so busy
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all the time and if someone would take your time and just
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sit and listen and learn so much from podcasting to and there's
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something for everyone, broadcasting is exactly what the
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word is. It's so broad.
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Yeah, that You know, you might have it on broadcasting in the
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background, have some like Morning Show on, so you don't
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getting ready for work, so you don't feel alone or something.
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But that's so generic. And yeah, it becomes just this
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Bland thing. Yeah, I don't even watch the
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news anymore. I, to be honest with you and I
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didn't think I'd ever get to that point, but I just got so
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sick of it. I was so sick of the incessant
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negativity. And you know, so my podcast, I
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started it during the pandemic and because I was just I wanted
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something, you know, there's this big looming gray cloud in a
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It just wasn't going away and I'm like, okay, I'm a creative
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person. I want to be positive.
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I want to make something that's going to be positive.
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So that's kind of what kind of got me into podcasting, but it's
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been very fun. But yeah, I don't try not to
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listen to the news because I just, I just don't care for it.
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Like maybe 4 news like for weather or something just for
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like a quick couple minutes. I'm like, nope, I'm done.
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I turn it because I'm just I'm done, right?
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Yep. Yeah podcasting.
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I mean you could have just a certain breed of dog, you're
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interested in. Yeah, that's that's the whole
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group of people who listen to that.
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Whatever's home. I didn't Niche down my podcast.
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I don't know what's your pit. Maybe I should but I just
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because there's just so many different things I like, you
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know, I love, you know, I love talking to celebrities
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entrepreneurs, I have like a mental health segment, I had a
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lot of spirituality people on, I love the Paranormal so you know
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there's just different and I didn't want a niche it down.
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I love interviewing singers too. So it's like okay well what if I
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meet somebody really cool like So it doesn't really fit into my
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podcast, so I just have whoever I'd like on that I think is
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cool. Yeah, my first thought when you
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asked me to be on because I was really impressed at how far out
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we have gas. But so that was a long time ago.
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So my podcast was actually really, really new and I'm like,
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wow, I went from trying to share like some guy who knew Elvis and
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became a preacher to next in line after Mothman.
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That's right. Where I fell into know, I love.
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You know what? So I can kind of get a feel, you
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know, if I want to have a person on the show or not and I just
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knew right away, I don't know the title Leavitt becoming
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Outlaws. I'm like, okay, I'm kind of not
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really into rules. I'm somewhat of a rule breaker
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so I thought, okay, you likes the Paranormal and that brings
00:18:56
me to my question is, what made you?
00:18:59
Well, obviously because of the very interesting stories that
00:19:02
people have regarding religion and spirituality, but did you
00:19:06
have any sort of paranormal experience when you were a young
00:19:10
person growing up? Yeah but let me frame it in this
00:19:12
way so I use the word paranormal which isn't usually used.
00:19:15
Let's say in church circles And now the the subtitle of the
00:19:20
podcast, the niche of it is about three-quarters of
00:19:24
Americans, believe in the Paranormal.
00:19:26
That's a lot of people. And I don't have like the world,
00:19:30
but most of the world would be way higher than that.
00:19:32
We're like, the only ones that are too educated to think
00:19:35
something's going on out there, you know, but they people can
00:19:40
worshipping or involved or trying to appease Spirits.
00:19:43
So, you know, around the world since Humanity, began thousands
00:19:47
and Zere's, yes, yes, but neither man has a screw loose.
00:19:51
Is just a part of our nature through history or something's
00:19:54
going on and why not talk about it?
00:19:57
I guess not. So yeah, the niche though is
00:20:00
three-quarters of Americans believe in the Supernatural or
00:20:03
the Paranormal but that number excludes, like, what I was
00:20:07
talking about people having an encounter with God, so the
00:20:11
Paranormal is usually UFOs. It's very Moscow, singing
00:20:14
activity and ghosts, and things like that.
00:20:17
I grew up in church. I probably have an irrational.
00:20:22
Love all things biblical, scriptural.
00:20:25
I don't have a memory of not reading the Bible and books,
00:20:30
that go along with the Bible, like full encyclopedias from A,
00:20:33
to Z of everything. And what that means, not only
00:20:36
the content, but the countries, they happened in the culture and
00:20:39
the times they were written and the whole context is just been a
00:20:43
part of who I am, but as long as I can remember and then it
00:20:46
wasn't just I was never And a religion.
00:20:48
And that to me, that's like a created thing because I always
00:20:50
felt this is Real Paranormal and then thinking God is real.
00:20:54
Seems to be two separate camps. So what I was when I'm trying to
00:20:57
do is there's hold genres. I called the Christian culture
00:21:01
that they write their they write Christian books which is great.
00:21:04
I just had an amazing woman on yesterday's when 25 books, we
00:21:07
talked about Christmas but we talked about was each character
00:21:10
in The Christmas Story, had a Divine encounter, that's what
00:21:14
Christmas is about like yeah they all have these
00:21:16
Supernatural. Periences be acute nativity
00:21:19
scene. But if you take each one of them
00:21:21
out, they all would have a story to tell and as we talked about
00:21:24
that, but God is Paranormal. So I mean, Bible says of itself
00:21:29
that God is a spirit. Well, that's paranormal.
00:21:32
Scripture says of itself that it's alive and active and can
00:21:37
penetrate people's hearts minds and souls and it's like what?
00:21:41
So even the words in it, if you want to talk about like
00:21:43
Witchcraft and summiting up through some kind of conjuring
00:21:47
of Zen I'm chance. Scripture says well what is it
00:21:50
the words or it's the activity, it invites right?
00:21:55
These forces scripture saying the same thing.
00:21:57
It's saying these words are alive and active, and here's
00:22:00
what they do. And from the very first four
00:22:03
words in this old book in the beginning God, well in the
00:22:06
beginning was the spirit, whether you believe it or not
00:22:09
from beginning to end that. Whether 66 books together,
00:22:13
right? Canon of scripture is the most
00:22:15
paranormal. Oh yeah.
00:22:17
Old stories ever written or comprised.
00:22:20
And if you add to that or have any ounce of belief that that
00:22:24
could be true or God inspired. That's where to me.
00:22:27
The fascination is coming in my whole life, is like, is this
00:22:29
really an old book that grandma has and it's some boring
00:22:32
religion and its rules. Or is this a supernatural being?
00:22:36
That is through styles of years. Adams, delivered, a message
00:22:41
through different times where if it's all come together in this
00:22:43
thing and it tells you what's going on or is it as much?
00:22:46
We need to know with. Forces and the dark Forces that
00:22:49
can trick you and how not to be tricked, how are ya?
00:22:51
And how to look for them? It's all there.
00:22:53
And then everything I hear about falls into those things.
00:22:56
They talk about mediums their stories that mediums in the
00:22:58
Bible. There's, there's a lot of people
00:23:00
that believe that, you know, medium and getting into, that
00:23:03
sort of thing is sort of like, you know, the trickster element
00:23:06
or devil worshipping or whatever.
00:23:08
And I just, of course you can take it to a really bad place of
00:23:13
course. But I just, I don't feel that
00:23:15
way to be really in touch with yourself.
00:23:17
If like everybody has energy, right?
00:23:19
Everybody does and, you know, you have a soul, you have, you
00:23:22
know, within you, if something's not right.
00:23:25
And if something's good or bad and I think it really would help
00:23:29
people. If you kept in touch with that
00:23:30
more and not ignore that your intuition, your, the sharper,
00:23:34
your intuition, I think the better life will be and you
00:23:37
there's like, signs everywhere, you know, if you're open to
00:23:40
that. But I feel like today in today's
00:23:42
world, modern technology and things.
00:23:44
And, you know, everyone's busy with her job.
00:23:47
Some families and everything else and everything is getting
00:23:50
to be. It's like doing away with
00:23:52
logical things. It's like you press a button
00:23:55
because you don't want to use your hand I mean with everything
00:23:57
it's getting to the point where yes technology is good but at
00:24:00
what point when is it going to stop?
00:24:02
Put the phone down and I'm guilty of this and put you know
00:24:05
some of the technology down. Go for a walk out in the woods.
00:24:09
Look around, you take a deep breath.
00:24:11
I mean there are signs and I don't know.
00:24:13
People have gotten a little bit lost along the way trying to
00:24:16
find themselves. And they're trying to figure out
00:24:18
who they are. Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
00:24:20
You say, you know, go take a walk and you see signs and
00:24:23
things, you know, in Scripture, it says God reveals himself in.
00:24:28
Yes, two ways, two ways. One through what would be called
00:24:32
is word or through scripture, you learn about God through
00:24:34
scripture, the other is nature. Hmm.
00:24:37
Like more than nature, the scripture part.
00:24:40
I don't know to be yet to be very honest.
00:24:42
Yeah, I don't know all that much about the Bible.
00:24:44
I mean, I know the obvious stories but I just feel like
00:24:47
People get. So this is how I'm taking it and
00:24:50
this is the right way, and you can't think any other wise,
00:24:54
because if you do you're bad or that's not the right way.
00:24:57
And I don't know, I think it's up to interpretation, to be
00:25:00
honest with you, some things it just depends and it cause it's
00:25:04
just seems like causes so much anxiety and things and I just, I
00:25:07
don't know. It's been used to be the pride
00:25:09
of the most divisive thing. Yes.
00:25:12
Man's ever gotten their hands on.
00:25:14
Yeah. But think about it, there's a
00:25:16
reason for that. But it's still the best seller
00:25:19
ever. Here's what I would say is
00:25:21
anything in man's hands. No two people are going to agree
00:25:24
on anything. No, right I have this pain.
00:25:27
You may not agree with this but this is my thought is if this is
00:25:30
divinely inspired, I'm convinced it is.
00:25:33
Yeah and not just because someone told me it was yes I've
00:25:37
had spiritual experiences because of it but there's also
00:25:41
enough study and to it that it just couldn't be written by
00:25:44
human intellect. Yeah, pray.
00:25:46
Let me go on to say that if it True in this divinely-inspired,
00:25:49
what is of itself is that that God is wanting a one-on-one
00:25:54
relationship with people. And then if done properly, you
00:25:59
wouldn't even need people to teach you because God, or what
00:26:03
would say? The holy spirit is a teacher and
00:26:05
can guide people. So, like in the psychic world or
00:26:08
Spirit mediums and things where they believe, they have a, like,
00:26:12
a spirit guide helping and guiding them and even writing
00:26:15
books for them, through them, and all this.
00:26:17
And of thing. Well holy the Bible supposed to
00:26:20
be that the Holy Spirit had worked through men to write
00:26:22
these words. Yes, the Holy Spirit Will direct
00:26:25
and teach you. What these words mean where it
00:26:27
gets corrupted, is what other men are trying to teach you and
00:26:30
interpretation. Right?
00:26:31
I agree. I agree.
00:26:33
Yeah. So if people I believe every
00:26:35
human being the 7 billion on the planet or whatever were to be
00:26:38
alone in a room and honestly asked God, but the one question
00:26:43
a lot of people asked on my podcast or, and their story is,
00:26:45
are you real Versus just a religion, trying to make me live
00:26:50
a moral code or whatever. Are you real?
00:26:53
Is this real and what does it mean, what?
00:26:56
I'm reading. Hmm, if that happened, I believe
00:27:00
and I think scripture would back up because it's just the Holy
00:27:03
Spirit, teaching a human Spirit. What this stuff means it all
00:27:07
come out with the exact same information.
00:27:09
It's people's egos, it their Traditions.
00:27:12
Yeah it's and it goes on and on that divide and then you could
00:27:17
struggle Your shoulders and say, well then, who cares?
00:27:19
Because it's just complicated, there's too many people have
00:27:21
messed it up too much. I don't figure stuff out of my
00:27:24
own. Well, we all live and die, turn
00:27:25
to dust and billions of people have tried to figure stuff out
00:27:28
on their own. So to me, my advice to people is
00:27:30
just you don't have to like Bo the scholar and learn stuff but
00:27:34
you know, like just ask some simple questions but that little
00:27:37
time away was was true because if it is true, there's Eternal
00:27:41
consequences and what you'll find and I think you already
00:27:45
know is that doesn't exclude Well, if I believe the Bible, I
00:27:48
don't believe all these other paranormal stuff.
00:27:50
It's saying, all the Paranormal stuff is true.
00:27:52
I don't think it's either our, I think it goes hand-in-hand and
00:27:56
and the book itself is Paranormal God's paranormal.
00:27:58
Yes. And so what you'll find in my
00:28:01
podcast, basically, I talked yesterday, you had some cool
00:28:05
people on your podcast. You had some really cool people
00:28:08
because I wanted to mention that you had.
00:28:10
I think it's fabulous that you had her on Amy scobie.
00:28:13
Who was she was like what in charge of Scientology and charge
00:28:17
of getting you know, a recruiting people.
00:28:20
Yeah, I mean that whole thing. Oh my gosh.
00:28:23
So she was in Scientology 27 years.
00:28:27
Yeah. She's pretty much raised in it.
00:28:30
She was in that organization that they sign a billion-year
00:28:34
contract. Yeah.
00:28:36
A billion years. So when a billion years is over
00:28:39
you you're out but I guess so yeah.
00:28:41
Okay you do after that. I don't know either, probably
00:28:44
tired. Take a long nap.
00:28:47
Tire. Yeah, and then she worked her
00:28:49
way up to working with the other Executives.
00:28:53
She was a main executive, the entire organization, which is a
00:28:56
multi-billion dollar organization, tax-exempt
00:28:59
organization. Yep.
00:29:00
They have money up the Wazoo. Yeah.
00:29:02
And you really can't leave at that level and she ran the same
00:29:08
time for the celebrity center. So yeah, she was in charge of
00:29:12
ordering and hiring all of like Tom Cruise's people that you
00:29:16
know they Supply Him and never seen her on Leah remini's show.
00:29:20
And yeah, she was in the first episode.
00:29:22
Yeah, talking about Tom Cruise and I thought, oh gosh, some of
00:29:26
that came inspired Leah, Remini, as I understand it to put that
00:29:30
together. After a me, a come out with book
00:29:32
abuse at the top. Hmm.
00:29:34
So I thought that was super Brave.
00:29:36
I mean that her book was called Scientology abuse at the top and
00:29:39
it shows David miss. The president took him in
00:29:42
miscavige. Choking, another executive cats,
00:29:45
the cover of our book. If anyone knows anything about
00:29:49
scientology, that that doesn't go well.
00:29:52
I mean, they can hurt you financially, by endless money
00:29:55
for lawsuits, they harassed, you people don't?
00:29:58
I mean, it's rumored that they got the tax exemption because
00:30:01
the IRS individually for scared of them, the hassle of their
00:30:04
families and their kids, you know, that's what I read.
00:30:07
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:07
Maybe we better go to a different topic.
00:30:12
Yeah. So no I want it.
00:30:13
I want to check out that episode that you had of her on there
00:30:16
that sounds so Eating, and you also had John Schneider on and
00:30:20
he was, I remember him in the Dukes of Hazzard.
00:30:23
And, yeah, he talked about his Divine encounter and how that he
00:30:26
had a movie come out to was called To Die For I think.
00:30:29
But yeah, that's his latest next, we talked about, he has a,
00:30:33
I don't know, like a 63 or something acre ranch.
00:30:36
I think it's a now, he moved out to California years ago and he's
00:30:39
I think it's Louisiana, I don't know, but he has his own rant,
00:30:42
in recording studio there and he just records whatever he wants.
00:30:46
That one happened to be a patriotic.
00:30:47
The he does, primarily faith-based movies these days
00:30:51
case and yeah, mine f. One of my nephew's.
00:30:53
He said he was at my son's birthday party and he goes, hey,
00:30:57
I saw, I'd like a picture that that was coming out.
00:30:59
Yeah, I saw your having the dad of Superman on from Smallville.
00:31:06
So I told John Schneider I said, get out to a lot of people, they
00:31:08
don't know. You're right, you know, yes, had
00:31:11
25 country albums with five. Really one.
00:31:14
Are you know that? Oh, wow, this guy.
00:31:17
Hi. Is everything yeah like in the
00:31:19
80s? Okay.
00:31:20
Yeah and I don't know if you know Keith Whitley, he died a
00:31:22
long time ago but he's an old. He's not all time is like a
00:31:26
tease but it was a country music.
00:31:27
I really like I said yeah I've heard his name.
00:31:29
Yeah, the John Schneider. I said, I really like your
00:31:32
style. Your voice is like Keith Whitley
00:31:33
and he's like, oh, he recorded one of my songs.
00:31:36
This guy is a real country guy. Yeah, writer in the nice and
00:31:40
singer and I almost feel bad that's totally under the radar.
00:31:43
But yeah, you know I sent my nephew only knows you as all
00:31:46
bills, a super And dad. He's like, that's okay how it
00:31:50
is. I feel my age.
00:31:52
I just remember him out of that. Black car getting in the Dukes
00:31:56
of Hazzard. Cover.
00:31:57
Oh my gosh. And it's really interesting.
00:31:59
He talks about he came to Faith by living with Johnny Cash.
00:32:04
Yeah, I, uh, I got to have him on my show.
00:32:06
Maybe you can help me with that. Yeah, I can help him.
00:32:08
I would love that. Love it.
00:32:10
All right. Well, gosh, I could sit here and
00:32:12
talk to you all day about these very interesting stories in your
00:32:15
podcast, but yeah, why don't you Let people know, let people
00:32:19
know, give yourself a plug where people could find you and or
00:32:22
even if they want to come on your show.
00:32:23
Yeah. The easiest is just giving a
00:32:26
website I guess cuz you can Branch off from there.
00:32:29
Sure. So it's at coming Outlaws.com,
00:32:32
pretty easy. And I put all the videos there
00:32:35
and you know there's the about information in the linked to
00:32:38
feel like you it's on probably every major.
00:32:41
Yeah I'm cast platform. I throw them on YouTube because
00:32:44
their video and have been hanging out a lot on Spotify
00:32:46
because Spotify do Has a video as well.
00:32:49
Okay. Yeah I'm trying to decide if I'm
00:32:51
going to bring it out to video for now.
00:32:53
It's just audio broadcast but then I would have to edit the
00:32:55
ark. That's a thing but you can do
00:32:57
what I do as far as like I just throw it up.
00:33:00
I throw a trucker hat on done. Very worried about outfits.
00:33:05
Are lonely. Right?
00:33:06
Ready for trucker hat on all the time?
00:33:08
Okay, well, that'll work for you.
00:33:10
I don't know. I don't have to spend hours in
00:33:12
the makeup on. I don't know, I don't know.
00:33:15
Well, it's been so much fun having you on.
00:33:16
Can I do? I'd love to have you on again,
00:33:18
if you would like to come on. Absolutely.
00:33:20
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Thank you.
00:33:22
You have a good rest of the week and take care of yourself.
00:33:25
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