Despite appearing to be a gentle, humble, and peaceful religious group, there are underlying issues within the Amish community. Eli Yoder, a former Amish member turned truck-driving preacher, delves into the realities of Amish life, their belief system, and instances of abuse. The discussion also covers misleading doctrines in various cults and religions, while exploring the true essence of biblical Christianity. Be advised that some of the content may be shocking and unsettling. Eli Yoder Youtube @eliyoder491 facebook.com/eli.yoder.33 TikTok yodertoter40 Instagram amishdog34 Becoming Outlaws w/ Ken McMullen becomingoutlaws.com facebook.com/becomingoutlaws TikTok becoming_outlaws Instagram becomingoutlaws
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Amish Abyss. Before I get started, please
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So what about the Amish? I've been wanting to do a
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program on the Amish really since I started and I'm just
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getting around to it. You may know, well, you may know
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that they make great furniture, you know, and I'm from the
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Midwest and you drive in Ohio or Pennsylvania and they're along
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the side of the road out of traffic heading to the store or
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whatever they're doing. And what a peaceful life,
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serene. Here's a little background
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before we get started. The Amish are religious and
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cultural group. They're primarily in the US,
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Canada, but they came from Europe originally.
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They're known mainly for, as I was saying, simple living, a
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plain simple dress and a reluctance to adopt modern
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technology and its conveniences. They are descendants of Swiss
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and a Baptists and adhere to the teachings of Jacob, Amen and and
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a Baptist leader. And that's how they got their
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name. So, you know, they stand,
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they're Christian. You'd consider them Protestant.
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However they add the teachings of this Jacob guy, which comes,
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that's where the amiss comes from.
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Whenever you add a whole lot of rules and regulations on top of
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Christianity and you're outside the law, something's going to go
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down. That's what we're going to talk
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about from the outside. Like I said, it's kind of
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romanticism. It's a nice, quiet life helping
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each other. I don't want to be
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stereotypical, but, you know, building barns and milking cows
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and whatever. Or is it?
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We're going to find out. Today.
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We're going to discuss if there's something amiss with the
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Amish. And my sister has been telling
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me to get Eli Yoder on this program ever since I started
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doing the podcast. I'm like, when I get the Amish,
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I'll see her, whatever. And I looked them up and we've
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got them. He left the Amish at 18 and he
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does video blog. This guy has a million and a
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half TikTok followers and he's a I guess, preacher and he came
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out of the Amish community and he's helping others get out of
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the community. The community and his digital
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social media world is based on exposing what he calls a man
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made religion and beliefs that are not Bible based.
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So here we go. Welcome Eli.
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Thank you very much for having me on.
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Hey, thanks for coming out. I'm excited.
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So did I explain in my brief high level overview, is that
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pretty accurate of Amish history?
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Amish life from the outside? Yes, yeah, yeah.
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You explained it right to a tee. It's pretty accurate.
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I mean, there's a lot of different types of Amish as of
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2023 because the original system.
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Started, you know in the 17th century when they came over as
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the Anna Baptist from Switzerland and you know Jacob
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Almond, he, he would shun his own family because what he
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wanted to do his own thing. So he wrote what is called the
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articles of faith and there's some scripture in that.
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You know I call it cherry picking the scriptures.
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So he wrote what was the first ordinance and he started
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followers. And since then it's been well
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more than 250 Amish now. And there's more than 2000
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settlements of Amish and they all.
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Have, you know, break away from the original system because they
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might not agree. So then they start their own
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community with their own rules. They'll vote on.
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As long as they vote on agreements with the majority of
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the group, they'll sign off on it.
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And then that's what you got to follow in that community.
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And if you don't agree with it, then you got to move on and
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maybe join another community or start your own.
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So there's a lot of new ones that just started this year in
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2023. So on a backup, on a higher
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level, under the Amish umbrella is Mennonites, which are
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probably pretty different, right?
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They seem more modern, They can wear colored clothes and maybe
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have a cell phone and whatnot. What makes the and, if I've got
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this right, the traditional Amish more separated over more
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of the rules and the shunning of people where the Mennonites seem
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to have a little more flexibility in living.
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Is that right? Is that kind of the main
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differences? Yes, yeah, they're they're way
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more flexible. They don't have as many rules.
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But yet most of the Mennonites still do operate under an
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ordinance and they do still practice like what's called
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shunning or excommunication to make somebody feel shameful for
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breaking some rules, according to the church.
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And but they're the same as the Amish, though, where you have
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not the original Mennonites. The way they started, like they
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had a lot of splits, a lot of disagreements, just like the
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Amish. So they'll have.
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Different levels of Mennonites. You got the Black Bumper
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Mennonites. You got the Mennonites that are
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called like the Beachy Mennonites.
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I've interviewed even people that come out of these
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communities and I thought what was interesting when I got to
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speaking to some of these former Mennonites is they have a a
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name. It's like a a Bishop's name or a
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pastor's name. Beachy Mennonite like the Amish
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have the 8 church. The the Beachy Amish.
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There's also say Beachy Amish just like the Mennonites, but
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they all at one time were attached to that same branch.
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But then they split off so many different times, some keep the
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name, some start new names. And this interesting to me
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because what about Jesus? What about following Christ and
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and following the truth in the Bible?
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Because you're following what man established rather than the
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truth in the Bible. OK, so I want to get into a
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little bit of the doctrine or the beliefs and then the
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differences of pure Christianity.
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But in the day in the life of so you're considered an older
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order. And does that mean that you stay
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as strict to the original Jacob Amman rules in in procedures?
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That is correct than more modern ones.
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Yes, Yeah, we would have been considered what?
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Well, they practice what they believe is the original articles
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of faith. What was in that?
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That's what they try to stick with.
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That's why we called ourselves Old Order Amish.
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And we, even our church, actually rejected and didn't
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fellowship with any of the New Order Amish.
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That allowed like Rumish bringing a season of running
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around, exploring the world. So they wouldn't have nothing to
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do with them. Now, there is a group called
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Schwartz and Trooper Amish that is almost identical the way we
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were, but we didn't take that name.
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We didn't like that name. We just went with the original
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old order system. Wow.
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So on an average day outside of the the belief system, what was
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your day like? What time do you get up?
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What do you do? How much school did you do?
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How many cows did you milk? I mean, don't be stereotypical,
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but what was the day as an Amish kid growing up?
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4:30 in the morning you heard the the broom hitting the
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floorboards underneath your because we were us boys always,
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always slept upstairs. There's ten of us.
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And so you heard that that was time to get up.
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So you we had to get up and start milking cows.
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That's the first thing you did. You had to milk all the cows.
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I had two that were assigned to me.
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And then you go around, you feed and you feed all the other
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animals. And as soon as that's done, you
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go in the my mom and my sisters had the breakfast ready.
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And at the breakfast table, that's when you get all the
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assignments for the day. You know, one brother goes here
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and does this. Maybe one of them gets sent out
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into the Amish community to do a barn racing.
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So one of them goes plows and the other one goes and helps the
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neighbor. And yet, you know, there's
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always there's an assignment for.
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That's why they like having a lot of kids, because you get,
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you sound like you're. Get the farming done.
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You sound like you're stereotyping Amish, but that
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really is an Amish life. We're gonna raise another barn
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and build the cows and. And you really had to milk the
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cows, right? I mean, you could not milk them.
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It wasn't just for milk. You had to physical or
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physically hurt the cows. Isn't that right?
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Oh yes, absolutely. In the morning they had to be
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milked, and in the evening if you didn't, they can get an
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infection. And what age are we talking
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about? Yeah, As soon as you're strong
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enough to do so, then that I was at age 7 because And you really
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try your best because at age 7 you're told that if you can milk
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cows, you're not also strong enough to have your own horse
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and buddy, where you can guide the horse and be on your own.
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Did you have a childhood? Or as soon as you could milk a
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cow, you're milking cows and did.
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You can go down the highway with it, no.
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So if you grew up in a culture, which you did, so I'm thinking
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hypothetically, if I grew up in a culture that didn't have like
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growing years and playing with toys really or whatever, you
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were a worker because you were alive and that's what kids were.
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Did you know you were missing out or something?
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So if you didn't have all play time around you in playgrounds,
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is there something innate in a kid that like, I'm missing
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something? Or if you don't have those
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things, do you just you just don't know the difference?
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Well, we knew the English neighbors.
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We had a lot of other, not not much people around us.
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We we saw what they were doing. We we really looked up to that.
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We wanted to be at a playground, ride a bike like they were.
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So we saw all those kind of things.
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So we knew it was out there. And that's obviously what I was
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craving at a young age. I was, I was really looking up
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to those kind of people driving a car and riding a bike.
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Those were things were that that I was interested in.
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Couldn't ride a bike, right? And then sometimes so on the
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outside. I think of like Amish as well
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electronics, but it went way beyond that.
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I mean, you weren't allowed to ride a bike which was not
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electronic at all. It was just a rule.
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Right. Yeah, that was just a church
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rule. I mean, there's a lot of Amish
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that ride bikes. I I went all the way up to
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taking the classes for baptism just before I left the Amish and
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I got caught riding a bike the the English neighbors bike and I
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got disqualified for baptism for that.
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And right after that, I left. Disqualified for baptism for
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riding a bike. Yes, I don't want to be
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disrespectful, but you know, now that's nutty, right?
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Yes, absolutely. Well, the reason they couldn't
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stand me. I questioned them because we had
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a newer style Amish 20 minutes up the road that rode bikes.
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And I remember when he told me that that would send you to
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hell, that I can't get baptized down for the rule wouldn't
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please God. I remember questioning him like,
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hey, the ones that are up the road, those Amish, they're
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claiming to still go to heaven. They got bikes.
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Oh, they said. Do as you're told.
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Don't question us? Yeah, as soon as I consider.
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There's so many wide definitions of cult, I consider a cult out
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of scripture that says any belief that denies really Jesus
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is God in the flesh is a doctrine of demons.
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Well, that's not the Amish. Amish have a Christian
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Protestant doctrine. However, when you're all man
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made rules you're going down the wrong road and it seems to me
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when you don't have the fruits of the spirit, which the Amish
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community doesn't seem. And I guess I'm speaking way
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general terms so you can correct me.
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They look gentle, but it seems like a righteousness for show.
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And that what you hear is that under that the reason I said
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Amish amiss or something amiss going on.
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And that when you have manmade rules and their penalties for
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this, deciding who goes to hell. And not not based on the
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acceptance of Christ, salvation and sacrifice for you, but based
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on riding a bike or leaving our community whenever it's shunning
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and you're kicked out of family and whatnot.
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That's when I go ahead and I I put that in the cult arena when
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you exclude separate and has nothing to do with the love of
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Christ, but it's under religion. Yes, yeah, I agree with you
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100%. I mean I always say this when
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they want to control somebody. By the way, shunning is not even
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biblical. I mean it's it's unchrist like
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you know to to go out there and try to shun somebody that
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disagrees with your theology that it that is not in the
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Bible. It's it's man made organized
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religion. Now there's a lot of New Order,
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Hamish, that are way more open to talk about why they do what
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their beliefs are. But the original system, the old
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order, where I come from, they get very disturbed when you
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speak to outsiders about their system and how the church
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operates, how you got to confess your sins before the church.
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They don't want that stuff to leak out.
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And I remember recently there's some former Hamish that said
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that before they left. They were talking about me, the
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elders were and they were saying, you know how there's a
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lot of people like me, former Amish, that are now making
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awareness and speaking out. Boy, they did not like that
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because they're before. Before there was former Amish,
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nobody was really exposing the system within the church.
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But they are very good at putting on a show.
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They like to use the Christian label like a lot of religious
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people do and therefore outside looking in, they look very kind,
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loving. They make the great food, They
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make awesome crafts. They have quality construction.
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They do. Everybody loves how the Amish
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portray themselves. But when you talk about the
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nittygritty in the side of the church, that is when it all
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changes. Yeah.
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And if people listening are thinking, well, you're just,
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those are other people's beliefs.
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You're being judgmental. They can.
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People can believe and live how they want to live.
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But I think what we haven't hit on yet is, and part of the
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shunning is you can't live how you want to live.
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You can't leave. And if you do leave, well, you
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can't. As a kid.
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You can't support yourself. If you leave when you're 18 like
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you did, you're kind of excommunicated.
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They believe you are going to hell, right?
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Yes, absolutely. I was even told that and it
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comes down to the type of collar, the the kind of clothes
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you wear, being in the world. It has nothing to do with
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Scripture and what you know. I ain't no theologian, but I
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spent time in ministry, whether with adults or I've been a
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professor to Christian college and I've worked with youth.
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When I was younger, I always went by one principle as a
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guideline where scripture says that you can make manmade rules.
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Don't taste, don't touch. Don't do this.
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And it scripture itself says manmade rules have no value, no
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value. And and then the scripture later
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says if you learn to live by the spirit, you don't fulfill the
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desires of the flesh. So the whole thing is if you're
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listening from the outside and this is my concern for not just
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like Amish people, I get angry as I think you do with organized
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religion. There's always abuse in it.
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It's controlling. It's very close to the cult
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world because people don't know they're duped.
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But even take a step back, I'm very concerned and I have people
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kind of share their testimony. Like not only did you grow up in
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a Christian Church, but when did you become a Christian And that
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like confuses people. But you can be under the
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umbrella of a church that says Christian.
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You can, as you know, you can be in a denomination that says
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Christian and you can be in a Christian socalled family.
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But that's a label. A Christian is being born again.
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And so, and if you're born again, you're living by the
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Spirit and you have patience. I mean, nobody's perfect as
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you're not living like that all the time.
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But as a culture and a church setup, it's not made on fear and
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control. So you having grown up in a
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Christian environment, so much so that the whole lifestyle is
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based on simplicity and simplity and being holy and Christ like
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and this and that. But yet it sounds like you don't
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feel like you became a Christian till later.
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So how would you explain the difference?
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Well, at that time, growing up in and I thought that was true
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Christianity at a young age, I believed everything I was
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taught. I thought we were special in
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God's eyes. I even would have defended them
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most of my Amish life because I thought, well, surely God would
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favor us because we got more rules than even other Amish.
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So it became like a priveful kind of attitude.
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And so when I left, I'll be honest with you my thinking I
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didn't. I did not admit it to anybody at
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the time, but I thought when I left I thought I would go to
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hell. I thought that was the only
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Christian way. And so that's why I ran from God
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for 19 years. You know, I did.
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I lived how I wanted. I I thought if I just lived
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however I wanted before I do go to hell, at least it'd be better
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than what I was in. Because I went through.
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I went through some bad stuff, if you know all of my testimony,
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if you go watching me online. But so by 2017 I finally read an
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English written Bible. During reading that Bible in the
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book of John is where I got saved.
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It changed my entire life. But in the original system of
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Amish you are not allowed to have Bible studies.
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We were forbidden to have an English written Bible and so the
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the 1522 Martin Luther Bible is what we were forced to read.
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But you can't interpret it on your by yourself.
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You have to ask the elders. You go to the church elders and
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if you question how they interpret it.
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You're a bad guy. You you can't question because
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they're they're the top authority, they're the Bishop,
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the beacon, the elders. So you know you just don't have
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no biblical truth. And when you don't allow
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biblical truth, then John chapter 83031 and 32 can't
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happen where it says if you know the truth, the truth shall set
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you free. Yeah, even though that Bible
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says of itself that you won't even need a teacher because the
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Holy Spirit will teach you all things and then all truth, but
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you can't even. So that's what people on the
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outside don't see in these things, I think.
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Well, that's a Christian group. Really.
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Well, does a Christian group keep the Christian Bible away
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from people and learning it? No.
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I talked to Mormons and on on this program and they all say
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the same thing. Like, well, I'll say, how did
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you come to faith? You thought you were a
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Christian, but you realize you weren't.
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They said, well, I snuck away and read the New Testament and I
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realized that's not the Book of Mormon, That's not what I knew
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my whole life. And and they do what you do.
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They they're mad at the system, but they care for the people.
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So when we talk about the Amish people, I'm not putting people
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down. It's because you care about the
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people still there that don't know.
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And you have family there, I'd imagine.
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Yes, yes, I I've went out and I've read, by the way, when I
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first got set free, I'm a truck driver.
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So I was in my truck the day when I got saved.
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And it transformed me. I got so hungry I went up more
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and I just kept reading. And by that weekend, I could not
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contain myself. I said, you know, if I receive
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it this way, I know my mom probably will.
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So I'm excited. You know, I put all my Amish
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clothing, parked my car next door, follow all the rules that
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she told me I must do if I come out to visit.
00:19:20
And I remember sitting down with my Bible open.
00:19:22
And I I shared every verse about salvation in Jesus Christ.
00:19:25
I didn't get very far. And she cut me off.
00:19:28
She reminded me that anybody of the world that claims to be
00:19:31
saved has already been very prideful and deceived by the
00:19:34
devil and so she was not willing to receive salvation.
00:19:38
But yet I said, Mom, you know if you open your German Bible, I
00:19:42
have, I have matched it side by side.
00:19:44
The German Martin Luther and the English, I said it's in German.
00:19:50
She says, well, I have to go ask the elders about it, but the
00:19:52
elders always say that if you say you're your saves.
00:19:55
You've already been deceived by the devil.
00:19:56
I mean it. Just the veil.
00:19:58
The veil was still there and I just couldn't convince.
00:20:00
Are the services Are the services in German?
00:20:04
All of them have to be in German.
00:20:06
Yes. Wow.
00:20:08
Wow. That's old school.
00:20:09
That is old school. Yes.
00:20:12
Yeah. You know, and I feel like I'm
00:20:14
really coming down, but it it riles me up these topics with
00:20:19
these groups because it's so deceptive.
00:20:23
These people like you, spending your whole life in childhood,
00:20:26
try to follow rules to please God when it's doing the opposite
00:20:31
because it's only taking away from what Christ did.
00:20:37
Like we can add nothing to what he did.
00:20:40
But yet these religions call themselves Christianity and all
00:20:43
it is, is acting like Christ, perfect life and his sacrifice
00:20:49
were not enough for you. You have to finish it.
00:20:53
You have to not ride a bike. You have to wear this blue shirt
00:20:56
and button it up or what. It's so ridiculous and full of
00:21:02
arrogance. Yes, yeah, it's it's truly, you
00:21:07
know what is that? 2 Corinthians 3141516.
00:21:11
It talks about when the Law of Moses is read, The veil lies
00:21:14
over their eyes and over their heart and only it can only be
00:21:17
revealed through Christ Jesus. So.
00:21:20
Here's what it's going to come down to for any of those
00:21:22
religious groups. Not just why people the Amish,
00:21:24
but once they put their faith in Jesus Christ and believe in
00:21:28
their hearts that it was truly finished at the cross, then the
00:21:31
Holy Spirit can come in and work with a mustard seed sized faith.
00:21:35
But if they have their hearts hardened against God and they
00:21:37
say we must follow the rules and they depend on their own self
00:21:40
righteousness, it's just always going to remain a veil.
00:21:42
Yeah, So what we've talked up to this point is theological.
00:21:49
It's doctrinal. And if that doesn't concern some
00:21:52
people listening, let's go a little deeper into If you're
00:21:56
living by strict rules that people can adhere to and we're
00:21:59
all human, and if you're not living by the Spirit, then you
00:22:02
are living by the desires of your flesh.
00:22:03
But you're in a community where you can't admit it and people
00:22:07
really can't help you, and you're not allowed to go to
00:22:11
authorities if things happen. So there are abuses in places
00:22:17
like the Amish, but how widespread is it?
00:22:19
And what kind of criminality is actually there because of their
00:22:23
disconnect with normal law enforcement?
00:22:29
Well-being being cut off to society, which they believe you
00:22:32
must be separate from the world, that they look at everything
00:22:35
else of the world outside the Amish church.
00:22:38
So since they are so cut off to society as the church system in
00:22:42
itself and how they operate and how they deal with crimes, since
00:22:45
that is so secret and and I still, I always say thank God
00:22:49
for our constitution and our freedom of religion.
00:22:51
You can practice whatever religion you want in the United
00:22:54
States but it should never those freedoms should never be used to
00:22:57
then hide evil. And because they are so cut off
00:23:00
from society, there are lots of crimes that.
00:23:04
I didn't realize how bad it was because I that's all I was used
00:23:07
to. Then when I left and I'm seeing
00:23:09
the same kind of crimes on the news and I see, you know,
00:23:12
hearings. I'm hearing the radio.
00:23:14
I had an XM radio when I first became a truck driver.
00:23:17
And I remember the first time that I heard somebody that had
00:23:20
reoffended as a sexual predator that got like 30-40 years in
00:23:25
prison. And I remember I listened to
00:23:27
that interview and how justice is served out here and it that's
00:23:31
when it dawned on me. Wow.
00:23:33
I remember my own uncle more than 15 times.
00:23:37
Had he done the same crime and he was forgiven.
00:23:40
If you show remorse, you go before the church on your knees.
00:23:43
You confess that sin to the Bishop of the church, you are
00:23:46
voted on to be forgiven. You will go through a shunning
00:23:49
period for maybe six weeks. But when you're voted to be
00:23:52
forgiven, you cannot bring that back up.
00:23:54
So these victims are in the same homes as some of these
00:23:57
perpetrators. And they can easily recommit
00:24:00
that crime because there's no true justice.
00:24:03
But the Amish system protects that individual that wants to
00:24:06
remain Amish. Now if you want to break away
00:24:09
like I did and you had committed that, they have no problem
00:24:12
calling the cops on that individual because now you no
00:24:14
longer want to be part of their system.
00:24:16
They will not protect you. But as long as you want to be
00:24:18
committed to the Amish church you they will be forgiven.
00:24:21
There's no court, no DA, no judge, no justice system.
00:24:25
There's none of that in the Amish.
00:24:26
There's no jail in the Amish. It is 100% you have to forgive.
00:24:30
And by the way, if any victim brings that back up, they are
00:24:33
they get more weeks of shunning than the actual perpetrator.
00:24:37
Yeah, because it's forgiven. Forget and and the punishments
00:24:43
they sound, well, at least they're doing a little
00:24:45
something, a little slap on the wrist.
00:24:46
But they're the same or not even worse.
00:24:50
Like if you they got caught riding a bicycle or something,
00:24:52
right? I mean, we're not talking.
00:24:55
They take these legalistic rules is more important that represent
00:25:01
holiness, that are nonsense like how you buttoned your shirt or
00:25:06
whatever to pedophilia or incest and all this stuff that's going
00:25:11
on beastiality. I mean, I'm not going too far to
00:25:15
say that's happening, right? Because the Amish kids aren't
00:25:19
educated. Well, I did a video on that one
00:25:22
time because I had. Several former Amish that were
00:25:25
baptized and they were sitting through the confessions and then
00:25:28
they left. I I disqualified for baptism, so
00:25:30
I didn't get to sit through some of those confessions.
00:25:32
But after speaking with them, they were telling me that the
00:25:35
number one confessed sins that they heard confessed before the
00:25:39
church was actually bestiality. And I did a video at that time
00:25:43
on TikTok. They got over 4 million views
00:25:44
because people had no idea that Amish men would do such a thing.
00:25:48
But that's something that is so rampant among the old order.
00:25:53
That there's no control over. It's like, hey, Oh well, it's
00:25:56
just an animal. Let's just vote on to forgiving
00:25:58
and you got maybe two weeks in the band and it's over with.
00:26:03
Yeah, I don't think people have any idea, and I don't want to
00:26:06
put anybody under an umbrella. But anytime it's legalism and a
00:26:13
separation in handling illegal activity internally is a
00:26:20
problem. Jehovah's Witness does the same
00:26:23
kind of thing. People coming out of there just
00:26:25
saying, you know, they're abused as children or this or that, and
00:26:30
nobody. It never go to the police.
00:26:33
Yeah, it's hard. It's heartbreaking.
00:26:35
So how do you? The the we were, we were
00:26:38
forbidden for calling the the law as well so we we actually
00:26:42
had a very at my young age we had a physically abusive father
00:26:45
so. We were told we couldn't go, you
00:26:47
know, to outside law enforcement because the church has to handle
00:26:50
that. So because of that system, you
00:26:52
know you can if if you use fear not to call the worldly people,
00:26:56
then you just stay there and put up with them.
00:26:59
You know, I've, I've studied a lot of religions and cults and
00:27:03
stuff and honestly I haven't looked at that much into this
00:27:05
Jake Obama guy. But, so I could be wrong in this
00:27:09
instance, but in a lot of instance, whether it's Joseph
00:27:11
Smith with the Latter Day Saints or whatever, what you'll find
00:27:14
out is a lot of these rules these guys make up the Socalled
00:27:18
Prophets is so they can be away from the law and live and have
00:27:23
either tons of wives or they can be with children or animals in
00:27:26
the barn and nobody do anything about it and it becomes a
00:27:30
religion. Yes.
00:27:32
Anybody get me fired up saying that that was a truth bomb right
00:27:34
there? It was a truth bomb.
00:27:36
It's by some person that should not have been free in society
00:27:41
that found a way under religion to not only become rich and tax
00:27:47
free, but to live every perversion he ever wanted.
00:27:50
And he just calls it a revelation by an Angel or
00:27:52
whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's quite it's
00:27:55
alarming with with some of those And I always have to say look,
00:27:58
not all Amish are this way. When I get into the good, the
00:28:01
bad and the ugly within the system of the church there is a
00:28:04
lot of good Amish out there. I always want to mix that in
00:28:07
because I've had a lot of very good hearted loving Amish reach
00:28:10
out to me that allow phones now and and because society does
00:28:13
change. And I always give them credit.
00:28:16
If you're doing the right thing and you have mandated reporting
00:28:19
and you report all crimes to law enforcement, good for you.
00:28:22
God bless you for doing the right thing.
00:28:23
But I'm not throwing you under the bus with my system where I
00:28:26
come from. But that will not stop me from
00:28:28
exposing the religious ones that are dangerous.
00:28:30
Yeah. And if you know the truth, see
00:28:32
if you agree with me on this, Eli.
00:28:33
I feel like I'm a Christian and no one has to agree with that.
00:28:38
I'm not going to put anybody down for not having my beliefs.
00:28:40
That's what I believe. But I'm so secure and sure of
00:28:44
it. It's truth that I'm willing to
00:28:47
listen to and be exposed to what anybody else has to say.
00:28:51
And if they'll let me share what I have to say, I would net I
00:28:56
have a college son who's really into philosophy or whatever.
00:29:00
And I know other people that would have like Christian
00:29:04
parents that don't study that stuff.
00:29:06
You know, it's a lot of it's atheist or whatever.
00:29:08
But I said study it all, Read it all.
00:29:11
Because I'm 100% sure that when you circle back, you're going to
00:29:15
come back because there's only one truth and only one thing
00:29:18
that makes sense and I don't have any insecurities about it.
00:29:22
And all of these cults or religions that label themselves
00:29:27
as a major religion and change the doctrine and hide like we're
00:29:31
a Christian group and you can't read the Bible.
00:29:33
It's crazy. Would they have something to
00:29:36
hide? If Jacob Almond is right with
00:29:38
his rules, then you have Bible studies every day and they'll be
00:29:42
more secure in his teachings. But you're not allowed to read
00:29:45
it. And in the Mormon faith, you
00:29:46
can't just go. If you say in the Mormon faith,
00:29:50
Church of Latter Day, Jesus, Latter Day Saints, that you
00:29:52
believe the Jesus of the New Testament, you are
00:29:55
excommunicated and going to hell.
00:29:58
Wow. And they call themselves a
00:29:59
Christian organization because that's not the Jesus that Joseph
00:30:02
Smith presents. So they never let them just read
00:30:06
it in isolation, because it's not Christianity.
00:30:11
But if it was true and you were sure Joseph Smith heard an Angel
00:30:16
and it was really Jesus giving a new revelation, study everything
00:30:21
and you're going to end up back to Joseph Smith.
00:30:22
But you won't end up to Joseph Smith.
00:30:24
You're going to find out he was a pervert.
00:30:27
Yeah, you you have to study it, you know.
00:30:29
And there's a reason why the Bible says my people perish due
00:30:32
to lack of knowledge. And I love what you just said
00:30:35
about your son. You know, go study all of it.
00:30:37
Don't hold back from any of it. Educate yourself.
00:30:40
So when you're restricted from reading certain stuff or even
00:30:43
reading the Bible, they can hold you hostage.
00:30:45
You're you're in bondage of religion at that point.
00:30:47
But if you educate yourself and you're open minded and you're
00:30:50
willing to learn all you can, your your eyes will be opened up
00:30:52
to the truth real quick. Yeah, I have a blog that goes on
00:30:56
my website and people get Christians get confused because
00:30:59
I will have a whole thing just talking about the life and the
00:31:01
beliefs of the Buddha. Well why do you have it on
00:31:05
there? Because it's not true.
00:31:07
He has some pretty smart things. But study it.
00:31:09
It's a part of world history. It's a part of culture.
00:31:12
But I end with have you heard this podcast yet?
00:31:14
And it's going to be a former Buddhist telling you that it led
00:31:16
into some dark places till they found Jesus.
00:31:20
But I'm not going to hide Buddhism because I'm not afraid
00:31:22
of it. It's fault I.
00:31:24
Absolutely love that. I admire that man.
00:31:26
I wish there's more people like that.
00:31:27
Be open minded to read into it. Educate yourself, you know.
00:31:30
Read it. Ronald Hubbard, Scientology.
00:31:34
I have a whole thing on him. Read what he believes.
00:31:36
He's just a science fiction writer.
00:31:37
He made a science fiction religion and they get tax
00:31:40
breaks. It's all it is.
00:31:43
Anyway, I like you, Sir. So what are you?
00:31:47
So you have all of these social media things going out and it's
00:31:50
interesting to people like me who don't, you know, you can't
00:31:54
get a glipse in there. You can't 2020 date lines.
00:31:57
Don't even hardly get in there and see what's really happening.
00:31:59
And if they did, it's going to be all staged.
00:32:02
So it's interesting to hear when people come out of organizations
00:32:05
like that. But beyond the interest level of
00:32:08
outsiders, are you having success reaching Amish?
00:32:11
People who can't aren't supposed to be viewing social media.
00:32:15
Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, it's been very, it's
00:32:19
just been mind blowing to be honest with you to, to use the
00:32:21
right phrase, mind blowing because as of 2023.
00:32:25
Who would have thought that all of these phones and technology
00:32:28
would smuggle their way into Amish communities?
00:32:31
The most strictest of communities have them.
00:32:33
OK, so I didn't realize how many of them have them until I had
00:32:37
over 1 followers and start getting well.
00:32:39
Some of them are bashing me, some of them are trying to
00:32:41
attack me and some some are trying to silence me and others
00:32:44
are saying, hey, I see what you're doing, Can you help me
00:32:47
get out? I have helped more than 200 of
00:32:49
them leave the Amish. OK, so it's it's been 1 here.
00:32:52
Here's how I put it. So drugs are illegal in America,
00:32:56
but yet they're here. Phones are not allowed in the
00:32:59
Amish communities, but yet they have them.
00:33:02
It's it's one of those things that that just made its way in
00:33:05
And then I have also smuggled some phones in.
00:33:08
It's not illegal to do so. So I have had some drivers that
00:33:11
communicate with me and we put them in certain locations or I
00:33:14
give them to the driver and he gets it to them and they'll hide
00:33:17
them under hay bales in the barn or leave them at the neighbors
00:33:19
and charge them at the neighbors garage or in his barn and.
00:33:22
They have been communicating with me and it's just been it's
00:33:25
been a beautiful thing to be able to reach back and help
00:33:27
those that want to leave. I don't force them into
00:33:30
believing anything if they have. If they want to choose to
00:33:34
practice something different, live a different life, it's my
00:33:36
duty to help my people the Amish leave to freedom and then make
00:33:40
let them be free to choose. It took me 19 years to come to
00:33:45
the knowledge of Jesus Christ after I left.
00:33:47
So I want them to think for themselves, choose for
00:33:50
themselves, think for yourselves, and undo the mental
00:33:53
abuse, spiritual abuse that has been done all of their life.
00:33:57
And usually when I allow them to make their own decisions, that's
00:34:00
what really clicks in. That's when their eyes are open,
00:34:02
like, whoa, you're not trying to control me.
00:34:04
You're not trying to tell me what to do.
00:34:07
And I just let them think for themselves before you know it,
00:34:09
man, they're they're free and I'm some of them go a little bit
00:34:11
too crazy. We try to get him with some
00:34:13
groups of ex homage that are doing construction and and make
00:34:16
a life for themselves and get a Social Security number and get
00:34:18
into the taxation system and everything else.
00:34:21
Do you see which is common People who leave cults is they
00:34:28
usually don't become Christian, they become nothing.
00:34:30
They'll never have anything to do with organized religion ever
00:34:35
again when they realize they've been manipulated and abused.
00:34:39
Yes. Yeah.
00:34:40
And that is why you'll hear me a lot of times in videos on my
00:34:44
platforms talking about how I hate religion.
00:34:46
I have no problem saying I hate religion.
00:34:48
The ones that are, that are controlling people, manipulating
00:34:51
people, lying. Let's be honest, it's a lot.
00:34:53
It's a bunch of lies. When those people come out of
00:34:56
those situations, 90%, probably maybe 95% of the Amish I have
00:35:01
helped leave. They were off the rails for a
00:35:03
while. I mean it.
00:35:05
It's almost too much freedom, too fast.
00:35:08
Some of them land in jail. Some of them are in jail for a
00:35:10
long time. Some of my best friends that I
00:35:13
helped leave the are in prison right now.
00:35:16
They had so much freedom so fast.
00:35:18
You know, they're not doing drugs and sleeping with women.
00:35:21
They don't know what their age are, and before you know it,
00:35:23
their whole life is a mess. But it's all goes back to their
00:35:26
sheltered life. And when they get free, they
00:35:28
don't know how to react. So Eli, for those listening that
00:35:32
are still confused when we talk about we don't like religion and
00:35:37
yet you're on a religious program right now.
00:35:40
We don't like what isn't Christianity religion, and that
00:35:46
would be confusing to some people even though we skimmed
00:35:50
over it. What is the difference between
00:35:52
the religion of Christianity and a biblical Christian?
00:35:58
I love that question. That is one thing I get attacked
00:36:01
from the non Amish people on my channel quite a bit that are
00:36:04
maybe denominational or whatever.
00:36:05
They don't like my tone but there's a reason why I preach
00:36:08
the way I do. I came from a controlling
00:36:11
religion if you want to call it a cult, I do all the time.
00:36:14
But after that and I can't when I came to the knowledge of the
00:36:17
truth, I will always separate the word religion from
00:36:21
Christianity because true Christians that are born again
00:36:24
have the Holy Spirit of God. They will follow Christ and his
00:36:27
teachings. Religious people follow
00:36:30
organized religion. There's some people that went
00:36:33
into the book of James and said, you know, Christianity is a
00:36:35
religion. It doesn't matter how they try
00:36:37
to interpret it. I will always stop them and tell
00:36:40
them religion always wants power and control.
00:36:44
Christianity is humility, love, acceptance.
00:36:48
Christianity, don't reject Christianity.
00:36:51
Don't demand, hey, you have to do this and this.
00:36:53
You got to meet our requirements.
00:36:54
No. Jesus walked right up to the
00:36:56
woman at the well. Jesus walked up to sinners who
00:36:59
who came up against Jesus and rejected him.
00:37:02
The religious people, the Pharisees, the subtleties, the
00:37:05
scribes, they came against him, the sinners that were not part
00:37:09
of the Pharisees in religion. They wasn't coming up against
00:37:12
him, he was coming and finding them.
00:37:14
So I like to explain it that way, just to show people, you
00:37:17
know, there's there's a lot of good religions out there.
00:37:21
If they were used to the Christian or the the religion
00:37:23
labeled you can I refuse to do that because religion is what
00:37:27
hung Jesus on the cross and killed him because Jesus and his
00:37:30
apostles did not meet the requirements of religion so
00:37:34
therefore they wanted him out of the way.
00:37:36
They even got on to Jesus and says why does your apostles not
00:37:39
wash their hands ceremonically the way we do?
00:37:41
Why don't they wash their pitchers and cups?
00:37:43
Jesus just stopped him in March 7 and he says, you hypocrites,
00:37:46
you have a fine way of setting aside God's commandments.
00:37:49
In order to fulfill your own human traditions.
00:37:52
That's why I separate Christianity and religion.
00:37:56
Yeah, you know what? He was an outlaw.
00:38:02
That's what it is. Jesus in the time he was living,
00:38:07
which wasn't just some people are religious like the everyone
00:38:11
was religious in but in the Judeo culture and he did not
00:38:15
abide by their rules because there were manmade rules which
00:38:19
made him an outsider, A transgressor, an outlaw.
00:38:24
So becoming outlaws are people who decide to follow him and
00:38:27
step outside of not only society but religion and actually follow
00:38:33
him. And to those are still they're
00:38:37
tagging along on this conversation.
00:38:39
If you're following it is Jesus never once said you need to be a
00:38:44
Christian. It didn't really exist yet, of
00:38:46
course, but he did say or that you need to be a Jew and follow
00:38:52
Judaism and follow their laws. He did say you have to be born
00:38:57
again, and so if people can understand how he explained it
00:39:02
was in the simplest terms, his man needs to be born twice.
00:39:08
You're born of the flesh, which means you were a baby.
00:39:10
You became a person in this world and you have to be reborn
00:39:14
in the Spirit to have a relationship with God.
00:39:17
And if you haven't, then you're not a Christian.
00:39:21
Even if you have been in church your whole life and have obeyed
00:39:25
a bunch of rules that has nothing to do with it.
00:39:27
You could have never stepped in a church.
00:39:30
You can be a total lawbreaker and you need to receive Christ
00:39:35
and be born again. That is a Christian.
00:39:38
And that's where my heart sinks because, you know, 80 something
00:39:42
percent, it's always really high. 8586% of Americans say
00:39:45
they're Christian and then you get down and there'll be like
00:39:48
11% say they're born again. It doesn't even make sense.
00:39:54
Because true born again, Christians.
00:39:56
That's what represents a Christian.
00:39:57
That's what really defines a Christian.
00:40:00
Yeah, Born Again isn't a weird segment of charismatic
00:40:03
Pentecostals that you know, I remember like Jimmy Carter, the
00:40:07
born Again Christian president, as opposed to other Christian
00:40:09
presidents or whatever. No, you're either Christian or
00:40:12
you're not. It's just saying Christian,
00:40:13
Christian. But if you don't know if you
00:40:16
like Christian and if you had to check a box on something, what
00:40:20
are you? Most people don't know what
00:40:22
Protestant means. They're like, okay, I'm not
00:40:23
Jewish. I'm Christian because I live in
00:40:25
America or whatever. But you don't know what it means
00:40:29
to have been born of the Spirit. Then you got to do what
00:40:34
scripture says. No one's judging you.
00:40:36
We got to do a Scripture says, because go and make your calling
00:40:38
an election, Sure. Make sure you're saved.
00:40:42
And you can note, yeah, you'll never go to church enough times,
00:40:47
you'll never wear the right collar enough times.
00:40:50
You can live your whole life and not ride a bike, but bicycle, it
00:40:53
has nothing to do with anything. So the Amish and things like
00:40:57
that, they're just the extreme. But we're but millions or
00:41:01
billions in the world are doing the same thing on a on a they're
00:41:04
deceived. Yes, and that's.
00:41:07
Yep, see it all the time. I was amazed when I left the
00:41:10
Amish and realized. There's so much legalism out
00:41:13
here, too. It's not just the Amish.
00:41:15
I know they're all at different levels, but I was.
00:41:17
I was amazed. I mean, you know, you know, we
00:41:19
should start a movement of trying to do it away with all
00:41:23
names, all name tags, all religious names.
00:41:27
Let's just all follow Jesus. How hard can it really be?
00:41:29
That's right. You know it.
00:41:33
We're just preaching to the choir, talking.
00:41:35
But other people might. It might be new to them, but,
00:41:38
you know, Scripture says that if you put it in context to think
00:41:42
of the most like holy people, you think of, you know, like
00:41:45
Mother Teresa always comes to mind.
00:41:46
When I actually heard, she was kind of like a jerk, but, you
00:41:49
know, but she gave her life helping people in Calcutta or
00:41:51
whatever. So you're really, really helping
00:41:53
people. You give your life for service
00:41:55
and you do, you're the kindest, most giving person.
00:41:58
You've done all the rules, the best ever, the most holy person
00:42:03
you could think of. And then Scripture says you take
00:42:06
all of that. And in God's eyes, when it comes
00:42:09
to salvation, it's like filthy rags that need to be not only
00:42:16
thrown away but burned and discarded.
00:42:18
That's how offensive it is in God's sight that anything we
00:42:24
could ever do would earn any credit for salvation or heaven,
00:42:29
because it takes away for what Christ did.
00:42:34
Yes, yeah, even in Romans 4/4. You can read and that really
00:42:39
opened my eyes after I got saved and and thinking back of the
00:42:42
Amish and all the rules it talks about.
00:42:45
The good works will stack up against you as debt against you
00:42:49
about. That so then if people wonder,
00:42:53
and they should, then then why do good works?
00:42:57
Well, don't do it because you think you're earning something.
00:43:02
That's the point. What Scripture makes clear is
00:43:05
that what happens when you become born again is that the
00:43:08
Spirit begins to move on you, and the Spirit wants to help
00:43:11
other people. Yes, nothing to do with gaining
00:43:16
salvation, but everything to do with spreading his Kingdom.
00:43:21
Yes, yeah, I love to use the phrase a dog barks because he's
00:43:26
a dog. He doesn't bark to become a dog.
00:43:28
A Christian that is born again will do good works and love that
00:43:31
neighbor. Ask that self because he is
00:43:32
safe. He doesn't do them to become
00:43:34
safe. Yeah.
00:43:37
Boy, we're good. We appreciate yourself.
00:43:39
Happy. All right.
00:43:43
I appreciate your time. I'm not gonna take more, but
00:43:45
where can people? You're all over the Internet.
00:43:47
I mean, where can people find you?
00:43:48
Where would you like people to go?
00:43:50
Do you have, like a main hangout, or is it TikTok?
00:43:52
Is it YouTube? I usually give it all out under
00:43:56
my name. Eli Yoder.
00:43:57
I usually use my name. I'm on Facebook.
00:43:59
I'm on YouTube. Under Eli Yoder, I'm on.
00:44:01
TikTok. I got two channels.
00:44:03
You know. TikTok is Yoder Toter 4 Zero on
00:44:05
my main account. The other account that has
00:44:08
189 followers now? That one's Eli the Exomish
00:44:13
Preacher. Nice.
00:44:14
You should have tshirts Yoder toter.
00:44:16
I like that. I got one.
00:44:18
Hey, you know what? I didn't get them in the mail.
00:44:20
I thought I'd get it today, but I just got becoming out lost
00:44:22
trucker hats. I always wear a trucker hat.
00:44:25
So I'm gonna if you if you send me some place to send that, I'll
00:44:28
give you a becoming out lost trucker hat so you can wear it
00:44:30
on the road. You wear that.
00:44:33
And if you said, you know, this stuff does make it the Amish
00:44:37
people, how do they reach out to you?
00:44:39
Do you have a certain way? Is it just through social media
00:44:42
or do you have some kind of help center line or what goes on
00:44:44
there? Yeah, I I always give.
00:44:47
Out my e-mail. If they want to e-mail use the
00:44:49
drivers phone. They all know English friends
00:44:51
and drivers but eli.ministry.06@gmail.com they
00:44:57
can e-mail me there. A lot of them have done it.
00:45:00
And and a lot of them also have used their drivers or friends to
00:45:03
reach out for me and e-mail me or message me on TikTok I I can
00:45:08
receive messages on there, even comment on videos.
00:45:11
There's a ton of them that just coming on some of my videos and
00:45:13
I saw it. So I messaged back and I gotta
00:45:15
follow them back to receive the message.
00:45:17
But I've done that. There's so many different ways
00:45:19
they can communicate, but I'm I'm careful on giving my number
00:45:21
and and personal information out because the ones that are doing
00:45:24
it for the wrong reasons, I don't want them to get my
00:45:26
number. But I always start with e-mail.
00:45:28
That's eli.ministry.06@gmail.com.
00:45:31
If that that gets the conversation started and I can
00:45:34
read those emails and see if they're legit.
00:45:36
If it's somebody that really is serious about leaving, then we
00:45:39
will make that happen for him among the outlaws, he said.
00:45:43
Come follow me. People from all walks of life
00:45:46
since have been becoming outlaws.