Aliens & the Pentagon w/ Dr. Hugh RossScholar and astrophysicist, Dr. Hugh Ross, offers his perspective on the recent congress hearings regarding an alleged U.S. government cover up regarding recovered spacecraft and aliens.Dr. Ross also discusses what UFO's and aliens are and the recent discussions of the return of the ancient gods, the Annunaki.reasons.org reasons.org
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UFO's, Aliens and the Pentagon Recently, the US Congress held a
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public hearing on claims the government is covering up its
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knowledge of UFO's. Specifically that the government
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conducted A multidecade program which collected and attempted to
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reverse engineer crashed UF O's and these allegations were made
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under oath by government official.
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And we are going to try to figure out what's up with that,
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what is going on with the government and these kind of
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testimonies as well as what's just going on with this whole
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UFO thing anyway. And today I'm.
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Excited to have back on. We're very fortunate to have
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back on. They never Take this for
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granted. Dr. Hugh Ross.
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He's an astrophysicist and author of I Should Ask Him, but
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I know it's at least a couple dozen books.
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He's the founder and senior scholar of reasons to believe
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it's out in Southern California. It's an organization that
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researches and communicates how discoveries about nature
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harmonize with scripture. One of the books written.
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Just over years ago with colleagues was lights in the sky
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and little Green men welcome Doctor Ross.
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Thank you for inviting me. Oh, I'm always, I'm always a
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little nervous too, because you could be traveling the world,
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writing books, speaking and big conferences.
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And I hate to take your time, but I know every time I have you
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on or Doctor Rana or Doctor Samples that we have great
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feedback from those that listen to this podcast.
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They always. Learned something so I
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appreciate it. That's good to hear.
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Yeah, OK, so do you ever get tired of people you have so much
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knowledge of the universe and complexities of space and time
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When someone just says, hey, can we talk about aliens and UFOs?
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And does that bother you at all, or did you enjoy that?
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Well, I became an expert, not by intent.
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And it happened when I was 16 years of age.
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I was a director of observations of the chapter in Vancouver, the
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Royal Astronomical Society in Canada.
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I said, hey, let's have a booth at the Pacific National
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Exhibition. We had this great booth there
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that they put us right next to the Fly Saucer Club.
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And since I as an amateur astronomer, to good knowledge of
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the nighttime sky everywhere I went, they gave me the job of
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handling the UFO reports. Every university, every
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observatory. So, and without any intent of my
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own, I wound up becoming an expert on Ufo's.
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Yeah, you actually. I got the testimonials and all
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that from people. How many years were you doing
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that? Ever since I was 16.
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I mean, I still get people. Oh, you still do it.
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Wow. Oh.
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Yeah, it still happens so. OK, what was what happened a
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couple weeks ago? Here's my question about this
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is. I didn't watch it real close.
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And you know, a lot of people aren't really paying attention
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to everything going on in government.
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We have our own lives to live. But on social media, at a
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minimum, you get little snippets of this and that and you'll see
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a snippet of somebody under oath saying a government official
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that you know they have inside knowledge and that the
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government has a cover up and there's alien spacecraft and all
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this and how can that be? What's going on with?
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That well, it was David Grush who testified before his
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subcommittee of the US Congress. Now he's been making public
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statements about U.S. government cover ups of UFO craft and alien
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beings, their bodies. This has been going on for at
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least five years. But now he was testifying under
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oath before Congress, and what I noticed is he backed off from
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his previous public claims. So instead of claiming that the
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government actually had physical bodies of UFO beings, he said,
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well, what they had was biologic material and he was still
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claiming even under oath, that the government had these hangers
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with. Now he wasn't claiming that he
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had complete spaceships from alien beings, but he did say
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they had physical craft or parts of craft, and he also testified
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that before Congress. That these craft apparently had
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the ability to violate the laws of physics and our government
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was trying to figure out how to back engineer out that
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technology. You know, I read what he put in
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his written report before he testified before Congress.
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I suspect what was really going on is he heard.
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Because, you know, our government's been involved in
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investigating UFO's for decades. What he heard was government
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officials making a comment, look, we're dealing with
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something that can't be explained by the laws of
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physics, and he conflated that to saying that they had crap
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that could do that. No, what was really happening,
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in my opinion, was that the physicist investigating UFO's
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have been saying what they've been saying for decades.
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Mainly, we're dealing with a phenomena that's
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interdimensional. Something that's beyond the
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space-time, dimensions of the universe, some, you know, beings
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that are not subject to the laws of physics of the universe.
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And so that's. I'm sorry he never claimed to
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actually himself. Have seen anything right?
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It's still hearsay. It's still hearsay.
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And you know, I've done a podcast where I basically made
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the point. I got an article up on my
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Facebook page saying. For three reasons.
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We know that his claims have no credibility because he's
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claiming that this cover has been going on since 1933.
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That's a long time. We're talking 90 years.
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The government can't keep a secret for 5 minutes.
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Come on. Yeah, that's the whole point.
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I gave the example of President Richard Nixon trying to cover up
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a single audio cassette tape. With all the power of the
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executive branch behind him, he was only able to keep it covered
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up for 11 days. And so yes, our government
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security is simply not up to the task.
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And then the second point is, if there really was physical
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evidence, how come there's no physical artifacts that show up
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in a museum or been actually put before members of Congress?
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And to give you a counter example, on multiple times I've
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seen rocks recovered from the moon by the Apollo astronauts.
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I've watched officials handling these rocks.
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I've seen these rocks up close, but no one has ever seen an
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artifact from one of these alien spacecraft.
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Lots of fuzzy photographs, but nothing you can handle or touch
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or actually see in a museum. But I think the strongest
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evidence against David Crucius claims is that it's simply not
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possible for a craft of that size to traverse interstellar
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space. And you know the one equation
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every layperson knows is equals M C ^2.
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Well, C is the velocity of light and basically makes the point
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It's it's simple high school algebra to take equals M C ^2
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and demonstrate. The faster you travel through
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space, the more damage you're going to take from particles in
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interstellar space. And even if you're only going
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110th of velocity of light, the protons and electrons and micro
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dust you encounter as you travel to interstellar space will
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destroy your spaceship. Now they're exceptions to that
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if you make the spaceship really small because the smaller the
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cross section. Unless the damage, maybe you can
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make it happen. Or if you got a really big
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spaceship that can withstand the damage and say how big are we
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talking about? Well, I would argue if you want
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to keep beings like us alive as they travel through interstellar
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space, the minimum size of the spaceship needed to keep them
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alive is the size of the Death Star that you see in Star Wars
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or. Something at least half the
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diameter of the moon. That's the minimum size.
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And how small? How small do you have to go?
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OK, well, straw numbers actually have a proposal that they want
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to get funded, which is to send spaceships to the nearest planet
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beyond our solar system. It's only four and a quarter
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light years away, but they realize that if they go one
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110th of velocity of light. Just the particles that you're
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going to encounter on the way means that the spaceships can't
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be bigger than 10 centimeters across or over.
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We're going to have to send at least 1000 of them.
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We send 1000 spaceships, no bigger than 10 centimeters
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across. At least half of them will be
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totally destroyed by the time they get to that nearest extra
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solar planet. The other half will all be
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partly destroyed. But what astronomers and
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counting on? They'll be destroyed in
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different ways, so we should be able to get some meaningful data
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back if we send 1000 tiny spaceships.
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Crazy. So that's kind of like tort is
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that kind of like tortoises, where they send all of these
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little babies down to the ocean, knowing that only some of them
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are going to survive. You have to start with a mass.
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Right. And then, you know, then this
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you make it and then they carry on.
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And if you have a 10, so I'm picturing in my lay brain 10
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centimeters, you're talking about like a kids tub toy where
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you have a little whale and you wind it up like.
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You're talking something no bigger than that.
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How would how is that a spaceship?
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How would does that fly and go anywhere?
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Well, while we do the technology.
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To accelerate that to 110th, even to 2/10 of velocity of
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light that can, that can be done.
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The tricky part is to have the instruments on board that tiny
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spaceship where it has a decent probability of being functional
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by the time it gets to that nearest plant outside of our
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solar system. So instead of chimpanzees, you
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could have like caterpillars. No.
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Travelers No. A termite would not make it, a
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bacterium wouldn't make it. But the advantage of these
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little micro machines that they're going to put inside this
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thing is that they're much less subject to being destroyed by
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the radiation in interstellar space than a bacterium would be.
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And so, yeah, bacterium, forget it.
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But we could send, you know, these little tiny micro
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machines. Yeah, that's crazy.
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What's the probability of that happening?
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I think there's a good chance that that's going to be funded,
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because spaceships that tiny can be manufactured fairly cheaply,
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and you'll be quite interesting to be able to actually send
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physical craft to the nearest planet beyond our solar system.
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So I wouldn't be surprised if that happens to be completed in
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terms of sending them off, but if we send them a 110th of
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velocity of light. We got to wait 40-2 years before
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we get any data back. It's a long term project and
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some astronomers are thinking that's a long time to wait.
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Let's send it at 2/10 of velocity of light.
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Now we only have to wait 21 years.
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But now we better send 10 spaceships because the
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probability of them being destroyed is 4 times higher at
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2/10 of velocity of light than it is at 110th of velocity of
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light. That's crazy.
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It's it's v ^2 / C ^2. So when you increase the
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velocity, the damage goes up with a square of the velocity.
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Working for NASA must be so frustrating.
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I mean, you're you look at projects and you think if you
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want to do one or not, Like if we do this, we'll all be gone.
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We'll never see the results. We'll never know.
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Well, I remember when I was a graduate student, I heard a
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lecture. From a 93 year old
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astrophysicist who began a project in his early 20s,
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knowing it would take 70 years before he built a publisher and
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he lived long enough to publish it.
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Very good. Maybe that's why astronomers
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live longer than the rest of the population.
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Might be, yeah. So you know, to circle back and
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close up that Pentagon thing, I have a little theory, which is.
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Kind of outside the science part of it.
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I have suspicions. Anytime cameras are involved,
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somebody making claims that you aren't proven one way or
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another, the next thing you're going to see like this guy on is
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he's going to show up on The History Channel.
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He's going to be on Ancient Aliens.
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You can have a career. You just got to get your face
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and name out there. I think there's ulterior
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motives. I'm always careful with The
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History Channel I've been on a couple of times and they always
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headed me in such a way that I wind up on their program saying
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someday I don't actually believe.
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So don't trust anything you hear in The History Channel.
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Yeah, I used to enjoy The History Channel, but it's it's
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more like the National Enquirer channel now with a history
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theme, I think. They sent a crew out, they
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interviewed me for 45 minutes and they took a 110 second clip
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and a 15 second clip completely out of context.
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Yeah, the theme The National. Oh yeah, to fit their narrative.
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Yeah, to fit their agenda exactly.
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All right, on to actual Ufo's and aliens.
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And I know there's a lot that could be said about that, but
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you know when? In my College of biology, the
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only thing that was ever talked about UFO sightings was swamp.
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It's so much more to it now from my layperson understanding, it
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seems to me, and I want you to elaborate, you're the expert, is
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that this isn't a new phenomenon.
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It's been through history. It just seems to get amped up
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with. Cell phone recordings or we have
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a way we can all witness things now and someone gets something
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cool on video, which could be altered video, we don't even
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know. It goes viral and everyone's
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talking about it. I guess I have several questions
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you can go whichever path you want is is it amped up?
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Is it the same as it's always been?
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We're just highlighting it more and which is probably one
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question. The second question would be, do
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you think there's a motive, let's say, with government to
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get us focused on something so we're not looking at something
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else? Yeah, well address your first
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question. UFO phenomena has been around a
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long, long time. The first documented recording
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of the UFO sighting goes all the way back to thetmost the 3rd
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3000 years ago, and likely suffer even earlier than that.
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There is heightened interests in the 20th century.
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I saw that with the Foo Fighters sightings in World War 2 is
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where we saw an increased interest and I know my own
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experience. 99% of what people reported to me as UFO's I could
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explain as natural phenomena, government military activity
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that was attempted to be kept secret or a hoax.
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But there's a 1% residual. And what's interesting about
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that 1% residual, you can prove that it's real but it's not
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physical. And we now have millions of the
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documented cases of people observing this non physical
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phenomena, but also explains why so many scientists dismiss UF
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O's. I mean, I briefly had Carl Sagan
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as a professor when I was at the University of Toronto.
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And he was very dismissive of you.
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Of us is nothing to it at all. And for people who don't know
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Carl Sagan's renowned or former renowned astrophysicist.
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Yeah, he was probably one of the most famous astronomers of the
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20th century, mainly because of all the times he appeared on The
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Tonight Show on national television and a very
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charismatic fellow. But he was an atheist.
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At least he was when he was teaching the class to us at the
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University of Toronto. And his worldview would not
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accept the existence of non physical reality.
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As a Christian, my worldview does accept the possibility of
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non physical reality. I mean what you see in the Bible
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as a God has created at least two distinct species of
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intelligent life. We human beings who are subject
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to the laws of physics of the universe and angels who are not
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and so. Angels would be one possible
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explanation for non physical reality.
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And I'm not the only physicist who's written about the UFO
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phenomena. There are at least six other
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physicists who have devoted A decade or more to studying UF
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O's and have written full length books on UF O's.
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As far as I know, I'm the only believer amongst the seven, but
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what I find interesting about all 7.
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They all conclude by saying we're dealing with something
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interdimensional, something that's not constrained by the
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space-time, dimensions of the universe.
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They also agree that what we're dealing with is not beneficial.
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You know, it was Alan Hynek. He was the first physicist that
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the US government Commission to do a serious study in UF O's.
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This was back in the 1960s. And he is the one who coined the
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terms close Encounters of the First Kind, Second Kind, and
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Third Kind, and what modern day physicists have been able to
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demonstrate. If you have one of these close
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encounters, the effects are deleterious.
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About the best you're going to come away from in one of those
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close encounters is recurring terrifying nightmares to say
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what's the worst case scenario? People been killed.
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In their close encounters with UFO's, how?
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Has that happened? Well, you know, close encounter,
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the 3rd and 4th kind is where the UFO actually makes physical
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contact with the human contactee.
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And So what happens is a human contactee is physically injured
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and recovers from the injury or they're killed.
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Another one I think they should classify in the same category is
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where the UFO results in the animals being owned by the human
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contactee being injured or killed.
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That's actually more frequent or say the dogs or the cows that
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are opened by the human contactee get injured or killed.
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But, and then there's all these people who claim to be abducted
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aboard a UFO crafts some have claimed have been sexually
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assaulted. And then there are those who go
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into a trance and they wind up communicating a message to
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humanity. Probably the most famous example
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of that would be the Irantia book, where a UFO contactee went
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into a trance and under a trance actually was dictated a message
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that became the Irantia book. And this is not a small book.
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Some additions are nearly 4000 pages.
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But what I find interesting about the Iranian book, a third
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of its content is denying the deity of Jesus Christ.
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So it kind of tells you that these.
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So it is an Antichrist element. It does.
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There's also a deceptive element.
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I mean what you notice about these close encounters, say 120
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years ago they were telling their human contactee we're from
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the backside of the moon. But once the late public became
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aware that you know, physical life is not possible on the
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backside of the Moon, they changed their story.
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They said that they they were from Venus and when people
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became aware of hot it is on the surface of Venus, they said
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Mars. What they're telling their
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contactees now we're from another planetary system, so I
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find it interesting. They seem to keep pace with the
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general knowledge of the humans about astronomy.
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They also seem to keep pace with our technology.
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Again, if you go back 100 years, the UF O's were appearing to
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human contactees as slow moving dirigibles in the atmosphere.
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World War Two, They were the Foo Fighters moving at the speed of
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sound. Now we see is that they appear
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as spacecraft moving at 15 to 18 mph.
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So they seem to be keeping pace with human technology.
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And I look at both of those historical phenomena as warning
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signs for dealing with something deceptive.
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Yeah, something deceptive, something dark.
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And it seems that most of the encounters where people are
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abducted. So seem to be memories taken
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through when they're put under hypnosis or something, Something
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where they give up their mind and they become open to
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suggestive thinking, right? In fact.
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But you see in the Bible, it warns us not to give up control
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of your mind, or to avoid hypnosis, or to avoid being put
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into a trance. And that's when these kinds of
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things do happen. You know what my colleagues and
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I wrote in our book Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men.
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What's really interesting, I think what's unique about our
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book on UF O's is that we document that these encounters,
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close encounters, they exclusively happen to people who
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have open doors to the occult. Either they do or a close
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relative or a sexual partner has these open doors, but when the
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doors are closed that's the end of their UFO experiences.
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And I also find it interesting that nations of the world we got
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higher percentage of the general population involved in the
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occult. You also have a higher
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percentage of the population reporting these close encounters
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with UFO's, and that even shows up in the 50 states of the
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United States. States for the incidence of the
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occult activity is high, like Alaska and Hawaii.
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We also see a correspondingly higher percentage of people
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claiming to have these encounters with U of O's.
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So our point is we're providing A testable, A scientifically
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testable explanation. If you open the doors of the
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occult, this is going to happen to you. close the doors.
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That'll be the end of the phenomena.
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Seems to be the same when it comes to anything.
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Paranormal people opening themselves up to the occults
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getting interested in dark things and dark spiritual things
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tend to be the ones who have more ghost encounters, don't you
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think? It can also happen to people
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unknowingly. So for example, in the church
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where I serve on the pastoral staff, we had a couple that
00:25:26
purchased an old home and things were happening in that home.
00:25:32
Literally. Spoons were floating in midair.
00:25:35
One room was about 10 degrees colder in the other rooms.
00:25:38
So they were persuaded that the previous owners must have left
00:25:42
behind all called articles, but they weren't able to find them.
00:25:47
But I remember going over to their home and saying, look,
00:25:50
before we do it, a thorough search, let's spend some time
00:25:54
and prayer and ask God to reveal to us this hidden object.
00:25:59
And then we went through the house and we could find nothing
00:26:02
in the house but the room or all the activity was going on.
00:26:06
I could see a faint octagonal outline on the wall, and I could
00:26:11
tell that the wall have been repainted just before it was
00:26:14
sold. So we scraped under the paint
00:26:17
and we found a dark midnight blue color.
00:26:20
I said that's a favorite color for people who want to get
00:26:23
involved in seances. Let's talk to the neighbors.
00:26:27
And the neighbors told us that there were teenage boys that
00:26:31
were conducting seances in that room before the house was sold.
00:26:36
So he said we need to find what that octagonal thing is.
00:26:40
And we finally went into the garage and there was a pile of
00:26:44
junk lumber up in the rafters of the garage.
00:26:47
I said that's the one place we haven't looked.
00:26:50
Let's haul all that stuff down. It was quite a job, but in the
00:26:53
middle of all that junk lumber was an octagonal astrological
00:26:58
forecaster. It perfectly matched the shape
00:27:01
on the wall. We destroyed that object and
00:27:04
that was the end of weird things going on in the house.
00:27:08
But that's an example where here's a Christian couple.
00:27:11
No open doors of the occult, but they purchased a home where the
00:27:16
previous owners had open doors to the occult.
00:27:20
So in situations on a broader scale, where?
00:27:25
Military is witnessing and then documenting, and radars are
00:27:32
picking up something going too fast that you know a body would
00:27:37
not handle. That is impossible.
00:27:39
Denies physics. Is there any broader deception
00:27:45
going on than to humanity or under what you're talking about
00:27:51
with the? Pilots personally be involved in
00:27:54
some kind of a cult and it's triggering some kind of activity
00:27:57
around them. And you know, a lot of what the
00:28:00
governments of the world are reporting being cited by Navy
00:28:05
pilots, Air Force pilots, a lot of what they're talking about is
00:28:10
things that I think fall in the 99% category.
00:28:14
You know, a chip, a tiny tip chip of paint breaks off from
00:28:17
the jet aircraft and you know it it it gets heated up.
00:28:22
You see this trajectory and it looks like it's violating the
00:28:26
laws of physics, but that's on the assumption that it's far
00:28:29
away. If it's close by, that's
00:28:31
something that can be naturally explained.
00:28:34
However, some of the things I've read from the Navy and Air Force
00:28:38
pilots, it's like they really are seeing something that's in
00:28:41
the 1% category and that there I would look for it all called
00:28:46
connection, but again we're talking only 1%.
00:28:50
What people report is UFO's. But I think the best examples
00:28:56
where we can say, hey, we're dealing with something real but
00:28:59
not physical is when a UFO is cited by more than one person
00:29:06
going through the atmosphere and is observed to crash into the
00:29:10
Earth. But when you see it going
00:29:13
through the atmosphere, if you got multiple observers, you can
00:29:17
calculate the velocity of its path.
00:29:20
And what I noticed from all the duct cases I've looked at, the
00:29:25
ground observers never report a Sonic boom.
00:29:29
They never report heat friction. If it's going faster than speed
00:29:33
of sound, you will get a Sonic boom.
00:29:36
And if it's moving at 15 mph, you're going to see
00:29:40
significant heat friction behind the craft, if indeed it's a
00:29:44
physical craft. So the fact that that's not
00:29:47
reported tells me, but the fact that it crashes into the Earth,
00:29:52
and you go to the crash site and you'll see a shallow crater this
00:29:57
if there's snow, the snow is melted, the vegetation is
00:30:01
consistently damaged. But as you search around the UFO
00:30:05
crater site, no artifacts, no debris.
00:30:09
If it was a physical craft, we would find plenty of debris.
00:30:13
The fact that we see nothing tells us we're dealing with
00:30:16
something that's not physical. But the fact that you've got a
00:30:20
crater, the fact that you've got damaged vegetation, tells us
00:30:25
we're dealing with something that is real.
00:30:27
It's real, but not physical. That explains why other
00:30:32
astrophysicists like the French Jacques Valet and his multiple
00:30:36
books and UFO says we're dealing with something interdimensional.
00:30:43
OK, not physical. But real.
00:30:50
So if it's spiritual we're talking we back and put all
00:30:53
together talking about possible the Bible talk about angels
00:30:56
beings these would be dark so fallen angels demonic category
00:31:03
but if they so but in my mind if I think well a fallen Angel I'm
00:31:07
thinking of something that looks like an Angel and you see
00:31:10
something fly around and. But something that looks like a
00:31:14
craft, that's a living craft that crashes, that needs a
00:31:21
little explanation. Like, are they are these being
00:31:28
driven by a spiritual being and it's a spiritual craft?
00:31:31
Are they making themselves look like a craft and crashing?
00:31:35
So we think it's a UFO. Well, what you notice in the
00:31:39
Bible is that angels do appear and they can appear in a variety
00:31:44
of physical forms. And we had Abraham entertaining
00:31:49
a a couple of angels and he actually fed them food.
00:31:52
So they can appear in apparently physical form and they can
00:31:57
appear in a variety of ways. I mean one thing I've put in
00:32:00
lights in the sky, little green men.
00:32:02
This phenomena has been with us a long time and notice they can
00:32:06
appear as a dirigible. They can appear as a Foo
00:32:08
fighter. They can appear as a spaceship
00:32:11
moving at 18 mph. They can appear as as a
00:32:15
leprechaun. We read the Bible.
00:32:18
We notice the Satan appeared in the form of the serpent.
00:32:22
Then you had this Angel taking over Balem's bunk donkey and
00:32:28
talking to Balem. But that's kind of a real thing,
00:32:32
isn't it? I mean, we don't talk about it
00:32:34
here, but isn't it Ireland? I mean, we think of like the
00:32:37
Lucky Charms guy, but isn't that some kind of folklore gnome?
00:32:42
Kind of like our big floor gnome.
00:32:44
I mean, I've yeah, I've made a trip to Iceland and people there
00:32:47
believe in these kinds of things, but Iceland's a country
00:32:50
where you got a very high level of all cult activity by the
00:32:54
population. And so I think that's the key
00:32:58
point. These angels can appear, and a
00:33:00
variety of what we interpret to be physical forms.
00:33:04
They can appear as an animal, they can appear as your dead
00:33:07
grandfather. They can appear as a spaceship.
00:33:10
And so it's not all surprising that we see this great variety
00:33:16
of the ways that they make appearances to human beings.
00:33:21
So what? So you mentioned
00:33:22
interdimensional. What would interdimensional
00:33:27
mean? Well, that's a term that was
00:33:30
coined by the French astrophysicist Jacques Bellay.
00:33:33
He's an agnostic. I mean, from a biblical
00:33:36
perspective, God has created the universe as a physical realm for
00:33:42
us human beings and physical life on planet Earth.
00:33:46
But the Bible is clear that He's created a different realm for
00:33:50
the angels, and it's not the same physics as our universe.
00:33:55
And the difference is we humans are constrained to the physical
00:34:01
universe. The angels are not.
00:34:04
They can stay in their realm, but they have the power to come
00:34:08
temporarily into our realm. I mean you got Hebrews 13 two
00:34:14
where the author of Hebrews says to Christians, many of you have
00:34:18
entertained angels unawares. They can appear in human form.
00:34:24
I mean, we see this in the book of Acts, where an Angel came
00:34:27
and, you know, set Peter free from the jail, but as soon as
00:34:33
it's set free, the Angel disappeared.
00:34:36
So they can come and go. They're not constrained to our
00:34:39
physical realm, but unlike us, they can go for their realm,
00:34:43
into our realm and back to their realm, and exactly what kind of
00:34:47
physics their realm has, what the dimensions are.
00:34:50
We only have a vague idea, but it's different from our realm,
00:34:55
that's for certain. And outside of what we would
00:34:58
term time and space, it's outside of the space-time
00:35:01
dimensions of the universe and outside of the laws of physics
00:35:05
that govern the universe. OK.
00:35:07
I don't. I wouldn't be able to explain
00:35:10
that or know the math to that, but follow how my brain works
00:35:14
and if it's anywhere close, So you're in California, your three
00:35:18
hours difference in our time than where I met in the Midwest,
00:35:23
but it's the same time. We're right now at the same
00:35:27
time, but at a different time because of space, making a time
00:35:33
a measurement of space, right? So if there wasn't the material
00:35:38
between us of, I don't know, air and roads and trees and
00:35:45
everything that's between us, there wouldn't be a reason for
00:35:49
time, right? So we would be outside of time.
00:35:52
Isn't time a measurement of? The material world am I anywhere
00:35:57
close to the time? Is a measurement of the history,
00:36:01
the universe from the cosmic creation event forward.
00:36:05
And you know, we humans have chosen to use the Earth's
00:36:08
rotation rate as a way to measure small intervals of time.
00:36:12
Which is why, because the Earth is rotating, the Earth is a
00:36:15
fairly decent size. We are in, quote, different time
00:36:19
zones, but you know, we're communicating at the identical
00:36:23
time. Now, if I was on the moon, you'd
00:36:26
have to wait 1 1/2 seconds for my voice to come into your
00:36:30
studio because that's how long it would take light to travel.
00:36:35
You know, the distance between the two of us is so tiny, only
00:36:39
about 2500 miles, that you don't notice a time delay, and that in
00:36:44
my speaking. So, but what we're talking about
00:36:49
with these interdimensional beings, they do live in a
00:36:53
different realm. And you know, I had the good
00:36:56
fortune when I was an undergraduate mathematics
00:36:59
student to take a full year course on extradimensional
00:37:04
mathematics. And what's interesting is once
00:37:06
you get beyond the four spacetime dimensions of the
00:37:09
universe, really weird things can happen.
00:37:13
And our professor had the audacity to sign his mathematics
00:37:16
problems to determine what's possible in these extra
00:37:20
dimensions and what's not possible.
00:37:23
I wound up writing a book on this called Beyond the Cosmos,
00:37:27
where I basically took what I could from the physics of this
00:37:31
universe to try to determine what is the physics of the new
00:37:35
creation, what is the physics of the the realm in which the
00:37:40
angels live and recognize? For example, in the universe,
00:37:45
we're constrained to a single dimension of time that can't be
00:37:49
stopped to reverse. But in the new creation, I
00:37:53
believe God's going to deliver us in the geometric time, which
00:37:57
means we're going to be able to relate to one another not just
00:38:00
along a single dimension of time, but at least the
00:38:04
equivalent of a second dimension of time.
00:38:07
And that's going to relieve us of the frustration, the
00:38:10
frustration I have as a Christian.
00:38:13
There's a lot of people I'd like to spend time with, but because
00:38:17
of my limitations in space and time, I got to pick one person
00:38:21
at a time. I remember when I gave my wife
00:38:24
to Jesus Christ saying, Gee, when I get to heaven, my name is
00:38:29
close to the end of the alphabet.
00:38:31
I'm going to have to wait several million years to have a
00:38:34
private conversation with the Apostle Paul.
00:38:37
But what I wrote about and beyond the cosmos, God's going
00:38:40
to give the Apostle Paul the capability of having billions of
00:38:45
simultaneous, private, one-on-one conversations.
00:38:49
And you're going to be given a new name.
00:38:51
Maybe it'll start with an A anyway.
00:38:53
Yeah, it might start with an A. Exactly.
00:38:56
Or there might be some other alphabet.
00:38:58
But it explains why. You see, in the Book of
00:39:00
Revelation, there are no families, there are no
00:39:04
marriages. In the new creation, it's no
00:39:07
longer necessary because we're no longer going to be
00:39:10
constrained to a single dimension of time, but explains
00:39:14
why the angels have powers we don't have because they're not
00:39:19
living under the same dimensional constraints that
00:39:22
we're under. All right, finally, Doctor Ross,
00:39:26
with your time on the Internet. Meaning social media, lately,
00:39:33
The Ancient Aliens, The Ancient Astronaut Theorist, and these
00:39:38
guys, as well as a book that was out a while back talk about the
00:39:44
return of the Anannaki. Did I pronounce that right?
00:39:49
Yeah, you did. And I've got a book coming out,
00:39:53
you know, later this year. You always have a book coming
00:39:56
out. I always got a book coming out
00:39:58
this. This one is actually in the
00:40:01
Britain. All those books in thank you
00:40:02
probably. So, but I have a chapter in this
00:40:07
book that it's called Rescuing an Errancy, and I put a chapter
00:40:11
in there because a lot of theologians have this idea that
00:40:15
the ancient peoples. Were quite backward and, you
00:40:20
know, not very advanced in their science.
00:40:23
And you know, I've had quite a bit of background and research
00:40:27
in the history of astronomy and basically made the point.
00:40:30
They didn't need help from intelligent aliens to me.
00:40:34
They weren't just hunter gatherers throwing sticks and
00:40:37
arrows. They weren't.
00:40:38
They they And their cosmology was quite advanced and so you've
00:40:43
probably heard a Stonehenge. And it's a stone structure.
00:40:47
In England, and back in the 60s, astronomers examine this and
00:40:52
realize it's more than just a spiritual worship site.
00:40:57
It's a stone observatory. Because back in ancient times,
00:41:01
they didn't have telescopes, but they had the strong desire to
00:41:05
measure astronomical phenomena with positional precision, and
00:41:10
so they built these stone structures.
00:41:13
I would enable them to stand back, say 300 yards or half a
00:41:17
mile back. And I use the, you know, close
00:41:21
proximity, these stones kind of like a gun sight, and that
00:41:26
enabled them to make astronomical measurements to
00:41:30
better than 130th the diameter of the moon in the sky,
00:41:35
literally ancient antipady. They were wicked smart, smarter
00:41:40
than most of us will ever be. Well, not only that.
00:41:43
We now know that Stonehenge is not the exception, that the
00:41:46
peoples all over the world had built thousands of these stone
00:41:51
observatories, some of them more than 30 times bigger than
00:41:55
Stonehenge. And with these stone
00:41:58
observatories, they were able to determine the size of the Earth,
00:42:02
that the Earth was a sphere. They had measured its diameter
00:42:06
to 1% precision. They knew the distance to the
00:42:09
Moon. They knew the distance to the
00:42:11
sun. They knew that the sun was the
00:42:13
center of the solar system, and they also knew that the stars
00:42:17
were bodies like the sun, because they tried to use their
00:42:20
stone observatories to measure the distances to the stars.
00:42:25
They couldn't do it and realize they had to be extremely
00:42:28
distant. And given their brightness, they
00:42:31
likely were objects like the Sun.
00:42:34
So they had a rather sophisticated understanding of
00:42:38
the nearby, you know, heavens. And and they were able to use
00:42:45
these precision measurements to be able to build these amazing
00:42:48
stone structures like the pyramids, the ziggurats and
00:42:53
Babylon, the structures we see in the North America and South
00:42:58
America. Bottom line, this speculation
00:43:02
that's being fostered in the 20th and 21st century that these
00:43:07
ancient peoples must have gotten their technology.
00:43:11
From aliens have visited our planet, there is no truth to
00:43:15
that at all. So that's what the Ananoki is,
00:43:18
right? The Ananoki are supposedly gods
00:43:21
that came down, gave ancient technology.
00:43:23
They left and they're on their way back.
00:43:26
That that's that's the story. And both Christian authors and
00:43:30
non Christian authors have written books that have sold in
00:43:34
the millions. Promoting this idea now why
00:43:37
Christian authors so? Are they an anarchy?
00:43:39
It seems like there's some mention of a group of people in
00:43:42
the Old Testament that have similar name.
00:43:48
Are they? Are they associating them with
00:43:50
this, this group of people? Well, what you see in some of
00:43:53
the apocryphal Old Testament books is references to the
00:43:57
Watchers, which are supposedly like the Book of Enoch.
00:44:01
You like the Book of Eno? Exactly.
00:44:04
And you do see in the Bible that the sons of God came and then
00:44:08
intercourse with the daughters of men.
00:44:11
And this is the Rafaeem or the Nephilim.
00:44:15
You know, examples would be like a Goliath that was killed by
00:44:19
David. And so they're saying, well,
00:44:23
maybe these sons of God were aliens coming to us in these
00:44:28
spaceships from other planetary systems.
00:44:32
And that explains what we see in the book of meaning what we see
00:44:36
in Genesis chapter 6 verses 2:00 and 4:00.
00:44:41
But what I put in this book coming out later this year, is
00:44:45
that as we understand the technology and the motivation I
00:44:50
mean, often too we get modern day Bible scholars saying that
00:44:55
the ancients didn't have a scientific motivation or they
00:44:59
weren't spiritually motivated. The truth is, they were just as
00:45:03
intelligent as us. They were just as motivated to
00:45:07
learn. They were technologically quite
00:45:10
sophisticated, especially when we take into account they were
00:45:14
dealing with much more severe climate instability than what we
00:45:19
have. I mean, for the past thousand
00:45:22
years, humanity has had the global mean temperature stable
00:45:27
to better than ±.06 degrees centigrade.
00:45:32
That is a big reason explaining the huge advance in our
00:45:36
technology over the past thousand years.
00:45:39
And so if you go back 8910 thousand years, you're dealing
00:45:43
with a situation where the climate isn't as stable as it is
00:45:47
today. Nevertheless, it's amazing in
00:45:50
spite of that climate instability, what the ancients
00:45:54
were able to achieve. And so I think we have to stop
00:45:57
looking down on them. They were just as motivated to
00:46:03
learn about science as we were. I mean, it bothers me that 21st
00:46:08
century theologians are saying the people of Moses generation
00:46:13
didn't care 2 bits about astronomy, science or cosmology.
00:46:17
And there's plenty of documented material in the ancient
00:46:21
historical record saying they were incredibly advanced.
00:46:26
So advanced, in fact, that we asked for physicists.
00:46:30
Actually dig in to the ancient Egyptian astronomical records to
00:46:35
actually build superior models of the interiors of variable
00:46:39
stars. Because we're looking at data
00:46:43
that they recorded about stars 3004 thousand 5000 years ago.
00:46:49
We can compare that with the measurements we're making today
00:46:53
and say, hey, over the past 4000 years the star changed this way.
00:46:59
And what's amazing is without telescopes, the Egyptians are
00:47:02
able to record the periodicity of variable stars to five places
00:47:08
of the decimal. Very high precision work, an
00:47:11
amazing achievement when you think they didn't have
00:47:14
telescopes, but they had these stone observatories.
00:47:17
And over 100 years they can make measurements accurate to five
00:47:22
places of the decimal. We compare their measurements
00:47:25
for the measurements we made today.
00:47:28
And actually enables us to learn a whole lot more about the
00:47:32
interior physics of stars than we could have if we didn't have
00:47:36
those ancient astronomical records.
00:47:39
We know 2000 years ago an unknown number of them across
00:47:43
the world were able to determine a location at a time a Christ
00:47:47
was to be born. You get the stars.
00:47:52
Referring to what you see in Daniel Chapter 9.
00:47:57
And what's interesting about that Daniel, his prophecy is the
00:48:01
only book in the Bible that predicts the timing of the
00:48:05
coming of the Messiah. Not precisely, but to within
00:48:09
plus or minus a few years. And so I've written a couple of
00:48:13
articles on the Christmas star, basically saying the Magi, the
00:48:18
wise men. They would have been familiar
00:48:21
with the prophecy of Daniel because Daniel is the greatest
00:48:25
of the wise men. And so they would have been
00:48:28
looking for some sign that this was the time.
00:48:32
And so they saw the star, a new star.
00:48:35
And what you see in the ancient historical records, these
00:48:39
ancient astronomers kept records of guest stars.
00:48:43
Now, a guest star we would refer to today as a Nova.
00:48:47
It's a star that's not visible to the naked eye, but as it
00:48:51
accumulates matter from a partner star.
00:48:55
It undergoes a huge explosion where for a few months it
00:49:00
becomes visible in the night sky, and then it fades away and
00:49:03
becomes invisible. And there's a tiny subcategory
00:49:07
of these Novi that recur. And so I believe the Magi saw a
00:49:13
recurring Nova, because the book of Matthew tells us the star
00:49:18
appeared in the east. It disappeared and while they're
00:49:23
on their way to Bethlehem. The star appeared to them again
00:49:27
and probably about a year and a half difference between the two
00:49:31
sightings. Because what it tells us is that
00:49:34
King Herod very carefully question the Magi about the time
00:49:40
when they saw the first appearance, and on that basis he
00:49:44
killed all the first born boys in Bethlehem.
00:49:49
They're under the age of 2, so I think there's probably about a
00:49:53
year and a half. Between the two sightings,
00:49:56
right. All right.
00:49:58
I want to thank you once again for the people listening.
00:50:01
If you have questions of which everyone does anything really in
00:50:08
scripture, especially when it comes to astrophysics, things,
00:50:12
space-time, how it relates to the Bible, whether it's
00:50:16
dinosaurs in the Bible or, you know, how did God come to be if
00:50:22
he was never created and all these kind of things everyone
00:50:25
thinks about, Go to reasons.org and just look around.
00:50:31
Search between Doctor Ross's materials, podcasts, there's so
00:50:34
many books and blogs, you're going to find everything you're
00:50:38
looking for. And I believe they're pretty
00:50:40
active, on social media at least, trying to answer
00:50:42
questions. As well, that's true.
00:50:44
I mean I have a Twitter account and a Facebook account where I
00:50:48
do take questions and you know, I some days I get 301 day.
00:50:54
I don't promise to answer all the questions, but I try to
00:50:56
answer the most. They end up being pretty
00:50:58
similar, though like a clump of the same questions.
00:51:01
They do. And I've got a.
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You know, I get through those questions pretty quickly because
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there's a question I've answered before.
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I just give them a URL. Go here and there's your answer.
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But in ourreasons.org website, you'll literally find 10s of
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thousands of articles. There's even a thing that I
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write called. Questions from social media or
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you'll see my written responses to the most common questions.
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All right. Perfect.
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All right. Thank you.
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I always appreciate it. Thanks for coming on.
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Oh. You're my pleasure.
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Gavin among the outlaws,