Pt 2: Brian Zimmer + A Resurrection Story

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We're our hope is to inspire everyday faith conversations.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jess and I'm Abby. Welcome back to Part 2 of our conversation with Brian Zimmer.

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: As always, if you haven't heard part one, you'll actually need to start there to get to know Brian

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and how he came to know the Lord in such a real way. In this episode, Brian shares the moving story

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of his daughter and how he and his wife Hillary found healing and hope in the midst of such difficult circumstances.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to discuss the power of prayer, the belief in miracles, and what it means to suffer well while finding joy.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Brian's journey is a testament to focusing on God,

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: seizing opportunities to share his love and living by the mantra more of him less of me.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we continue this inspiring conversation about faith, resilience, and the transformative power of God's presence in our lives.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump in.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Brian, we left our listeners about the whole bloodfinger. We are so looking for to hearing

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_03]: how God worked in the situation with your daughter. Tell us about him.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll go back. So we have three kids, Eli, Avi and Seila.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And when we had Avi or Hillary delivered, Avi, she had a big complication. We were in the hospital.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary delivered and fine but then she started hemorrhaging. I was singing there.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's Avi and my arms. Here comes doctors rushing in.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Blow over floor like, hey, we got go, Hillary's not doing well.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's gone for next 24 hours, right? And we were told with, I don't understand, hey, maybe you guys may be wound up.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, have kids because we can't promise you it's going to go well.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's third pregnancy if you guys choose to become pregnant again.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So I will see a work here, which we put much attention to.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We just were kind of aware.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And we felt the Lord, we became pregnant. Our third child. We felt the Lord saying,

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to redeem all that was lost.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, I'm just going to be a great process.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to go well.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We chose to do a home birth, which is amazing.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The process was so amazing.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: As nothing to do with happiness, say love.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But what happened was everything was tracking to the day of we were doing great.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary was like, it's not a podcast.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll assemble like, I'm a miraculous birth or something like that.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: How you can ask? I'm redeem the curse.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That was in the garden.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I want her to share that sometime.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole day was amazing. She starts laboring and we're like, oh, this is so cool.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: A plan of music.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And men, wives are working.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, hey, let's check the heartbeat one more time.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We know just been the last second check. And because Hillary was a great deliver.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, they check.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And they pause. Okay, let's check some more spots.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They check.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't hear much.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of have a look up. We got to keep this cool.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Brian, Hillary obviously watching.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But Hillary, you know, wasn't paying attention because she's also in some pain.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, contractions.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. And I remember that, okay, we should probably,

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe move to the hospital.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of, those are part plan B.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And okay, no problem.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's check it again.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, they checked with me.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we need to call the EMT now.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not hearing anything.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, okay, like, shock, okay, like we got this.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then calling.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And within two minutes, they're like, Hillary, like,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you got to live it now.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And my God's grace, say, I came out.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And she came out the EMT.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You're rushed in and pushed me aside.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, our daughter was still born.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so she was lifeless.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They say for eight minutes at that time frame.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And the EMT are doing their chest compressions,

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and she is just lifeless.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary's over here.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of all of it.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, hemorrhaging.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So God redeemed that, praise the Lord.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the middle life saying, Brian,

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to speak your daughter's name.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, so I woke up from a shock.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I started speaking.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And tongues I said, say, look, say, look,

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I started speaking her name.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's her speaking tones.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, we got a goal.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They put it on this little stretcher.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And they wheeled her out.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was still lifeless.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, uh, boxing the deacons and everyone said,

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, I need a miracle.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I just never made my full recording.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, miracle.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: My say a lot, she's not living.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: She's dead.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to hospital.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: My prayer warriors everything.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Please, I'm just like freaking out.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember they were doing chest compressions.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And the ambulance, this is like, I got hurt.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They say, hey, it could be a false one.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So don't have too much hope and we're speeding down.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they're having W. We get to the hospital.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And why I get in the back.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They're 40 plus doctors there.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, all hands undec.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: EMT is like, hey, we're here for you.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There's trauma doctors.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: All these people aren't just doing everything they can.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I say, she going to make it.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And at this point, Hillary still by the way back at the house.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I said, I believe right.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, ambulance part two was going to come for her.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And they say, hey, I'll be honest with you.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She might not make it through tonight.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a sickest baby in the hospital right now.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying to like, look at us, but they're just telling us where we're at.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, we're everything we can.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But you might want to start calling your family.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, for to say goodbye.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just realized like, Lord, you promised that she wasn't going to die.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You said you're going to redeem it.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not a liar.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And blocking my best friend memories all these things, right?

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, um, as they were like, we got moved over to the Dickey,

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Intensive Care.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And they gave us our own room and we're up there and I'll say I'm calling people.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They're asking what's going on.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no words right?

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And they start saying, hey, um, she's in a fight for your life.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and Hillary shows up and we're kind of going through the.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The explanation and they said she has a lot going on.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's not healthy and they go to the last ditch efforts.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we spent a week in one hospital.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But while we were there, um, the Lord started just showing us where redemption looked like.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, our friends was a physical therapist there.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So she sat with us and their rounds kind of explained the doctors terms making it easy for us.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we are our friends who just showed up and started loving on us.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And remember, every time we pray, our daughter was getting sicker and sicker.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the thing they said is if she does live, she's going to have brain damage because I was with

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: oxygen for a man as bad but eight men.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they had like cool her bike as she was so swollen and somewhat blood all over.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The lungs are horrible.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So now a lot of hope.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But before all this, um, we did come a soul care for our pregnancy with.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we started getting his words of knowledge as I thought he was probably sharing that

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: when she introduced and it's all these promises of God.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All these words, he's spoken over Salah.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and as we're holy onto that, they said is what's a week there.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They said, hey, we got transfer your daughter right now.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't do anything of this hospital.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We try our best but if we don't transfer her now, we first sure have no shot.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said in this transfer is very dangerous, right?

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause the one thing they're also looking for is seizure and because no are brain damage.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And remember, um, Hillary was just in her room because she just couldn't take it and she's getting

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: stuck packed up.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like what's going on.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And Hillary coming back and she looked at me and she said, um,

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I got, I got to ask you something. And I said, okay, what's that?

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, I'm your manager, share that me, share that me and Ben to go and what they had to do

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: when when never can I just say, hey, I'm a kill you if you don't bow to me.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They said whether we live or die, we will not bow.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We will serve the Lord and Hillary said to me, right?

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's time for you, surrender.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, why have been sereness whole time, right?

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we have our two kids, we haven't seen you all this big a week.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was hard too because they were, hey, what's going on?

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: When I saw my son was older, she didn't understand that. Hey, this is not normal.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Who is there going to be home?

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I said, Lord, um, I love I can pray as prayer by my doing.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I am praying it and just feel as peace and just assurance that it was going to be okay, right?

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And they transferred her to a new hospital and we get there.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I live before trauma and they say once again, she's a sickest baby.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do our best but this whole time.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm to the point where I came and go into the room because of a bells and whistles

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: causing me to have anxiety.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And feeling like I'm blowing my little girl down, right?

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to be the father and the director.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm adopted.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought of like, oh, rejection is coming back in, right?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want to be that father because my birthday was in there.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And so always lies.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, is that about me?

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not both that.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about my daughter.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And the meantime, through all this, the more kind of gave him the word of,

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not the only one here who's hurting right now.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Hillary was encouraging me as sure the gospel, right?

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, I'm going to talk people who are hurting because some people want to

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: want to wish their kids don't make it.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They won't see their babies again because they weren't believers.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're in this hospital and they're going through this process.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a hey luck.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's not getting better.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We tried as a procedure called ECMO.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And essentially to bypass the heart and lungs, it's the last ditch effort to make sure

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: we give her a fighting chance.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But a few nights before that, Hillary had a dream of a kangaroo and

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: a kangaroo, a kangaroo, probably like it was at me.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And essentially, when the baby that pulled the dog, the kid comes all the kangaroo mother,

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it was sick.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But when she put the baby back in, the kid in her stomach, the baby was healthy.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This is her dream of so weird.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're comfortable with saying here, here's what we're going to do as

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: ECMO.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And when our friends have a friend who helped create this ECMO, like,

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we called it twice.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And essentially, it told this mother who told us,

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially, you're taking the sick baby and pulling it back in the womb to give a fighting chance.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, Lord, you're going to do something.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And we started our papers.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, hey, here's all things that could go wrong.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like 10 documents.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my goodness.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, this could be five weeks or more.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This is no pre-intensive procedure.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If we nick it, this could happen.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That could happen.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, expect five six weeks.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And we always said, Lord, what do you say about this?

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're the ultimate physician.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You get found and say, and she was only on this ECMO for five days.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They said that was a miracle in itself.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But every day when you went to head your rounds,

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: they would tell you what they're going to do.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What's not going to work, what's getting worse.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, this whole time is she has brain damage.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We know because no one can not have brain damage after her all this.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I took the Laura say it once again, but I get final state.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Hillary's with say lie her room and this operation room.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going in with the doctors and they're all looking at me like,

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like, I'm some crazy man.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And the top nephew doctor, one of the top ones in the Midwest says,

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what? Brian, all my years.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I've not used this term out plan using this term.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But your daughter is a miracle.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She has no brain, more brain bleeds, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And the lawings like, you can't even make this up.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And remember saying back and saying yes.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And because he gets final saying, he's can't have kids in the lower of the lords.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was never when the doctors were wrong.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They just were saying what they see.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's always what it's he's seen, right?

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And so our daughter spent 40 days total in the hospital.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, oh, Jesus, the desert.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And while we were there, we saw angels ministering.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: People would say, hey, we're walking through.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We thought peace and we didn't feel peace.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We had one of our best friends was actually our nurse, some of those nights.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little larkly.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: His ministry angels in the physical in that place.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot in between, but the thing is,

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: every word I'm now, what she gave us before this, he actually redeemed.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And while I look back at, she's a scar here in the scar here.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I look at once and a while.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like she's fully healthy.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We're supposed to be in all these different kind of developmental classes,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: trauma classes, and they can't say what we're doing with this class.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: She's passed.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: She passed all these tests and they said, we can't make us up.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Even today, I had to do it to my old school who's parents were at

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus' nurses with us.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: They say, we start talking about, we have no idea because our medicine

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: can only go so far and your diary be it all.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, I've had so many times to be a stress story in some details.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Some more.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember going back and part of the process was, I got pay time off, right?

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I was trauma, we got a heal.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And my old school asked, hey, would you speak at a chapel or my God, boy, I'll be able to do that

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because no, I'm just hurting.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm scared, I'm tired.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember going and sharing and the Holy Spirit just moved.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, Holy Spirit, you have moved to the green that we surround there.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I realized in surrenders is a heart posture, right?

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And I started sharing what was, well, the Lord had done and what Hallsela is.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And the Lord just moved and kids were weeping and crying.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about this motion, right?

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But the Holy Spirit was allowed.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember I went home and people said, hey, kids are becoming believers.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, well, what was interesting was when they heard all of my daughter and

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: his son of the pictures, they knew that she had no flaw in her, then they knew that

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: was Jesus.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's just like, wow.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the Lord cause of suffocacy, you want us to suffer.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Lord, the Lord kills, comes a kill, still he's strut.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The Lord comes that we have life and it's just like, but she gets found and say,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in that process, I saw so many powerful moments where it's like, I can't do this,

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but he can.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't cry anymore, but she cried tears with me, right?

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I found myself in the most humbling way as a father,

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do anything to save my daughter.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do anything to give my other kids healthy.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: All I could do is save Lord, you have to be the father that you say you are.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm realizing it sometimes is it's not that you have to get to this place

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: to despair, but like when you go there, everything that you've learned,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the faith that you've gone through the stories, it actually means something

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: when you're actually sharing it, right?

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I have shared a story, like I said, different lengths,

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like it says not much story.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Salem actually means rest, pausing and reflect.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And we pause often, we reflect often.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And what's been really powerful is people and down south in our parts of the state

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: have heard this story.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, because when you actually allowed to be a God story,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he multiplies it.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: If I actually force it because part of the human and he's a killer,

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell I want the impact, I want to go church, right?

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And like no, actually, I want you to open doors as you see fit.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And that has allowed me to realize, oh, now it's his story because now I'm not deep

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: down trying to feel a void that's been empty for my followers younger.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually, I'm allowing the Lord to multiply his glory.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have seen kids become too a Lord because when I saw Salem at the flesh,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: they even know I was hurt because she seemed healthy and so it's just like,

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: is that her, like, that's Salem.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Even now I see her run and laugh.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like everything they said she couldn't do she's doing, even as fast as they

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: five.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's, it take me to the toll.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not going to say all that's easy.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Or we were, we're strong.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually, if I sit in, it's hard.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard because she was suffering and she was hurting.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We were hurting.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then my mom told me recently, no, it's interesting.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: For eight minutes, I'm,

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Salem actually was with Jesus worshiping.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And when I think about that, she actually loves music.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll play a song and she'll start jumping in dancing.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do believe in those eight minutes, she was with the whole spirit and the

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Trinity up there worshiping the Kim, Kim's in Lord, Lord's.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that's Martha, she's a family.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's too now, right?

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's almost too.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we, we celebrate often and we also realize,

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: lot of people up there don't have hope.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And if I can share parts of that hope with her, I will.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because when I'm going back to one of the stores,

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't share what was, when she was really sick, I said,

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Lord, like, what, like, I need help.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I call him my prayer, my mentor, they want to talk more earlier.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So Gals, prayer, the guy that got me actually delivered me with me,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: imagine that he is praying.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He went to the third heaven saying, yeah,

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here a question yet, make okay.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And he went there and let's ask.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, actually, Brian, what I saw was,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: there is a, there is rejection that I just feel back in my Bethlehem years.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I knew it because I felt the release,

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but there's also levels of spiritual warfare

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and the Prince of rejection has been after your family,

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: even before you're born, I always say,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like, I said, well, okay, I said,

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: well, okay, break, he's like, I can,

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but you have to believe it.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I still, Lord, the Prince rejection,

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever, you will not have my daughter.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember him praying, he's like,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: well, I know something changed, I'm like, oh, okay,

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I feel like he's not mobile feeling.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because the next day,

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: we started seeing actually more progressions.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like, well, so you're telling me

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: because you have rejection, she was like, no,

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I just realized that devil would take anything,

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: open door, ain't you know, where else you'll go after?

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I broke it and closed it,

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just interesting, she, she,

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm certainly coming back here.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I told people, everyone was praying,

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I do believe it was actually a wall right there.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The moment was broken, the purse, the Saints went after it went through.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I know it can kind of muddy,

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like, I don't care because I saw

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the actual manifestation of God's glory after that.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's amazing how things that we don't take care of

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: or things that are not aware of, the Lord will bring up

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: because you want to set free and we seem free and

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: man's home because of that.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, well,

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, it's been, it's been great.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been all year to have a story,

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and celebration, and testimony.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No kidding.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you say that you guys ended up kind of sharing your faith

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and talking about Jesus when you were in the hospital

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: for those few days?

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any of those stories come to mind?

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say it's probably more theory.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out with share.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I was more just, you know, with her or talking to my

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: family and my friends,

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but I will say the,

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: some of the students had mom and dad

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to remind nurses in Vorsaila that they

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: share their peace there.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it feels different.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I would say my sharing was probably more

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: in the Voxer to the Deekins and Friends,

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: as far as,

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: no, what we're in the grind,

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's still keen.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Hurs, I would say, was with more of mothers

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: who were shielding that wound

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and seeing like the sickness.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So she was going after in the physical of there.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my was more who the ones and text or who

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_01]: weren't, he's the encouragement, right?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, we're hanging on to a friend

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because I go on to again,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: no one which followed us for being folks on sale.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We were,

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but one of the verses a Lord gave my friend and

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: pray for me was Roman 1620.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: when they got a piece,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: soon crushed,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: sit and head under your feet.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a grace to be upon you.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And when I felt scared,

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we go back to praying,

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: worshiping God right?

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's so easy to be focused on like,

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but Lord,

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: she's suffering.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He knew that.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But when I prays them even when I'm in my

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: despair and so when I was feeling peace,

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I would prays them.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I was feeling off Roman 1620.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just kind of constant,

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be in my day right?

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Hands on the wall,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: but also look behind you and have a story,

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Be aware of both fronts.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't glorifying that the devil,

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was aware of his schemes,

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but I was also a Lord,

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you're doing something.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was crazy to see all what transpired.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the coolest moments was when the

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: midwives came back to our house.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to see a lot.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was real for because,

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we really talked about that because we

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: were our own little world,

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but they came back to be held there.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I reminded of,

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: when Moses,

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, stories most,

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in-wise with the whole those little boys,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And like they're just like that power of just like a mother,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: just holding something at your part of,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was fun or even like when I said,

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm at school or even when I'm in the park,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And even that guy,

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple days ago,

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: sharing about my daughter's sale,

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: all right? Just giving some tidbits of hope.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But I will tell people too.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we got our miracle,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: praise the Lord,

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: but we actually believe for the miracle before we got the miracle, right?

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like,

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, everything's great, story answer.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we actually had to start worshiping him,

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: we wanted to before we got the actual miracle.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I realize I want to be a result-based kind of prayer.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to believe what I should do,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: declaring,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's what we saw too.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And everything I've been realizing through that,

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: when someone speaks death over you,

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: whether you make it through your words or your mind,

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you make agreements, right?

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm realizing as homie of us who had things spoken over us.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually, we actually believe that's true,

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: when it's actually not his voice, right?

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And so through that I've seen more of just like,

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: people have gotten bad, dark reports.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't say, hey,

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: sale went through this,

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I asked him, like, hey,

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to agree with that.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask the Lord for what word he has for you.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't want to promise he was going to look like this,

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but I want to promise you he's going to speak to you.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I've learned to is,

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: declaring what it's true,

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: even when I don't see it.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is Hebrew's in a nutshell.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: What a good lesson to learn and to get that pass on.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Goodness, right?

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for sharing this story.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's so incredible.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like I might have to go back and listen.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: My face is like one-year-old time.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to pick out more nuggets of,

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, I mean,

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: how God was so faithful and the ways that he showed up

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and the opportunities,

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: wow, that gives you to speak to other people's lives.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of it.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know a lot of stories,

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: but I've never heard of a baby being born without a heartbeat,

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: still born and thriving at two.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That that is amazing.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And we go to the same church Brian and I,

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and I remember getting those messages as a decant

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and just like partnering with your family.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's so sweet to get to hear your side of the story too.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you guys are good.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it gets just something really good to interesting too.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: For having them on those powerful moments,

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: there's still a lot of doubt that creeps in a lot of everyday's, right?

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing how you can have the,

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: well, it's a cool story and I also,

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: hey Lord, it's a little simple.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling insecure in this area.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And how it's like, I went from Lord, you are as you

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: center angels and you heal her.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I can't believe for the little things, right?

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a small injury.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's amazing how I do our same,

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I could have hard time with faith too, right?

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you hear these cool stories.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like when he's a little thin's happened,

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: there's silence.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually realizing it's,

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but how is he want to go about that?

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's how I want to look as totally different.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's been hard since then too.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for being real about that,

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think a lot of us, we all think that.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We have all been in that spot.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you said one of the biggest ways

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that you were able to kind of speak life to other people

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: was through some of the parents.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: They were parents of students who were also working

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in the hospital, right?

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, have you also been able to share that story

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: or not the story, but I guess,

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: encouragement through what you learned from that experience

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: with other colleagues or students in the work that you do?

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was even recently,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I ran as someone who's going through a lot of back pain

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and just realizing like I said when the doctor spoke

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: this over St. La, why it can do to your soul and your body, right?

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So even just like I ran blessing her and just cancel the lies

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that you literally believe or not just doing those courses over her

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: or even doing something that's schooling.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing when people are hurrying

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can give them a little bit of hope through a story.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, just the opportunities it opens.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like I got a better story.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my access.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually like what I learned was

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: how do you celebrate in the midst of a storm?

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do when you feel so off control?

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, nothing else.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We had to see our kids, my other two oldest ones

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: for three weeks during this whole process.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And how do you like make up for times that you are lost?

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think, parmya is like,

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had realized that the whole spirit

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to actually do that, right?

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm realizing to how do I celebrate others as well

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because once again, I can become so me focused, right?

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I started to say, and so for me,

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I say, no what?

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wasn't a hospital.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I learned that you can actually minister

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: while you're still hurting or broken.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think for me, it's actually what I've learned

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: was to just call you stuff real well.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so many times.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So if we get James where it says,

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: can Sarah, pure joy of main trials,

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: why I write a thousand times, but as my wife,

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but how do you actually have joy?

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't mean, hey Lord, just give me more,

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's actually, why are you teaching me?

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if I actually get why I want right away,

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I might just go back to the Cynthia Cause,

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever, and so for me, I realize this,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: can I actually celebrate him in the midst of a trial?

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it actually Lord, just give me why I want,

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so I can move on.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I realize too, I can be guilty of hey guy,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: need you to come up with shelf.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh hey, thank you, you go back now.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I learned that and I also learned to,

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: say, I'm Bill was not cheap, right?

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I realized how he's actually

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the Kim, Kim Lord, Lord's and he owns a thousand

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: cattle on a hill and watching the finances come through

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of phone calls, but just how he just orchestrated everything

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and everything so divine, I couldn't make it up.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause actually, I'm interested in fame.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I had some church, church back home where I'm like,

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't like going more than half to anybody,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: go because I love to pull my life.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And while we were there, they actually wrote a check

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and was not able to money, but it came from the least,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, the principle is I wasn't thinking,

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really connected, it came from them, right?

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's amazing how like when you're hurting,

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the Lord actually brings just kind of humor,

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: humorous moments where it's like,

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: all the things, it was always where I don't want to go back,

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: actually I spoke cursing over his plays

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and here they are doing this, right?

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Or even someone that had some hurt,

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: we hurt towards our friendship and I also have three years

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: of her, my story and say, hey, I'm praying for you.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm realizing he's so much better than

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: than when I can imagine a boy is, right?

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's always just trying to kind of stray out

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: how moment.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is little things.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I'm learning is am I actually open,

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: am I actually looking for those aha moments?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Or am I like, come, am I even like,

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: am I going to go away because it's just like he wants to show off, right?

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a good father and I think why I'm realizing this,

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: my whole life, it's like,

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually have a dollar that he's a good father.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because like how's a good father allow X, Y and Z

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's just like, but he's still in that story, right?

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've actually had to help people

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: myself walk through the lies of the amyus put,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: associated with my father here versus who he actually is.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's been really healing for me to his lot of

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: protocols all there who want to come home and realize

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of my life, I've been a product,

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: who wanted to be loved.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I was going through this,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Lord, you actually love me.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And now because I'm game everything,

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I want it, it's just like you've never lost sight

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I look at my life and all the things he's done

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the hospital is now it's just like, how did he do that?

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: How did you know that that person was going to reach

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: all of that right time?

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: How did you bring the 101 to me where I could share

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a sales story?

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: How did you give me, how are your dreams, right?

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And everything that she dreamt,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: can it feel for us and right?

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the cool crazy stories was

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: we got the words one different,

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Ralph Rose of Sharon was a word, right?

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And what we were in the hospital,

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: one of our small groups had no idea where prayer or

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: list was, and we got this,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a half-foot, the Lord has a word,

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Rose of Sharon for, for Salah.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, oh my goodness,

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that's actually him there.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think in everything I learned to

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: is it might be crazy to us,

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it's actually normal to him.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: If he gives you a word,

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not like, oh, this is scary or

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: this isn't our hurt someone.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It actually is pretty simple.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's everyone's in two through this.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He makes things simple.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, while he want to make it complex,

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I make it complex, I don't want to do it.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm scared.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to lie,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I could talk all day,

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: why I'm here?

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been good.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think it's so important

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: to hear you saying that too as people

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that are trying to share our faith

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and make that a part of our just everyday life.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And to hear you say,

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: hey, suffer well in the middle

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that I didn't have to get to the end

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: to share about what God is doing even this storm.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so real,

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: because I think sometimes I think

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to figure it out first

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: or I need to be like through this season

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: or see what God did when I was hurting back then.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, oh,

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I can be hurting now and suffer really well

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and still have the opportunity

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: to share about him and his goodness

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: in the middle of that.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good word.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I guess I say,

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and I got to pause and do that, right?

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think to shame can creep in, right?

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: There's always time for me to do that.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I should have missed or should have that.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, if he's a good father,

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: he's going to bring someone else to do that.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, our chance was it look like,

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's amazing just to lies the enemy, right?

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And everyday life.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And you think sometimes it's like,

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: all about you or you're so bad doing this

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's just like,

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he's so patient kind.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think two live learners,

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: power does,

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: prayers are prayer does change things, right?

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know once again,

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: we can think, oh, okay,

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: make it the healing then

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: or if I get this job, yep.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true, but actually just like,

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Lord, my prayed, do I believe that you actually are

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: sending angels, do I actually believe my words

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: are going to fourth and I actually believe

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so many times where that close is seen

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the breakthrough, right?

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you get tired or you like,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get from prayer.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I've learned is when you actually

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: get up in those moments,

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: he's there and he's right setting something, right?

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I learned to be persistent in my prayer

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: like, and I even just having always like,

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: always be here moments,

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: it's actually just say,

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Lord, you are good or,

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, Lord,

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this is why I need what do you think,

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually be okay to ask that question.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's been a process.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I am no expert in prayer or healing.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably more expert in brokenness

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it feels like sometimes,

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do know is,

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: when vulnerable,

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that's when he moves.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because now actually saying,

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do this right now,

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like I just have no idea.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean,

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: well,

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I have no doubt,

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_03]: gosh,

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that your story alone and just hearing the way

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that you've been willing to use the story that

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: God's given you and step into those opportunities

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: to see people where they are at and what

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: they are going through and saying,

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Lord,

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: do you,

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: is there anything that I have to share with them?

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything that you have to share with them?

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay,

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: this little nugget of what I've seen.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so good that,

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: God's so good that he gives us those moments,

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: those opportunities,

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: those little memories of things

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that really can be encouraging to others.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've known out that

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that's going to inspire

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_03]: so many more people than just Abbie and myself.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's too, yeah.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like you probably have

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: 30 more stories if we spend another hour

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: we could.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, probably you.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to have you back for sure

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: for part three and four.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, yeah.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: With Hillary too, yeah.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So fun.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, was there?

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was,

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like literally so good.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So many lessons that you learned that I think are

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be applicable for everyone,

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: even when we haven't gone through something like you

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: have, but it's like, man,

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone has something hard.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, yeah, I get it.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's beautiful.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Was there anything else that you wanted to share

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: before we wrap things up?

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think I just go back to

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone wants to be seen in reality as like,

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it gets or swearing or adults are doing this

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it's because you probably feel off control

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: or not being seen and I'm realizing just

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: smiling at someone and just say,

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, how's it going?

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Can change someone's life.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think two, that's what I'm realizing.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you only get one shot sometimes to actually

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: showcase Jesus.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can do a lot of other stuff,

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but like people are honestly are just hungry

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: for someone to care about them.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, when, um,

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: if you, when you are hurting all your

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: hopeless, Lord, do you see me or is this someone

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: see me?

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just place, um, there are so many opportunities

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that we so simple to bless someone.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I will say, we try to do two

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like we have male man and kids

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: want to make a care package, right?

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And he wrote my little liar and gave him some stuff

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and he actually wrote one back and

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and we actually knew his name when he saw him.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He, he would wave it just as he's little

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: things of if we actually take a time to say,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, when that person next person comes to

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: red door like I said or someone that church

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: is someone in the hallway who looks like

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: sad or whatever, you could actually just

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: change that person's life just by saying

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: how's it going and high?

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as so simple, let's try to learn

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: two is just am I willing to be in

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: convenience to make sure someone knows they have a

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: purpose today.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: In the first episode, you shared how

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: someone, uh, oh, the guy who is cleaning your

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: carpets acknowledge that like you were a

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: person of peace and he felt that.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, even in the hallway, you know,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: or on the basketball court, it's like

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you carry that everywhere you go and

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a glimpse of heaven.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a glimpse of such a good

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: father.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So one of the things as you were

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: saying that that came to my mind,

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: um, a concept that has kind of been

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: on our minds and our family lately is

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_03]: this idea that you see what you focus on.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And if I go through my day,

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: worried about myself and what

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: people think of me or if I'm going

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to win in whatever situation,

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that's all I'm going to see.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But if I go into the day,

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: focus on like who got his putting in

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: front of me and what the

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: wants for my day, I will see

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: what I focus on.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will see those people,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: those opportunities rather than just

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: being so, uh, myopic,

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_03]: so self absorbed and and this

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: missed that person who needs

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Jesus.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely right.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's not crazy and like

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you only know what you're doing

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes too.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what you're saying

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: too is it doesn't have

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: me some big huge prayer

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: or even just a huge like

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I do all these things just like

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you said it's um,

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, that's nothing to

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: realize.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the words that give

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: seems so crazy.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's crazy.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: A little Lord's like,

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm scared.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use that right?

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And so for me,

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying not overthink things

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: otherwise I get hooked.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right now,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you're off day, um,

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: which does happen quite often.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like a police stressful.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing how like he knows

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: how to just bring a hope

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: through people and so I think for me

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, it just simple as that

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: where there's many days

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like getting a word.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't always get a word.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I say, I was going,

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but I said if I asked just for

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, I pray for you,

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it can be just simple.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's all I have to do.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't have to be

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: some huge Christian thing.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It could just be,

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: how's it going?

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You're, hey, this.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you're right.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just more of him lessen me.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and people feel that.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They feel a love.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They feel the care.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They feel that authenticity.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's nothing,

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: there's nothing more beautiful than that

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: because when we love the Lord,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you use the one that's shining through

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: in those moments.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: More of him lessen me.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So good.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it this week.

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