Jeff Zaugg and Ben Cooley are back for part two of our Father's Day conversation, and this one goes to places we didn't expect.
Both men get honest about the stories they carry — the moments of failure, the coping mechanisms built around pain, and what it actually looks like to let God do surgery on the parts of you that are still fathering from a place of woundedness. We also spend time on the dad who's thinking about giving up. Not in a surface-level, pull-yourself-together kind of way — but with the kind of honesty that only comes from men who have actually been there. Their answers are worth the whole conversation.
And they close with a round of practical encouragement that is equal parts funny and genuinely life-giving — the kind that reminds you what this role actually is and why it matters more than you probably give yourself credit for today.
You are loved. You are a learner. You are a leader. And it's not too late.